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Tue 08/14/12


Total Messages Posted: 16



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     1. 04:33 AM - Re: Look this blade (giacummo)
     2. 06:37 AM - Pietenpol FAQ for this list? (Paul Borghese)
     3. 07:16 AM - Re: Pietenpol FAQ for this list? (Michael Perez)
     4. 07:57 AM - Pietenpol Air Camper and Sky Scout Technical Information. FAQ (Ben Charvet)
     5. 08:20 AM - Re: Pietenpol FAQ for this list? (Bill Church)
     6. 08:42 AM - Re: Pietenpol FAQ for this list? (tools)
     7. 08:48 AM - Re: Pietenpol FAQ for this list? (Jack Phillips)
     8. 11:42 AM - Re: Steel tube tail drawings (techinfo)
     9. 11:58 AM - Re: Control sticks in position... (techinfo)
    10. 12:28 PM - Re: Steel tube tail drawings (AircamperN11MS)
    11. 05:57 PM - Re: Got about 1.5 hrs of piet time today (kevinpurtee)
    12. 06:08 PM - Re: Re: Got about 1.5 hrs of piet time today (Ken Bickers)
    13. 07:44 PM - Re: Re: Got about 1.5 hrs of piet time today (shad bell)
    14. 09:36 PM - Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion (Mark Roberts)
    15. 10:05 PM - Re: brakes for mark robert (jorge lizarraga)
    16. 10:56 PM - Re: Re: Got about 1.5 hrs of piet time today (Ryan Mueller)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:33:54 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Look this blade
    From: "giacummo" <mario.giacummo@gmail.com>
    Yes, but you did't see it so close (me either...) -------- Mario Giacummo http://vgmk1.blogspot.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380890#380890


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    Time: 06:37:40 AM PST US
    Subject: Pietenpol FAQ for this list?
    From: Paul Borghese <pborghese@gmail.com>
    Hi Everyone, I am considering building a Pietenpol and have a million questions. Before I waste valuable list resources asking the same questions which have already been answered, does this list have a FAQ? I know there is a FAQ for the mechanics of the mailing list. I am looking for a FAQ on Pietenpol aircraft. Thanks, Paul Borghese


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    Time: 07:16:47 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Pietenpol FAQ for this list?
    I don't know of any FAQ for here. You can look through the archives, lots and lots of answers there, although that can be a bit tedious. Other than that, I say, ask away! I am sure people on here will help you. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 07:57:05 AM PST US
    Subject: Pietenpol Air Camper and Sky Scout Technical Information.
    FAQ
    From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com>
    http://community.pressenter.net/~apietenp/Information.html The Pietenpol family sells the plans and has this information Sent from my iPhone


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    Time: 08:20:50 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Pietenpol FAQ for this list?
    From: "Bill Church" <billspiet@sympatico.ca>
    Paul, For starters, check out the Pietenpol Family website: http://community.pressenter.net/~apietenp/ And, also check out: www.westcoastpiet.com this excellent website has a FAQ section. Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380900#380900


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    Time: 08:42:02 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Pietenpol FAQ for this list?
    From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
    Also try www.pietenpols.org. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380903#380903


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    Time: 08:48:11 AM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Pietenpol FAQ for this list?
    Hi Paul, After several years of being on this list I have observed a bunch of questions. Here is my own list of common questions: 1. What wood should I use? Sitka Spruce has the best strength to weight ratio of any wood. It is also considerably more expensive than some other species, such as Douglas Fir. Many Pietenpols have been built with fir, cedar, hemlock and other woods. I built mine of spruce, just for its lightness and because it works very easily. It is also the only "aircraft grade" wood you can find. Common sources include Aircraft Spruce & Specialty and Wicks Aircraft Supply. The cost of the wood is less than 10% of the total cost of the airplane, and is not a place I would look to for cutting costs. 2. What glue should I use? Nearly everyone now is using T-88 epoxy, with good results. 3. What engine should I use? Hah! Lot's of people are using modified Corvair engines, many use Continental aircraft engines from 65 - 100 hp, a few use Lycomings of 108 - 115 hp, many still use the Model A Ford engine the airplane was designed for. Your choice. The tradeoff is generally cost vs reliability. If I lived in the midwest, where forced landings are not generally a problem, I'd use a Model A, or a Lambert radial, or something equally interesting. Since I live near the mountains and fly frequently over fairly inhospitable terrain, I chose a Continental. 4. I'm 275 lbs and want to carry 400 lb passengers. Will I be able to fly a Pietenpol out of my 1200' strip? No. Either lose a bunch of weight or build Van's new RV-14. The Pietenpol was designed at a time when the average pilot really was 160 lbs, and it didn't have a lot of room for them. The inside of the cockpit is only 22" wide and the plane really doesn't have much load carrying capability. 300fpm is a pretty average climb rate with 65 hp - less on a hot day. With 100 hp you might get as much as 500 fpm, but it is highly dependent on load. 5. Can I add a door to the front cockpit? You can, but it adds a lot of weight, reducing the ability to climb with that person in the front that needed a door anyway. Better to limit your passengers to 180 lbs or less. If they are that small they can usually manage to climb in. 6. Can I change XXX (fill in the blank, here)? Yes. It's your Experimental airplane, so you can change anything you like. Will it fly as well as if you built it to the plans? Almost certainly not. I've flown a number of Pietenpols and without exception, the closer they were built to the plans, the better they flew. If you don't already own them, buy the 4 Tony Bingelis books: The Sportplane Builder, Sportplane Construction Techniques, Firewall Forward, and Tony Bingelis on Engines. Nearly every question you can have in building an airplane can be answered in those books. They are available from the EAA. You are an EAA member, aren't you? Even though the leadership has changed and the organization seems to be struggling to find its direction, it is still a worthwhile organization to belong to and is a great storehouse of information on homebuilding. Any other questions can be answered on this forum. Just try to answer them first using the forum archives so you don't ask a question that was just answered a week ago. Good luck! Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Borghese Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 9:37 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol FAQ for this list? Hi Everyone, I am considering building a Pietenpol and have a million questions. Before I waste valuable list resources asking the same questions which have already been answered, does this list have a FAQ? I know there is a FAQ for the mechanics of the mailing list. I am looking for a FAQ on Pietenpol aircraft. Thanks, Paul Borghese


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    Time: 11:42:48 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Steel tube tail drawings
    From: "techinfo" <airinfo@rogers.com>
    [quote="bkemike(at)gmail.com"]At Scott Liefeld's request, I've drawn up his steel tube tail section in AutoCAD. The design (Scott's dad's) has forty years of well-proven functionality looking like a Piet. The CAD file is available for free to anyone who asks. I can send it out as a .dwg (162kb), .dxf, .pdf, or .bmp (194kb). Mike Hardaway > [b] could you please send your pdf file on the steel tube tail section thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380915#380915


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    Time: 11:58:25 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Control sticks in position...
    From: "techinfo" <airinfo@rogers.com>
    aerocarjake wrote: > Hello good Piet-ple, > > My welder (Mike, who's company is "Ready Weld") came over and finished up welding the control assembly on Friday. I then cleaned up the parts, positioned, drilled, and temporarily bolted the assembly where it goes in the plane. (Note: I am using "Home Depot" fasteners until final assembly so don't fret about the cheap carriage bolts holding it all together until then...!) > > Now I can sit in the plane and make airplane noises - while practicing takeoff's and gradual turns (ha!) > > Regards... Hello my name Bill BUdgell from Canada and I want to build the steel fuselage like you did can you tell me about how you did it ... did you follow the drawings as per all tube sizes ,is the tail all tubes and what size of tube did you use for the tail or is it wood. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380917#380917


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    Time: 12:28:16 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Steel tube tail drawings
    From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
    Look back about half way through this thread and you will find the attachment with the drawings. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380921#380921


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    Time: 05:57:11 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Got about 1.5 hrs of piet time today
    From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
    Crap, Shad. Now you'll get WAY ahead of me again... :) do not archive -------- Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380929#380929


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    Time: 06:08:12 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Got about 1.5 hrs of piet time today
    From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
    Kevin, the masses are getting disconcerted. And you don't want that. We need news on your progress, FBG, and more. Cheers, Ken On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 6:56 PM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote: > > Crap, Shad. Now you'll get WAY ahead of me again... > > :) > > do not archive > > -------- > Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/San Marcos, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380929#380929 > >


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    Time: 07:44:10 PM PST US
    From: shad bell <aviatorbell@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Got about 1.5 hrs of piet time today
    Kevin, I'm Still only at 315hrs, I have only got 15 this year.- Keep on k eepin on, you'll probably have your Piet done before I get my Jungster done . - Shad do not archive --- On Tue, 8/14/12, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote: From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got about 1.5 hrs of piet time today il> Crap, Shad.- Now you'll get WAY ahead of me again... :) do not archive -------- Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380929#380929 le, List Admin.


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    Time: 09:36:16 PM PST US
    Subject: Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion
    From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
    May I be as bold (have I been here long enough yet to assume this task?) as to suggest a thread to consolidate the discussion of brakes on a piet. I am compiling an order for steel, which has prompted my investigation of brakes, and the various kinds, types, styles (heel, hand operated, etc) so I can order the necessary stuff to make the pedals. However, I am unsure of a good design to be "general" enough for converting to my plane. I see a few pictures on WestcoastPiet.com (may Chris tracy be blessed) and yet it is somewhat left to the imagination as to what the builder did or used for the setup. I searched the archives, and found 62 listings for 'hydraulic' (Better than mechanical, or just another system... worth the trouble? Hold about the same?), and thought if we compile a list of the various brake configurations in a 'sticky' of sorts, which can be a running list of the various configurations out there, it might be helpful for tose following in our footsteps. In fact, it appears that many have tread this subject before with the question "WhatdoIdo for brakes... I fly off pavement"...? Many folks report the brakes we are using don't hold for run up, and personally I don't mind creeping a bit while running the engine to speed, as long as the guy in front of me doesn't mind my prop. But, if there was a list that could help the investigation, we could point guys like me to one thread with the details of the various solutions the collective brainpower has amassed. So, if anyone is interested in this idea, perhaps we can use this thread to compile best practices, parts used, suppliers, or any other info that could help builders with this, as most if not all of today's builders will need brakes, while Bernard mighta coulda skipped them. If your not interested, ignore this thread and don't flame me! :) For starters, how about these questions: What style wheels did you use? Spokes or small inflatable? Size of rotors Style (mechanical or Hydraulic) Caliper style (round clamp style or disc/Drum) How you'd rate the performance of them once used Type of actuator used: Handle, pedal, use your teeth to pull a cord... Supplier used and any part numbers suggested, etc. etc. Many thanks in advance for those willing to participate. It might save on future questions on the list, or at least point folks in the right direction. Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380937#380937


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    Time: 10:05:57 PM PST US
    From: jorge lizarraga <flightwood@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: brakes for mark robert
    ok mark dont be so complicate, a bery good frien from ohio sendmy all infor m about his piet, were buy and how to instal mayby you now hername Michael cuy, seyou nex be in contact < finished my five ribs in two weeks, jorge fr om hanfor=0A=0A=0AFrom: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpo l-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 9:35 PM=0ASubject: P ietenpol-List: Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion=0A=0A--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> =0A=0AMay I be as bold (have I been here long enough yet to assume this tas k?) as to suggest a thread to consolidate the discussion of brakes on a pie t.=0A=0AI am compiling an order for steel, which has prompted my investigat ion of brakes, and the various kinds, types, styles (heel, hand operated, e tc) so I can order the necessary stuff to make the pedals. However, I am un sure of a good design to be "general" enough for converting to my plane. I see a few pictures on WestcoastPiet.com (may Chris tracy be blessed) and ye t it is somewhat left to the imagination as to what the builder did or used for the setup. =0A=0AI searched the archives, and found 62 listings for 'h ydraulic' (Better than mechanical, or just another system... worth the trou ble? Hold about the same?), and thought if we compile a list of the various brake configurations in a 'sticky' of sorts, which can be a running list o f the various configurations out there, it might be helpful for tose follow ing in our footsteps. In fact, it appears that many have tread this subject before with the question "WhatdoIdo for brakes... I fly off pavement"...? =0A=0AMany folks report the brakes we are using don't hold for run up, and personally I don't mind creeping a bit while running the engine to speed, a s long as the guy in front of me doesn't mind my prop. But, if there was a list that could help the investigation, we could point guys like me to one thread with the details of the various solutions the collective brainpower has amassed.=0A=0ASo, if anyone is interested in this idea, perhaps we can use this thread to compile best practices, parts used, suppliers, or any ot her info that could help builders with this, as most if not all of today's builders will need brakes, while Bernard mighta coulda skipped them. If you r not interested, ignore this thread and don't flame me! :) =0A=0AFor start ers, how about these questions:=0A=0AWhat style wheels did you use? Spokes or small inflatable?=0ASize of rotors=0AStyle (mechanical or Hydraulic)=0AC aliper style (round clamp style or disc/Drum)=0AHow you'd rate the performa nce of them once used=0AType of actuator used: Handle, pedal, use your teet h to pull a cord...=0ASupplier used and any part numbers suggested, etc. et c.=0A=0A=0AMany thanks in advance for those willing to participate. It migh t save on future questions on the list, or at least point folks in the righ t direction.=0A=0AMark=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp ://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380937#380937=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A ================


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    Time: 10:56:09 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Got about 1.5 hrs of piet time today
    From: Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com>
    Not if we can help it! On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:56 PM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>wrote: > kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> > > Crap, Shad. Now you'll get WAY ahead of me again... > > :) > > do not archive > > -------- > Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/San Marcos, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380929#380929 > >




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