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1. 05:45 AM - Re: Aluminum Strut fittings (Jim Markle)
2. 05:57 AM - Re: Aluminum Strut fittings (Ken Bickers)
3. 06:05 AM - Re: Aluminum Strut fittings (Jim Markle)
4. 06:06 AM - Re: Son-in-law-to-be sits in Piet... film at 11:00... (Gary Boothe)
5. 06:19 AM - Re: Aluminum Strut fittings (l.morlock)
6. 12:24 PM - big numbers (bender)
7. 12:35 PM - Re: big numbers (Jim Markle)
8. 02:32 PM - Re: big numbers (Jack@textors.com)
9. 04:23 PM - BFR's......first flights? (helspersew@aol.com)
10. 04:30 PM - Re: BFR's......first flights? (gboothe5@comcast.net)
11. 07:53 PM - Re: Scout out a Scout (curtdm(at)gmail.com)
12. 09:59 PM - Re: BFR's......first flights? (Mark Roberts)
13. 10:01 PM - Re: big numbers (Mark Roberts)
14. 10:23 PM - Re: Control sticks in position... (Mark Roberts)
15. 10:33 PM - Re: Re: big numbers (jorge lizarraga)
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Subject: | Re: Aluminum Strut fittings |
Jim, I started off using a laser pointer when setting the dihedral. I
found it hard to use, due to jiggling of the pointer at one end and
the widening of the light by the time it got to the other end. After
an hour or so of frustration, I went to the local sporting goods store
and bought some high-test, non-stretch fishing line. Then I tied that
to a stick that could be clamped at one of the wing and pulled very
tight to a stick clamped to the end of the other wing. That made the
whole thing easy, though I never did catch a fish. Cheers, Ken
On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com> wrote:
> Thanks Dan, I'll give that a try.
>
> helspersew@aol.com wrote:
> Jim,
>
> If you are careful maybe you can get away with it. A laser level would be
> very helpful. Then you could be sure of what you are doing.
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:36 am
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Strut fittings
>
>
> Hey Dan,
>
> During your final assembly, did you actually have to make adjustments to all
> 4
> forks? I'm wondering if you could be really careful with all the strut
> lengths
> and maybe only need to make adjustments to the rear struts?
>
> Am I thinking right or is adjustment on all 4 absolutely necessary? I would
> like to avoid buying those $80 fittings if their not going to get much
> use....
>
> Your (or anyone's!) thoughts?
>
> JM
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: helspersew@aol.com
> Sent: Aug 17, 2012 9:19 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Strut fittings
>
>
> Hi Greg,
>
> Thank you for the kind words. I have attached a pic of the fitting. This is
> a
> J-3 fork. If you can get a drawing of that fork you will be able to eye-ball
> how
> much thread engagement I have there. Yes I used the small struts from
> Carlson.
> This set-up is working well so far. If I can be of further service let me
> know.
>
> Dan H
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67@gmail.com>
> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:33 am
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Strut fittings
>
>
> Dan,
>
>
> Did you use the small struts from Carlson Aircraft? And, what did you
> figure
> for safe thread depth of the J3 forks? I couldn't find a minimum thread
> depth
> chart for steel bolts into aluminum. A typical rule of thumb for
> steel-in-steel
> is one thread diameter minimum to match the full strength of the bolt. I
> would
> assume steel-in-aluminum to be more than that since aluminum isn't quite as
> strong as steel. Aluminum is also subject to fatigue over the long haul, so
> overkill would be good here.
>
>
> Saw your piet at Brodhead this year. Looks beautiful!
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Greg Bacon
>
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Subject: | Son-in-law-to-be sits in Piet... film at 11:00... |
He's interested..that's a good sign.might be a keeper.
Gary from Cool
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Friday, August 17, 2012 9:02 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Son-in-law-to-be sits in Piet... film at 11:00...
Just needs a scarf and a skull cap!
He was trying to sit so that he'd go faster... I had to explain Low and Slow
to him...
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Subject: | Re: Aluminum Strut fittings |
Or use a "bunyip" aka water level. Buy a length of clear plastic tubing at
the hardware store, fill it with water (almost), find a helper, hold it up
to the wing, then observe the level of the water on each end of the tube to
find level or whatever amount of dihedral you want.
Larry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ken Bickers" <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 8:57 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Strut fittings
>
> Jim, I started off using a laser pointer when setting the dihedral. I
> found it hard to use, due to jiggling of the pointer at one end and
> the widening of the light by the time it got to the other end. After
> an hour or so of frustration, I went to the local sporting goods store
> and bought some high-test, non-stretch fishing line. Then I tied that
> to a stick that could be clamped at one of the wing and pulled very
> tight to a stick clamped to the end of the other wing. That made the
> whole thing easy, though I never did catch a fish. Cheers, Ken
>
> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
> wrote:
>> Thanks Dan, I'll give that a try.
>>
>> helspersew@aol.com wrote:
>> Jim,
>>
>> If you are careful maybe you can get away with it. A laser level would be
>> very helpful. Then you could be sure of what you are doing.
>>
>> Dan Helsper
>> Puryear, TN
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:36 am
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Strut fittings
>>
>> <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>>
>> Hey Dan,
>>
>> During your final assembly, did you actually have to make adjustments to
>> all
>> 4
>> forks? I'm wondering if you could be really careful with all the strut
>> lengths
>> and maybe only need to make adjustments to the rear struts?
>>
>> Am I thinking right or is adjustment on all 4 absolutely necessary? I
>> would
>> like to avoid buying those $80 fittings if their not going to get much
>> use....
>>
>> Your (or anyone's!) thoughts?
>>
>> JM
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: helspersew@aol.com
>> Sent: Aug 17, 2012 9:19 AM
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Strut fittings
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Greg,
>>
>> Thank you for the kind words. I have attached a pic of the fitting. This
>> is
>> a
>> J-3 fork. If you can get a drawing of that fork you will be able to
>> eye-ball
>> how
>> much thread engagement I have there. Yes I used the small struts from
>> Carlson.
>> This set-up is working well so far. If I can be of further service let me
>> know.
>>
>> Dan H
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67@gmail.com>
>> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:33 am
>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Strut fittings
>>
>>
>> Dan,
>>
>>
>> Did you use the small struts from Carlson Aircraft? And, what did you
>> figure
>> for safe thread depth of the J3 forks? I couldn't find a minimum thread
>> depth
>> chart for steel bolts into aluminum. A typical rule of thumb for
>> steel-in-steel
>> is one thread diameter minimum to match the full strength of the bolt. I
>> would
>> assume steel-in-aluminum to be more than that since aluminum isn't quite
>> as
>> strong as steel. Aluminum is also subject to fatigue over the long haul,
>> so
>> overkill would be good here.
>>
>>
>> Saw your piet at Brodhead this year. Looks beautiful!
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> --
>> Greg Bacon
>>
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Did a little painting today..
I've always liked the look of the wing registration numbers but wasn't sure if
i'd put em on the piet...
i decided why not..
Jeff
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I like it, well done! NX1929T for mine...
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Jack Textor
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On Aug 18, 2012, at 2:34 PM, Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com> wrote:
> I say you decided right! Let's see some pictures!
> bender <jfaith@solairusaviation.com> wrote:
>
> Did a little painting today..
> I've always liked the look of the wing registration numbers but wasn't sure if
i'd put em on the piet...
> i decided why not..
>
> Jeff
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Subject: | BFR's......first flights? |
Gary and Douwe-
Waiting..............to hear how those BFR's are coming and ultimately.....
...first flights?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Subject: | Re: BFR's......first flights? |
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Subject: | Re: Scout out a Scout |
Tom, Thanks for offering to help out. I think I've got it covered for right now.
If it falls thru, I might have to give you a call. The next time I'm visiting
my parents in Albany, I'll have to make a trip up to Alex to see your progress.
--------
Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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Subject: | Re: BFR's......first flights? |
More than just Dan waiting and watching... How's a guy suppose to fan the flame
of hope and optimism if you guys don't post your flight successes :D
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Ooooowwww! Veeerrry nice! And the wing numbers look great too! But that shop floor,
and the size! Where was that taken Jeff?
Kidding aside, those numbers look very clean. How'd you do them?
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Subject: | Re: Control sticks in position... |
Hi Jake!
I am very interested in your brake set up. Do you have other pictures of the pedals
and cylinders? Where'd you get those toe brake pedals? :D
Very nice. I am planning my brake assembly now, and am trying to determine who's
design I want to steal...er... Imitate :)
Thanks!
Mark
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hello marl I hope your stared wellding these is fun and bery relaxed finish
ed my 10 rib in 18 day I know Im backwars but one those day fly my firs mis
sion, seyou nex jorge from hanford=0A=0A=0AFrom: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@
gmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Saturday, August 18,
2012 10:01 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: big numbers=0A=0A--> Pietenpo
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wwww! Veeerrry nice! And the wing numbers look great too! But that shop flo
or, and the size! Where was that taken Jeff? =0A=0AKidding aside, those num
bers look very clean. How'd you do them?=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic onli
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