---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 08/11/12: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:47 AM - Re: first piet piece done (helspersew@aol.com) 2. 05:00 AM - Re: first piet piece done (Jerry Dotson) 3. 07:10 AM - Re: first piet piece done (Michael Perez) 4. 08:43 AM - Re: first piet piece done (nightmare) 5. 09:11 AM - Re: off, off topic (taildrags) 6. 09:23 AM - Re: first piet piece done (taildrags) 7. 09:41 AM - Re: Re: first piet piece done (Jim Markle) 8. 09:48 AM - Re: Re: first piet piece done (Gary Boothe) 9. 10:08 AM - Re: Re: prop clearence (Ryan M) 10. 10:28 AM - Re: Re: prop clearence (Ben Charvet) 11. 10:29 AM - Re: Re: prop clearence (Gary Boothe) 12. 10:30 AM - Re: Re: first piet piece done (Michael Perez) 13. 10:31 AM - Re: Re: first piet piece done (Michael Perez) 14. 10:36 AM - Re: Re: off, off topic (Dave and Connie) 15. 10:51 AM - Re: Re: off, off topic (Matt Dralle) 16. 02:16 PM - Re: "RE-PIET's" first flight video on You Tube! (Pieti Lowell) 17. 04:00 PM - Blakesburg (JOSEPH SWITHIN) 18. 04:05 PM - Cavalier Project (JOSEPH SWITHIN) 19. 06:55 PM - Re: Re: first piet piece done (Mario Giacummo) 20. 07:45 PM - Re: Re: first piet piece done (Gene Rambo) 21. 08:04 PM - Re: Blakesburg (Gene Rambo) 22. 09:14 PM - "Experimental" Placard (Gary Boothe) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:47:21 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: first piet piece done From: helspersew@aol.com Paul, I read 21 lbs. I thought, man that doug fir is heavy! Congratulations! Keep after it, a little every day. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN do not archive -----Original Message----- From: nightmare Sent: Fri, Aug 10, 2012 6:12 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: first piet piece done om> just wanted to share my first accomplishment. completed the rudder yesterda y (minus hardware, fabric, varnish). was wondering if anyone has taken the ti me to weigh each piece. my rudder weighs 2lbs 6.6 oz and is doug fir. wanted to s ee how that compares. pic also shows my two future student piet pilots. dont w orry, i wont be posting a pic after each piece. Thanks; Paul -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380611#380611 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/photo_1_140.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:00:36 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done From: "Jerry Dotson" Paul I like the family shot. Good looking boys. The dog knows how to pose. Oh and the rudder looks good too. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 First flight June 16,2012 Started building July, 2009 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380641#380641 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:44 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: first piet piece done I am very interested in anyone's progress. You have one piece done and "few " more to go and the plane will be finished!- Nice job. - FYI, my completed rudder,-ready to fly, (varnish, horn, hinges, bolts, nu ts, fabric, paint...)-weighs in at 2.12 lbs. (Including the bag it is sto red in.) Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:43:17 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done From: "nightmare" Michael you know balsa wood is not approved , right? lol -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380657#380657 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:11:45 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: off, off topic From: "taildrags" Mikee: not sure if you were saying that the 'do not archive' flag doesn't work, but if you were- you haven't read this in the FAQs that Matt appends to the list every month: ***************************************** *** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag *** ***************************************** At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the message: do not archive Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List email distribution as normal. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford/Ashland, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380658#380658 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:47 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done From: "taildrags" Hey Jim (Markle)- just curious... I looked in the FARs in the section about markings and it says that the "N" (or "NX", in our case) is to be followed by the registration numbers/letter. I see that the markings on your rudder are "stacked", so to speak, and not continuous. I guess the second part follows the first and meets the letter of the regs but I was wondering if anyone has mentioned that to you, or if you've seen any other tail markings in the fashion that yours are? It also says that they should not have any ornamentation. I'd be careful about that stylized letter "J" that you've got there ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford/Ashland, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380660#380660 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:41:02 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done Oscar! You should know by now that I spend more time researching this stuff than actually BUILDING this stuff!! :-) Maybe that's why this is taking me so long!!! Yes, I've seen it done this way on quite a few. Check out westcoastpiet..... I sure hope it's not a problem for the FAA dude....cause' Julia ain't hand painting those letters again! Well, she probably would if needed. Jim in Pryor....putting the final coat(s) of paint on the horiz stab today....then I'm done with the tail bits!!! -----Original Message----- >From: taildrags >Sent: Aug 11, 2012 11:23 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done > > >Hey Jim (Markle)- just curious... I looked in the FARs in the section about markings and it says that the "N" (or "NX", in our case) is to be followed by the registration numbers/letter. I see that the markings on your rudder are "stacked", so to speak, and not continuous. I guess the second part follows the first and meets the letter of the regs but I was wondering if anyone has mentioned that to you, or if you've seen any other tail markings in the fashion that yours are? > >It also says that they should not have any ornamentation. I'd be careful about that stylized letter "J" that you've got there ;o) > >-------- >Oscar Zuniga >Medford/Ashland, OR >Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" >A75 power > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380660#380660 > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:48:53 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done Mr. Fed had no issue with my "stacked" lettering, which I had copied from others. Interestingly, he chooses to see no value to the 'X' in the N-number. Nor was he put off by the fact that I do not have the wording, "EXPERIMENTAL" plastered on the side of the fuselage. His ONLY concern was that, somewhere in the passenger cockpit, amongst the other words on that placard, that the 'experimental' word was visible. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:23 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done --> < taildrags@hotmail.com> Hey Jim (Markle)- just curious... I looked in the FARs in the section about markings and it says that the "N" (or "NX", in our case) is to be followed by the registration numbers/letter. I see that the markings on your rudder are "stacked", so to speak, and not continuous. I guess the second part follows the first and meets the letter of the regs but I was wondering if anyone has mentioned that to you, or if you've seen any other tail markings in the fashion that yours are? It also says that they should not have any ornamentation. I'd be careful about that stylized letter "J" that you've got there ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford/Ashland, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380660#380660 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:08:57 AM PST US From: Ryan M Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: prop clearence How does engine choice effect prop clearance? I am building an "improved" p iet with "cub style" gear but it's drawn with the Ford engine. Do you gain or loose prop clearance by using a Continental?-=0A=0A=0A(archives search ed)=0A=0AThanks,=0A=0ARyan=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From : dgaldrich =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 6:39 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: prop h@embarqmail.com>=0A=0AJust for reference, FAR Part 23.925 requires a 9 inc h prop clearance for conventional gear aircraft with the aircraft in level flight attitude or takeoff attitude (whichever is most critical) and at max gross weight.- Also says that there must be a positive clearance with th e most critical gear suspension collapsed (i.e. broken bungees) and a flat tire on the same side.=0A=0AI know we don't have to conform to Part 23 but, like AC 43-13, it's a darn good place to find useful information.- Like the guidance from Uncle Tony, ignore it at your peril.=0A=0ADave Aldrich=0A =0Ado not archive=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://fo rums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379527#379527=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_ -======================== =============== ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:28:52 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: prop clearence From: Ben Charvet Fords swing a longer prop slower, Conts somewhere in the middle,Corvair shor ter but spinning faster Sent from my iPhone On Aug 11, 2012, at 1:08 PM, Ryan M wrote: > How does engine choice effect prop clearance? I am building an "improved" p iet with "cub style" gear but it's drawn with the Ford engine. Do you gain o r loose prop clearance by using a Continental? > > (archives searched) > > Thanks, > > Ryan > > From: dgaldrich > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 6:39 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: prop clearence > m> > > Just for reference, FAR Part 23.925 requires a 9 inch prop clearance for c onventional gear aircraft with the aircraft in level flight attitude or take off attitude (whichever is most critical) and at max gross weight. Also say s that there must be a positive clearance with the most critical gear suspen sion collapsed (i.e. broken bungees) and a flat tire on the same side. > > I know we don't have to conform to Part 23 but, like AC 43-13, it's a darn good place to find useful information. Like the guidance from Uncle Tony, i gnore it at your peril. > > Dave Aldrich > > do not archive > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379527#379527http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Pietenp; --> ======== =============== > > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:29:09 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: prop clearence WOW! An "improved" Piet? I am afeared you have released the Cracken. Gary Boothe NX308MB Do not archive From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan M Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 10:09 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: prop clearence How does engine choice effect prop clearance? I am building an "improved" piet with "cub style" gear but it's drawn with the Ford engine. Do you gain or loose prop clearance by using a Continental? (archives searched) Thanks, Ryan _____ From: dgaldrich Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 6:39 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: prop clearence Just for reference, FAR Part 23.925 requires a 9 inch prop clearance for conventional gear aircraft with the aircraft in level flight attitude or takeoff attitude (whichever is most critical) and at max gross weight. Also says that there must be a positive clearance with the most critical gear suspension collapsed (i.e. broken bungees) and a flat tire on the same side. I know we don't have to conform to Part 23 but, like AC 43-13, it's a darn good place to find useful information. Like the guidance from Uncle Tony, ignore it at your peril. Dave Aldrich do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=379527#379527http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenp; --> ======================= ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:30:09 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done Uh Oh, U better go back and rebuild the tail, wings, fusel... Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:31:02 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done (Oooops.) - I meant I better go back and rebuild the tail, wings, fusela... Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:36:20 AM PST US From: Dave and Connie Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: off, off topic Oscar, It looks like Matt needs to update his monthly mailing. I just did a search on the string "do not archive " and got 3445 matches. They are definitely in the archives now. At least some have been archiving at least some since 12/31/2005. I'm not sure when we moved over here from Richard Costa's site but I think it was before then. Maybe it is a case sensitive flag? Dave On 8/11/2012 12:11 PM, taildrags wrote: > > Mikee: not sure if you were saying that the 'do not archive' flag doesn't work, but if you were- you haven't read this in the FAQs that Matt appends to the list every month: > > ***************************************** > *** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag *** > ***************************************** > > At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very > small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive > it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the > message: > > do not archive > > Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List > email distribution as normal. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford/Ashland, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:20 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: off, off topic The "do not archive" flag only applies to the Email archives and has no effect on the Forums interface to the Matronics Lists. Frankly, I think that the "do not archive" is way over used these days. I see people putting it their signatures and even in the Name field of their email client. That was never the intent of the flag. It was originally conceived as a method of reducing the size of the archives when hard drive space was a premium. These days, that's not really an issue. Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Admin At 10:35 AM 8/11/2012 Saturday, you wrote: > >Oscar, > >It looks like Matt needs to update his monthly mailing. I just did a search on the string "do not archive " and got 3445 matches. They are definitely in the archives now. At least some have been archiving at least some since 12/31/2005. I'm not sure when we moved over here from Richard Costa's site but I think it was before then. > >Maybe it is a case sensitive flag? > >Dave > >On 8/11/2012 12:11 PM, taildrags wrote: >> >>Mikee: not sure if you were saying that the 'do not archive' flag doesn't work, but if you were- you haven't read this in the FAQs that Matt appends to the list every month: >> >>***************************************** >> *** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag *** >> ***************************************** >> >> At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very >> small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive >> it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the >> message: >> >> do not archive >> >> Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List >> email distribution as normal. >> >>-------- >>Oscar Zuniga >>Medford/Ashland, OR >>Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" >>A75 power >> > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | 581 Jeannie Way | Livermore | CA | 94550 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:16:33 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "RE-PIET's" first flight video on You Tube! From: "Pieti Lowell" Douwe , congrats on a fine and beautiful Pietenpol . I did notice that the runways did not have drainage ditches on either side of the strip this time. Your engine sounds like an Allison, and the subject of 180 Degree turns on take-off is no stranger to your first, first flight, and at less than 200 feet. Good luck in the near future, and see you at Brodhead after a number of hours under your belt just to give a great guy a lot of confidence. Pieti Lowell Don't archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380683#380683 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:00:10 PM PST US From: JOSEPH SWITHIN Subject: Pietenpol-List: Blakesburg Dick, I will get to Blakesburg on Thursday around noon. I will leave Saturday afternoon. Joe Morris, IL hunting and gathering ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:05:06 PM PST US From: JOSEPH SWITHIN Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cavalier Project A friend of mine has came across a Cavalier Project. If anyone knows of someone who may be interested and knows if a builders group, please let me know. I' am always a day behind with the messages. Joe Swithin Morris, IL Hunting and Gathering ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:55:22 PM PST US From: Mario Giacummo Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done JUA!!!!! Mario Giacummo 2012/8/11 nightmare > pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com> > > Michael you know balsa wood is not approved , right? lol > > -------- > Paul Donahue > Started 8-3-12 > do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380657#380657 > > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done From: Gene Rambo Is the word experimental on the placard? Know it says amateur built... On Aug 11, 2012, at 12:48 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > Mr. Fed had no issue with my =9Cstacked=9D lettering, which I h ad copied from others. Interestingly, he chooses to see no value to the =98X=99 in the N-number. Nor was he put off by the fact that I do not h ave the wording, =9CEXPERIMENTAL=9D plastered on the side of the fuselage. His ONLY concern was that, somewhere in the passenger cockpit, am ongst the other words on that placard, that the =98experimental=99 word was visible. > > > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags > Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:23 AM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done > > --> > > Hey Jim (Markle)- just curious... I looked in the FARs in the section abou t markings and it says that the "N" (or "NX", in our case) is to be followed by the registration numbers/letter. I see that the markings on your rudder are "stacked", so to speak, and not continuous. I guess the second part fo llows the first and meets the letter of the regs but I was wondering if anyo ne has mentioned that to you, or if you've seen any other tail markings in t he fashion that yours are? > > It also says that they should not have any ornamentation. I'd be careful a bout that stylized letter "J" that you've got there ;o) > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford/Ashland, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380660#380660 > > > > > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > http://forums.matronics.com > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 08:04:04 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Blakesburg From: Gene Rambo I'm planning on making Blakesburg. Not sure what days. (not in my Piet, of c ourse) Gene On Aug 11, 2012, at 6:59 PM, JOSEPH SWITHIN wrote: > Dick, > I will get to Blakesburg on Thursday around noon. I will leave Saturday af ternoon. > > Joe > Morris, IL > hunting and gathering > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 09:14:03 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: "Experimental" Placard Yes. It=99s just one of those labels that you get from the EAA. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 7:45 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done Is the word experimental on the placard? Know it says amateur built... On Aug 11, 2012, at 12:48 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: Mr. Fed had no issue with my =9Cstacked=9D lettering, which I had copied from others. Interestingly, he chooses to see no value to the =98X=99 in the N-number. Nor was he put off by the fact that I do not have the wording, =9CEXPERIMENTAL=9D plastered on the side of the fuselage. His ONLY concern was that, somewhere in the passenger cockpit, amongst the other words on that placard, that the =98experimental=99 word was visible. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:23 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done --> < taildrags@hotmail.com> Hey Jim (Markle)- just curious... I looked in the FARs in the section about markings and it says that the "N" (or "NX", in our case) is to be followed by the registration numbers/letter. I see that the markings on your rudder are "stacked", so to speak, and not continuous. I guess the second part follows the first and meets the letter of the regs but I was wondering if anyone has mentioned that to you, or if you've seen any other tail markings in the fashion that yours are? It also says that they should not have any ornamentation. I'd be careful about that stylized letter "J" that you've got there ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford/Ashland, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380660#380660 http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.