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1. 02:49 AM - Re: "Experimental" Placard (Jack)
2. 05:28 AM - Re: "Experimental" Placard (Gene Rambo)
3. 06:09 AM - Re: "Experimental" Placard (Gary Boothe)
4. 06:36 AM - Re: "Experimental" Placard (helspersew@aol.com)
5. 06:47 AM - Re: "Experimental" Placard (Gary Boothe)
6. 06:48 AM - Re: "Experimental" Placard (Gary Boothe)
7. 08:54 AM - Blakesburg (Dick N)
8. 09:29 AM - Re: "Experimental" Placard (Bill Church)
9. 09:33 AM - Re: Re: "Experimental" Placard (gboothe5@comcast.net)
10. 11:39 AM - whats the best varnish to use (nightmare)
11. 12:06 PM - Re: Re: first piet piece done (V Groah)
12. 01:19 PM - BS Time (gboothe5@comcast.net)
13. 01:25 PM - Re: BS Time (Jim Boyer)
14. 01:26 PM - Re: whats the best varnish to use (K5YAC)
15. 01:29 PM - Re: Blakesburg (K5YAC)
16. 01:34 PM - Re: whats the best varnish to use (nightmare)
17. 01:37 PM - Re: Re: whats the best varnish to use (V Groah)
18. 01:40 PM - Re: BS Time (Jerry Dotson)
19. 02:30 PM - Re: Re: prop clearence (Ryan Mueller)
20. 02:52 PM - Re: BS Time (John Francis)
21. 03:12 PM - Re: whats the best varnish to use (Mario Giacummo)
22. 03:18 PM - Re: whats the best varnish to use (tools)
23. 03:21 PM - Re: BS Time (dwilson)
24. 03:44 PM - Re: Re: first piet piece done (Ryan Mueller)
25. 03:50 PM - Re: Re: BS Time (Gary Boothe)
26. 04:09 PM - Chic Magnet (Gary Boothe)
27. 06:33 PM - Re: first piet piece done (Jerry Dotson)
28. 07:05 PM - Re: whats the best varnish to use (nightmare)
29. 07:33 PM - Re: "Experimental" Placard (Clif Dawson)
30. 07:48 PM - Re: whats the best varnish to use (Clif Dawson)
31. 08:45 PM - Re: Blakesburg (Ryan Mueller)
32. 08:49 PM - Re: Chic Magnet (Ryan Mueller)
33. 10:20 PM - Re: Re: whats the best varnish to use (shad bell)
34. 10:30 PM - Got about 1.5 hrs of piet time today (shad bell)
35. 11:39 PM - Re: whats the best varnish to use (nightmare)
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| Subject: | "Experimental" Placard |
Gary, why the =BD hatch?
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Boothe
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 11:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: "Experimental" Placard
Yes. It=92s just one of those labels that you get from the EAA.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene
Rambo
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
Is the word experimental on the placard? Know it says amateur built...
On Aug 11, 2012, at 12:48 PM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
wrote:
Mr. Fed had no issue with my =93stacked=94 lettering, which I had copied
from
others. Interestingly, he chooses to see no value to the =91X=92 in the
N-number. Nor was he put off by the fact that I do not have the wording,
=93EXPERIMENTAL=94 plastered on the side of the fuselage. His ONLY
concern was
that, somewhere in the passenger cockpit, amongst the other words on
that
placard, that the =91experimental=92 word was visible.
<image003.jpg>
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]
<mailto:%5bmailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com%5d> On
Behalf
Of taildrags
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:23 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
--> < <mailto:taildrags@hotmail.com> taildrags@hotmail.com>
Hey Jim (Markle)- just curious... I looked in the FARs in the section
about
markings and it says that the "N" (or "NX", in our case) is to be
followed
by the registration numbers/letter. I see that the markings on your
rudder
are "stacked", so to speak, and not continuous. I guess the second part
follows the first and meets the letter of the regs but I was wondering
if
anyone has mentioned that to you, or if you've seen any other tail
markings
in the fashion that yours are?
It also says that they should not have any ornamentation. I'd be
careful
about that stylized letter "J" that you've got there ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford/Ashland, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: "Experimental" Placard |
Can't read the placard
On Aug 12, 2012, at 12:13 AM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> Yes. It=99s just one of those labels that you get from the EAA.
>
> <image001.jpg>
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 7:45 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
>
> Is the word experimental on the placard? Know it says amateur built...
>
> On Aug 11, 2012, at 12:48 PM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Mr. Fed had no issue with my =9Cstacked=9D lettering, which I h
ad copied from others. Interestingly, he chooses to see no value to the
=98X=99 in the N-number. Nor was he put off by the fact that I do not h
ave the wording, =9CEXPERIMENTAL=9D plastered on the side of the
fuselage. His ONLY concern was that, somewhere in the passenger cockpit, am
ongst the other words on that placard, that the =98experimental=99
word was visible.
>
> <image003.jpg>
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li
st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags
> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:23 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
>
> --> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>
> Hey Jim (Markle)- just curious... I looked in the FARs in the section abou
t markings and it says that the "N" (or "NX", in our case) is to be followed
by the registration numbers/letter. I see that the markings on your rudder
are "stacked", so to speak, and not continuous. I guess the second part fo
llows the first and meets the letter of the regs but I was wondering if anyo
ne has mentioned that to you, or if you've seen any other tail markings in t
he fashion that yours are?
>
> It also says that they should not have any ornamentation. I'd be careful a
bout that stylized letter "J" that you've got there ;o)
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford/Ashland, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
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>
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| Subject: | "Experimental" Placard |
Thought I=92d save some room for instruments, in the future.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 2:49 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: "Experimental" Placard
Gary, why the =BD hatch?
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Boothe
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 11:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: "Experimental" Placard
Yes. It=92s just one of those labels that you get from the EAA.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene
Rambo
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
Is the word experimental on the placard? Know it says amateur built...
On Aug 11, 2012, at 12:48 PM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
wrote:
Mr. Fed had no issue with my =93stacked=94 lettering, which I had copied
from
others. Interestingly, he chooses to see no value to the =91X=92 in the
N-number. Nor was he put off by the fact that I do not have the wording,
=93EXPERIMENTAL=94 plastered on the side of the fuselage. His ONLY
concern was
that, somewhere in the passenger cockpit, amongst the other words on
that
placard, that the =91experimental=92 word was visible.
<image003.jpg>
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]
<mailto:%5bmailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com%5d> On
Behalf
Of taildrags
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:23 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
--> < <mailto:taildrags@hotmail.com> taildrags@hotmail.com>
Hey Jim (Markle)- just curious... I looked in the FARs in the section
about
markings and it says that the "N" (or "NX", in our case) is to be
followed
by the registration numbers/letter. I see that the markings on your
rudder
are "stacked", so to speak, and not continuous. I guess the second part
follows the first and meets the letter of the regs but I was wondering
if
anyone has mentioned that to you, or if you've seen any other tail
markings
in the fashion that yours are?
It also says that they should not have any ornamentation. I'd be
careful
about that stylized letter "J" that you've got there ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford/Ashland, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
<http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380660#380660>
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380660#380660
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| Subject: | Re: "Experimental" Placard |
There he goes....adding weight and complication......the dark side....
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Sun, Aug 12, 2012 8:09 am
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: "Experimental" Placard
Thought I=99d save some room for instruments, in the future.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 2:49 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: "Experimental" Placard
Gary, why the =C2=BD hatch?
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 11:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: "Experimental" Placard
Yes. It=99s just one of those labels that you get from the EAA.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
Is the word experimental on the placard? Know it says amateur built...
On Aug 11, 2012, at 12:48 PM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
Mr. Fed had no issue with my =9Cstacked=9D lettering, which I h
ad copied from others. Interestingly, he chooses to see no value to the
=98X=99 in the N-number. Nor was he put off by the fact that I do
not have the wording, =9CEXPERIMENTAL=9D plastered on the side
of the fuselage. His ONLY concern was that, somewhere in the passenger cock
pit, amongst the other words on that placard, that the =98experimenta
l=99 word was visible.
<image003.jpg>
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:23 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
--> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Hey Jim (Markle)- just curious... I looked in the FARs in the section about
markings and it says that the "N" (or "NX", in our case) is to be followed
by the registration numbers/letter. I see that the markings on your rudde
r are "stacked", so to speak, and not continuous. I guess the second part
follows the first and meets the letter of the regs but I was wondering if a
nyone has mentioned that to you, or if you've seen any other tail markings
in the fashion that yours are?
It also says that they should not have any ornamentation. I'd be careful a
bout that stylized letter "J" that you've got there ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford/Ashland, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380660#380660
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http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | "Experimental" Placard |
My grandson wants a clockso he knows when it=99s time to
go home
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 6:36 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "Experimental" Placard
There he goes....adding weight and complication......the dark side....
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Sun, Aug 12, 2012 8:09 am
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: "Experimental" Placard
Thought I=99d save some room for instruments, in the future.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
<mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com?> ] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 2:49 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: "Experimental" Placard
Gary, why the =C2=BD hatch?
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary
Boothe
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 11:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: "Experimental" Placard
Yes. It=99s just one of those labels that you get from the EAA.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene
Rambo
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
Is the word experimental on the placard? Know it says amateur built...
On Aug 11, 2012, at 12:48 PM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
wrote:
Mr. Fed had no issue with my =9Cstacked=9D lettering, which
I had copied from others. Interestingly, he chooses to see no value to
the =98X=99 in the N-number. Nor was he put off by the fact
that I do not have the wording, =9CEXPERIMENTAL=9D plastered
on the side of the fuselage. His ONLY concern was that, somewhere in the
passenger cockpit, amongst the other words on that placard, that the
=98experimental=99 word was visible.
<image003.jpg>
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]
<mailto:%5bmailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com%5d> On
Behalf Of taildrags
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:23 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
--> < <mailto:taildrags@hotmail.com> taildrags@hotmail.com>
Hey Jim (Markle)- just curious... I looked in the FARs in the section
about markings and it says that the "N" (or "NX", in our case) is to be
followed by the registration numbers/letter. I see that the markings on
your rudder are "stacked", so to speak, and not continuous. I guess the
second part follows the first and meets the letter of the regs but I was
wondering if anyone has mentioned that to you, or if you've seen any
other tail markings in the fashion that yours are?
It also says that they should not have any ornamentation. I'd be
careful about that stylized letter "J" that you've got there ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford/Ashland, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | "Experimental" Placard |
I=99ll get a better picture todaystand by.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene
Rambo
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 5:28 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: "Experimental" Placard
Can't read the placard
On Aug 12, 2012, at 12:13 AM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
wrote:
Yes. It=99s just one of those labels that you get from the EAA.
<image001.jpg>
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene
Rambo
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
Is the word experimental on the placard? Know it says amateur built...
On Aug 11, 2012, at 12:48 PM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
wrote:
Mr. Fed had no issue with my =9Cstacked=9D lettering, which
I had copied from others. Interestingly, he chooses to see no value to
the =98X=99 in the N-number. Nor was he put off by the fact
that I do not have the wording, =9CEXPERIMENTAL=9D plastered
on the side of the fuselage. His ONLY concern was that, somewhere in the
passenger cockpit, amongst the other words on that placard, that the
=98experimental=99 word was visible.
<image003.jpg>
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
taildrags
Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:23 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
--> < <mailto:taildrags@hotmail.com> taildrags@hotmail.com>
Hey Jim (Markle)- just curious... I looked in the FARs in the section
about markings and it says that the "N" (or "NX", in our case) is to be
followed by the registration numbers/letter. I see that the markings on
your rudder are "stacked", so to speak, and not continuous. I guess the
second part follows the first and meets the letter of the regs but I was
wondering if anyone has mentioned that to you, or if you've seen any
other tail markings in the fashion that yours are?
It also says that they should not have any ornamentation. I'd be
careful about that stylized letter "J" that you've got there ;o)
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford/Ashland, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
Read this topic online here:
<http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380660#380660>
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I am glad to hear some of you will be attending. It's really a great
show. I am planning on going down on Wed and dparting on Sat also. Not
on the list, I ialked with Lorin Miller at Brodhead and he is also
planning on attending. Itall depends on weather though, last too years
have been too windy for me.
Dick N.
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| Subject: | Re: "Experimental" Placard |
One of these, Gary?
BC
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| Subject: | Re: "Experimental" Placard |
Exactly!
------Original Message------
From: Bill Church
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "Experimental" Placard
Sent: Aug 12, 2012 9:29 AM
One of these, Gary?
BC
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Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry
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Whats the best poly/ spar varnish to use? is the home depot/ lowes spar varnish
just as good as anything else?
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| Subject: | Re: first piet piece done |
Our guy needed the NX on the tail but started to hit us for having the numb
er on the wing without the NX. He ruled since it did not have the N it was
considered a decoration and did not count for or against us.
The guy was great to us=2C very professional and through. He did want to s
ee the tag but did not need the big experimental lettering anywhere. We ha
ve the small tag on the front dash that says experimental. That seemed to
fit the bill with him. He even looked it up in his reg book to be sure.
Vic NX414MV
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
From: generambo@msn.com
Is the word experimental on the placard? Know it says amateur built...
On Aug 11=2C 2012=2C at 12:48 PM=2C "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wr
ote:
Mr. Fed had no issue with my =93stacked=94 lettering=2C which I had copied
from others. Interestingly=2C he chooses to see no value to the =91X=92 in
the N-number. Nor was he put off by the fact that I do not have the wording
=2C =93EXPERIMENTAL=94 plastered on the side of the fuselage. His ONLY conc
ern was that=2C somewhere in the passenger cockpit=2C amongst the other wor
ds on that placard=2C that the =91experimental=92 word was visible.
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Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of taildrags
Sent: Saturday=2C August 11=2C 2012 9:23 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
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Hey Jim (Markle)- just curious... I looked in the FARs in the section about
markings and it says that the "N" (or "NX"=2C in our case) is to be follow
ed by the registration numbers/letter. I see that the markings on your rud
der are "stacked"=2C so to speak=2C and not continuous. I guess the second
part follows the first and meets the letter of the regs but I was wonderin
g if anyone has mentioned that to you=2C or if you've seen any other tail m
arkings in the fashion that yours are?
It also says that they should not have any ornamentation. I'd be careful a
bout that stylized letter "J" that you've got there =3Bo)
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Medford/Ashland=2C OR
Air Camper NX41CC "=3BScout"=3B
A75 power
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Took 308MB out to the ramp for her first fill-up. All inspection panels are on...she
looks official. Lesson learned? Allow plenty of BS time! One guy drove all
the way down from the north end, just 'cuz he saw the tall tires! Still waiting
for the chic magnet to kick in...
Gary from Cool
NX308MB
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So it looks like the Piet really does draw people. Better make up a handout to
give all the lookers so you can get in some flying time versus to much talking
time
Cheers,
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: whats the best varnish to use |
I applied two coats of Helmsman's spar varnish on my wings, tail surfaces and everything
that would be covered. It is supposed to be good stuff. On areas that
will be exposed or visible, I am using System 3's marine grade varnish...
it is supposed to have superior UV protectors and it goes on clear (not yellowish),
so the wood really looks beautiful. The other major difference...
Helmsman's = $15 at Home Depot or other home improvement stores.
System 3 = $40 at Woodcraft or other wood working or marine stores.
Mileage may vary... this is just what I've found.
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I'm considering going... it all depends on work. I'll let y'all know as time gets
closer if I plan to be there. Tyler and I stopped in on our way up to Brodhead...
we would love to see the place in full swing.
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thanks Mark. Paul
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| Subject: | Re: whats the best varnish to use |
We used the spar varnish on the parts that are covered to seal the wood. O
n the areas that show=2C like inside the cockpit we used PPG automotive cle
ar coat. It is made for a durable finish coat with UV protection and is to
ugh. Makes a great finish=2C used three coats. sanded between coats. A bi
t expensive. Vic NX414MV
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: whats the best varnish to use
> From: hangar10@cox.net
> Date: Sun=2C 12 Aug 2012 13:26:26 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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> I applied two coats of Helmsman's spar varnish on my wings=2C tail surfac
es and everything that would be covered. It is supposed to be good stuff. O
n areas that will be exposed or visible=2C I am using System 3's marine gra
de varnish... it is supposed to have superior UV protectors and it goes on
clear (not yellowish)=2C so the wood really looks beautiful. The other majo
r difference...
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> Helmsman's = $15 at Home Depot or other home improvement stores.
> System 3 = $40 at Woodcraft or other wood working or marine stores.
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I understand Gary. I can draw a crowd just fire it up. Go around the patch and
we have a BS session going!
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
First flight June 16,2012
Started building July, 2009
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Re: prop clearence |
Product 3 Description; Original Pietenpol Air
Camper Supplemental Plans
Includes drawings showing the installation of the Corvair
engine. This packet of plans includes drawing for a longer
fuselage, Corvair motor mount drawing, Corvair propeller
hub drawing, 65 hp Continental engine motor mount
drawing.
Original Air Camper Supplemental Drawings
(Extended Fuselage to be used with A-65's and modern
engines)
Product 3 Price = $60.00 US Dollars
*Free Shipping
Therein lies your motor mount drawing=85.
Ryan Mueller
rmueller23@gmail.com
On Aug 11, 2012, at 12:29 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> WOW! An =93improved=94 Piet? I am afeared you have released the
Cracken=85
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> NX308MB
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> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf OfRyan M
> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 10:09 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: prop clearence
>
> How does engine choice effect prop clearance? I am building an
"improved" piet with "cub style" gear but it's drawn with the Ford
engine. Do you gain or loose prop clearance by using a Continental?
>
> (archives searched)
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> Thanks,
>
> Ryan
>
> From: dgaldrich <dgaldrich@embarqmail.com>
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Sunday, July 29, 2012 6:39 PM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: prop clearence
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> Just for reference, FAR Part 23.925 requires a 9 inch prop clearance
for conventional gear aircraft with the aircraft in level flight
attitude or takeoff attitude (whichever is most critical) and at max
gross weight. Also says that there must be a positive clearance with
the most critical gear suspension collapsed (i.e. broken bungees) and a
flat tire on the same side.
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> I know we don't have to conform to Part 23 but, like AC 43-13, it's a
darn good place to find useful information. Like the guidance from
Uncle Tony, ignore it at your peril.
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Shove the potato into the front of your shorts....not the rear.
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| Subject: | Re: whats the best varnish to use |
Just regard it have ultraviolet filter... anything work, you have to think
just in "encapsulate" the wood, how... it is your choice, the ultravioilet
filter .. it is an "add on" that come in evrything you buy today, so, use
it it. You can use even epoxy disolved in acetone, or a good wood paint if
you like it.
did you see old painted wood furniture?.
regards
Mario Giacummo
2012/8/12 nightmare <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
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> Whats the best poly/ spar varnish to use? is the home depot/ lowes spar
> varnish just as good as anything else?
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> Started 8-3-12
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| Subject: | Re: whats the best varnish to use |
This is really a loaded question, unfortunately...
The first question that needs to be answered is what system you're going to use
to cover you plane. As it turns out, as far as I can tell, if you're using
poly fiber stuff, you need an "epoxy varnish", as the MEK used in that system
attacks normal varnishes during its application.
Varnish used to be a clue as to what the finish was... no so much anymore.
So to make a long story short, check with the manufacturer of your covering system
and see what's compatible. Of course, you can use two different varnishes
depending whether or not it comes in contact.
Otherwise, I've found the most "normal" finish available through major retailers
is as good as anything. I just recently used some hinky cool high priced stuff
through a high end retailer (woodcraft or somebody) and got hugely burned.
Unless it's a really obvious finish (like danish oil, tung oil, shellac, lacquer,
etc.) you don't really know if it's real varnish, or some sort of polymerized
something or another so only experience will tell if it's really suitable.
Generally speaking, from over 25 years of experience, the finishes available these
days are really very good and well exceed ANYTHING available back in the thirties,
so don't worry too much about it. I've found if you can find something
that'll be available for enough years that you can reapply some corporate knowledge,
you'll like it.
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Ok! Gary, I know how the chick magnet thing works. I would suggest that you
should have someone else stand next to your plane! Ouch.
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: first piet piece done |
FAR 45 Subpart C spells it all out=85.
According to 45.22(b), since a Pietenpol is a US registered aircraft
that is amateur built and which has the same external configuration as
an aircraft built at least 30 years ago it may be operated without
displaying marks in accordance with 45.21 and 45.23 through 45.33=85.how
does that address items brought up in this thread?
If you display the N number using only the capital letter N and
registration number, you must have the EXPERIMENTAL placards displayed
near each entrance to the cockpit. If you display your N number as NX
and the registration you do not need to place any EXPERIMENTAL placards
in either cockpit; the fact that the aircraft is experimental is
communicated by the N number being displayed as NX and the number (and
your little amateur built tag). This is allowed because of the "same
external configuration as an aircraft built 30 years ago" provision.
45.22(b)(1) specifies that the registration marks be displayed at least
two inches high on each side of the fuselage or vertical tail surface
consisting of the Roman capital letter N *followed by*=85=85it does not
specify whether it has to be "followed by" either vertically or
horizontally. 45.25(b)(1) does specify horizontally, however 45.22(b)
exempts you from that because of the 30 years or older provision.
Markings must be in accordance with 45.21(c), which states they have to
be permanently affixed, have no ornamentation, contrast in color with
the background, and be legible. "Ornamentation" is not specifically
defined, so I would say since they did not provide a definition as to
what the administrator THINKS it means, you would have to go by the
dictionary definition. Using that definition of what it means to be
ornamented, a Fed or their rep could take issue with the J=85.but since
it contrasts in color and is legible you can argue right back.
45.29 contains various requirements regarding height, width, spacing,
uniformity=85=85but the 30 years or older provision exempts you from the
requirements of that section as well=85.
Ryan Mueller
rmueller23@gmail.com
On Aug 12, 2012, at 2:06 PM, V Groah <vgroah@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Our guy needed the NX on the tail but started to hit us for having the
number on the wing without the NX. He ruled since it did not have the N
it was considered a decoration and did not count for or against us.
>
> The guy was great to us, very professional and through. He did want
to see the tag but did not need the big experimental lettering anywhere.
We have the small tag on the front dash that says experimental. That
seemed to fit the bill with him. He even looked it up in his reg book
to be sure.
>
> Vic NX414MV
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> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: first piet piece done
> From: generambo@msn.com
> Date: Sat, 11 Aug 2012 22:44:58 -0400
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
> Is the word experimental on the placard? Know it says amateur
built...
>
> On Aug 11, 2012, at 12:48 PM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
wrote:
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> Mr. Fed had no issue with my =93stacked=94 lettering, which I had
copied from others. Interestingly, he chooses to see no value to the =91X=92
in the N-number. Nor was he put off by the fact that I do not have the
wording, =93EXPERIMENTAL=94 plastered on the side of the fuselage. His
ONLY concern was that, somewhere in the passenger cockpit, amongst the
other words on that placard, that the =91experimental=92 word was
visible.
>
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> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
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> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
taildrags
> Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2012 9:23 AM
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> Hey Jim (Markle)- just curious... I looked in the FARs in the section
about markings and it says that the "N" (or "NX", in our case) is to be
followed by the registration numbers/letter. I see that the markings on
your rudder are "stacked", so to speak, and not continuous. I guess the
second part follows the first and meets the letter of the regs but I was
wondering if anyone has mentioned that to you, or if you've seen any
other tail markings in the fashion that yours are?
>
> It also says that they should not have any ornamentation. I'd be
careful about that stylized letter "J" that you've got there ;o)
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HA-HA! In that case, I want my money back!
Gary Boothe
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dwilson
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 3:21 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: BS Time
Ok! Gary, I know how the chick magnet thing works. I would suggest that
you should have someone else stand next to your plane! Ouch.
Dan
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Maybe the magnet is working...
Gary Boothe
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From: Rosita Dimbo [mailto:carolinenday1@yahoo.com]
Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 8:46 AM
Subject: Hello my dear
Hello my dear
Nice to meet you,how is life
I hope this letter will finds all of your house holds in the best of health
.it is my pleasure to penning down a few lines to check things with you.I am
Rosita by name, i know you will be surprise to hear from me.i believe that
one thousand journey begins with a step.
Though that we have not see each other face to face but God in his infinite
mercy have his own way to bring two people together ,be it friends. i think
we can write together.
>From my own little understanding i believe that love or friendship makes the
world go around,I want to share life experience and culture with you,I do
hope by the end of this letter you will bring smile to my face.i believe you
will have a little time for me.i have something VERY important to tell
you.It's never my desire to remain what I am now,but struggling to become
what am.
Give my love to your family and lots of love to you too.
Stay in touch and do write to me!
Take care
your new friend
Rosita
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| Subject: | Re: first piet piece done |
I addressed those items and printed out 45.21-45.23 and the DAR still would not
budge so I put the &^%$# experimental sticker on it. I figured if I had that
much trouble with him a ramp check might get ugly. Sometimes it is better to side
with City Hall than fight.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
First flight June 16,2012
Started building July, 2009
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
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| Subject: | Re: whats the best varnish to use |
great info guys. i guess since everything will be protected from UV by the fabric
anyway, all i really have to do is just incapsulate the wood ,for moisture
protection, with some spar varnish from home depot . since im planning on the
randolph system , any varnish will do. thank you for the responses. Paul
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| Subject: | Re: "Experimental" Placard |
Get one of those backwards ones. :-)
Clif
"Wait for that wisest of all counselors; Time." (Pericles)
My grandson wants a clockso he knows when it=99s time
to go home
Gary Boothe
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Like our Brit Buds.....
Clif
"I don't want to go to heaven. None of my friends are there."Oscar Wilde
or a good wood paint if you like it.
did you see old painted wood furniture?.
regards
Mario Giacummo
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Are you arriving via car, attempting a short-field landing in your big
jet airliner, or bringing the Travel Air?
Ryan Mueller
rmueller23@gmail.com
On Aug 11, 2012, at 10:03 PM, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
> I'm planning on making Blakesburg. Not sure what days. (not in my
Piet, of course)
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> Gene
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> On Aug 11, 2012, at 6:59 PM, JOSEPH SWITHIN <joeswithin@yahoo.com>
wrote:
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>> Dick,
>> I will get to Blakesburg on Thursday around noon. I will leave
Saturday afternoon.
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>> Joe
>> Morris, IL
>> hunting and gathering
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You need to hook Rosita up with Jorge from Hanford...
Ryan Mueller
rmueller23@gmail.com
On Aug 12, 2012, at 6:09 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
<gboothe5@comcast.net>
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> Maybe the magnet is working...
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rosita Dimbo [mailto:carolinenday1@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Sunday, August 12, 2012 8:46 AM
> To: undisclosed recipients:
> Subject: Hello my dear
>
> Hello my dear
> Nice to meet you,how is life
> I hope this letter will finds all of your house holds in the best of
health
> .it is my pleasure to penning down a few lines to check things with
you.I am
> Rosita by name, i know you will be surprise to hear from me.i believe
that
> one thousand journey begins with a step.
> Though that we have not see each other face to face but God in his
infinite
> mercy have his own way to bring two people together ,be it friends. i
think
> we can write together.
>
>> =46rom my own little understanding i believe that love or friendship
makes the
> world go around,I want to share life experience and culture with you,I
do
> hope by the end of this letter you will bring smile to my face.i
believe you
> will have a little time for me.i have something VERY important to tell
> you.It's never my desire to remain what I am now,but struggling to
become
> what am.
> Give my love to your family and lots of love to you too.
> Stay in touch and do write to me!
> Take care
> your new friend
> Rosita
>
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| Subject: | Re: whats the best varnish to use |
With the "Latex Corvair Rocket" we used Helmsman Spar Urethane only-throu
ghout the whole structure, and after 6+ years and 314+ hrs of flying have h
ad no problems (using the Ceco-Bond Fabric System which is water based).-
And as others have said, if you use poly fiber process you will need to us
e epoxy varnish where the fabric glues to the structure. I am currently bui
lding an all wood aerobatic biplane, and have used Minwax spar urethane on
the complete structure, but I am applying 2-3 coats of poly fiber epoxy var
nish where the fabric will glue to the structure.- The Epoxy can be appli
ed over the Spar Urethane, but make sure the 1st coat of epoxy is a light c
oat so it wont lift the urethane off the wood.- The only advantage to usi
ng the hardware store Spar Urethane is a big cost savings (mabey $200-300 f
or the whole airplane).- In my oppinion, it is worth only buying as much
epoxy varnish as you need for areas that come in contact with the fabric,
the spar urethane is much less toxic, and faster and eaiser to use, the ep
oxy varnish is a 3 part, base, activor, and thinner.- It is much easier t
o just open a can and varnish what you need to, than guess how much epoxy v
arnish to mix up, and worry about wasting it when doing small jobs.
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Just My oppinion,
Shad
--- On Sun, 8/12/12, V Groah <vgroah@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: V Groah <vgroah@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: whats the best varnish to use
We used the spar varnish on-the parts that are covered to seal the-wood
.- On the-areas that show, like inside the cockpit we used PPG automoti
ve clear coat.- It is made-for a durable finish coat with UV protection
and is tough.- Makes a great finish,-used three-coats. sanded betwee
n coats. -A bit expensive.- Vic NX414MV
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> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: whats the best varnish to use
> From: hangar10@cox.net
> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2012 13:26:26 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
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> I applied two coats of Helmsman's spar varnish on my wings, tail surfaces
and everything that would be covered. It is supposed to be good stuff. On
areas that will be exposed or visible, I am using System 3's marine grade v
arnish... it is supposed to have superior UV protectors and it goes on clea
r (not yellowish), so the wood really looks beautiful. The other major diff
erence...
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> Helmsman's = $15 at Home Depot or other home improvement stores.
> System 3 = $40 at Woodcraft or other wood working or marine stores.
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> Mileage may vary... this is just what I've found.
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> Mark Chouinard
> Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landi
ng Gear
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| Subject: | Got about 1.5 hrs of piet time today |
I was able to get a couple flights in the piet today.- Ohio was blessed w
ith highs in the low 80's-high 70's this weekend.- I got to fly a little
bit of formation time with a friend of mine who just brought home his new S
pacewalker 2.- I have always admired the Spacewalker as a kid building an
d flying model airplanes. I never thought I would be flying along side a fu
ll scale one in the likes of a pietenpol when I was a star eyed kid who had
to mow lawns all summer just to buy enough balsa wood to finish a RC Model
'er set of plans I got for my birthday.-
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Keep dreaming, keep building, and then start flying, You get there befor yo
u know it!
-
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: whats the best varnish to use |
thanks Shad, sounds good to me. Paul
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Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
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