---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 08/23/12: 32 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:04 AM - Re: Re: Bending the aileron stick horn... (George Abernathy) 2. 03:47 AM - Re: Bending the aileron stick horn... (Jack Phillips) 3. 04:08 AM - Re: Bending the aileron stick horn... (Jack) 4. 06:40 AM - Re: A65 /A75Tach (Michael Perez) 5. 06:51 AM - Re: Bending the aileron stick horn... (Michael Perez) 6. 07:35 AM - Re: A65 /A75Tach (steve@wotelectronics.com) 7. 07:47 AM - A Word of Thanks and Warning (BYD) 8. 07:54 AM - Re: A65 /A75Tach (Gmail) 9. 08:21 AM - Brodhead Report - Late (kevinpurtee) 10. 08:27 AM - Personal Recovery at 1 Month - Do Not Archive (kevinpurtee) 11. 08:31 AM - Re: Personal Recovery at 1 Month - Do Not Archive (aerocarjake) 12. 08:33 AM - Airplane Recover at 1 Month - Do Not Archive (kevinpurtee) 13. 08:44 AM - Re: Personal Recovery at 1 Month - Do Not Archive (Matthew) 14. 09:28 AM - Re: Airplane Recover at 1 Month - Do Not Archive (Gmail) 15. 09:30 AM - Re: A65 /A75Tach (Michael Perez) 16. 09:41 AM - Horn bend pictures. (Jim Markle) 17. 10:10 AM - Re: Bending the aileron stick horn... (Mark Roberts) 18. 10:11 AM - Re: Bending the aileron stick horn... (Mark Roberts) 19. 01:34 PM - Re: A65 /A75Tach (steve@wotelectronics.com) 20. 02:01 PM - Re: A65 /A75Tach (Jack@textors.com) 21. 02:11 PM - Re: A65 /A75Tach (John Egan) 22. 02:19 PM - Re: Personal Recovery at 1 Month - Do Not Archive (K5YAC) 23. 02:31 PM - Re: Horn bend pictures. (dwilson) 24. 04:33 PM - Re: Re: Bending the aileron stick horn... (Michael Perez) 25. 04:37 PM - Re: A65 /A75Tach (Michael Perez) 26. 04:52 PM - Re: Brodhead Report - Late (shad bell) 27. 05:17 PM - Re: Horn bend pictures. (Mark Roberts) 28. 05:38 PM - Gladys Ingles (Ryan M) 29. 07:37 PM - Re: Airplane Recover at 1 Month - Do Not Archive (kevinpurtee) 30. 08:31 PM - Re: Re: Airplane Recover at 1 Month - Do Not Archive (Greg Bacon) 31. 09:35 PM - rebuilding Fat Bottom Girl (Oscar Zuniga) 32. 10:07 PM - Re: Airplane Recover at 1 Month - Do Not Archive (taildrags) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:04:30 AM PST US From: George Abernathy Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending the aileron stick horn... Hi Mark,=0A=0AThe jig is made up of a swap meet tent plate for a base and a couple of ford shifter arms for a three on a tree that =0A=0Athe metal sup plier screwed up. They supplied the wrong grade of metal. Shifter arms need to be high tensile stuff. =0A=0AThe part where the horn is mounted is anot her swap meet tent plate with a couple of machine screws stuck through it. =0A=0A=0AIt is basically just some pipes and plates. I have a walk policy. If I walk past something that will work I figure that I wasted time. Some o f my stuff tends to be a little organic. =0A=0A=0AIf you google english whe els and home made they say to use a car steering column for the slidey part that pushes up the bottom roller. I found a piece of bar stock and some sq uare tubing. They weren't quite the right size to slide so I made the bar s tock bigger by welding some beads on it and ground it back with my nine inc h grinder. =0A=0A=0AOne thing I like about OZ is that you get some real pow er out of the wall outlet. The grinder is about three horsepower and before I got used to the power it left my hands and launched . Now I know to hang onto the thing. And never let it bind because parts are gonna fly.-=0A =0AI then bashed to fit and painted to cover. =0A=0A=0A=0A_________________ _______________=0A From: Mark Roberts =0ATo: pietenp ol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 4:29 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending the aileron stick horn...=0A =0A--> Pietenpol- List message posted by: "Mark Roberts" =0A=0AHey aus siegeorge!=0A=0AThat was VERY helpful! Thanks very much for that post. Just watched the videos and I feel as though I have an idea of what I need to d o, including the welding jig thingie (for lack of it's proper name... Where 'd you get that jig anyway?)=0A=0AThanks again!=0A=0AMark=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARea d this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p =========================0A - - - - - - - - - - - - -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ==== ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:47:36 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Bending the aileron stick horn... I just used a vise, a lengthof =BD=94 steel rod as a form, and a hammer. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George Abernathy Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 2:02 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bending the aileron stick horn... Hello there Mark, English wheel is the way to go on that one. See my 2 part video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB9E43TuaFM and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmKlrJ6CNeg The wheel is not hard to make. Basically you need a C shaped frame with a flat bearing on top and a curved one pushed up underneath it. Some sort of screw thingey to push the two together. see this ebay link http://www.ebay.com/itm/1x3-English-Wheel-Anvil-Set-by-Hoosier-Profiles-/ 320 968201275?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4abb32143b Or you can put "english wheel" in the search window and come up with some more kinky stuff and books and such. 101 pages worth. 75 listings under industrial. _____ From: Mark Roberts Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 11:30 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bending the aileron stick horn... Hi all: I picked up 2 sets of aileron ent stick control horns today from the laser cutter. It's made from .032 4130 steel. I want to bend them so that they are concave per the plans and weld the edges together. What's the best way to gently bend plates feel like this so that they have to concave house? The Tony B. books are coming this week, but I am curious if you guys have ideas to bend them gently so that they will be rigid. Thanks! ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:08:44 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Bending the aileron stick horn... Mark I started out using a bead roller seen here http://textors.com/temp_035.jpg . I preferred just forming around a 3/8 piece of rod, holding it in my wood vise. Dan is right the second set looks better seen here http://textors.com/Tahoe_002.jpg Jack Textor DSM NX1929T _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 8:31 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Bending the aileron stick horn... Hi all: I picked up 2 sets of aileron ent stick control horns today from the laser cutter. It's made from .032 4130 steel. I want to bend them so that they are concave per the plans and weld the edges together. What's the best way to gently bend plates feel like this so that they have to concave house? The Tony B. books are coming this week, but I am curious if you guys have ideas to bend them gently so that they will be rigid. Thanks! ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:52 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 /A75Tach I do not have my tach. in hand at the moment, but I can get you the part number, (ACS), if you like. I am also using the 90 deg. adapter from ACS, so the rotation can be switched AND it makes running the tach cable easier in the small instrument compartment. (My opinion.) Let me know. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:44 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Bending the aileron stick horn... I decided to bend mine as pictured. (attached)- Very easy to bend, easy t o weld.- The bend adds rigidity. Slightly better aerodynamically than a f lat piece. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com =0A ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:36 AM PST US From: steve@wotelectronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 /A75Tach For my A-75 I use a Westach tachometer that just monitors the mag wires for RPM. This eliminates the need for a cable to the engine. Better accuracy and less maintenance. No bouncing, no lubing of cables, etc. I believe this is the model I use, check their documentation to make sure this is the correct model: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/tachometer3at32.php [1] Steve Ruse Norman, OK On 2012-08-23 08:40, Michael Perez wrote: > I do not have my tach. in hand at the moment, but I can get you the part number, (ACS), if you like. I am also using the 90 deg. adapter from ACS, so the rotation can be switched AND it makes running the tach cable easier in the small instrument compartment. (My opinion.) > > Let me know. > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > HTTP://WWW.MATRONICS.COM/CONTRIBUTION Links: ------ [1] http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/tachometer3at32.php ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:47:49 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: A Word of Thanks and Warning From: "BYD" First off thanks to Earl Brown (echobravo4) for releasing a reserved registration! Then, a warning to the group about reserving numbers with the FAA. When I first reserved my number I paid by check and wrote in the Memo filed what number it was for so once the check had cleared I could provide proof I had reserved that number. As time went by, I utilized the web-based payment which gave me an entry on my credit card statement that I had paid the FAA $10, but no explanation what that money was for. As I worked towards certification and just before calling for inspection I was double checking everything when to my horror, I discovered someone else had reserved the same number I had. I dont understand how it happened, but going through convincing myself that I had kept up the payments I realized that I couldnt prove that was what the money was intended for. So be forewarned. You might want a paper trail to show your intentions. And a big THANKS to Earl for releasing the number so I could re-reserve it. Imagine redoing all your paperwork, replacing data and ID plates and all the time and effort to convince the powers to be that all is correct. Whew. I can sleep again tonight and not worried that Newt will ground me. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381603#381603 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:07 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 /A75Tach From: Gmail Thanks for the info Steve. Does it have a clamp, like a timing light? Greg Bacon Garratt Callahan gbacon@g-c.com (573)489-4795 On Aug 23, 2012, at 9:34 AM, steve@wotelectronics.com wrote: > For my A-75 I use a Westach tachometer that just monitors the mag wires fo r RPM. This eliminates the need for a cable to the engine. Better accuracy and less maintenance. No bouncing, no lubing of cables, etc. > > I believe this is the model I use, check their documentation to make sure t his is the correct model: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/tachometer3at32.php > > > > Steve Ruse > Norman, OK > > On 2012-08-23 08:40, Michael Perez wrote: > >> I do not have my tach. in hand at the moment, but I can get you the part n umber, (ACS), if you like. I am also using the 90 deg. adapter from ACS, so t he rotation can be switched AND it makes running the tach cable easier in th e small instrument compartment. (My opinion.) >> >> Let me know. >> >> Michael Perez >> Pietenpol HINT Videos >> Karetaker Aero >> www.karetakeraero.com >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List-> http://forums.matroni cs.com > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:15 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Report - Late From: "kevinpurtee" My life has now been conveniently divided into pre- & post-crash segments. Here are a few thoughts on the 4 days prior to the mayhem. The trip up was blessedly uneventful. Gave a bunch of rides on Thursday and Friday. Didn't give rides on Saturday 'cause we popped a spoke (see below). I am delighted for Dan Helsper that he gave more rides than I did this year. Hated missing Saturday, but so be it. John Hoffman, Dan Yocum, and Randy Bush were kind enough to let me fly their Piets. They all flew in a very similar manner and there was no problem transitioning between them. I noticed that the short fuselage was a little small for me, but I did fit. The two continental powered aircraft were rock steady and climbed in a stately manner. John's to-the-plans airplane is a credit to the design. The climb rates of the two corvair powered aircraft were significantly higher, as you'd expect with the extra power. All the aircraft flew well, but Randy's was an exceptional pleasure to fly. Not sure what he did, but I'll find out and emulate it on our next plane. All three aircraft had the smaller wheels and were simple to land. I spoke to Jack Phillips about the difference in wheel size and landing/ground handling. He and I now have 8-9 Piets between us and about 700 hours. Our distinctly non-scientific sense is that the smaller wheeled aircraft seem easier to land. The big wheeled aircraft are fine, but you have to pay a little more attention. (Remember, I said non-scientific and not all-inclusive. Your experience may be different. FWIW.) The social events were outstanding. Jack & Susan's Brat Feed, combined with the Racine gilatto, was a blast. Spaghetti night was fun as well. As always, we need to thank Doc, Dee & the other volunteers for their work. Shelley won one of the Douwe sculptures from the silent auction. It sits prominently in our living room now. We had a blast! Looking forward to next year. I'm hoping some of the kind pilots will give me rides:). (The spokes: we busted several spokes a couple of years ago. I replaced them with Buchanan spokes and loosened them significantly. That solved the issue for several hundred landings. I took a big guy for a ride this year and that may have caused the problem. No more of that. Regardless, we've talked about it extensively and we think the problem may have been with the big honkin' brake disks. The spokes always broke on the brake disk side. The brakes were not as powerful as they looked, but they may have been more powerful than I realized.) -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381609#381609 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:27:55 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Personal Recovery at 1 Month - Do Not Archive From: "kevinpurtee" This is my 2nd week back at work. I'm down to using a cane and can actually walk without it (kind of). We fired the crutches yesterday & the walker over the weekend. The broken femur remains the biggest challenge. The rest of the mess is healing or healed. Unbelievable! I'm to the point where I can work in the garage for hours instead of minutes. Miraculous! do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381610#381610 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:40 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Personal Recovery at 1 Month - Do Not Archive From: "aerocarjake" Amazing..... Glad you are getting back to the proper "low and slow" speed of a Pietenpoler..... Do not archive (reading once is quite enough....) -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381611#381611 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:51 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airplane Recover at 1 Month - Do Not Archive From: "kevinpurtee" Thanks to Jim Markle for helping Shelley sort through the remains of FBG last week (while I sat and watched). The destroyed right wing is now a memory except for the few pieces of hardware I'm going to recover. We'll tackle the rest of the plane when I get stronger. We uncovered and inspected the tail surfaces. One elevator is condemned but the other is undamaged. The horizontal stabilizer and rudder are repairable. The vertical stabilizer is undamaged. Woo hoo! do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381612#381612 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:34 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Personal Recovery at 1 Month - Do Not Archive From: Matthew Excellent news! Glad to hear that your recovery is coming along at a great pace! Do not archive Sent from my iPhone On Aug 23, 2012, at 11:26 AM, "kevinpurtee" wrote: > > This is my 2nd week back at work. I'm down to using a cane and can actually walk without it (kind of). We fired the crutches yesterday & the walker over the weekend. The broken femur remains the biggest challenge. The rest of the mess is healing or healed. Unbelievable! > > I'm to the point where I can work in the garage for hours instead of minutes. > > Miraculous! > > do not archive > > -------- > Kevin "Axel" Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/San Marcos, TX > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381610#381610 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 09:28:26 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Airplane Recover at 1 Month - Do Not Archive From: Gmail Kevin, Glad to hear you are a mending well. We have not met yet, but you and I are Army brothers. In fact, I served in an Apache unit (1-101st "Expect No Mercy") as a scout platoon leader back in the early 90s. Anyway, if FBG needs engine parts, let me know. I have enough for at least one WW conversion. Greg Bacon Garratt Callahan gbacon@g-c.com (573)489-4795 On Aug 23, 2012, at 10:33 AM, "kevinpurtee" wrote: > > Thanks to Jim Markle for helping Shelley sort through the remains of FBG last week (while I sat and watched). > > The destroyed right wing is now a memory except for the few pieces of hardware I'm going to recover. We'll tackle the rest of the plane when I get stronger. > > We uncovered and inspected the tail surfaces. One elevator is condemned but the other is undamaged. The horizontal stabilizer and rudder are repairable. The vertical stabilizer is undamaged. Woo hoo! > > do not archive > > -------- > Kevin "Axel" Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/San Marcos, TX > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381612#381612 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:36 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 /A75Tach I really like this idea better. Fortunately, it is not too late for me to s witch!- If i do, my brand new mechanical tach. and 90 deg. adapter will b e for sale! Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com --- On Thu, 8/23/12, steve@wotelectronics.com wr ote: From: steve@wotelectronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 /A75Tach =0A=0AFor my A-75 I use a Westach tachometer that just monitors the mag wir es for RPM. -This eliminates the need for a cable to the engine. -Bette r accuracy and less maintenance. -No bouncing, no lubing of cables, etc. =0AI believe this is the model I use, check their-documentation-to make sure this is the correct model:=0A-=0A-=0A-=0A-=0Ahttp://www.aircr aftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/tachometer3at32.php=0A-=0ASteve Ruse Norman, OK=0AOn 2012-08-23 08:40, Michael Perez wrote:=0A=0A=0A=0A=0AI do n ot have my tach. in hand at the moment, but I can get you the part number, (ACS), if you like. I am also using the 90 deg. adapter from ACS, so the ro tation can be switched AND it makes running the tach cable easier in the sm all instrument compartment. (My opinion.) Let me know. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com =0A=0A=0A=0Ahttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List-> http://foru ms.matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Horn bend pictures. Well Mark, I promised pictures of how I did it but at this point....kinda redundant! :-) Lots of great suggestions on the process and there's really nothing of any value I can add beyond what's been suggested. I think Jack's "clamp to a round bar and bend..." was the best. These horns are incredibly strong when built like he described it. AND when built to plans! Lightweight and stronger than they'll EVER need to be. Win/win..... Again, not meaning to beat a dead horse (we never do that, do we?), I've attached some pictures.... Jim in Pryor ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:10:20 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending the aileron stick horn... From: "Mark Roberts" Thanks guys! I appreciate the help. I had 2 sets of the arm made so I could screw one up, as I figured there would be a learning curve. Michael, I thought at first I might do as it appears you did and just bend a straight line down the center and weld away. Might still go that route, but I will most likely try the mandrel and hammer treatment first. Don't have the time or money to build an English Wheel, although I'd like one! Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381625#381625 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 10:11:14 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending the aileron stick horn... From: "Mark Roberts" BTW, Michael, how'd you bend the straight line down the horn so neatly? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381626#381626 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:34:17 PM PST US From: steve@wotelectronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 /A75Tach Michael, One more comment on the Westach electronic signal tach...you do need to add a simple Left/Right switch on the panel to control which mag the tach is monitoring. It will work without this switch, but without the switch the tach will go dead when you do your runup and switch to one mag. (i.e., it can only monitor one mag at a time). When on "both" this doesn't matter, but when you do your left/right mag check you kill one mag, if that is the one you are monitoring the tach goes dead with it. The switch allows you to switch the tach signal from one mag to the other so you can compare RPM between the two. I hope that makes sense. I used shielded wire for the signal wire from the tach to mag. Not sure if that was necessary or not, I was doing it to help ensure that I wouldn't get radio noise. Be careful with wire routing, unintentionally grounding a wire could shut down a mag. Steve Ruse Norman, OK On 2012-08-23 11:30, Michael Perez wrote: > I really like this idea better. Fortunately, it is not too late for me to switch! If i do, my brand new mechanical tach. and 90 deg. adapter will be for sale! > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > --- On THU, 8/23/12, STEVE@WOTELECTRONICS.COM __ wrote: > >> From: steve@wotelectronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 /A75Tach >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Date: Thursday, August 23, 2012, 10:34 AM >> >> For my A-75 I use a Westach tachometer that just monitors the mag wires for RPM. This eliminates the need for a cable to the engine. Better accuracy and less maintenance. No bouncing, no lubing of cables, etc. >> >> I believe this is the model I use, check their documentation to make sure this is the correct model: >> >> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/tachometer3at32.php [1] >> >> Steve Ruse >> Norman, OK >> >> On 2012-08-23 08:40, Michael Perez wrote: >> >>> I do not have my tach. in hand at the moment, but I can get you the part number, (ACS), if you like. I am also using the 90 deg. adapter from ACS, so the rotation can be switched AND it makes running the tach cable easier in the small instrument compartment. (My opinion.) >>> >>> Let me know. >>> >>> Michael Perez >>> Pietenpol HINT Videos >>> Karetaker Aero >>> www.karetakeraero.com >>> >>> HTTP://WWW.MATRONICS.COM/NAVIGATOR?PIETENPOL-LIST-> HTTP://FORUMS.MATRONICS.COM >> >> HTTP://WWW.MATRONICS.C================= > > HTTP://WWW.MATRONICS.COM/CONTRIBUTION Links: ------ [1] http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/tachometer3at32.php ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:01:02 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 /A75Tach From: "Jack@textors.com" Steve do you have a diagram of that setup? Jack Textor Sent from my iPad On Aug 23, 2012, at 3:33 PM, steve@wotelectronics.com wrote: > Michael, > > One more comment on the Westach electronic signal tach...you do need to ad d a simple Left/Right switch on the panel to control which mag the tach is m onitoring. It will work without this switch, but without the switch the tac h will go dead when you do your runup and switch to one mag. (i.e., it can o nly monitor one mag at a time). When on "both" this doesn't matter, but whe n you do your left/right mag check you kill one mag, if that is the one you a re monitoring the tach goes dead with it. The switch allows you to switch t he tach signal from one mag to the other so you can compare RPM between the t wo. I hope that makes sense. > > I used shielded wire for the signal wire from the tach to mag. Not sure i f that was necessary or not, I was doing it to help ensure that I wouldn't g et radio noise. Be careful with wire routing, unintentionally grounding a w ire could shut down a mag. > > Steve Ruse > Norman, OK > > > > On 2012-08-23 11:30, Michael Perez wrote: > >> I really like this idea better. Fortunately, it is not too late for me to switch! If i do, my brand new mechanical tach. and 90 deg. adapter will be for sale! >> >> Michael Perez >> Pietenpol HINT Videos >> Karetaker Aero >> www.karetakeraero.com >> >> --- On Thu, 8/23/12, steve@wotelectronics.com wrote: >> >> From: steve@wotelectronics.com >> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 /A75Tach >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Date: Thursday, August 23, 2012, 10:34 AM >> >> For my A-75 I use a Westach tachometer that just monitors the mag wires f or RPM. This eliminates the need for a cable to the engine. Better accurac y and less maintenance. No bouncing, no lubing of cables, etc. >> >> I believe this is the model I use, check their documentation to make sure this is the correct model: >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/tachometer3at32.php >> >> >> >> Steve Ruse >> Norman, OK >> >> On 2012-08-23 08:40, Michael Perez wrote: >> >> I do not have my tach. in hand at the moment, but I can get you the part n umber, (ACS), if you like. I am also using the 90 deg. adapter from ACS, so t he rotation can be switched AND it makes running the tach cable easier in th e small instrument compartment. (My opinion.) >> >> Let me know. >> >> Michael Perez >> Pietenpol HINT Videos >> Karetaker Aero >> www.karetakeraero.com >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List-> http://forums.matroni cs.com >> >> >> >> http://www.matronics.c================= = >> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List-> http://forums.matroni cs.com > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:31 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 /A75Tach From: John Egan <1smilingmoon@gmail.com> First, from one of the persons looking for a tach. Thank you all. Good discussion. Regarding Westach, I just called there, and learned that the tachs in our discussion have two wires, one to a ground, and one to a p-lead. Another option is the buy and install a generator from Westach, which is a module that attaches the to the existing tach cable port on the engine case, then attach the tach wire to it. This leaves the mags out of the picture, but will measure engine rpm with each mag test. The part number for the generator is "303DGT". I spoke with Pete who answered the phone and who is the owner. The generator works on either clockwise or counterclockwise rotation. I'm on the fence as to which type of tach to use (tradition or Westach). thanks again, john On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 4:00 PM, Jack@textors.com wrote: > Steve do you have a diagram of that setup? > > Jack Textor > Sent from my iPad > > On Aug 23, 2012, at 3:33 PM, steve@wotelectronics.com wrote: > > Michael, > > One more comment on the Westach electronic signal tach...you do need to > add a simple Left/Right switch on the panel to control which mag the tach > is monitoring. It will work without this switch, but without the switch > the tach will go dead when you do your runup and switch to one mag. (i.e., > it can only monitor one mag at a time). When on "both" this doesn't > matter, but when you do your left/right mag check you kill one mag, if that > is the one you are monitoring the tach goes dead with it. The switch > allows you to switch the tach signal from one mag to the other so you can > compare RPM between the two. I hope that makes sense. > > I used shielded wire for the signal wire from the tach to mag. Not sure > if that was necessary or not, I was doing it to help ensure that I wouldn't > get radio noise. Be careful with wire routing, unintentionally grounding a > wire could shut down a mag. > > Steve Ruse > Norman, OK > > > On 2012-08-23 11:30, Michael Perez wrote: > > I really like this idea better. Fortunately, it is not too late for me > to switch! If i do, my brand new mechanical tach. and 90 deg. adapter will > be for sale! > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > --- On *Thu, 8/23/12, steve@wotelectronics.com *wrote: > > > From: steve@wotelectronics.com > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 /A75Tach > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Thursday, August 23, 2012, 10:34 AM > > For my A-75 I use a Westach tachometer that just monitors the mag wires > for RPM. This eliminates the need for a cable to the engine. Better > accuracy and less maintenance. No bouncing, no lubing of cables, etc. > > I believe this is the model I use, check their documentation to make sure > this is the correct model: > > > http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/tachometer3at32.php > > > Steve Ruse > Norman, OK > > On 2012-08-23 08:40, Michael Perez wrote: > > I do not have my tach. in hand at the moment, but I can get you the > part number, (ACS), if you like. I am also using the 90 deg. adapter from > ACS, so the rotation can be switched AND it makes running the tach cable > easier in the small instrument compartment. (My opinion.) > > Let me know. > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List-> http://forums.matronics.com* > > > ** *http://www.matronics.c================== * > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List-> http://forums.matronics.com* > > > > > > > * > > * > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:19:06 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Personal Recovery at 1 Month - Do Not Archive From: "K5YAC" Really great news Kevin! Glad you are getting around ok. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381648#381648 ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:31:21 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Horn bend pictures. From: "dwilson" Here is a picture of my jig for forming the aileron horns. Ken Perkins described this to me at Brodhead a few years ago. It is a 3/8 inch round steel rod welded to a 3/4 X 3/4 inch angle iron 10 inches long. I simply hold the jig and one side of the horn in the vise and bend the leading edge of the horn around the rod with a hammer as shown in Jim's photo. I bent one up this morning just for the picture. This jig is so handy I also have a 1/2, 5/8,3/4, and 1 inch version. Note that I do not bend the tabs out. I weld a piece of channel in the opening so that the bolts run horizontally between the elevator and horizontal stabilizer. This one took about 10 minutes to cut and form. Any one have a tig welder... Dan Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381649#381649 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/horn_jig_195.jpg ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 04:33:50 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Bending the aileron stick horn... I used a- brake, by hand, the brake was not powered in any way. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:37:11 PM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 /A75Tach Thanks for the added intel. I would never have thought of that until I star ted the installation. (switching between the mags.) Did you figure this out , or did the tach. instructions tell you? - If you have pictures, I would be interested in seeing the tach, wiring and the "switch" switch. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com --- On Thu, 8/23/12, steve@wotelectronics.com wr ote: From: steve@wotelectronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 /A75Tach Michael, One more comment on the Westach electronic signal tach...you do need to add a simple Left/Right switch on the panel to control which mag the tach is m onitoring. -It will work without this switch, but without the switch the tach will go dead when you do your runup and switch to one mag. -(i.e., i t can only monitor one mag at a time). -When on "both" this doesn't matte r, but when you do your left/right mag check you kill one mag, if that is t he one you are monitoring the tach goes dead with it. -The switch allows you to switch the tach signal from one mag to the other so you can compare RPM between the two. -I hope that makes sense. I used shielded wire for the signal wire from the tach to mag. -Not sure if that was necessary or not, I was doing it to help ensure that I wouldn't get radio noise. -Be careful with wire routing, unintentionally groundin g a wire could shut down a mag. Steve Ruse Norman, OK- - On 2012-08-23 11:30, Michael Perez wrote: I really like this idea better. Fortunately, it is not too late for me to s witch!- If i do, my brand new mechanical tach. and 90 deg. adapter will b e for sale! Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com --- On Thu, 8/23/12, steve@wotelectronics.com wrote: From: steve@wotelectronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A65 /A75Tach For my A-75 I use a Westach tachometer that just monitors the mag wires for RPM. -This eliminates the need for a cable to the engine. -Better accu racy and less maintenance. -No bouncing, no lubing of cables, etc. I believe this is the model I use, check their-documentation-to make su re this is the correct model: - - - - http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/inpages/tachometer3at32.php - Steve Ruse Norman, OK On 2012-08-23 08:40, Michael Perez wrote: I do not have my tach. in hand at the moment, but I can get you the part nu mber, (ACS), if you like. I am also using the 90 deg. adapter from ACS, so the rotation can be switched AND it makes running the tach cable easier in the small instrument compartment. (My opinion.) Let me know. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.comhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List-> ht tp://forums.matronics.com - -http://www.matronics.c================ == http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List-> http://forums.ma tronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Brodhead Report - Late Kevin, If I make it up to Brodhead next year-we'll stuff your ass in 92GB and go flying.- I'm glad to hear you are starting to plan the new build. - If I run past any extra corvair pieces parts that we don't need I will let you know.- NOW HEAL UP AND GET BACK TO WORK! - Shad don't archive ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:17:01 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Horn bend pictures. From: "Mark Roberts" Jim and Dan: Many thanks for the pictures! And no, that wasn't redundant for me... this is the mental hurdle I am getting over: learning to work with metal. So, the more pics and advice I get at this stage the better. I am on my way now to borrow a torch from a friend, and I hope my lovely wife will allow me to go rent tanks tomorrow, but I fear she's hit her limit on spending right now (as I AM still officially unemployed... ). Thanks again! Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381656#381656 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:38:50 PM PST US From: Ryan M Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gladys Ingles Now that's a woman! See story below... I thought for a minute it was Axle a n IT girl.=0A=0A=0ARyan=0A=0ADo not archive=0A=0ATo: Ryan M =0ASent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 8:04 PM=0ASubject: Fwd: [Acro] Gladys Ingles=0A =0A=0A=0A=0ASent from my iPad=0A=0ABegin forwarded messag e:=0A=0A=0AFrom: Jeffery Poehlmann =0A>Date: August 23, 2012 4:04:14 PM EDT=0A>To: acro@aerobaticsweb.org=0A>Subject: [Acro] Gladys Ingles=0A>=0A>=0AIs anyone familiar with a lady wing walker named Gladys I ngles from the barnstorming days of the 1920's?=0A>-=0A>Check out this fi lm clip at the YouTube link:- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oAzdbd0J2 A=0A>-=0A>The following blurb was going around the Net a while back perta ining to the film clip:=0A>-=0A>"Fabulous footage, although grainy due to time and the equipment/film used back then.- This woman has more guts th an a sausage factory.--Gladys was a member of a barnstorming troupe cal led the 13 Black Cats in the 1920's and performed as a wing walker.- In t his film clip, she shows her fearlessness in classic barnstorming fashion t o save an airplane that has "lost" one of its main wheels.- At the beginn ing of the clip, Ingles is shown with a replacement wheel being strapped to her back, then off she goes with "Up She Goes" (a duet from the era) for a soundtrack. In the film, Ingles transfers herself from the rescue plane to the one missing the main landing gear wheel. She then climbs down to the u ndercarriage only a few feet from a spinning prop.- It's a feat many mech anics wouldn't even try on the ground with the engine running.--She die d at 82."=0A>-=0A>Notice that she is not wearing a parachute.=0A>-=0A>J effery Poehlmann=0A>Austin- TX=0A________________________________________ _______=0A>Acro mailing list=0A>Acro@aerobaticsweb.org=0A>http://aerobatics web.org/mailman/listinfo/acro=0A> ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 07:37:55 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Airplane Recover at 1 Month - Do Not Archive From: "kevinpurtee" Thanks, Greg. We no doubt know some of the same people. We can do the comparison at Brodhead next year. do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381659#381659 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 08:31:58 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Airplane Recover at 1 Month - Do Not Archive From: Greg Bacon Sounds good Kevin. See you then! do not archive On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 9:37 PM, kevinpurtee wrote: > kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> > > Thanks, Greg. We no doubt know some of the same people. We can do the > comparison at Brodhead next year. > > do not archive > > -------- > Kevin "Axel" Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/San Marcos, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381659#381659 > > -- Greg Bacon ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 09:35:04 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: rebuilding Fat Bottom Girl Jim=2C nice to hear of your visit with Axel and the IT Girl=2C and of the u nbroken spirits of the builder and his stalwart woman. I don't mean to pus h or pry=2C but I offered some bits for the rebuild but haven't heard if th ey will be needed. I assume that the condition assessment is still underwa y=2C but the offer still stands and as soon as there is a rebuild plan=2C w e just need to know which of our proffered parts will be needed and we'll s tart boxing them up=2C shipping them=2C and arranging for rides to Georgeto wn/Austin for whatever is too big or heavy to box and ship. And Clif=2C in reply to your inquiry=2C when I walked into the house two ho urs late from work with a 60" long aluminum wing rib concealed under my shi rt and the smell of Blue Star Stout on my breath (or was it their Belgian C ountry Ale? I forget)- my wife didn't even bat an eyelash. I do it all th e time. *hic* do not archive Oscar Zuniga Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket" Medford/Ashland=2C OR website at http://www.flysquirrel.net ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 10:07:23 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Airplane Recover at 1 Month - Do Not Archive From: "taildrags" Greg: hearing that you are military, I hesitatingly wonder what your handle was/is. That last name just had to bring some clever responses. My Marine Prowler pilot buddy is Kyle "Itchy" Rash. One of his officers is a fellow that I only remember as "Moth", something to do with his always being drawn to conversations like a moth to a bright light. Do we dare ask what your handle as "Greg Bacon" is? -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford/Ashland, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=381663#381663 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.