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1. 01:04 AM - Re: Re: Bending the aileron stick horn... (George Abernathy)
2. 03:47 AM - Re: Bending the aileron stick horn... (Jack Phillips)
3. 04:08 AM - Re: Bending the aileron stick horn... (Jack)
4. 06:40 AM - Re: A65 /A75Tach (Michael Perez)
5. 06:51 AM - Re: Bending the aileron stick horn... (Michael Perez)
6. 07:35 AM - Re: A65 /A75Tach (steve@wotelectronics.com)
7. 07:47 AM - A Word of Thanks and Warning (BYD)
8. 07:54 AM - Re: A65 /A75Tach (Gmail)
9. 08:21 AM - Brodhead Report - Late (kevinpurtee)
10. 08:27 AM - Personal Recovery at 1 Month - Do Not Archive (kevinpurtee)
11. 08:31 AM - Re: Personal Recovery at 1 Month - Do Not Archive (aerocarjake)
12. 08:33 AM - Airplane Recover at 1 Month - Do Not Archive (kevinpurtee)
13. 08:44 AM - Re: Personal Recovery at 1 Month - Do Not Archive (Matthew)
14. 09:28 AM - Re: Airplane Recover at 1 Month - Do Not Archive (Gmail)
15. 09:30 AM - Re: A65 /A75Tach (Michael Perez)
16. 09:41 AM - Horn bend pictures. (Jim Markle)
17. 10:10 AM - Re: Bending the aileron stick horn... (Mark Roberts)
18. 10:11 AM - Re: Bending the aileron stick horn... (Mark Roberts)
19. 01:34 PM - Re: A65 /A75Tach (steve@wotelectronics.com)
20. 02:01 PM - Re: A65 /A75Tach (Jack@textors.com)
21. 02:11 PM - Re: A65 /A75Tach (John Egan)
22. 02:19 PM - Re: Personal Recovery at 1 Month - Do Not Archive (K5YAC)
23. 02:31 PM - Re: Horn bend pictures. (dwilson)
24. 04:33 PM - Re: Re: Bending the aileron stick horn... (Michael Perez)
25. 04:37 PM - Re: A65 /A75Tach (Michael Perez)
26. 04:52 PM - Re: Brodhead Report - Late (shad bell)
27. 05:17 PM - Re: Horn bend pictures. (Mark Roberts)
28. 05:38 PM - Gladys Ingles (Ryan M)
29. 07:37 PM - Re: Airplane Recover at 1 Month - Do Not Archive (kevinpurtee)
30. 08:31 PM - Re: Re: Airplane Recover at 1 Month - Do Not Archive (Greg Bacon)
31. 09:35 PM - rebuilding Fat Bottom Girl (Oscar Zuniga)
32. 10:07 PM - Re: Airplane Recover at 1 Month - Do Not Archive (taildrags)
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| Subject: | Re: Bending the aileron stick horn... |
Hi Mark,=0A=0AThe jig is made up of a swap meet tent plate for a base and a
couple of ford shifter arms for a three on a tree that =0A=0Athe metal sup
plier screwed up. They supplied the wrong grade of metal. Shifter arms need
to be high tensile stuff. =0A=0AThe part where the horn is mounted is anot
her swap meet tent plate with a couple of machine screws stuck through it.
=0A=0A=0AIt is basically just some pipes and plates. I have a walk policy.
If I walk past something that will work I figure that I wasted time. Some o
f my stuff tends to be a little organic. =0A=0A=0AIf you google english whe
els and home made they say to use a car steering column for the slidey part
that pushes up the bottom roller. I found a piece of bar stock and some sq
uare tubing. They weren't quite the right size to slide so I made the bar s
tock bigger by welding some beads on it and ground it back with my nine inc
h grinder. =0A=0A=0AOne thing I like about OZ is that you get some real pow
er out of the wall outlet. The grinder is about three horsepower and before
I got used to the power it left my hands and launched . Now I know to hang
onto the thing. And never let it bind because parts are gonna fly.-=0A
=0AI then bashed to fit and painted to cover. =0A=0A=0A=0A_________________
_______________=0A From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>=0ATo: pietenp
ol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 4:29 PM=0ASubject:
Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending the aileron stick horn...=0A =0A--> Pietenpol-
List message posted by: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>=0A=0AHey aus
siegeorge!=0A=0AThat was VERY helpful! Thanks very much for that post. Just
watched the videos and I feel as though I have an idea of what I need to d
o, including the welding jig thingie (for lack of it's proper name... Where
'd you get that jig anyway?)=0A=0AThanks again!=0A=0AMark=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARea
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| Subject: | Bending the aileron stick horn... |
I just used a vise, a lengthof =BD=94 steel rod as a form, and a hammer.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George
Abernathy
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 2:02 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bending the aileron stick horn...
Hello there Mark,
English wheel is the way to go on that one.
See my 2 part video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB9E43TuaFM
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmKlrJ6CNeg
The wheel is not hard to make. Basically you need a C shaped frame with
a
flat bearing on top and a curved one pushed up underneath it.
Some sort of screw thingey to push the two together.
see this ebay link
http://www.ebay.com/itm/1x3-English-Wheel-Anvil-Set-by-Hoosier-Profiles-/
320
968201275?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4abb32143b
Or you can put "english wheel" in the search window and come up with
some
more kinky stuff and books and such.
101 pages worth. 75 listings under industrial.
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From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 11:30 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bending the aileron stick horn...
Hi all:
I picked up 2 sets of aileron ent stick control horns today from the
laser
cutter. It's made from .032 4130 steel. I want to bend them so that they
are
concave per the plans and weld the edges together. What's the best way
to
gently bend plates feel like this so that they have to concave house?
The
Tony B. books are coming this week, but I am curious if you guys have
ideas
to bend them gently so that they will be rigid.
Thanks!
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| Subject: | Bending the aileron stick horn... |
Mark I started out using a bead roller seen here
http://textors.com/temp_035.jpg . I preferred just forming around a 3/8
piece of rod, holding it in my wood vise. Dan is right the second set looks
better seen here http://textors.com/Tahoe_002.jpg
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts
Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 8:31 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bending the aileron stick horn...
Hi all:
I picked up 2 sets of aileron ent stick control horns today from the laser
cutter. It's made from .032 4130 steel. I want to bend them so that they are
concave per the plans and weld the edges together. What's the best way to
gently bend plates feel like this so that they have to concave house? The
Tony B. books are coming this week, but I am curious if you guys have ideas
to bend them gently so that they will be rigid.
Thanks!
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| Subject: | Re: A65 /A75Tach |
I do not have my tach. in hand at the moment, but I can get you the part number,
(ACS), if you like. I am also using the 90 deg. adapter from ACS, so the rotation
can be switched AND it makes running the tach cable easier in the small
instrument compartment. (My opinion.)
Let me know.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Bending the aileron stick horn... |
I decided to bend mine as pictured. (attached)- Very easy to bend, easy t
o weld.- The bend adds rigidity. Slightly better aerodynamically than a f
lat piece.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: A65 /A75Tach |
For my A-75 I use a Westach tachometer that just monitors the mag
wires for RPM. This eliminates the need for a cable to the engine.
Better accuracy and less maintenance. No bouncing, no lubing of cables,
etc.
I believe this is the model I use, check their documentation to
make sure this is the correct model:
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/tachometer3at32.php [1]
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
On 2012-08-23 08:40, Michael Perez wrote:
>
I do not have my tach. in hand at the moment, but I can get you the part
number, (ACS), if you like. I am also using the 90 deg. adapter from
ACS, so the rotation can be switched AND it makes running the tach cable
easier in the small instrument compartment. (My opinion.)
>
> Let me
know.
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
>
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | A Word of Thanks and Warning |
First off thanks to Earl Brown (echobravo4) for releasing a reserved registration!
Then, a warning to the group about reserving numbers with the FAA. When I first
reserved my number I paid by check and wrote in the Memo filed what number it
was for so once the check had cleared I could provide proof I had reserved that
number. As time went by, I utilized the web-based payment which gave me an
entry on my credit card statement that I had paid the FAA $10, but no explanation
what that money was for.
As I worked towards certification and just before calling for inspection I was
double checking everything when to my horror, I discovered someone else had reserved
the same number I had. I dont understand how it happened, but going through
convincing myself that I had kept up the payments I realized that I couldnt
prove that was what the money was intended for. So be forewarned. You might
want a paper trail to show your intentions.
And a big THANKS to Earl for releasing the number so I could re-reserve it. Imagine
redoing all your paperwork, replacing data and ID plates and all the time
and effort to convince the powers to be that all is correct. Whew. I can sleep
again tonight and not worried that Newt will ground me.
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| Subject: | Re: A65 /A75Tach |
Thanks for the info Steve. Does it have a clamp, like a timing light?
Greg Bacon
Garratt Callahan
gbacon@g-c.com
(573)489-4795
On Aug 23, 2012, at 9:34 AM, steve@wotelectronics.com wrote:
> For my A-75 I use a Westach tachometer that just monitors the mag wires fo
r RPM. This eliminates the need for a cable to the engine. Better accuracy
and less maintenance. No bouncing, no lubing of cables, etc.
>
> I believe this is the model I use, check their documentation to make sure t
his is the correct model:
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> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/tachometer3at32.php
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> Steve Ruse
> Norman, OK
>
> On 2012-08-23 08:40, Michael Perez wrote:
>
>> I do not have my tach. in hand at the moment, but I can get you the part n
umber, (ACS), if you like. I am also using the 90 deg. adapter from ACS, so t
he rotation can be switched AND it makes running the tach cable easier in th
e small instrument compartment. (My opinion.)
>>
>> Let me know.
>>
>> Michael Perez
>> Pietenpol HINT Videos
>> Karetaker Aero
>> www.karetakeraero.com
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List-> http://forums.matroni
cs.com
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| Subject: | Brodhead Report - Late |
My life has now been conveniently divided into pre- & post-crash segments. Here
are a few thoughts on the 4 days prior to the mayhem.
The trip up was blessedly uneventful. Gave a bunch of rides on Thursday and Friday.
Didn't give rides on Saturday 'cause we popped a spoke (see below). I
am delighted for Dan Helsper that he gave more rides than I did this year. Hated
missing Saturday, but so be it.
John Hoffman, Dan Yocum, and Randy Bush were kind enough to let me fly their Piets.
They all flew in a very similar manner and there was no problem transitioning
between them. I noticed that the short fuselage was a little small for
me, but I did fit. The two continental powered aircraft were rock steady and
climbed in a stately manner. John's to-the-plans airplane is a credit to the
design. The climb rates of the two corvair powered aircraft were significantly
higher, as you'd expect with the extra power. All the aircraft flew well, but
Randy's was an exceptional pleasure to fly. Not sure what he did, but I'll
find out and emulate it on our next plane.
All three aircraft had the smaller wheels and were simple to land. I spoke to
Jack Phillips about the difference in wheel size and landing/ground handling.
He and I now have 8-9 Piets between us and about 700 hours. Our distinctly non-scientific
sense is that the smaller wheeled aircraft seem easier to land.
The big wheeled aircraft are fine, but you have to pay a little more attention.
(Remember, I said non-scientific and not all-inclusive. Your experience may
be different. FWIW.)
The social events were outstanding. Jack & Susan's Brat Feed, combined with the
Racine gilatto, was a blast. Spaghetti night was fun as well. As always, we
need to thank Doc, Dee & the other volunteers for their work. Shelley won one
of the Douwe sculptures from the silent auction. It sits prominently in our
living room now.
We had a blast! Looking forward to next year. I'm hoping some of the kind pilots
will give me rides:).
(The spokes: we busted several spokes a couple of years ago. I replaced them with
Buchanan spokes and loosened them significantly. That solved the issue for
several hundred landings. I took a big guy for a ride this year and that may
have caused the problem. No more of that. Regardless, we've talked about it
extensively and we think the problem may have been with the big honkin' brake
disks. The spokes always broke on the brake disk side. The brakes were not
as powerful as they looked, but they may have been more powerful than I realized.)
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Personal Recovery at 1 Month - Do Not Archive |
This is my 2nd week back at work. I'm down to using a cane and can actually walk
without it (kind of). We fired the crutches yesterday & the walker over the
weekend. The broken femur remains the biggest challenge. The rest of the mess
is healing or healed. Unbelievable!
I'm to the point where I can work in the garage for hours instead of minutes.
Miraculous!
do not archive
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Personal Recovery at 1 Month - Do Not Archive |
Amazing.....
Glad you are getting back to the proper "low and slow" speed of a Pietenpoler.....
Do not archive (reading once is quite enough....)
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Airplane Recover at 1 Month - Do Not Archive |
Thanks to Jim Markle for helping Shelley sort through the remains of FBG last week
(while I sat and watched).
The destroyed right wing is now a memory except for the few pieces of hardware
I'm going to recover. We'll tackle the rest of the plane when I get stronger.
We uncovered and inspected the tail surfaces. One elevator is condemned but the
other is undamaged. The horizontal stabilizer and rudder are repairable. The
vertical stabilizer is undamaged. Woo hoo!
do not archive
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Personal Recovery at 1 Month - Do Not Archive |
Excellent news! Glad to hear that your recovery is coming along at a great pace!
Do not archive
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 23, 2012, at 11:26 AM, "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote:
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> This is my 2nd week back at work. I'm down to using a cane and can actually
walk without it (kind of). We fired the crutches yesterday & the walker over
the weekend. The broken femur remains the biggest challenge. The rest of the
mess is healing or healed. Unbelievable!
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> I'm to the point where I can work in the garage for hours instead of minutes.
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> Miraculous!
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> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Airplane Recover at 1 Month - Do Not Archive |
Kevin,
Glad to hear you are a mending well. We have not met yet, but you and I are Army
brothers. In fact, I served in an Apache unit (1-101st "Expect No Mercy")
as a scout platoon leader back in the early 90s. Anyway, if FBG needs engine
parts, let me know. I have enough for at least one WW conversion.
Greg Bacon
Garratt Callahan
gbacon@g-c.com
(573)489-4795
On Aug 23, 2012, at 10:33 AM, "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote:
>
> Thanks to Jim Markle for helping Shelley sort through the remains of FBG last
week (while I sat and watched).
>
> The destroyed right wing is now a memory except for the few pieces of hardware
I'm going to recover. We'll tackle the rest of the plane when I get stronger.
>
> We uncovered and inspected the tail surfaces. One elevator is condemned but
the other is undamaged. The horizontal stabilizer and rudder are repairable.
The vertical stabilizer is undamaged. Woo hoo!
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> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Re: A65 /A75Tach |
I really like this idea better. Fortunately, it is not too late for me to s
witch!- If i do, my brand new mechanical tach. and 90 deg. adapter will b
e for sale!
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
--- On Thu, 8/23/12, steve@wotelectronics.com <steve@wotelectronics.com> wr
ote:
From: steve@wotelectronics.com <steve@wotelectronics.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 /A75Tach
=0A=0AFor my A-75 I use a Westach tachometer that just monitors the mag wir
es for RPM. -This eliminates the need for a cable to the engine. -Bette
r accuracy and less maintenance. -No bouncing, no lubing of cables, etc.
=0AI believe this is the model I use, check their-documentation-to make
sure this is the correct model:=0A-=0A-=0A-=0A-=0Ahttp://www.aircr
aftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/tachometer3at32.php=0A-=0ASteve Ruse
Norman, OK=0AOn 2012-08-23 08:40, Michael Perez wrote:=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AI do n
ot have my tach. in hand at the moment, but I can get you the part number,
(ACS), if you like. I am also using the 90 deg. adapter from ACS, so the ro
tation can be switched AND it makes running the tach cable easier in the sm
all instrument compartment. (My opinion.)
Let me know.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
=0A=0A=0A=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List-> http://foru
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| Subject: | Horn bend pictures. |
Well Mark,
I promised pictures of how I did it but at this point....kinda redundant! :-)
Lots of great suggestions on the process and there's really nothing of any value
I can add beyond what's been suggested. I think Jack's "clamp to a round bar
and bend..." was the best. These horns are incredibly strong when built like
he described it. AND when built to plans! Lightweight and stronger than they'll
EVER need to be.
Win/win.....
Again, not meaning to beat a dead horse (we never do that, do we?), I've attached
some pictures....
Jim in Pryor
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| Subject: | Re: Bending the aileron stick horn... |
Thanks guys!
I appreciate the help. I had 2 sets of the arm made so I could screw one up, as
I figured there would be a learning curve. Michael, I thought at first I might
do as it appears you did and just bend a straight line down the center and weld
away. Might still go that route, but I will most likely try the mandrel and
hammer treatment first. Don't have the time or money to build an English Wheel,
although I'd like one!
Mark
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| Subject: | Re: Bending the aileron stick horn... |
BTW, Michael, how'd you bend the straight line down the horn so neatly?
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| Subject: | Re: A65 /A75Tach |
Michael,
One more comment on the Westach electronic signal
tach...you do need to add a simple Left/Right switch on the panel to
control which mag the tach is monitoring. It will work without this
switch, but without the switch the tach will go dead when you do your
runup and switch to one mag. (i.e., it can only monitor one mag at a
time). When on "both" this doesn't matter, but when you do your
left/right mag check you kill one mag, if that is the one you are
monitoring the tach goes dead with it. The switch allows you to switch
the tach signal from one mag to the other so you can compare RPM between
the two. I hope that makes sense.
I used shielded wire for the signal
wire from the tach to mag. Not sure if that was necessary or not, I was
doing it to help ensure that I wouldn't get radio noise. Be careful with
wire routing, unintentionally grounding a wire could shut down a mag.
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
On 2012-08-23 11:30, Michael Perez wrote:
>
I really like this idea better. Fortunately, it is not too late for me
to switch! If i do, my brand new mechanical tach. and 90 deg. adapter
will be for sale!
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker
Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
> --- On THU, 8/23/12,
STEVE@WOTELECTRONICS.COM __ wrote:
>
>> From: steve@wotelectronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 /A75Tach
>> To:
pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Date: Thursday, August 23, 2012, 10:34
AM
>>
>> For my A-75 I use a Westach tachometer that just monitors the
mag wires for RPM. This eliminates the need for a cable to the engine.
Better accuracy and less maintenance. No bouncing, no lubing of cables,
etc.
>>
>> I believe this is the model I use, check their
documentation to make sure this is the correct model:
>>
>>
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/tachometer3at32.php [1]
>>
>> Steve Ruse
>> Norman, OK
>>
>> On 2012-08-23 08:40, Michael
Perez wrote:
>>
>>> I do not have my tach. in hand at the moment, but
I can get you the part number, (ACS), if you like. I am also using the
90 deg. adapter from ACS, so the rotation can be switched AND it makes
running the tach cable easier in the small instrument compartment. (My
opinion.)
>>>
>>> Let me know.
>>>
>>> Michael Perez
>>> Pietenpol
HINT Videos
>>> Karetaker Aero
>>> www.karetakeraero.com
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: A65 /A75Tach |
Steve do you have a diagram of that setup?
Jack Textor
Sent from my iPad
On Aug 23, 2012, at 3:33 PM, steve@wotelectronics.com wrote:
> Michael,
>
> One more comment on the Westach electronic signal tach...you do need to ad
d a simple Left/Right switch on the panel to control which mag the tach is m
onitoring. It will work without this switch, but without the switch the tac
h will go dead when you do your runup and switch to one mag. (i.e., it can o
nly monitor one mag at a time). When on "both" this doesn't matter, but whe
n you do your left/right mag check you kill one mag, if that is the one you a
re monitoring the tach goes dead with it. The switch allows you to switch t
he tach signal from one mag to the other so you can compare RPM between the t
wo. I hope that makes sense.
>
> I used shielded wire for the signal wire from the tach to mag. Not sure i
f that was necessary or not, I was doing it to help ensure that I wouldn't g
et radio noise. Be careful with wire routing, unintentionally grounding a w
ire could shut down a mag.
>
> Steve Ruse
> Norman, OK
>
>
>
> On 2012-08-23 11:30, Michael Perez wrote:
>
>> I really like this idea better. Fortunately, it is not too late for me to
switch! If i do, my brand new mechanical tach. and 90 deg. adapter will be
for sale!
>>
>> Michael Perez
>> Pietenpol HINT Videos
>> Karetaker Aero
>> www.karetakeraero.com
>>
>> --- On Thu, 8/23/12, steve@wotelectronics.com wrote:
>>
>> From: steve@wotelectronics.com
>> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 /A75Tach
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>> Date: Thursday, August 23, 2012, 10:34 AM
>>
>> For my A-75 I use a Westach tachometer that just monitors the mag wires f
or RPM. This eliminates the need for a cable to the engine. Better accurac
y and less maintenance. No bouncing, no lubing of cables, etc.
>>
>> I believe this is the model I use, check their documentation to make sure
this is the correct model:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/tachometer3at32.php
>>
>>
>>
>> Steve Ruse
>> Norman, OK
>>
>> On 2012-08-23 08:40, Michael Perez wrote:
>>
>> I do not have my tach. in hand at the moment, but I can get you the part n
umber, (ACS), if you like. I am also using the 90 deg. adapter from ACS, so t
he rotation can be switched AND it makes running the tach cable easier in th
e small instrument compartment. (My opinion.)
>>
>> Let me know.
>>
>> Michael Perez
>> Pietenpol HINT Videos
>> Karetaker Aero
>> www.karetakeraero.com
>> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List-> http://forums.matroni
cs.com
>>
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| Subject: | Re: A65 /A75Tach |
First, from one of the persons looking for a tach. Thank you all. Good
discussion.
Regarding Westach, I just called there, and learned that the tachs in our
discussion have two wires, one to a ground, and one to a p-lead. Another
option is the buy and install a generator from Westach, which is a module
that attaches the to the existing tach cable port on the engine case, then
attach the tach wire to it. This leaves the mags out of the picture, but
will measure engine rpm with each mag test. The part number for the
generator is "303DGT". I spoke with Pete who answered the phone and who is
the owner. The generator works on either clockwise or counterclockwise
rotation.
I'm on the fence as to which type of tach to use (tradition or Westach).
thanks again,
john
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Jack@textors.com <jack@textors.com> wrote:
> Steve do you have a diagram of that setup?
>
> Jack Textor
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Aug 23, 2012, at 3:33 PM, steve@wotelectronics.com wrote:
>
> Michael,
>
> One more comment on the Westach electronic signal tach...you do need to
> add a simple Left/Right switch on the panel to control which mag the tach
> is monitoring. It will work without this switch, but without the switch
> the tach will go dead when you do your runup and switch to one mag. (i.e.,
> it can only monitor one mag at a time). When on "both" this doesn't
> matter, but when you do your left/right mag check you kill one mag, if that
> is the one you are monitoring the tach goes dead with it. The switch
> allows you to switch the tach signal from one mag to the other so you can
> compare RPM between the two. I hope that makes sense.
>
> I used shielded wire for the signal wire from the tach to mag. Not sure
> if that was necessary or not, I was doing it to help ensure that I wouldn't
> get radio noise. Be careful with wire routing, unintentionally grounding a
> wire could shut down a mag.
>
> Steve Ruse
> Norman, OK
>
>
> On 2012-08-23 11:30, Michael Perez wrote:
>
> I really like this idea better. Fortunately, it is not too late for me
> to switch! If i do, my brand new mechanical tach. and 90 deg. adapter will
> be for sale!
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
> --- On *Thu, 8/23/12, steve@wotelectronics.com *wrote:
>
>
> From: steve@wotelectronics.com
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 /A75Tach
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Thursday, August 23, 2012, 10:34 AM
>
> For my A-75 I use a Westach tachometer that just monitors the mag wires
> for RPM. This eliminates the need for a cable to the engine. Better
> accuracy and less maintenance. No bouncing, no lubing of cables, etc.
>
> I believe this is the model I use, check their documentation to make sure
> this is the correct model:
>
>
> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/tachometer3at32.php
>
>
> Steve Ruse
> Norman, OK
>
> On 2012-08-23 08:40, Michael Perez wrote:
>
> I do not have my tach. in hand at the moment, but I can get you the
> part number, (ACS), if you like. I am also using the 90 deg. adapter from
> ACS, so the rotation can be switched AND it makes running the tach cable
> easier in the small instrument compartment. (My opinion.)
>
> Let me know.
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
> *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List-> http://forums.matronics.com*
>
>
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Really great news Kevin! Glad you are getting around ok.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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| Subject: | Re: Horn bend pictures. |
Here is a picture of my jig for forming the aileron horns. Ken Perkins described
this to me at Brodhead a few years ago. It is a 3/8 inch round steel rod welded
to a 3/4 X 3/4 inch angle iron 10 inches long. I simply hold the jig and
one side of the horn in the vise and bend the leading edge of the horn around
the rod with a hammer as shown in Jim's photo. I bent one up this morning just
for the picture. This jig is so handy I also have a 1/2, 5/8,3/4, and 1 inch
version. Note that I do not bend the tabs out. I weld a piece of channel
in the opening so that the bolts run horizontally between the elevator and
horizontal stabilizer. This one took about 10 minutes to cut and form. Any one
have a tig welder...
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Bending the aileron stick horn... |
I used a- brake, by hand, the brake was not powered in any way.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: A65 /A75Tach |
Thanks for the added intel. I would never have thought of that until I star
ted the installation. (switching between the mags.) Did you figure this out
, or did the tach. instructions tell you?
-
If you have pictures, I would be interested in seeing the tach, wiring and
the "switch" switch.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
--- On Thu, 8/23/12, steve@wotelectronics.com <steve@wotelectronics.com> wr
ote:
From: steve@wotelectronics.com <steve@wotelectronics.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 /A75Tach
Michael,
One more comment on the Westach electronic signal tach...you do need to add
a simple Left/Right switch on the panel to control which mag the tach is m
onitoring. -It will work without this switch, but without the switch the
tach will go dead when you do your runup and switch to one mag. -(i.e., i
t can only monitor one mag at a time). -When on "both" this doesn't matte
r, but when you do your left/right mag check you kill one mag, if that is t
he one you are monitoring the tach goes dead with it. -The switch allows
you to switch the tach signal from one mag to the other so you can compare
RPM between the two. -I hope that makes sense.
I used shielded wire for the signal wire from the tach to mag. -Not sure
if that was necessary or not, I was doing it to help ensure that I wouldn't
get radio noise. -Be careful with wire routing, unintentionally groundin
g a wire could shut down a mag.
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK-
-
On 2012-08-23 11:30, Michael Perez wrote:
I really like this idea better. Fortunately, it is not too late for me to s
witch!- If i do, my brand new mechanical tach. and 90 deg. adapter will b
e for sale!
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
--- On Thu, 8/23/12, steve@wotelectronics.com wrote:
From: steve@wotelectronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 /A75Tach
For my A-75 I use a Westach tachometer that just monitors the mag wires for
RPM. -This eliminates the need for a cable to the engine. -Better accu
racy and less maintenance. -No bouncing, no lubing of cables, etc.
I believe this is the model I use, check their-documentation-to make su
re this is the correct model:
-
-
-
-
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/tachometer3at32.php
-
Steve Ruse
Norman, OK
On 2012-08-23 08:40, Michael Perez wrote:
I do not have my tach. in hand at the moment, but I can get you the part nu
mber, (ACS), if you like. I am also using the 90 deg. adapter from ACS, so
the rotation can be switched AND it makes running the tach cable easier in
the small instrument compartment. (My opinion.)
Let me know.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Report - Late |
Kevin, If I make it up to Brodhead next year-we'll stuff your ass in 92GB
and go flying.- I'm glad to hear you are starting to plan the new build.
- If I run past any extra corvair pieces parts that we don't need I will
let you know.- NOW HEAL UP AND GET BACK TO WORK!
-
Shad
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| Subject: | Re: Horn bend pictures. |
Jim and Dan:
Many thanks for the pictures! And no, that wasn't redundant for me... this is the
mental hurdle I am getting over: learning to work with metal.
So, the more pics and advice I get at this stage the better.
I am on my way now to borrow a torch from a friend, and I hope my lovely wife will
allow me to go rent tanks tomorrow, but I fear she's hit her limit on spending
right now (as I AM still officially unemployed... ).
Thanks again!
Mark
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Now that's a woman! See story below... I thought for a minute it was Axle a
n IT girl.=0A=0A=0ARyan=0A=0ADo not archive=0A=0ATo: Ryan M <aircamperace@y
ahoo.com> =0ASent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:04 PM=0ASubject: Fwd: [Acro]
Gladys Ingles=0A =0A=0A=0A=0ASent from my iPad=0A=0ABegin forwarded messag
e:=0A=0A=0AFrom: Jeffery Poehlmann <jeffery@texas.net>=0A>Date: August 23,
2012 4:04:14 PM EDT=0A>To: acro@aerobaticsweb.org=0A>Subject: [Acro] Gladys
Ingles=0A>=0A>=0AIs anyone familiar with a lady wing walker named Gladys I
ngles from the barnstorming days of the 1920's?=0A>-=0A>Check out this fi
lm clip at the YouTube link:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oAzdbd0J2
A=0A>-=0A>The following blurb was going around the Net a while back perta
ining to the film clip:=0A>-=0A>"Fabulous footage, although grainy due to
time and the equipment/film used back then.- This woman has more guts th
an a sausage factory.--Gladys was a member of a barnstorming troupe cal
led the 13 Black Cats in the 1920's and performed as a wing walker.- In t
his film clip, she shows her fearlessness in classic barnstorming fashion t
o save an airplane that has "lost" one of its main wheels.- At the beginn
ing of the clip, Ingles is shown with a replacement wheel being strapped to
her back, then off she goes with "Up She Goes" (a duet from the era) for a
soundtrack. In the film, Ingles transfers herself from the rescue plane to
the one missing the main landing gear wheel. She then climbs down to the u
ndercarriage only a few feet from a spinning prop.- It's a feat many mech
anics wouldn't even try on the ground with the engine running.--She die
d at 82."=0A>-=0A>Notice that she is not wearing a parachute.=0A>-=0A>J
effery Poehlmann=0A>Austin- TX=0A________________________________________
_______=0A>Acro mailing list=0A>Acro@aerobaticsweb.org=0A>http://aerobatics
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Thanks, Greg. We no doubt know some of the same people. We can do the comparison
at Brodhead next year.
do not archive
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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Sounds good Kevin. See you then!
do not archive
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 9:37 PM, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>wrote:
> kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
>
> Thanks, Greg. We no doubt know some of the same people. We can do the
> comparison at Brodhead next year.
>
> do not archive
>
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> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | rebuilding Fat Bottom Girl |
Jim=2C nice to hear of your visit with Axel and the IT Girl=2C and of the u
nbroken spirits of the builder and his stalwart woman. I don't mean to pus
h or pry=2C but I offered some bits for the rebuild but haven't heard if th
ey will be needed. I assume that the condition assessment is still underwa
y=2C but the offer still stands and as soon as there is a rebuild plan=2C w
e just need to know which of our proffered parts will be needed and we'll s
tart boxing them up=2C shipping them=2C and arranging for rides to Georgeto
wn/Austin for whatever is too big or heavy to box and ship.
And Clif=2C in reply to your inquiry=2C when I walked into the house two ho
urs late from work with a 60" long aluminum wing rib concealed under my shi
rt and the smell of Blue Star Stout on my breath (or was it their Belgian C
ountry Ale? I forget)- my wife didn't even bat an eyelash. I do it all th
e time. *hic*
do not archive
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford/Ashland=2C OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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Greg: hearing that you are military, I hesitatingly wonder what your handle was/is.
That last name just had to bring some clever responses. My Marine Prowler
pilot buddy is Kyle "Itchy" Rash. One of his officers is a fellow that I only
remember as "Moth", something to do with his always being drawn to conversations
like a moth to a bright light. Do we dare ask what your handle as "Greg
Bacon" is?
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford/Ashland, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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