Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Wed 08/15/12


Total Messages Posted: 23



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 04:12 AM - Eisemann Magnito Rebuild (Michael Perez)
     2. 04:31 AM - Re: Eisemann Magnito Rebuild (helspersew@aol.com)
     3. 06:15 AM - Vintage Engine Overhaul Video (A-65) (Michael Perez)
     4. 09:01 AM - covering supplies (Ken Bickers)
     5. 09:58 AM - Re: covering supplies (kevinpurtee)
     6. 10:01 AM - Re: covering supplies (Michael Perez)
     7. 10:02 AM - Re: covering supplies (helspersew@aol.com)
     8. 10:28 AM - Re: covering supplies (Jim Markle)
     9. 10:38 AM - Re: Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion (Mark Roberts)
    10. 10:40 AM - Re: covering supplies (Ken Bickers)
    11. 10:53 AM - Re: Re: Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion (Jim Markle)
    12. 11:15 AM - Re: Control sticks in position... (aerocarjake)
    13. 11:17 AM - Re: Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion (Mark Roberts)
    14. 11:21 AM - Re: covering supplies (Jerry Dotson)
    15. 12:05 PM - Re: Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion (Michael Groah)
    16. 12:15 PM - Re: Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion (Mark Roberts)
    17. 12:32 PM - Re: Re: Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion (Michael Groah)
    18. 12:56 PM - Re: Re: Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion (Jim Markle)
    19. 01:06 PM - 10% OFF or Free Shipping. (dwilson)
    20. 01:09 PM - Re: Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion (Mark Roberts)
    21. 01:09 PM - Re: Re: Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
    22. 03:54 PM - Re: Re: covering supplies (C N Campbell)
    23. 10:45 PM - Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion (Oscar Zuniga)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:12:47 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Eisemann Magnito Rebuild
    I have two Eisemann mags. that I am rebuilding. The one I have currently ap art is the one with the impulse coupler.- These mags came from an engine with no logs and I don't know when, (if) they ran last.- The internals of this mag. look good and I have cleaned 95% of it.- Ideally, I would like to bench test the condenser and coil, but have had no luck finding someone who can do that.- I am wondering if I should replace the coil, or is thi s a part that doesn't need replacement often?- I will be replacing the co ndenser and points, as these are relatively cheap. (I'll buy these for both mags.) Any help would be appreciated. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 04:31:32 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Eisemann Magnito Rebuild
    From: helspersew@aol.com
    Mike, Poplar Grove Airmotive has a mag bench tester. I walked mine over there and they dropped everything to help me (back when I had my engine troubles). T hey ran it and it confirmed for me that the mag was good. I am not sure how many components they can test, but I suspect they "have a place". Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> Sent: Wed, Aug 15, 2012 6:13 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Eisemann Magnito Rebuild I have two Eisemann mags. that I am rebuilding. The one I have currently ap art is the one with the impulse coupler. These mags came from an engine wi th no logs and I don't know when, (if) they ran last. The internals of thi s mag. look good and I have cleaned 95% of it. Ideally, I would like to be nch test the condenser and coil, but have had no luck finding someone who c an do that. I am wondering if I should replace the coil, or is this a part that doesn't need replacement often? I will be replacing the condenser an d points, as these are relatively cheap. (I'll buy these for both mags.) Any help would be appreciated. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 06:15:32 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Vintage Engine Overhaul Video (A-65)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBLy-CcB1FQ&feature=related Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 09:01:14 AM PST US
    Subject: covering supplies
    From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
    Folks, I'm finishing up some varnishing and will be ready to begin covering in a few days or so. I'm planning on using the Stewart System. Despite a scan of the archives and the web, I haven't seen a list of the specific number of yards of fabric, different tape sizes, amounts of the wet materials, etc. needed to cover a Pietenpol. If you used the Stewart system and kept records of how much/many of the different items that were actually required, I'd be obliged if you'd post the list. I suspect it would be of use to others, as well. Cheers, Ken


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    Time: 09:58:23 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: covering supplies
    From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
    Ken - This won't be as much help as you want, but it may get you going in the right direction. My poly-fiber manual has a material list for a piet in the back and I used that. If someone has their manual handy maybe they can scan that page to you. Otherwise, I'll be at the hangar tomorrow evening with Shelley and Markle. I can get the manual and e-mail you the info. You can obviously translate from poly to stewart. My recollection is that it was pretty accurate. -------- Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380973#380973


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    Time: 10:01:16 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: covering supplies
    Ken, I do not have everything covered at this time, so I can't provide you with a list of supplies in its entirety. However, if you plan on doing your covering over a long length of time, consider that the Ecobond needs to be used within one year after you open it. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 10:02:29 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: covering supplies
    From: helspersew@aol.com
    Ken, You know my plane. I used every drop of (Stewarts) a gallon of yellow, and about 1/2 gallon of black. Of course the lighter colors take more coats. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com> Sent: Wed, Aug 15, 2012 11:01 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: covering supplies Folks, I'm finishing up some varnishing and will be ready to begin covering in a few days or so. I'm planning on using the Stewart System. Despite a scan of the archives and the web, I haven't seen a list of the specific number of yards of fabric, different tape sizes, amounts of the wet materials, etc. needed to cover a Pietenpol. If you used the Stewart system and kept records of how much/many of the different items that were actually required, I'd be obliged if you'd post the list. I suspect it would be of use to others, as well. Cheers, Ken


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    Time: 10:28:43 AM PST US
    From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: covering supplies
    I just finished covering/painting all the tail surfaces and one aileron...you can get pretty close on the fabric and tape requirements just by calculating the areas....but the real unknown (at least for me) was the amount of cement (I used Stewart Systems). I started with a quart and used almost the entire quart, there's maybe a thimble full remaining.... I'm using uncertified lightweight dacron, 1.7 oz I think. So far I've used about 3/4 of a quart of Sherwin Williams flat exterior latex top coat and maybe 1/3 quart of primer. Typicaly 2 coats of primer and 4 thin coats of top coat. Foam brush. And the color is light so, as Dan said, it probably took more top coats than a dark color. Sorry I don't have what you've really asked for but that's what I have so far... Jim in Pryor (well, San Antonio/Austin this week!) -----Original Message----- >From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com> >Sent: Aug 15, 2012 11:00 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: covering supplies > > >Folks, > >I'm finishing up some varnishing and will be ready to begin covering >in a few days or so. I'm planning on using the Stewart System. >Despite a scan of the archives and the web, I haven't seen a list of >the specific number of yards of fabric, different tape sizes, amounts >of the wet materials, etc. needed to cover a Pietenpol. If you used >the Stewart system and kept records of how much/many of the different >items that were actually required, I'd be obliged if you'd post the >list. I suspect it would be of use to others, as well. > >Cheers, Ken > >


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    Time: 10:38:14 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion
    From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
    The goal would be to have this one thread act as a future reference of all brake designs. If you reply, reply to this thread :D -------- do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380979#380979


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    Time: 10:40:59 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: covering supplies
    From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
    Thanks, guys. This is very helpful. I know this may seem odd but I'm feeling some regret about having to cover up the Piet. So a few days ago I invited a semi-professional photographer out to take some photos while it was still assembled. Here are a couple of the more artsy photos, plus one of me looking on proudly. On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 11:28 AM, Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com> wr ote: om> > > I just finished covering/painting all the tail surfaces and one aileron.. .you can get pretty close on the fabric and tape requirements just by calcu lating the areas....but the real unknown (at least for me) was the amount o f cement (I used Stewart Systems). I started with a quart and used almost the entire quart, there's maybe a thimble full remaining.... > > I'm using uncertified lightweight dacron, 1.7 oz I think. > > So far I've used about 3/4 of a quart of Sherwin Williams flat exterior l atex top coat and maybe 1/3 quart of primer. Typicaly 2 coats of primer an d 4 thin coats of top coat. Foam brush. And the color is light so, as Dan said, it probably took more top coats than a dark color. > > Sorry I don't have what you've really asked for but that's what I have so far... > > Jim in Pryor (well, San Antonio/Austin this week!) > > > -----Original Message----- >>From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com> >>Sent: Aug 15, 2012 11:00 AM >>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>Subject: Pietenpol-List: covering supplies >> >> >>Folks, >> >>I'm finishing up some varnishing and will be ready to begin covering >>in a few days or so. I'm planning on using the Stewart System. >>Despite a scan of the archives and the web, I haven't seen a list of >>the specific number of yards of fabric, different tape sizes, amounts >>of the wet materials, etc. needed to cover a Pietenpol. If you used >>the Stewart system and kept records of how much/many of the different >>items that were actually required, I'd be obliged if you'd post the >>list. I suspect it would be of use to others, as well. >> >>Cheers, Ken >> >> >> >> > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > >


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    Time: 10:53:52 AM PST US
    From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion
    If a thread includes "do not archive" wouldn't that exclude it from future reference? Or am I missing something (as usual)? -----Original Message----- >From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> >Sent: Aug 15, 2012 12:38 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion > > >The goal would be to have this one thread act as a future reference of all brake designs. If you reply, reply to this thread :D > >-------- >do not archive > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380979#380979 > >


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    Time: 11:15:12 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Control sticks in position...
    From: "aerocarjake" <flight.jake@gmail.com>
    Bill, These two posts give the best overview of my steel-tube fuselage. http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=88960&highlight=jake+schultz http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=87701&highlight=jake+schultz ...and this site has further information on the project: http://www.rotecengines.com/Projects/JakeSchultz.html -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380981#380981


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    Time: 11:17:41 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion
    From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
    Jim, You are right, it 'should' exclude it from the archives, and I shoulda caught that before posting the last reply. I added it to my signature because mosta what I post is definitely not archivable! So, I should either remove it, or delete it on the thread I am suggesting for reference on brakes! Good catch... When are you coming back to CA for a visit? I met you at the first west coast Piet gathering I went to 3 years ago. I now have a framed up fuse, and am ordering steel today. Ever travel to Fresno? Mark -------- do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380982#380982


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    Time: 11:21:15 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: covering supplies
    From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net>
    Here is what I used. The Eckobond cement was 1 gallon and I had less than a pint left. The attachment is an invoice from ACS. I had plenty without much left over except the drain grommets. I did not use any of those. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 First flight June 16,2012 Started building July, 2009 21&quot; wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380983#380983 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/4_26_10_aircraft_spruce_invoice749691_107.pdf


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    Time: 12:05:30 PM PST US
    From: Michael Groah <dskogrover@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion
    Mark,=0A=0AWe have the large spoke wheels on the Jenny style gear and we us ed a five inch mechanical go kart drum brake. ( http://www.azusaeng.com/bra kes/5brk.html#anchor%205%20brake ) They are actuated by small toe brake ped als mounted off of the sides of the fuselage and a cable that exits through the floor. I extended the brake actuating arms the brake drums came with a little to get more leverage at that point. - They work well, but wont' h old the plane at full static rpm.- I can get 2000 rpm or a little more (o n my Corvair where full static is about 2800rpm) before it starts to overco me the brakes.- For taxi and basic run up they work great and I'm happy w ith my choices.=0A=0AMike Groah=0ATulare CA=0A=0A414MV=0A=0A=0A=0A_________ _______________________=0A From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Tuesday, August 14, 2012 9:35 PM=0AS ubject: Pietenpol-List: Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion ail.com>=0A=0AMay I be as bold (have I been here long enough yet to assume this task?) as to suggest a thread to consolidate the discussion of brakes on a piet.=0A=0AI am compiling an order for steel, which has prompted my in vestigation of brakes, and the various kinds, types, styles (heel, hand ope rated, etc) so I can order the necessary stuff to make the pedals. However, I am unsure of a good design to be "general" enough for converting to my p lane. I see a few pictures on WestcoastPiet.com (may Chris tracy be blessed ) and yet it is somewhat left to the imagination as to what the builder did or used for the setup. =0A=0AI searched the archives, and found 62 listing s for 'hydraulic' (Better than mechanical, or just another system... worth the trouble? Hold about the same?), and thought if we compile a list of the various brake configurations in a 'sticky' of sorts, which can be a runnin g list of the various configurations out there, it might be helpful for tos e following in our footsteps. In fact, it appears that many have tread this subject before with the question "WhatdoIdo for brakes... I fly off paveme nt"...? =0A=0AMany folks report the brakes we are using don't hold for run up, and personally I don't mind creeping a bit while running the engine to speed, as long as the guy in front of me doesn't mind my prop. But, if ther e was a list that could help the investigation, we could point guys like me to one thread with the details of the various solutions the collective bra inpower has amassed.=0A=0ASo, if anyone is interested in this idea, perhaps we can use this thread to compile best practices, parts used, suppliers, o r any other info that could help builders with this, as most if not all of today's builders will need brakes, while Bernard mighta coulda skipped them . If your not interested, ignore this thread and don't flame me! :) =0A=0AF or starters, how about these questions:=0A=0AWhat style wheels did you use? Spokes or small inflatable?=0ASize of rotors=0AStyle (mechanical or Hydrau lic)=0ACaliper style (round clamp style or disc/Drum)=0AHow you'd rate the performance of them once used=0AType of actuator used: Handle, pedal, use y our teeth to pull a cord...=0ASupplier used and any part numbers suggested, etc. etc.=0A=0A=0AMany thanks in advance for those willing to participate. It might save on future questions on the list, or at least point folks in the right direction.=0A=0AMark=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here: =0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380937#380937=0A=0A=0A ====================


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    Time: 12:15:29 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion
    From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
    Thanks Mike: I'd like to drive down and get pics of that set up. I just placed an ACS steel order and plan to begin this weekend making little metal sparks in the barn! But, since I am ripping off your instrument panel, perhaps I can rip off your brake design too :) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380987#380987


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    Time: 12:32:11 PM PST US
    From: Michael Groah <dskogrover@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion
    Mark, you and any other Pietenpol people are always welcome to come by.- The plane is in a hangar in Porterville (KPTV).- Just let me know. =0A=0A =0AMike Groah=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Mark Rob erts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: We dnesday, August 15, 2012 12:15 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brakes: Co mprehensive Reference list and discussion=0A =0A--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>=0A=0AThanks Mike: I'd lik e to drive down and get pics of that set up. I just placed an ACS steel ord er and plan to begin this weekend making little metal sparks in the barn! B ut, since I am ripping off your instrument panel, perhaps I can rip off you r brake design too :)=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp: //forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380987#380987=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A =================


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    Time: 12:56:22 PM PST US
    From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion
    Hey Mark! Oh yes, I remember meeting both you and your wife. That was a different time for both of us, right? :-) When am I coming to CA or Fresno? Hey, trips to NorCal are always a treat and you will NEVER have to ask! And I'm really looking forward to my next trip out your way, especially with all the wonderful new Piets in the area! I hope next year to make it out to the west coast gathering whether I'm there for work or not! I actually have a job coming up in San Fran in a couple weeks and thought about getting together for a visit then, but I won't have a car. Maybe next time! JM do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> >Sent: Aug 15, 2012 1:17 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion > > >Jim, You are right, it 'should' exclude it from the archives, and I shoulda caught that before posting the last reply. I added it to my signature because mosta what I post is definitely not archivable! So, I should either remove it, or delete it on the thread I am suggesting for reference on brakes! Good catch... > >When are you coming back to CA for a visit? I met you at the first west coast Piet gathering I went to 3 years ago. I now have a framed up fuse, and am ordering steel today. Ever travel to Fresno? > >Mark > >-------- >do not archive > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380982#380982 > >


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    Time: 01:06:24 PM PST US
    Subject: 10% OFF or Free Shipping.
    From: "dwilson" <marwilson@charter.net>
    I spent the week in Paul's Aeroplane Factory at Oshkosh. We worked on the damaged control surfaces of EAA's B-17. Second time we've done that one. I always purchase some materials right after Airventure from Jim and Dondi Miller because they offer 10 % discount or free shipping on all of their materials if you order with-in 30 days. They are Poly-Fiber dealers in OHIO. There number is 877-877-3334. They also have an itemized materials list for the Pietenpol AirCamper. This is not an advertisement for Poly-Fiber, I'm just thought I would help you save some money... Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380990#380990


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    Time: 01:09:15 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion
    From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
    Wow! Good Memory! Hope to see you on a future trip. Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380991#380991


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    Time: 01:09:26 PM PST US
    From: brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com
    Subject: Re: Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion
    Hey Jim....when you coming back to SLC-Ut to soak a few $$$ from Maverick? Brian SLC-Ut Do Not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Markle Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 1:56 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion --> <jim_markle@mindspring.com> Hey Mark! Oh yes, I remember meeting both you and your wife. That was a different time for both of us, right? :-) When am I coming to CA or Fresno? Hey, trips to NorCal are always a treat and you will NEVER have to ask! And I'm really looking forward to my next trip out your way, especially with all the wonderful new Piets in the area! I hope next year to make it out to the west coast gathering whether I'm there for work or not! I actually have a job coming up in San Fran in a couple weeks and thought about getting together for a visit then, but I won't have a car. Maybe next time! JM do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> >Sent: Aug 15, 2012 1:17 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and >discussion > >--> <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> > >Jim, You are right, it 'should' exclude it from the archives, and I shoulda caught that before posting the last reply. I added it to my signature because mosta what I post is definitely not archivable! So, I should either remove it, or delete it on the thread I am suggesting for reference on brakes! Good catch... > >When are you coming back to CA for a visit? I met you at the first west coast Piet gathering I went to 3 years ago. I now have a framed up fuse, and am ordering steel today. Ever travel to Fresno? > >Mark > >-------- >do not archive > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380982#380982 > >


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    Time: 03:54:43 PM PST US
    From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net>
    Subject: Re: covering supplies
    Kevin, I scanned a copy for him on your suggestion. He received it OK so there is no reason for you to worry about it. Hope you're doing as well as you look! Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 12:58 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: covering supplies > <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> > > Ken - This won't be as much help as you want, but it may get you going in > the right direction. My poly-fiber manual has a material list for a piet > in the back and I used that. If someone has their manual handy maybe they > can scan that page to you. Otherwise, I'll be at the hangar tomorrow > evening with Shelley and Markle. I can get the manual and e-mail you the > info. You can obviously translate from poly to stewart. My recollection > is that it was pretty accurate. > > -------- > Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/San Marcos, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=380973#380973 > > >


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    Time: 10:45:26 PM PST US
    From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Brakes: Comprehensive Reference list and discussion
    Mark: You've probably heard all of this before but I'll repeat it again=2C for NX 41CC (aka=2C "Scout")- We have the Cub-style gear with 6.00x6 tires and wheels and ex-Cessna/Cleve land hydraulic brakes. Actuation in the cockpit is exactly per the buildin g tips provided by Bill Rewey=2C which uses standard masters (Matco or simi lar) with toe actuation and differential braking. It's very simple. I use d to hate hydraulic brakes because of the mess and fuss=2C but after gettin g them lined out=2C there is no mess=2C no fuss. I can hold Scout at a ful l-throttle runup indefinitely... on grass or asphalt. I can turn the airpl ane on a dime=2C taxi it in and out of parked airplanes on the ramp and up to the yellow marks at the gas pumps with military precision=2C work it in a crosswind landing=2C turn off where I want to turn off in a gust or a bre eze=2C and in general I REALLY like having effective brakes with very littl e muss=2C fuss=2C and bother. Not sure I would be happy with mechanical br akes=2C but then again I've never flown with them. When I riveted new pads (Rapco) on the brakes some time ago=2C I read up on the break-in procedure and was a bit put off by all the hoopla. Turned ou t to be a no-brainer because no matter how briskly I taxied down the runway before dragging and holding the brakes to heat them up for break-in=2C no sooner would I jump out and touch the brake parts expecting to get burned =2C than I was surprised that they weren't all that hot. These brakes came off a Cessna 172 Skyhawk so they are ample for the task on an airplane tha t is about half the gross weight of a 172=2C but the point is that I love m y hydraulic brakes. I can't imagine not having the ability to "hold short" when the need arises=2C hold for runup=2C and help steer my airplane with brakes when gusty x-winds call for it=2C although all of that is much easie r in grass than on pavement. And did I mention that I absolutely LOVE flyi ng Scout off the grass??!! In the grass I don't use the brakes hardly at a ll=2C except for runup (when the sod is dry). Put me in the "HAVE BRAKES=2C CAN HOLD SHORT" column and let's see what the others bring on. And I routed my (plastic) hydraulic lines behind the gea r legs and out of the way of tall grass=2C weeds=2C and other 'gotchas' jus t waiting to snag a hydraulic line on rollout=2C and I recommend that other s do the same. Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" Medford=2C OR website at http://www.flysquirrel.net




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