---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 08/22/12: 21 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:50 AM - Re: bunyips, bubbles and gravity.... (Michael Perez) 2. 08:01 AM - Re: bunyips, bubbles and gravity.... (Ken Bickers) 3. 09:35 AM - Re: bunyips, bubbles and gravity.... (Mark Roberts) 4. 10:21 AM - Re: 4130 vs 1025 steel (or 1010) (helspersew@aol.com) 5. 10:43 AM - Re: 4130 vs 1025 steel (or 1010) (Mark Roberts) 6. 11:47 AM - Re: bunyips, bubbles and gravity.... (Jim Markle) 7. 12:31 PM - A75 tach (Greg Bacon) 8. 12:53 PM - Re: Piper Parts Fore Sale (womenfly2) 9. 01:44 PM - A65 Tach (John Egan) 10. 02:51 PM - Re: Piper Parts Fore Sale (Billy McCaskill) 11. 03:27 PM - Re: bunyips, bubbles and gravity.... (airlion) 12. 05:36 PM - A65 /A75Tach (Ben Charvet) 13. 06:31 PM - Bending the aileron stick horn... (Mark Roberts) 14. 06:48 PM - Re: Bending the aileron stick horn... (Jim Markle) 15. 06:55 PM - Re: Bending the aileron stick horn... (dwilson) 16. 07:51 PM - Re: 4130 vs 1025 steel (or 1010) (Clif Dawson) 17. 09:38 PM - Re: Bending the aileron stick horn... (Mark Roberts) 18. 09:43 PM - Tailwheel ground school review (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB) 19. 10:37 PM - Re: Tailwheel ground school review (taildrags) 20. 11:02 PM - Re: Bending the aileron stick horn... (George Abernathy) 21. 11:29 PM - Re: Bending the aileron stick horn... (Mark Roberts) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:50:54 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: bunyips, bubbles and gravity.... What?-- 8^) Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com =0A=0A=0A=0AAs I remember my in-person discussion of the subject of levelin g fuselages and setting wing incidence with Jim Markle, it had more to do w ith observing the level of Blue Star ale in our glasses as we sampled their brew (and Jim sampled their black bean and salsa-nacho salad) than it ha d to do with determining the 0.5 degree dihedral variation all the way up t o 1.5 degrees of dihedral (two pints down).--Neither-of us would have made great pilots at that point, but we sure did know how to set wing dihe dral and we also-knew what constituted a good pint of ale.- I made it h ome safely, so did Jim, so did the all-aluminum alternative "Ed Fisher"-P iet wing rib that I took down to Blue Star for the patrons to admire and fo r Jim to comment on that evening. - There is more to this discussion and it's all important, but at the moment I can't remember what it is, so I guess it isn't all that important after a ll.- What I do remember is that I discussed refueling J-3 Cubs today with a friend of mine here in Medford who flew his Cub from Oregon-to the big Cub reunion at Oshkosh this year and met Ken Bickers of this list at a ref ueling stop somewhere in Indiana.- The Air Camper was the common thread, and a nice thread it is.- My friend Lyn Cate-told me that he made 40+ f uel stops on the flight from Medford to Oshkosh and back, and that he logge d more than 60 hours in his Cub making the trip.- I envied him, and thoug ht to myself that it isn't really that different flying a Cub than it is fl ying an Air Camper, except that the Air Camper doesn't float after you flar e it right above the numbers ;o)- Maybe one day I will make it to Brodhea d at the controls of the ever-stalwart Scout. - do not archive =0A=0A =0A ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:46 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: bunyips, bubbles and gravity.... From: Ken Bickers Oscar, What a pleasure this morning to see your Markle-assisted ale-infused thoughts. A bit of the back story for pretty much everyone else -- a back story that says something about how special is the Pietenpol fraternity, scattered diaspora-like across the continent and globe. On our way as we winged from northern Colorado to Brodhead in our Pacer this summer, my son, Kevin and I stopped for a fuel and, we hoped, lunch at Marshalltown Iowa (not in Indiana). There was a small gathering of others there at the time. As happens at little FBOs where pilots stop in, we struck up a conversation with a few of the people in the lounge. One was a fellow by the name of Lyn Cate who had flown a still lovely, though hardly dolled up, J3 Cub all the way from the west coast. He told of his many fuel stops, his encounters with density altitude and high elevation runways, and the turbulence, lots and lots of turbulence. He mentioned he was from Medford. I mentioned that I knew a Pietenpol owner in Medford, who I had met a year or so before outside San Antonio: the one and same, Oscar Zuniga. The conversation quickly turned to Pietenpols. Soon I had whipped out my Iphone and was passing around photos of my Pietenpol project. The circle soon expanded. The FBO guy came around to look and to tell us that there was a Piet on the Marshalltown field. Small world. It was Lorin Miller's GN1. He hadn't seen Lorin in awhile, apparently because he had been pouring all his spare time into his all-aluminum project. But the FBO guy did know where we are based. On a ferry trip to Colorado a few years back, he had gotten snowed in at our airport for several days. He had developed quite a serious case of lust for the young woman that at the time staffed the desk at our local FBO. In any case, we enjoyed the stop. As we swapped flying stories and talk of J3s and Pietenpols, Lyn shared half his subway sandwich with us, which was a welcome addition to our trail mix, crackers, and canned meat. We said our goodbyes and promised to give our mutual friend Oscar our greetings. These stories are never complete. Pietenpols, through their charm and simplicity, seem to bring out the friendly-best in people. Who knows who we'll bump into on some other trip that will know Lyn, or Oscar, or Jim, or anyone of us. Thanks Oscar. I hope you will lift a pint and think good thoughts of us. Ken On Wed, Aug 22, 2012 at 5:50 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > What? 8^) > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > > As I remember my in-person discussion of the subject of leveling > fuselages and setting wing incidence with Jim Markle, it had more to do > with observing the level of Blue Star ale in our glasses as we sampled > their brew (and Jim sampled their black bean and salsa nacho salad) than it > had to do with determining the 0.5 degree dihedral variation all the way up > to 1.5 degrees of dihedral (two pints down). Neither of us would have made > great pilots at that point, but we sure did know how to set wing dihedral > and we also knew what constituted a good pint of ale. I made it home > safely, so did Jim, so did the all-aluminum alternative "Ed Fisher" Piet > wing rib that I took down to Blue Star for the patrons to admire and for > Jim to comment on that evening. > > There is more to this discussion and it's all important, but at the moment > I can't remember what it is, so I guess it isn't all that important after > all. What I do remember is that I discussed refueling J-3 Cubs today with > a friend of mine here in Medford who flew his Cub from Oregon to the big > Cub reunion at Oshkosh this year and met Ken Bickers of this list at a > refueling stop somewhere in Indiana. The Air Camper was the common thread, > and a nice thread it is. My friend Lyn Cate told me that he made 40+ fuel > stops on the flight from Medford to Oshkosh and back, and that he logged > more than 60 hours in his Cub making the trip. I envied him, and thought > to myself that it isn't really that different flying a Cub than it is > flying an Air Camper, except that the Air Camper doesn't float after you > flare it right above the numbers ;o) Maybe one day I will make it to > Brodhead at the controls of the ever-stalwart Scout. > > do not archive > > > * > * > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:29 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: bunyips, bubbles and gravity.... From: "Mark Roberts" The image of having a pint or two with friends made on this list is what makes this list so much fun to read. In a way, the list serves as the watering trough many of us would frequent to sit and discuss the vital intricacies of the piet design, without the bad breath. Thanks Oscar for the "picture". I bet the bartender that night thought you'd already had a few before getting there when you brought in that aluminum rib... I mean, everyone knows, including the bartender, that a 1932's design used Sitka spruce and milk protein glues, not high tech aluminum! [Shocked] Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381522#381522 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:21:27 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 4130 vs 1025 steel (or 1010) From: helspersew@aol.com Another good source of information on metal, plastic or any other raw mater ial is McMaster Carr. They usually have charts outlining strength and prope rties of the materials they sell. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Gerry Holland Sent: Tue, Aug 21, 2012 12:55 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 4130 vs 1025 steel (or 1010) m.co.uk> Jack Many thanks for a fine explanation! Brilliant.....The mud is clear. Regards Gerry ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:43:41 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 4130 vs 1025 steel (or 1010) From: "Mark Roberts" Thanks Dan.... In fact, that is one tab on my browser that says open right next to ACS... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381527#381527 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:47:05 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: bunyips, bubbles and gravity.... HA! Yeah, that was a fun evening Oscar! A lot of people in that place (the waitress in particular!) were wondering what was up with that aluminum rib! I sure didn't remember discussing dihedral until you mentioned it! I would like to think it was the beer but it's probably the age... Oh well..... Recent trips: I got to visit with Kevin and Shelley last week. We all went over to the hangar and got started on the initial cleanup/recovery of parts/etc for the rebuild. What an honor to get to help. It sure breaks your heart to see FBG in that condition. But when I stopped and looked around and started to get a bit sad about it all...Kevin said "It is what it is...now get back to work" so we can get this thing rebuilt. Ok, he wasn't (quite) that harsh but the message is clear, they're movin' on. It's a real inspiration to see someone just pick up and carry on like that. I always learn something about how to be a better person when I'm around Kevin. I also figured out how I'm gonna route my airspeed ram air....hey, the covering is off the wing so I got to see it first hand! It was also just fantastic to hear Kevin list the parts the folks in this group have already donated to the rebuild. "We already have this part...", "We already have that part...". That was great. The folks on this list are simply the best. JM -----Original Message----- From: Oscar Zuniga Sent: Aug 22, 2012 12:29 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: bunyips, bubbles and gravity.... As I remember my in-person discussion of the subject of leveling fuselages and setting wing incidence with Jim Markle, it had more to do with observing the level of Blue Star ale in our glasses as we sampled their brew (and Jim sampled their black bean and salsa nacho salad) than it had to do with determining the 0.5 degree dihedral variation all the way up to 1.5 degrees of dihedral (two pints down). Neither of us would have made great pilots at that point, but we sure did know how to set wing dihedral and we also knew what constituted a good pint of ale. I made it home safely, so did Jim, so did the all-aluminum alternative "Ed Fisher" Piet wing rib that I took down to Blue Star for the patrons to admire and for Jim to comment on that evening. There is more to this discussion and it's all important, but at the moment I can't remember what it is, so I guess it isn't all that important after all. What I do remember is that I discussed refueling J-3 Cubs today with a friend of mine here in Medford who flew his Cub from Oregon to the big Cub reunion at Oshkosh this year and met Ken Bickers of this list at a refueling stop somewhere in Indiana. The Air Camper was the common thread, and a nice thread it is. My friend Lyn Cate told me that he made 40+ fuel stops on the flight from Medford to Oshkosh and back, and that he logged more than 60 hours in his Cub making the trip. I envied him, and thought to myself that it isn't really that different flying a Cub than it is flying an Air Camper, except that the Air Camper doesn't float after you flare it right above the numbers ;o) Maybe one day I will make it to Brodhead at the controls of the ever-stalwart Scout. do not archive Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" Medford, OR website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:31:43 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: A75 tach From: Greg Bacon Anyone have a tach that will work on an A75 they want to sell. Please contact me offline. Thanks, -- Greg Bacon ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:53:21 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piper Parts Fore Sale From: "womenfly2" What do you want for: Need-2: J-3 Horizontal Stabs. Need-1: J-3 12 GAL Fuel Tank. Would what to see detailed pictures before purchasing if price is right. Also, what is meant by: serv.? Please PM me. Thanks, WF2 -------- Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381534#381534 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:44:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: A65 Tach From: John Egan <1smilingmoon@gmail.com> Piet Builders, Along the same lines as Greg's question. Does anyone have a suitable tach for an A65? Please contact me offline. If no used tachs are found, does anyone know the correct part number for an A65 tach from the typical suppliers (Aircraft Spruce, Wicks...)? My progress report - Have Aircamper project on gear, uncovered. Just varnished the wings and tail pieces last weekend and made a set of engine cooling eyebrows. Have the engine hanging, and need to focus on controls and instruments. Like a tach and tach cable. I also appreciate the recent progress reports from folks and enjoy seeing the completions. thank you, John Egan Greenville, WI ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:51:51 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piper Parts Fore Sale From: "Billy McCaskill" Just a guess, but I would think that 'serv.' stands for 'serviceable', as in not-new, but not damaged. I could be wrong though... -------- Billy McCaskill Baker, LA tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381541#381541 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:27:32 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: bunyips, bubbles and gravity.... what a great story.Gardiner=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________ =0AFrom: Ken Bickers =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics .com=0ASent: Wed, August 22, 2012 11:02:22 AM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List : bunyips, bubbles and gravity....=0A=0AOscar,- =0A=0AWhat a pleasure thi s morning to see your Markle-assisted ale-infused thoughts. =0A-A bit of the back story for pretty much everyone else -- a back story that says =0As omething about how special is the Pietenpol fraternity, scattered diaspora- like =0Aacross the continent and globe.=0A=0AOn our way as we winged from n orthern Colorado to Brodhead in our Pacer this =0Asummer, my son, Kevin and I stopped for a fuel and, we hoped, lunch at =0AMarshalltown Iowa (not in Indiana). -There was a small gathering of others there =0Aat the time. -As happens at little FBOs where pilots stop in, we struck up a =0Aconver sation with a few of the people in the lounge. -One was a fellow by the =0Aname of Lyn Cate who had flown a still lovely, though hardly dolled up, J3 Cub =0Aall the way from the west coast. -He told of his many fuel stop s, his encounters =0Awith density altitude and high elevation runways, and the turbulence, lots and =0Alots of turbulence. -He mentioned he was from Medford. -I mentioned that I knew =0Aa Pietenpol owner in Medford, who I had met a year or so before outside San =0AAntonio: the one and same, Osca r Zuniga. -=0A=0AThe conversation quickly turned to Pietenpols. -Soon I had whipped out my Iphone =0Aand was passing around photos of my Pietenpol project. -The circle soon =0Aexpanded. The FBO guy came around to look a nd to tell us that there was a Piet =0Aon the Marshalltown field. -Small world. -It was Lorin Miller's GN1. -He hadn't =0Aseen Lorin in awhile, apparently because he had been pouring all his spare time =0Ainto his all-a luminum project. -But the FBO guy did know where we are based. -On =0Aa ferry trip to Colorado a few years back, he had gotten snowed in at our =0Aairport for several days. He had developed quite a serious case of lust for the =0Ayoung woman that at the time staffed the desk at our local FBO. -=0A=0AIn any case, we enjoyed the stop. As we swapped flying stories and talk of J3s =0Aand Pietenpols, Lyn shared half his subway sandwich with us , which was a welcome =0Aaddition to our trail mix, crackers, and canned me at. -We said our goodbyes and =0Apromised to give our mutual friend Oscar our greetings. -=0A=0AThese stories are never complete. -Pietenpols, t hrough their charm and =0Asimplicity, seem to bring out the friendly-best i n people. -Who knows who we'll =0Abump into on some other trip that will know Lyn, or Oscar, or Jim, or anyone of =0Aus.=0A=0AThanks Oscar. -I hop e you will lift a pint and think good thoughts of us.=0A=0AKen=0A=0A=0AOn W ed, Aug 22, 2012 at 5:50 AM, Michael Perez wrote :=0A=0AWhat?-- 8^)=0A>=0A>Michael Perez=0A>Pietenpol HINT Videos=0A>Kar etaker Aero=0A>www.karetakeraero.com =0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>>=0A>>As I remembe r my in-person discussion of the subject of leveling fuselages and =0A>>set ting wing incidence with Jim Markle, it had more to do with observing the =0A>>level of Blue Star ale in our glasses as we sampled their brew (and Ji m sampled =0A>>their black bean and salsa-nacho salad) than it had to do with determining the =0A>>0.5 degree dihedral variation all the way up to 1 .5 degrees of dihedral (two =0A>>pints down).--Neither-of us would ha ve made great pilots at that point, but we =0A>>sure did know how to set wi ng dihedral and we also-knew what constituted a good =0A>>pint of ale.- I made it home safely, so did Jim, so did the all-aluminum =0A>>alternativ e "Ed Fisher"-Piet wing rib that I took down to Blue Star for the =0A>>pa trons to admire and for Jim to comment on that evening.=0A>>-=0A>>There i s more to this discussion and it's all important, but at the moment I =0A>> can't remember what it is, so I guess it isn't all that important after all .- =0A>>What I do remember is that I discussed refueling J-3 Cubs today w ith a friend of =0A>>mine here in Medford who flew his Cub from Oregon-to the big Cub reunion at =0A>>Oshkosh this year and met Ken Bickers of this list at a refueling stop somewhere =0A>>in Indiana.- The Air Camper was t he common thread, and a nice thread it is.- My =0A>>friend Lyn Cate-tol d me that he made 40+ fuel stops on the flight from Medford =0A>>to Oshkosh and back, and that he logged more than 60 hours in his Cub making the =0A> >trip.- I envied him, and thought to myself that it isn't really that dif ferent =0A>>flying a Cub than it is flying an Air Camper, except that the A ir Camper doesn't =0A>>float after you flare it right above the numbers ;o) - Maybe one day I will make =0A>>it to Brodhead at the controls of the ev er-stalwart Scout.=0A>>-=0A>>do not archive=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>=0A>> =0A>>=0A>> =0A> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pi etenpol-List=0A> tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com ====================== =0A ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:38 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: A65 /A75Tach From: Ben Charvet I went to a lot of trouble finding a used counter clockwise tach but ended up using a 90 degree adapter (at tach end of cable) from ASS that can reverse the direction so the more common clockwise tach (like from a C152) would work. Of course most used tachs may have the wrong redline. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 22, 2012, at 4:43 PM, John Egan <1smilingmoon@gmail.com> wrote: > > Piet Builders, > > Along the same lines as Greg's question. Does anyone have a suitable > tach for an A65? Please contact me offline. If no used tachs are > found, does anyone know the correct part number for an A65 tach from > the typical suppliers (Aircraft Spruce, Wicks...)? > > My progress report - Have Aircamper project on gear, uncovered. Just > varnished the wings and tail pieces last weekend and made a set of > engine cooling eyebrows. Have the engine hanging, and need to focus > on controls and instruments. Like a tach and tach cable. I also > appreciate the recent progress reports from folks and enjoy seeing the > completions. > > thank you, > John Egan > Greenville, WI > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:31:03 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bending the aileron stick horn... From: Mark Roberts Hi all: I picked up 2 sets of aileron ent stick control horns today from the laser cutter. It's made from .032 4130 steel. I want to bend them so that they are concave per the plans and weld the edges together. What's the best way to gently bend plates feel like this so that they have to concave house? The Tony B. books are coming this week, but I am curious if you guys have ideas to bend them gently so that they will be rigid. Thanks! ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:51 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Bending the aileron stick horn... 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From: "dwilson" I bent the leading edges around a 3/8 inch round that I welded along the edge of a 10 inch length of 3/4 inch angle iron. I held the angle iron in a bench vise along with the horn. That's really all there is to it. You can add some geometry by using a shot bag and a rounded plastic hammer, but not everyone thinks that is necessary. The fun part comes when you want to weld them together. That is pure pleasure. They look much better when you make them a second time. Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381568#381568 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:55 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 4130 vs 1025 steel (or 1010) I knew I had this somewhere. four layers down, in my favourites files; http://www.matweb.com/search/QuickText.aspx?SearchText=4130%20steel Everything else you could possibly want to know about is on this site somewhere also. Except maybe what Jim and Oscar had for dinner that fatefull night. Or what their Significant Others had to say when they reached their respective homes! Clif Bees and wimmin, blow a little smoke and both settle right down. :-) > Another good source of information on metal, plastic or any other raw > mater > ial is McMaster Carr. They usually have charts outlining strength and > prope > rties of the materials they sell. > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:38:09 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending the aileron stick horn... From: "Mark Roberts" Thanks fellers... I see my SMART phone changed some words around in my original post and made some of the message more difficult to understand than my normal rumblings ... Posted it at dinner whilst waiting to order. Thanks for the tips... I'm off to mykitplanes.com to have a look. And the idea of a mandrel welded onto an angle iron sounds promising too. Looking forward to pics Jim, And yer traveling AGAIN? No wonder you want a Piet...so you can travel MORE! Good grief! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381576#381576 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:43:25 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tailwheel ground school review Gentlemen, While I have been spending a lot of time flying in my buddies' Aeronca Champ (with him on board), I have never been signed off as a tail wheel pilot. This came to light and As soon as practicable I will get a tail wheel check ride. Hopefully Friday or Saturday. Today, I spent an hour doing ground school with Vern Foster and Lonnie Gillespie, Two of the best old school pilots in this area. Vern is 95 and is still a CFI. He started flying in 1939 and had a long aviation career. He was key in developing the Colorado Pilot's Association's Mountain flying course. Lonnie started flying in 1948 and has built two homebuilts, (a Pitts and a casutt) and restored several beech Bonanzas and one aeronca Champ, plus many other things. He flies his 1947 Champ every weekday that the winds and weather allow. He flew a buddies' Piet for several years before it was sold. The Basic gist of the ground school was: During preflight look at the tailwheel springs. Make sure they are preloaded with no slack. Vern asked what was hardest about learning to fly a taildragger. I told him the transition from wheels on the ground to slowing down to a walking pace. Flying for fun, we did many touch and goes and I did not like the loss of rudder effectiveness when slowing down. He said that was the zone where most tailwheel accidents happen, from 25 down to 4 MPH. His point, you can't stop a ground loop with brakes, Only with rudder, therefore use a burst of power (about mag check RPM). Many groundloops happen because someone tried to stop it with brakes, making it worse. If there is an emergency, don't hesitate to land downwind if needed. (Vern insisted that Lonnie work me over hard on downwind landings.) If an airplane is in trim and you find yourself fighting the trim, ask yourself why. (Vern maintains that a plane in proper trim wants to fly correctly most of the time.) If you find yourself in slowflight upon landing and you start to drift toward the weeds, hold the plane in softfield takeoff attitude and shove the power to it. It will climb out of trouble, if possible. During a wheel landing, upon contact with the runway, "pin" the plane with slight forward stick until you can "pin" the tailwheel down without ballooning the plane. but beware pushing the prop into the ground, or ballooning. We discussed control placement during taxiing. "landing on a runway with a 15 knot wind down the runway is easy. But getting it to the hanger can get sporting." During the checkout I need to be ready to do a landing exercise that involves: upon getting the wheels rolling during a wheel landing, I will throttle up and slowly put on the brakes. The idea is to be able to control the plane during a high wind landing. They reiterated "Brakes dont control direction, Rudder does!" Finally: If you have any prolonged time with no tail wheel time, Get time with an Instructor! It will come back quickly but it is a perishable skill until you have several hundred tail wheel hours. After the lesson, Vern said in 1940 his instructor corrected him, "You are a tail wheel pilot, I am a tail dragger pilot, I learned with a tail skid!" All in all it was one of the best hours I have ever spent outside an airplane. (well talking about aviation anyway.) I am quite eager to go fly! Blue Skies, Steve D ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 10:37:56 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tailwheel ground school review From: "taildrags" "landing on a runway with a 15 knot wind down the runway is easy. But getting it to the hanger can get sporting." Steve, I can't tell you how many times I took off at San Geronimo, flew over to Castroville for fuel, and found that there was a very brisk and gusty crosswind blowing over there. Nice wide and paved runway, but crosswind technique was called for and I was always able to nail the landing but once on the runway, I was uneasy with that constant gusty push on the rudder and empennage shoving me around on the ground and more than a time or two, I would put on some power and lift the tail so I could control the airplane on the mains in wheel landing configuration with better control. (Note to you guys who don't know what the heck we're talking about: it's a LONG way from the numbers on landing at Castroville to the first turnoff if you're in a Piet and you land at 40 MPH with 15 MPH on the nose!). The bottom line is, practice-practice-practice, and once you think you know the airplane in a x-wind, just remember that these airplanes are better teachers than they are students, and they LOVE to instruct when there is a crosswind! Oh, but then you can also remember that about 3/4 of the other pilots out there don't fly tailwheel airplanes and don't know what rudder pedals are for, so you are the only "real" pilot out there that day ;o) -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford/Ashland, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381578#381578 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:02:48 PM PST US From: George Abernathy Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bending the aileron stick horn... Hello there Mark,=0A=0AEnglish wheel is the way to go on that one. =0A=0A =0ASee my 2 part video =0A=0A=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB9E43TuaF M =0A=0A=0Aand =0A=0A=0Ahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmKlrJ6CNeg=0A=0AT he wheel is not hard to make. Basically you need a C shaped frame with a fl at bearing on top and a curved one pushed up underneath it. =0A=0A=0ASome s ort of screw thingey to push the two together.-=0A=0Asee this ebay link =0A=0Ahttp://www.ebay.com/itm/1x3-English-Wheel-Anvil-Set-by-Hoosier-Profil es-/320968201275?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4abb32143b=0A=0AOr you can put "english wheel" in the search window and come up with some more kin ky stuff and books and such.=0A101 pages worth.- 75 listings under indust rial. =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Mark Robe rts =0ATo: pietenpol-list =0ASent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 11:30 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Bending the aileron stick horn...=0A =0A=0AHi all:=0AI picked up 2 sets of aileron ent stick control horns today from the laser cutter. It's made fro m .032 4130 steel. I want to bend them so that they are concave per the pla ns and weld the edges together. What's the best way to gently bend plates f eel like this so that they have to concave house? The Tony B. books are com ing this week, but I am curious if you guys have ideas to bend them gently =========================0A ==== ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 11:29:56 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending the aileron stick horn... From: "Mark Roberts" Hey aussiegeorge! That was VERY helpful! Thanks very much for that post. Just watched the videos and I feel as though I have an idea of what I need to do, including the welding jig thingie (for lack of it's proper name... Where'd you get that jig anyway?) Thanks again! 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