---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 08/19/12: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:33 AM - Piper Parts Fore Sale (Michael Perez) 2. 09:23 AM - Re: BFR's......first flights? (kevinpurtee) 3. 11:09 AM - Re: BFR's......first flights? (Mark Roberts) 4. 11:12 AM - Re: big numbers (bender) 5. 01:23 PM - Re: big numbers (Mark Roberts) 6. 02:56 PM - Slow speed rush to 1st flight (Gary Boothe) 7. 03:26 PM - Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight (dwilson) 8. 03:44 PM - Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight (helspersew@aol.com) 9. 03:54 PM - Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight (Mark Roberts) 10. 04:02 PM - Re: Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight (Gary Boothe) 11. 04:14 PM - Re: Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight (Gary Boothe) 12. 04:16 PM - Re: Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight (Gary Boothe) 13. 04:34 PM - Re: Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight (helspersew@aol.com) 14. 04:56 PM - Re: Re: big numbers (V Groah) 15. 06:52 PM - Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight (Mark Roberts) 16. 07:52 PM - Re: More Pietenpol Roots in Oklahoma (K5YAC) 17. 08:23 PM - Re: Aluminum Strut fittings (Jim Markle) 18. 09:09 PM - Re: Aluminum Strut fittings (Billy McCaskill) 19. 09:32 PM - Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight (Chris) 20. 10:58 PM - Re: Re: big numbers and alot ribs too (jorge lizarraga) 21. 11:43 PM - Is anyone going to MERFI (shad bell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:04 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piper Parts Fore Sale Attached is a-list of parts for sale perhaps some of you, or someone you know, can make use of. These are not mine, but if interested, contact me of f list and I will put you in touch with the seller. - Thanks. - Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:46 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: BFR's......first flights? From: "kevinpurtee" Having talked to both these guys about 1st flights, I promise you they are approaching the events patiently and with appropriate due-diligence. They'll go when they've got their stuff together, to their credit. Of course, I want them to go fly, too:). -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381250#381250 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:09:07 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: BFR's......first flights? From: "Mark Roberts" True words Kevin! Hope you are mending quickly and FBG begins her healing soon! Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381258#381258 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:12:43 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: big numbers From: "bender" this little shop ?? i work on corporate jets for a living... this hangar will hold a citation..a G4 and a falcon 2000 with plenty of room for the piet.. i'm lucky enough to be able to keep my plane in the hangar.. and build it here...part of the reason its gone together fast.... its accessible i made a stencil for the numbers based on the info on the Westcoastpiet site By the way... this is all that crazy latex paint jeff http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Construction/Markings%20pg%202.pdf i thought i was going to use the outline of the "8" but it was eaiser to use the "8" that i cut out..... traced with a pencil and the painted with a foam brush.. 30" tall 20" wide and 5" width on the letters and numbers Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381259#381259 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:23:42 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: big numbers From: "Mark Roberts" Well Brother, the secret's out... Now we can all have perfect numbers! :D but we can't all have a perfect shop like yours... Very nice Jeff. And thanks for the info. I forgot about the west coast Piet files like this. I'm off to get my own now! Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381271#381271 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:56:52 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Slow speed rush to 1st flight In typical Pietenpol fashion, the taxi tests continue at slow and careful rate. Phase 1 taxi was for 2 hrs at 5mph. A slight problem developed with the tail wheel, which was easily remedied by a different washer arrangement (Curt - a lot of the vibration is now gone!). Today began Phase 2 - two hours at 10-15mph. For a passenger, I had the esteemed Chris Tracy. Airport visitor traffic was heavy, making any work difficult. Brakes are ineffectual, but Dan Helsper led me to some nice brake linings that will need to be riveted on before further taxi. Curt Merdan had suggested that my master switch appeared vulnerable, and, sure enough, I must have bumped it with my knee the last time I got out.this morning, switch was ON and battery was dead. I put the charger on for a few hours before Chris showed up, but it was only enough to get a little juice back in the battery.had to hand prop my Corvair! Nice to know that it's possible. For me, this time is proving valuable. Gary Boothe NX308MB ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 03:26:13 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight From: "dwilson" Gary, How is the prop pulling? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381280#381280 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:44:05 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Slow speed rush to 1st flight From: helspersew@aol.com Gary, Good to hear of your progress. As you well know, the punch list will go on for some time, adding at the top and scratching off at the bottom. This is to be expected with a custom-built "anything". After two years, I finally f eel like I have a viable airplane with many of the major problems solved. W ith luck, yours will be minor. Keep plodding along.............. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: Sun, Aug 19, 2012 4:57 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Slow speed rush to 1st flight In typical Pietenpol fashion, the taxi tests continue at slow and careful r ate. Phase 1 taxi was for 2 hrs at 5mph. A slight problem developed with the tai l wheel, which was easily remedied by a different washer arrangement (Curt =93 a lot of the vibration is now gone!). Today began Phase 2 =93 two hours at 10-15mph. For a passenger, I had the esteemed Chris Tracy. Airport visitor traffic was heavy, making any wo rk difficult. Brakes are ineffectual, but Dan Helsper led me to some nice b rake linings that will need to be riveted on before further taxi. Curt Merd an had suggested that my master switch appeared vulnerable, and, sure enoug h, I must have bumped it with my knee the last time I got outthis morning, switch was ON and battery was dead. I put the charger on for a few hours before Chris showed up, but it was only enough to get a little juice back in the batteryhad to hand prop my Corvair! Nice to know that it=99s possible For me, this time is proving valuable. Gary Boothe NX308MB ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:54:51 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight From: "Mark Roberts" Wow! How fun... Hope Chris can make another West Coast Piet gathering again... Maybe next year you can fly him down too! :D Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381283#381283 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:02:33 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight Forward. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dwilson Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 3:26 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight Gary, How is the prop pulling? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381280#381280 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:14:47 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight Mark , One of the airport bums (I get to say that now, 'cuz I'm one) that stopped by today, asked if we ever had an annual get-together in California. Even though he doesn't have a Piet, he'd like to join us where-ever we are. I'd love for The Word to spread about Charlie's wing-ding! Today was the first time that Chris sat in a moving Pietenpol!! While sitting in front of me, I shot him in the butt with some Pietenpol lemonade! Hopefully, he'll get back to it, though he definitely has his hands full with work and family... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 3:55 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight --> Wow! How fun... Hope Chris can make another West Coast Piet gathering again... Maybe next year you can fly him down too! :D Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381283#381283 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:16:36 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight Sorry, Dan...couldn't resist... The last static test done, with the Dan Helsper Industrial Fish Scales, showed a pull of 300#'s. Haven't done any high speed yet taxi's yet... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 4:02 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight --> Forward. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dwilson Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 3:26 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight Gary, How is the prop pulling? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381280#381280 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 04:34:59 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight From: helspersew@aol.com 300 lbs should be plenty to get you up in the air. Strongest pull on mine w as 265#. Go for it!!! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: Sun, Aug 19, 2012 6:16 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight Sorry, Dan...couldn't resist... The last static test done, with the Dan Helsper Industrial Fish Scales, showed a pull of 300#'s. Haven't done any high speed yet taxi's yet... Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 4:02 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight --> Forward. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dwilson Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 3:26 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight Gary, How is the prop pulling? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381280#381280 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:56:21 PM PST US From: V Groah Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: big numbers Jorge=2C Great to hear you are still making parts. There are so many of t hem to make. Keep up the good work. We hope to see your plane at the west coast piet meet soon. We are still doing little upgrades to ours. I susp ect no machine is every really totally done. Vic NX414MV do not archive From: flightwood@yahoo.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: big numbers hello marl I hope your stared wellding these is fun and bery relaxed finish ed my 10 rib in 18 day I know Im backwars but one those day fly my firs mis sion=2C seyou nex jorge from hanford From: Mark Roberts Sent: Saturday=2C August 18=2C 2012 10:01 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: big numbers > Ooooowwww! Veeerrry nice! And the wing numbers look great too! But that sho p floor=2C and the size! Where was that taken Jeff? Kidding aside=2C those numbers look very clean. How'd you do them? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381212#381212r?Pietenpol-List " target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietename great conten t also available via sp=3B -Matt Dr======= ===== ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:10 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Slow speed rush to 1st flight From: "Mark Roberts" I am still amazed at how excited I get for others on this list, the vast, vast majority of which I most likely will never meet, when they reach a milestone. I just happen to be fortunate enough to know Gary, but for the rest of us, doesn't just taxiing around the Airport in your new Piet sound like fun??! Do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381299#381299 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:52:35 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: More Pietenpol Roots in Oklahoma From: "K5YAC" Orrin, I meant to share this with you a few weeks ago, but I'm just now getting around to it. Here is a picture of some of your family when they visited my hangar last winter. You probably already know, but for the sake of other readers, they are (L to R)... Bernice Hoopman (Finke) - daughter of Orrin C., John Finke - son of Don, Cathy Ryan - daughter of Bernice and John and Orrin's granddaughter, and the blonde girl in the back is Angie Hyatt - daughter of Kathy Ryan and Orrin's great granddaughter. She is surrounded by her family... I'm sorry, I forget their names. Kathy and Angie live here in Oklahoma while Bernice and John still live in Cherry Grove. Hope you enjoy the photo! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381308#381308 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/hoopman_finke_183.jpg ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:40 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Strut fittings Thanks Larry and all..... Actually, I have a laser and a bunyip, built it with a 5 gal bucket so it can be a one person process...and I prefer the bunyip! do not archive -----Original Message----- >From: "l.morlock" >Sent: Aug 18, 2012 8:19 AM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Strut fittings > > >Or use a "bunyip" aka water level. Buy a length of clear plastic tubing at >the hardware store, fill it with water (almost), find a helper, hold it up >to the wing, then observe the level of the water on each end of the tube to >find level or whatever amount of dihedral you want. > > Larry > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Ken Bickers" >To: >Sent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 8:57 AM >Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Strut fittings > > >> >> Jim, I started off using a laser pointer when setting the dihedral. I >> found it hard to use, due to jiggling of the pointer at one end and >> the widening of the light by the time it got to the other end. After >> an hour or so of frustration, I went to the local sporting goods store >> and bought some high-test, non-stretch fishing line. Then I tied that >> to a stick that could be clamped at one of the wing and pulled very >> tight to a stick clamped to the end of the other wing. That made the >> whole thing easy, though I never did catch a fish. Cheers, Ken >> >> On Sat, Aug 18, 2012 at 6:45 AM, Jim Markle >> wrote: >>> Thanks Dan, I'll give that a try. >>> >>> helspersew@aol.com wrote: >>> Jim, >>> >>> If you are careful maybe you can get away with it. A laser level would be >>> very helpful. Then you could be sure of what you are doing. >>> >>> Dan Helsper >>> Puryear, TN >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jim Markle >>> To: pietenpol-list >>> Sent: Fri, Aug 17, 2012 10:36 am >>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Strut fittings >>> >>> >>> >>> Hey Dan, >>> >>> During your final assembly, did you actually have to make adjustments to >>> all >>> 4 >>> forks? I'm wondering if you could be really careful with all the strut >>> lengths >>> and maybe only need to make adjustments to the rear struts? >>> >>> Am I thinking right or is adjustment on all 4 absolutely necessary? I >>> would >>> like to avoid buying those $80 fittings if their not going to get much >>> use.... >>> >>> Your (or anyone's!) thoughts? >>> >>> JM >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: helspersew@aol.com >>> Sent: Aug 17, 2012 9:19 AM >>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Strut fittings >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi Greg, >>> >>> Thank you for the kind words. I have attached a pic of the fitting. This >>> is >>> a >>> J-3 fork. If you can get a drawing of that fork you will be able to >>> eye-ball >>> how >>> much thread engagement I have there. Yes I used the small struts from >>> Carlson. >>> This set-up is working well so far. If I can be of further service let me >>> know. >>> >>> Dan H >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Greg Bacon >>> To: pietenpol-list >>> Sent: Fri, Aug 17, 2012 8:33 am >>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aluminum Strut fittings >>> >>> >>> Dan, >>> >>> >>> Did you use the small struts from Carlson Aircraft? And, what did you >>> figure >>> for safe thread depth of the J3 forks? I couldn't find a minimum thread >>> depth >>> chart for steel bolts into aluminum. A typical rule of thumb for >>> steel-in-steel >>> is one thread diameter minimum to match the full strength of the bolt. I >>> would >>> assume steel-in-aluminum to be more than that since aluminum isn't quite >>> as >>> strong as steel. Aluminum is also subject to fatigue over the long haul, >>> so >>> overkill would be good here. >>> >>> >>> Saw your piet at Brodhead this year. Looks beautiful! >>> >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> -- >>> Greg Bacon >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>> tp://forums.matronics.com >>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> >>> >>> >>> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >>> tp://forums.matronics.com >>> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:09:52 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aluminum Strut fittings From: "Billy McCaskill" A bunyip will only be useful for setting dihedral if your shop/hangar floor is dead-flat and level. If the floor has even a slight pitch or slant to it, you could end up with some weird rigging issues. Your fuselage could be sitting at the same angle as the floor, but your wingtips will be level with each other. The stretched string is probably better suited for this job. -------- Billy McCaskill Baker, LA tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381312#381312 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:32:28 PM PST US From: "Chris" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Slow speed rush to 1st flight Gary's plane looks fantastic and he is very popular at the airport with lots of visitors and people waving as he taxies by. I can also report that the Corvair engine preformed admirably as a ground based vehicle power plant, but I would expect that from a car engine. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Sunday, August 19, 2012 2:56 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Slow speed rush to 1st flight In typical Pietenpol fashion, the taxi tests continue at slow and careful rate. Phase 1 taxi was for 2 hrs at 5mph. A slight problem developed with the tail wheel, which was easily remedied by a different washer arrangement (Curt - a lot of the vibration is now gone!). Today began Phase 2 - two hours at 10-15mph. For a passenger, I had the esteemed Chris Tracy. Airport visitor traffic was heavy, making any work difficult. Brakes are ineffectual, but Dan Helsper led me to some nice brake linings that will need to be riveted on before further taxi. Curt Merdan had suggested that my master switch appeared vulnerable, and, sure enough, I must have bumped it with my knee the last time I got out.this morning, switch was ON and battery was dead. I put the charger on for a few hours before Chris showed up, but it was only enough to get a little juice back in the battery.had to hand prop my Corvair! Nice to know that it's possible. For me, this time is proving valuable. Gary Boothe NX308MB ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 10:58:17 PM PST US From: jorge lizarraga Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: big numbers and alot ribs too tanks vi for by in touch say hi to michael, is nise to know your fly bery s ooner from my finished my 12 ribs in 19 days so slow but ...one day trate t o change these v.w. aereo convertion to haved A65 we see, I jope your haved extra wood metal or so if ic case ,like to now tanks guys for be so frienl y and help all time ,jorge fro hanford=0A=0A=0AFrom: V Groah =0ATo: piet list =0ASent: Sunday, Augu st 19, 2012 4:56 PM=0ASubject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: big numbers=0A=0A=0A Jorge,- Great to hear you are still making parts.- There are so many of them to make.- Keep-up the good work.- We hope to see your plane at the west coast piet meet soon.- We are still doing little upgrades to our s.- I suspect no machine is every really totally done.- Vic- NX414MV -- =0A=0Ado not archive -=0A=0ADate: Sat, 18 Aug 2012 22:32:45 -0700 =0AFrom: flightwood@yahoo.com=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: big number s=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A=0A=0Ahello marl I hope your stared wellding these is fun and bery relaxed finished my 10 rib in 18 day I know Im backwars but one those day fly my firs mission, seyou nex jorge from han ford=0A=0A=0AFrom: Mark Roberts =0ATo: pietenpol-lis t@matronics.com =0ASent: Saturday, August 18, 2012 10:01 PM=0ASubject: Piet k Roberts" =0A=0AOoooowwww! Veeerrry nice! And the w ing numbers look great too! But that shop floor, and the size! Where was th at taken Jeff? =0A=0AKidding aside, those numbers look very clean. How'd yo u do them?=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.ma tronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381212#381212r?Pietenpol-List" target=_blan k>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietename great content also available via sp; - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dr======= =======0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0Ast" target=_blank>http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listttp://forums.matronics.com=_blank> ===== ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:43:44 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Pietenpol-List: Is anyone going to MERFI Is anyone planning on flying their Piet to MERFI next saturday?- The MERF I fly-in is at Urbana Grimes Airport in Urbana Ohio on Aug 25, 26.- I pla n on flying over on Saturday mid to late morning with my neighbors, a Cessn a 140, a Space Walker2, and a Stits Playmate.- If any of you Ohio Pieter' s-want to join us (Mike Cuy, Don Emch) We will be leaving Chapman Memoria l on Saturday about 10-11 am.- Hope to see some of you there. - Shad ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.