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1. 04:33 AM - Re: Look this blade (giacummo)
2. 06:37 AM - Pietenpol FAQ for this list? (Paul Borghese)
3. 07:16 AM - Re: Pietenpol FAQ for this list? (Michael Perez)
4. 07:57 AM - Pietenpol Air Camper and Sky Scout Technical Information. FAQ (Ben Charvet)
5. 08:20 AM - Re: Pietenpol FAQ for this list? (Bill Church)
6. 08:42 AM - Re: Pietenpol FAQ for this list? (tools)
7. 08:48 AM - Re: Pietenpol FAQ for this list? (Jack Phillips)
8. 11:42 AM - Re: Steel tube tail drawings (techinfo)
9. 11:58 AM - Re: Control sticks in position... (techinfo)
10. 12:28 PM - Re: Steel tube tail drawings (AircamperN11MS)
11. 05:57 PM - Re: Got about 1.5 hrs of piet time today (kevinpurtee)
12. 06:08 PM - Re: Re: Got about 1.5 hrs of piet time today (Ken Bickers)
13. 07:44 PM - Re: Re: Got about 1.5 hrs of piet time today (shad bell)
14. 09:36 PM - Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion (Mark Roberts)
15. 10:05 PM - Re: brakes for mark robert (jorge lizarraga)
16. 10:56 PM - Re: Re: Got about 1.5 hrs of piet time today (Ryan Mueller)
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Subject: | Re: Look this blade |
Yes, but you did't see it so close (me either...)
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Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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Subject: | Pietenpol FAQ for this list? |
Hi Everyone,
I am considering building a Pietenpol and have a million questions. Before
I waste valuable list resources asking the same questions which have
already been answered, does this list have a FAQ? I know there is a FAQ
for the mechanics of the mailing list. I am looking for a FAQ on Pietenpol
aircraft.
Thanks,
Paul Borghese
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol FAQ for this list? |
I don't know of any FAQ for here. You can look through the archives, lots and lots
of answers there, although that can be a bit tedious. Other than that, I say,
ask away! I am sure people on here will help you.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Pietenpol Air Camper and Sky Scout Technical Information. |
FAQ
http://community.pressenter.net/~apietenp/Information.html
The Pietenpol family sells the plans and has this information
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol FAQ for this list? |
Paul,
For starters, check out the Pietenpol Family website:
http://community.pressenter.net/~apietenp/
And, also check out:
www.westcoastpiet.com
this excellent website has a FAQ section.
Bill C.
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Subject: | Re: Pietenpol FAQ for this list? |
Also try www.pietenpols.org.
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Subject: | Pietenpol FAQ for this list? |
Hi Paul,
After several years of being on this list I have observed a bunch of
questions. Here is my own list of common questions:
1. What wood should I use? Sitka Spruce has the best strength to weight
ratio of any wood. It is also considerably more expensive than some other
species, such as Douglas Fir. Many Pietenpols have been built with fir,
cedar, hemlock and other woods. I built mine of spruce, just for its
lightness and because it works very easily. It is also the only "aircraft
grade" wood you can find. Common sources include Aircraft Spruce &
Specialty and Wicks Aircraft Supply. The cost of the wood is less than 10%
of the total cost of the airplane, and is not a place I would look to for
cutting costs.
2. What glue should I use? Nearly everyone now is using T-88 epoxy, with
good results.
3. What engine should I use? Hah! Lot's of people are using modified
Corvair engines, many use Continental aircraft engines from 65 - 100 hp, a
few use Lycomings of 108 - 115 hp, many still use the Model A Ford engine
the airplane was designed for. Your choice. The tradeoff is generally cost
vs reliability. If I lived in the midwest, where forced landings are not
generally a problem, I'd use a Model A, or a Lambert radial, or something
equally interesting. Since I live near the mountains and fly frequently
over fairly inhospitable terrain, I chose a Continental.
4. I'm 275 lbs and want to carry 400 lb passengers. Will I be able to fly
a Pietenpol out of my 1200' strip? No. Either lose a bunch of weight or
build Van's new RV-14. The Pietenpol was designed at a time when the
average pilot really was 160 lbs, and it didn't have a lot of room for them.
The inside of the cockpit is only 22" wide and the plane really doesn't have
much load carrying capability. 300fpm is a pretty average climb rate with
65 hp - less on a hot day. With 100 hp you might get as much as 500 fpm,
but it is highly dependent on load.
5. Can I add a door to the front cockpit? You can, but it adds a lot of
weight, reducing the ability to climb with that person in the front that
needed a door anyway. Better to limit your passengers to 180 lbs or less.
If they are that small they can usually manage to climb in.
6. Can I change XXX (fill in the blank, here)? Yes. It's your
Experimental airplane, so you can change anything you like. Will it fly as
well as if you built it to the plans? Almost certainly not. I've flown a
number of Pietenpols and without exception, the closer they were built to
the plans, the better they flew.
If you don't already own them, buy the 4 Tony Bingelis books: The
Sportplane Builder, Sportplane Construction Techniques, Firewall Forward,
and Tony Bingelis on Engines. Nearly every question you can have in
building an airplane can be answered in those books. They are available
from the EAA. You are an EAA member, aren't you? Even though the
leadership has changed and the organization seems to be struggling to find
its direction, it is still a worthwhile organization to belong to and is a
great storehouse of information on homebuilding.
Any other questions can be answered on this forum. Just try to answer them
first using the forum archives so you don't ask a question that was just
answered a week ago.
Good luck!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Borghese
Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 9:37 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol FAQ for this list?
Hi Everyone,
I am considering building a Pietenpol and have a million questions. Before
I waste valuable list resources asking the same questions which have already
been answered, does this list have a FAQ? I know there is a FAQ for the
mechanics of the mailing list. I am looking for a FAQ on Pietenpol
aircraft.
Thanks,
Paul Borghese
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Subject: | Re: Steel tube tail drawings |
[quote="bkemike(at)gmail.com"]At Scott Liefeld's request, I've drawn up his steel
tube tail section in AutoCAD. The design (Scott's dad's) has forty years of
well-proven functionality looking like a Piet.
The CAD file is available for free to anyone who asks.
I can send it out as a .dwg (162kb), .dxf, .pdf, or .bmp (194kb).
Mike Hardaway
> [b]
could you please send your pdf file on the steel tube tail section thanks
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Subject: | Re: Control sticks in position... |
aerocarjake wrote:
> Hello good Piet-ple,
>
> My welder (Mike, who's company is "Ready Weld") came over and finished up welding
the control assembly on Friday. I then cleaned up the parts, positioned,
drilled, and temporarily bolted the assembly where it goes in the plane. (Note:
I am using "Home Depot" fasteners until final assembly so don't fret about the
cheap carriage bolts holding it all together until then...!)
>
> Now I can sit in the plane and make airplane noises - while practicing takeoff's
and gradual turns (ha!)
>
> Regards...
Hello my name Bill BUdgell from Canada and I want to build the steel fuselage like
you did can you tell me about how you did it ... did you follow the drawings
as per all tube sizes ,is the tail all tubes and what size of tube did you
use for the tail or is it wood.
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Subject: | Re: Steel tube tail drawings |
Look back about half way through this thread and you will find the attachment with
the drawings.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Subject: | Re: Got about 1.5 hrs of piet time today |
Crap, Shad. Now you'll get WAY ahead of me again...
:)
do not archive
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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Subject: | Re: Got about 1.5 hrs of piet time today |
Kevin, the masses are getting disconcerted. And you don't want that.
We need news on your progress, FBG, and more. Cheers, Ken
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 6:56 PM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote:
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> Crap, Shad. Now you'll get WAY ahead of me again...
>
> :)
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> do not archive
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> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/San Marcos, TX
>
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> Read this topic online here:
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Subject: | Re: Got about 1.5 hrs of piet time today |
Kevin, I'm Still only at 315hrs, I have only got 15 this year.- Keep on k
eepin on, you'll probably have your Piet done before I get my Jungster done
.
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Shad
do not archive
--- On Tue, 8/14/12, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote:
From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Got about 1.5 hrs of piet time today
il>
Crap, Shad.- Now you'll get WAY ahead of me again...
:)
do not archive
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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le, List Admin.
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Subject: | Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion |
May I be as bold (have I been here long enough yet to assume this task?) as to
suggest a thread to consolidate the discussion of brakes on a piet.
I am compiling an order for steel, which has prompted my investigation of brakes,
and the various kinds, types, styles (heel, hand operated, etc) so I can order
the necessary stuff to make the pedals. However, I am unsure of a good design
to be "general" enough for converting to my plane. I see a few pictures on
WestcoastPiet.com (may Chris tracy be blessed) and yet it is somewhat left to
the imagination as to what the builder did or used for the setup.
I searched the archives, and found 62 listings for 'hydraulic' (Better than mechanical,
or just another system... worth the trouble? Hold about the same?), and
thought if we compile a list of the various brake configurations in a 'sticky'
of sorts, which can be a running list of the various configurations out there,
it might be helpful for tose following in our footsteps. In fact, it appears
that many have tread this subject before with the question "WhatdoIdo for
brakes... I fly off pavement"...?
Many folks report the brakes we are using don't hold for run up, and personally
I don't mind creeping a bit while running the engine to speed, as long as the
guy in front of me doesn't mind my prop. But, if there was a list that could
help the investigation, we could point guys like me to one thread with the details
of the various solutions the collective brainpower has amassed.
So, if anyone is interested in this idea, perhaps we can use this thread to compile
best practices, parts used, suppliers, or any other info that could help
builders with this, as most if not all of today's builders will need brakes, while
Bernard mighta coulda skipped them. If your not interested, ignore this thread
and don't flame me! :)
For starters, how about these questions:
What style wheels did you use? Spokes or small inflatable?
Size of rotors
Style (mechanical or Hydraulic)
Caliper style (round clamp style or disc/Drum)
How you'd rate the performance of them once used
Type of actuator used: Handle, pedal, use your teeth to pull a cord...
Supplier used and any part numbers suggested, etc. etc.
Many thanks in advance for those willing to participate. It might save on future
questions on the list, or at least point folks in the right direction.
Mark
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Subject: | Re: brakes for mark robert |
ok mark dont be so complicate, a bery good frien from ohio sendmy all infor
m about his piet, were buy and how to instal mayby you now hername Michael
cuy, seyou nex be in contact < finished my five ribs in two weeks, jorge fr
om hanfor=0A=0A=0AFrom: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpo
l-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 9:35 PM=0ASubject: P
ietenpol-List: Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion=0A=0A-->
Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
=0A=0AMay I be as bold (have I been here long enough yet to assume this tas
k?) as to suggest a thread to consolidate the discussion of brakes on a pie
t.=0A=0AI am compiling an order for steel, which has prompted my investigat
ion of brakes, and the various kinds, types, styles (heel, hand operated, e
tc) so I can order the necessary stuff to make the pedals. However, I am un
sure of a good design to be "general" enough for converting to my plane. I
see a few pictures on WestcoastPiet.com (may Chris tracy be blessed) and ye
t it is somewhat left to the imagination as to what the builder did or used
for the setup. =0A=0AI searched the archives, and found 62 listings for 'h
ydraulic' (Better than mechanical, or just another system... worth the trou
ble? Hold about the same?), and thought if we compile a list of the various
brake configurations in a 'sticky' of sorts, which can be a running list o
f the various configurations out there, it might be helpful for tose follow
ing in our footsteps. In fact, it appears that many have tread this subject
before with the question "WhatdoIdo for brakes... I fly off pavement"...?
=0A=0AMany folks report the brakes we are using don't hold for run up, and
personally I don't mind creeping a bit while running the engine to speed, a
s long as the guy in front of me doesn't mind my prop. But, if there was a
list that could help the investigation, we could point guys like me to one
thread with the details of the various solutions the collective brainpower
has amassed.=0A=0ASo, if anyone is interested in this idea, perhaps we can
use this thread to compile best practices, parts used, suppliers, or any ot
her info that could help builders with this, as most if not all of today's
builders will need brakes, while Bernard mighta coulda skipped them. If you
r not interested, ignore this thread and don't flame me! :) =0A=0AFor start
ers, how about these questions:=0A=0AWhat style wheels did you use? Spokes
or small inflatable?=0ASize of rotors=0AStyle (mechanical or Hydraulic)=0AC
aliper style (round clamp style or disc/Drum)=0AHow you'd rate the performa
nce of them once used=0AType of actuator used: Handle, pedal, use your teet
h to pull a cord...=0ASupplier used and any part numbers suggested, etc. et
c.=0A=0A=0AMany thanks in advance for those willing to participate. It migh
t save on future questions on the list, or at least point folks in the righ
t direction.=0A=0AMark=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp
://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380937#380937=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A
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Subject: | Re: Got about 1.5 hrs of piet time today |
Not if we can help it!
On Tue, Aug 14, 2012 at 7:56 PM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>wrote:
> kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
> Crap, Shad. Now you'll get WAY ahead of me again...
>
> :)
>
> do not archive
>
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> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/San Marcos, TX
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380929#380929
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