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1. 01:52 AM - Re: Stromberg for sale (John Francis)
2. 03:05 AM - Re: Stromberg for sale (Bill Church)
3. 03:19 AM - Re: Re: Stromberg for sale (Ryan Mueller)
4. 03:21 AM - Re: Stromberg for sale (Ryan Mueller)
5. 04:06 AM - Re: Adieu (helspersew@aol.com)
6. 04:46 AM - Scout out a Scout (curtdm(at)gmail.com)
7. 05:21 AM - Re: Re: Stromberg for sale (Gary Boothe)
8. 05:41 AM - Re: A65 pushrod housing connectors (Michael Perez)
9. 06:33 AM - Aluminum Strut fittings (Greg Bacon)
10. 07:20 AM - Re: Aluminum Strut fittings (helspersew@aol.com)
11. 08:35 AM - Re: Aluminum Strut fittings (Jim Markle)
12. 09:27 AM - Re: Aluminum Strut fittings (AircamperN11MS)
13. 10:54 AM - Re: Re: Aluminum Strut fittings (Jim Markle)
14. 11:01 AM - Re: Aluminum Strut fittings (AircamperN11MS)
15. 11:06 AM - Re: Re: Aluminum Strut fittings (Michael Perez)
16. 11:36 AM - I am now a man of steel! (Mark Roberts)
17. 01:13 PM - Re: Aluminum Strut fittings (helspersew@aol.com)
18. 02:04 PM - Re: Fw: Adieu (Ray Krause)
19. 02:17 PM - Re: I am now a man of steel! (aerocarjake)
20. 05:14 PM - Re: I am now a man of steel! (Gary Boothe)
21. 06:58 PM - Re: A65 pushrod housing connectors (biplan53)
22. 09:02 PM - Son-in-law-to-be sits in Piet... film at 11:00... (Mark Roberts)
23. 09:37 PM - Re: Scout out a Scout (tdudley@umn.edu)
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| Subject: | Re: Stromberg for sale |
Ryan,
I sent you a private message.
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John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: Stromberg for sale |
Ryan,
John sent you a public message saying that he sent you a private message.
:)
BC
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| Subject: | Re: Stromberg for sale |
Bill,
Saw that actually. Dan Y woke the girls up early and had them whip a
little drawing to let me know, then had Ugela efax that over before
she could even have her first cup of joe. I would reply to Dan in
confirmation, but he's probably balled up in the fetal position now,
whimpering softly. As such, I'm going to stop at a Western Union and
send Gary B a telegram, to see if he can forward the message to Safety
Dan, and have climb to the highest spot in the land down there in TN
to relay it via semaphore....with the bright yellow shirt he should be
easy enough to spot....well, in the surrounding 38 states and Canada
at least. Thanks for the heads up,
Ryan
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 17, 2012, at 5:07 AM, Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> Ryan,
>
> John sent you a public message saying that he sent you a private message.
>
> :)
>
> BC
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381061#381061
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Stromberg for sale |
FYI, got a commitment on the carb. Thanks,
Ryan
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 16, 2012, at 9:29 PM, Ryan Mueller <rmueller23@gmail.com> wrote:
Evening all,
I had the opportunity to spend a few days at OSH this year, so I hit the
Aeromart looking for carbs suitable for Corvair use. I found an appropriate
Stromberg with the mixture pieces tied to it (if one was so inclined). I
went ahead and snatched it up, figuring that some Corvaircrafter (or small
Continental user) out there
might need one. I popped the top, it is intact, with no visible bowl
corrosion from ethanol use. I paid $250 for it, I am asking $250 for it,
and you pay for shipping. Let me know, thanks...
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/stromberg1.JPG
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/stromberg2.JPG
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/stromberg3.JPG
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/stromberg4.JPG
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2314248/stromberg5.jpg
Ryan
Ryan Mueller
rmueller23@gmail.com
*
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Larry,
I for one am sad to see you take leave from the list. Who is going to keep
us in line? Egads are we expected to self-police?
Have fun sir. We are with you in spirit and I suspect would all like to be
doing the same thing. See you next year at Brodhead with the Skyscout.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Lawrence Williams <lnawms@yahoo.com>
Sent: Thu, Aug 16, 2012 7:28 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fw: Adieu
I hereby relinquish my title and standing as Top Curmudgeon to an ad hoc gr
oup until such time as I return to this list.
My current passion is paragliding and the attendant travel to foreign and o
ut-of-the-way places sometimes makes it difficult to find wi-fi hotspots. E
ven if I have access to a computer, time is usually limited so wading throu
gh email is cumbersome. I want to enjoy this type of flying for as long as
my old body will hold up so I am simplifying my life as much as I can so I
can devote time and energy to that end.
The irony to this is that I just bought a Sky Scout project! I'll work on i
t when I'm home as time permits. So you see, I haven't given up on the marq
ue and I still have a big surprise in mind for next year at Brodhead.
Until later:
1. Build to the plans.
2. Build light.
3. Don't add any stupid stuff.
4. Archive all you want!
Larry Williams
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| Subject: | Scout out a Scout |
Is there anyone on the list that is near St. Cloud, MN who could take a look at
a Scout project for me?
--------
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
Do Not Archive
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| Subject: | Re: Stromberg for sale |
Gotta drive to the SF Bay Area today...I'll stop by Western Union...
It's calm weather...good day for sky writing, too.
Gary from Cool
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan Mueller
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 3:20 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Stromberg for sale
Bill,
Saw that actually. Dan Y woke the girls up early and had them whip a
little drawing to let me know, then had Ugela efax that over before
she could even have her first cup of joe. I would reply to Dan in
confirmation, but he's probably balled up in the fetal position now,
whimpering softly. As such, I'm going to stop at a Western Union and
send Gary B a telegram, to see if he can forward the message to Safety
Dan, and have climb to the highest spot in the land down there in TN
to relay it via semaphore....with the bright yellow shirt he should be
easy enough to spot....well, in the surrounding 38 states and Canada
at least. Thanks for the heads up,
Ryan
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 17, 2012, at 5:07 AM, Bill Church <billspiet@sympatico.ca> wrote:
<billspiet@sympatico.ca>
>
> Ryan,
>
> John sent you a public message saying that he sent you a private message.
>
> :)
>
> BC
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381061#381061
>
>
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| Subject: | A65 pushrod housing connectors |
http://www.brewcitytools.com/klein-d514-8.htm
Link to the tool I have. Has provisions to grab rings while holding he tool
horizontal or vertical.-
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Aluminum Strut fittings |
Dan,
Did you use the small struts from Carlson Aircraft? And, what did you
figure for safe thread depth of the J3 forks? I couldn't find a minimum
thread depth chart for steel bolts into aluminum. A typical rule of thumb
for steel-in-steel is one thread diameter minimum to match the full
strength of the bolt. I would assume steel-in-aluminum to be more than
that since aluminum isn't quite as strong as steel. Aluminum is also
subject to fatigue over the long haul, so overkill would be good here.
Saw your piet at Brodhead this year. Looks beautiful!
Thanks,
--
Greg Bacon
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Strut fittings |
Hi Greg,
Thank you for the kind words. I have attached a pic of the fitting. This is
a J-3 fork. If you can get a drawing of that fork you will be able to eye-
ball how much thread engagement I have there. Yes I used the small struts f
rom Carlson. This set-up is working well so far. If I can be of further ser
vice let me know.
Dan H
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67@gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:33 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Strut fittings
Dan,
Did you use the small struts from Carlson Aircraft? And, what did you figu
re for safe thread depth of the J3 forks? I couldn't find a minimum thread
depth chart for steel bolts into aluminum. A typical rule of thumb for st
eel-in-steel is one thread diameter minimum to match the full strength of t
he bolt. I would assume steel-in-aluminum to be more than that since alumi
num isn't quite as strong as steel. Aluminum is also subject to fatigue ov
er the long haul, so overkill would be good here.
Saw your piet at Brodhead this year. Looks beautiful!
Thanks,
--
Greg Bacon
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Strut fittings |
Hey Dan,
During your final assembly, did you actually have to make adjustments to all 4
forks? I'm wondering if you could be really careful with all the strut lengths
and maybe only need to make adjustments to the rear struts?
Am I thinking right or is adjustment on all 4 absolutely necessary? I would like
to avoid buying those $80 fittings if their not going to get much use....
Your (or anyone's!) thoughts?
JM
-----Original Message-----
From: helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Aug 17, 2012 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Strut fittings
Hi Greg,
Thank you for the kind words. I have attached a pic of the fitting. This is a J-3
fork. If you can get a drawing of that fork you will be able to eye-ball how
much thread engagement I have there. Yes I used the small struts from Carlson.
This set-up is working well so far. If I can be of further service let me know.
Dan H
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67@gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:33 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Strut fittings
Dan,
Did you use the small struts from Carlson Aircraft? And, what did you figure for
safe thread depth of the J3 forks? I couldn't find a minimum thread depth
chart for steel bolts into aluminum. A typical rule of thumb for steel-in-steel
is one thread diameter minimum to match the full strength of the bolt. I would
assume steel-in-aluminum to be more than that since aluminum isn't quite
as strong as steel. Aluminum is also subject to fatigue over the long haul, so
overkill would be good here.
Saw your piet at Brodhead this year. Looks beautiful!
Thanks,
--
Greg Bacon
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Strut fittings |
I have fixed struts on the front and adjustable on the rear to set washout. It
is a pretty standard way of building lift struts.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Strut fittings |
Makes total sense to me.
thanks Scott!
do not archive
-----Original Message-----
>From: AircamperN11MS <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
>Sent: Aug 17, 2012 11:27 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Strut fittings
>
>
>I have fixed struts on the front and adjustable on the rear to set washout. It
is a pretty standard way of building lift struts.
>
>--------
>Scott Liefeld
>Flying N11MS since March 1972
>Steel Tube
>C-85-12
>Wire Wheels
>Brodhead in 1996
>
>
>Read this topic online here:
>
>http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381085#381085
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Strut fittings |
Use your front struts to set your dihedral if you have any and rears for washout.
You can also correct a heavy wing issue with the rear strut adjustment. I
have a three piece wing and have dihedral.
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Strut fittings |
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/appages/wingliftstrutforks.php
Link to Aeronca forks. These are the forks I will be flying with.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | I am now a man of steel! |
Do Not Archive
This is purely fluff. My first steel order came today, and it's kinda funny: I
now believe I will finish and fly my Piet.
I can actually buy aircraft grade spruce locally. So ordering that was a no brainer.
But steel... that is a foreign language. I have never worked with steel,
so it is a new and foreign substance, and while I have built complex things like
3 axis mills and such from scratch, from my own design, it was out of aluminum
80/20 struts that bolted together.
This stuff here requires welding... a new skill. I am completely comfortable cutting,
gluing, and working with wood in every way. Steel.... well, epoxy doesn't
hold as well on steel. so, I gotta learn to weld. No biggie: I got the Tin
man 4130 2 tape set to watch (years ago) and some practice pieces from ACS, so
I'm good to go there.
But just knowing I figured out what to order (gauge vs decimal) and getting it
here seemed to be a challenge for me. Dunno if anyone else had that kinda mental
block, but it was really a hurdle for me for some odd reason.
Just to show you how different we all can be: A friend of mine from church just
retired as a city cop. He told me once that he had a side business welding tanks
and such for wineries in the central valley of CA where we live. I'm thinking
a small outfit where he travels and does this small business.
So I called him yesterday to let him know I wanted to take him up on borrowing
his gas welding set up as my steel would arrive soon. He tells me to come by his
'shop'. This feller has a full blown CNC machining/welding/metal shop! Had
NO idea. He had offered to help me with anything I needed to finish the plane.
While I feel I can do the initial welding, I think the LG and the Motor mounts
would be helpful to have him along...
So, (and here's the point), he tells me "I would be SO uncomfortable working with
wood. Completely out of my element. I am so uncomfortable with wood I would
never even try working with it..."
Go figure: COMPLETELY opposite of me.
That's why we have 5 fingers on a hand: each serves it's purpose.
Now, where's that torch...
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| Subject: | Re: Aluminum Strut fittings |
Jim,
If you are careful maybe you can get away with it. A laser level would be v
ery helpful. Then you could be sure of what you are doing.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:36 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Strut fittings
>
Hey Dan,
During your final assembly, did you actually have to make adjustments to al
l 4
forks? I'm wondering if you could be really careful with all the strut len
gths
and maybe only need to make adjustments to the rear struts?
Am I thinking right or is adjustment on all 4 absolutely necessary? I woul
d
like to avoid buying those $80 fittings if their not going to get much use.
...
Your (or anyone's!) thoughts?
JM
-----Original Message-----
From: helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Aug 17, 2012 9:19 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Strut fittings
Hi Greg,
Thank you for the kind words. I have attached a pic of the fitting. This is
a
J-3 fork. If you can get a drawing of that fork you will be able to eye-bal
l how
much thread engagement I have there. Yes I used the small struts from Carls
on.
This set-up is working well so far. If I can be of further service let me k
now.
Dan H
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67@gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:33 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Strut fittings
Dan,
Did you use the small struts from Carlson Aircraft? And, what did you figu
re
for safe thread depth of the J3 forks? I couldn't find a minimum thread de
pth
chart for steel bolts into aluminum. A typical rule of thumb for steel-in-
steel
is one thread diameter minimum to match the full strength of the bolt. I w
ould
assume steel-in-aluminum to be more than that since aluminum isn't quite as
strong as steel. Aluminum is also subject to fatigue over the long haul, s
o
overkill would be good here.
Saw your piet at Brodhead this year. Looks beautiful!
Thanks,
--
Greg Bacon
" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List
tp://forums.matronics.com
_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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Dear Curmudgeon,
Please give a little more info on the Sky Scout project! Since I am now abo
ut 1/2 way through building one (fuselage,tail sections, center section, 1/
2 the wing and landing gear and tail wheel done). I plan on getti
ng the other half of the wing done this fall, then the struts and rigging.
Have the A65 and prop. All built strictly to plans, including the landing g
ear. Even the A65 is OK since the plans came with t the mount drawings!
All Sky Scout guys should hang together, we certainly are a minority!
Ray Krause
Colusa, CA
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 16, 2012, at 5:27 PM, Lawrence Williams <lnawms@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> I hereby relinquish my title and standing as Top Curmudgeon to an ad hoc g
roup until such time as I return to this list.
>
> My current passion is paragliding and the attendant travel to foreign and o
ut-of-the-way places sometimes makes it difficult to find wi-fi hotspots. Ev
en if I have access to a computer, time is usually limited so wading through
email is cumbersome. I want to enjoy this type of flying for as long as my o
ld body will hold up so I am simplifying my life as much as I can so I can d
evote time and energy to that end.
>
> The irony to this is that I just bought a Sky Scout project! I'll work on i
t when I'm home as time permits. So you see, I haven't given up on the marqu
e and I still have a big surprise in mind for next year at Brodhead.
>
> Until later:
> 1. Build to the plans.
> 2. Build light.
> 3. Don't add any stupid stuff.
> 4. Archive all you want!
>
> Larry Williams
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: I am now a man of steel! |
that's really super, man.......!
--------
Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | I am now a man of steel! |
Man of Steel,
Stay away from the kryptonite! Congratulations on diving into new territory!
Gary from Cool
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 11:36 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: I am now a man of steel!
Do Not Archive
This is purely fluff. My first steel order came today, and it's kinda funny:
I now believe I will finish and fly my Piet.
I can actually buy aircraft grade spruce locally. So ordering that was a no
brainer. But steel... that is a foreign language. I have never worked with
steel, so it is a new and foreign substance, and while I have built complex
things like 3 axis mills and such from scratch, from my own design, it was
out of aluminum 80/20 struts that bolted together.
This stuff here requires welding... a new skill. I am completely comfortable
cutting, gluing, and working with wood in every way. Steel.... well, epoxy
doesn't hold as well on steel. so, I gotta learn to weld. No biggie: I got
the Tin man 4130 2 tape set to watch (years ago) and some practice pieces
from ACS, so I'm good to go there.
But just knowing I figured out what to order (gauge vs decimal) and getting
it here seemed to be a challenge for me. Dunno if anyone else had that kinda
mental block, but it was really a hurdle for me for some odd reason.
Just to show you how different we all can be: A friend of mine from church
just retired as a city cop. He told me once that he had a side business
welding tanks and such for wineries in the central valley of CA where we
live. I'm thinking a small outfit where he travels and does this small
business.
So I called him yesterday to let him know I wanted to take him up on
borrowing his gas welding set up as my steel would arrive soon. He tells me
to come by his 'shop'. This feller has a full blown CNC
machining/welding/metal shop! Had NO idea. He had offered to help me with
anything I needed to finish the plane. While I feel I can do the initial
welding, I think the LG and the Motor mounts would be helpful to have him
along...
So, (and here's the point), he tells me "I would be SO uncomfortable working
with wood. Completely out of my element. I am so uncomfortable with wood I
would never even try working with it..."
Go figure: COMPLETELY opposite of me.
That's why we have 5 fingers on a hand: each serves it's purpose.
Now, where's that torch...
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| Subject: | Re: A65 pushrod housing connectors |
You can go to NAPA and get the pliers to use on hog rings. A fiend of mine had
to work on a C-85 the other day with new ECI cylinders it had new green seals
on the tubes with screws on them that used a screw driver to tighten. I just
called him and he didn't know what brand they were, but he said when you put the
seals on they better be clean and dry or they will leak.[/b]
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Building steel fuselage aircamper.
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| Subject: | Son-in-law-to-be sits in Piet... film at 11:00... |
Just needs a scarf and a skull cap!
He was trying to sit so that he'd go faster... I had to explain Low and
Slow to him...
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| Subject: | Re: Scout out a Scout |
Curt,
I live in Alexandria which is about an hour away. I am building a Piet as my first
project so I don't know if that qualifies me for what you have in mind, but
I can offer my help.
Tom
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