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1. 04:07 AM - Re: Personal Recovery at 1 Month - Do Not Archive (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 04:51 AM - Re: Brodhead Report - Late (Robert Bush)
3. 06:05 AM - eyebrows for Corvair (Rick Schreiber)
4. 06:26 AM - Re: eyebrows for Corvair (Ken Bickers)
5. 06:48 AM - Re: rebuilding Fat Bottom Girl (Jim Markle)
6. 07:01 AM - Re: Gladys Ingles (dgaldrich)
7. 07:18 AM - Re: Re: Horn bend pictures. (Michael Perez)
8. 08:26 AM - Re: eyebrows for Corvair (taildrags)
9. 09:11 AM - Re: A65-75 Tach discussion (Woodflier@aol.com)
10. 09:54 AM - Re: eyebrows for Corvair (kevinpurtee)
11. 09:59 AM - Re: rebuilding Fat Bottom Girl (kevinpurtee)
12. 10:05 AM - Re: Brodhead Report - Late (kevinpurtee)
13. 10:23 AM - Re: Re: Brodhead Report - Late (Jack Phillips)
14. 01:13 PM - a little flying---of possible interest (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
15. 01:22 PM - Re: eyebrows for Corvair (Robert Bush)
16. 01:31 PM - Re: Re: Airplane Recover at 1 Month - Do Not Archive (Gmail)
17. 08:50 PM - Operation Axel complete! (Operation Axel)
18. 08:57 PM - Re: a little flying---of possible interest (Jim Markle)
19. 09:08 PM - Re: Operation Axel complete! (Amsafetyc)
20. 09:26 PM - Total time to build (Gary Boothe)
21. 10:13 PM - Re: eyebrows for Corvair (Gary Boothe)
22. 10:34 PM - Re: Total time to build (aerocarjake)
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| Subject: | Re: Personal Recovery at 1 Month - Do Not Archive |
Truely a miracle. The bionic man lives!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
Sent: Thu, Aug 23, 2012 11:10 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Personal Recovery at 1 Month - Do Not Archive
il>
This is my 2nd week back at work. I'm down to using a cane and can actuall
y
walk without it (kind of). We fired the crutches yesterday & the walker ov
er
the weekend. The broken femur remains the biggest challenge. The rest of
the
mess is healing or healed. Unbelievable!
I'm to the point where I can work in the garage for hours instead of minute
s.
Miraculous!
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Report - Late |
Hi Kevin ,
Glad to see your getting better .if your at brodhead next year you are welcome
to fly my plane as much as you want.
Randy Bush
Do not archive
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 23, 2012, at 10:20 AM, "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote:
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> My life has now been conveniently divided into pre- & post-crash segments. Here
are a few thoughts on the 4 days prior to the mayhem.
>
> The trip up was blessedly uneventful. Gave a bunch of rides on Thursday and
Friday. Didn't give rides on Saturday 'cause we popped a spoke (see below).
I am delighted for Dan Helsper that he gave more rides than I did this year.
Hated missing Saturday, but so be it.
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> John Hoffman, Dan Yocum, and Randy Bush were kind enough to let me fly their
Piets. They all flew in a very similar manner and there was no problem transitioning
between them. I noticed that the short fuselage was a little small for
me, but I did fit. The two continental powered aircraft were rock steady and
climbed in a stately manner. John's to-the-plans airplane is a credit to the
design. The climb rates of the two corvair powered aircraft were significantly
higher, as you'd expect with the extra power. All the aircraft flew well,
but Randy's was an exceptional pleasure to fly. Not sure what he did, but I'll
find out and emulate it on our next plane.
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> All three aircraft had the smaller wheels and were simple to land. I spoke to
Jack Phillips about the difference in wheel size and landing/ground handling.
He and I now have 8-9 Piets between us and about 700 hours. Our distinctly
non-scientific sense is that the smaller wheeled aircraft seem easier to land.
The big wheeled aircraft are fine, but you have to pay a little more attention.
(Remember, I said non-scientific and not all-inclusive. Your experience
may be different. FWIW.)
>
> The social events were outstanding. Jack & Susan's Brat Feed, combined with
the Racine gilatto, was a blast. Spaghetti night was fun as well. As always,
we need to thank Doc, Dee & the other volunteers for their work. Shelley won
one of the Douwe sculptures from the silent auction. It sits prominently in
our living room now.
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> We had a blast! Looking forward to next year. I'm hoping some of the kind pilots
will give me rides:).
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> (The spokes: we busted several spokes a couple of years ago. I replaced them
with Buchanan spokes and loosened them significantly. That solved the issue
for several hundred landings. I took a big guy for a ride this year and that
may have caused the problem. No more of that. Regardless, we've talked about
it extensively and we think the problem may have been with the big honkin' brake
disks. The spokes always broke on the brake disk side. The brakes were not
as powerful as they looked, but they may have been more powerful than I realized.)
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> Kevin "Axel" Purtee
> NX899KP
> Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | eyebrows for Corvair |
I am getting ready to make eyebrows for my corvair and was wondering how
high the front of the eyebrow should be for efficient cooling. Those of
you that have flying corvairs, how high did you go. I was looking at the
eyebrows on a friends A65 powered J3 cub and the cross-sectional area on
his eyebrows are about 28 sq. in. That would make the eyebrow on a
corvair installation about 4-1/2 inches high. Does that seem about right.
Rick Schreiber
Valparaiso IN
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| Subject: | Re: eyebrows for Corvair |
I'm not to this stage just yet, but look forward to the suggestions
and advice. Ken
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 7:04 AM, Rick Schreiber <lmforge@earthlink.net> wrote:
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> I am getting ready to make eyebrows for my corvair and was wondering how
> high the front of the eyebrow should be for efficient cooling. Those of you
> that have flying corvairs, how high did you go. I was looking at the
> eyebrows on a friends A65 powered J3 cub and the cross-sectional area on his
> eyebrows are about 28 sq. in. That would make the eyebrow on a corvair
> installation about 4-1/2 inches high. Does that seem about right.
>
> Rick Schreiber
> Valparaiso IN
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| Subject: | Re: rebuilding Fat Bottom Girl |
Hey Oscar!
Well, getting to help out in such a small way was MY pleasure! I know every one
of us would jump at the chance and I was lucky enough to get there first...
I forwarded Kevin the list of parts/supplies offered. So unless it's better for
me to stay involved, Kevin is taking it from here. I do know the list had several
duplicate sets of some items (control horns for example) and of course
Kevin will only need one. Extra parts...How cool is that!?
Having said all that, I'm going to still keep an eye out for extras around my shop
that might be usable for the rebuild. And when I come across some part or
material, I'm gonna let Kevin know directly. I would encourage all to do the
same.
And hey, what about "what happens in San Antonio stays in San Antonio"????? (I
can think of a few more comments but they'll ALL get me in more trouble so I'll
stop now...)
JM in Pryor
-----Original Message-----
From: Oscar Zuniga
Sent: Aug 24, 2012 12:34 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: rebuilding Fat Bottom Girl
Jim, nice to hear of your visit with Axel and the IT Girl, and of the unbroken
spirits of the builder and his stalwart woman. I don't mean to push or pry, but
I offered some bits for the rebuild but haven't heard if they will be needed.
I assume that the condition assessment is still underway, but the offer still
stands and as soon as there is a rebuild plan, we just need to know which
of our proffered parts will be needed and we'll start boxing them up, shipping
them, and arranging for rides to Georgetown/Austin for whatever is too big or
heavy to box and ship.
And Clif, in reply to your inquiry, when I walked into the house two hours late
from work with a 60" long aluminum wing rib concealed under my shirt and the
smell of Blue Star Stout on my breath (or was it their Belgian Country Ale? I
forget)- my wife didn't even bat an eyelash. I do it all the time. *hic*
do not archive
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Flying Squirrel N2069Z "Rocket"
Medford/Ashland, OR
website at http://www.flysquirrel.net
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| Subject: | Re: Gladys Ingles |
One of the YouTube posters pointed out that in the first clip there was no one
in the back seat but yet there was footage taken from there. Movie cameras back
then were a rare commodity so shots from two different airplanes required
landing and transfer so the performance was, most likely, a publicity stunt.
Regardless of the setup, it was still a spectacular feat of bravery (or stupidity).
A neat clip, all things considered.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: Horn bend pictures. |
FYI, the bend I made does not need to be down the middle, biased towards the leading
edge will yield a more "airfoil" shape.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: eyebrows for Corvair |
Rick;
You can get an idea of intake area by looking at William Wynne's setup on his Piet
as a starting point. Some pictures here:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/WWPiet.html
This one is a good starting point for two reasons: (1) his scoops were rectangular,
so you should be able to estimate the intake area pretty easily, and (2)
his airplane was based in Florida, so if the cooling worked there, it should work
anywhere.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford/Ashland, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: A65-75 Tach discussion |
I can add a bit of experience with the traditional mechanical tach and the
90 degree drive. I have 135 hours on my Piet in 15 months, and am on my
third angle drive. I think I have the problem licked now, but there appears to
be a delicate balance between undergreasing and overgreasing the tach
drive. And, the lubrication of the cable is also an issue. I found an excellent
speedometer cable lube at the local NAPA auto parts store that is doing
the job on the cable. It's a light machine oil with graphite in it. Nasty if
it leaks out but very effective lube and seems to penetrate well. I have an
84" cable with a lot of bends. Taking the cable loose at both ends
periodically and dripping in some cable lube is a part of my regular maintenance
program now.
I think I made the mistake of putting addtional white litium grease in the
angle drive, which eventually caused more drag in the drive than
lubrication, especially when it's cold. The third drive was installed about 45
hours
ago, and I have't had the needle bobbing like I did with the previous
drives. When I installed the latest one, I added no additiona grease beyond what
came in the unit.
Long story short, if I knew when I was installing the instruments what I
know now, I would have gone with the Westach tachometer, particularly the
one that uses the generator off the tach drive on the engine.
If this angle drive gives me trouble in the future, that's the direction
I'm going in.
Matt Paxton
NX629ML
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| Subject: | Re: eyebrows for Corvair |
Hi Rick - I think I did what Oscar said & based it on WW's intakes. 4.5 inches
sounds about right. The highest CHT I ever saw was 360.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Re: rebuilding Fat Bottom Girl |
I've contacted Oscar off-list and will do the same with the rest of you who made
so many kind offers. You guys are the best!
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Report - Late |
@Shad: I'm now, for the first time in 3 decades, BELOW my goal weight. Hard way
to do it, but since I'm so svelte now I should be able to just slip into your
airplane like a gymnast (ha! gotta get the broken leg to bend before I do anything).
@Randy: Be careful with what you're offering, Brother! :D
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Brodhead Report - Late |
Just make sure the broken leg bends at the knee and nowhere else
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 1:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Brodhead Report - Late
<kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
@Shad: I'm now, for the first time in 3 decades, BELOW my goal weight. Hard
way to do it, but since I'm so svelte now I should be able to just slip into
your airplane like a gymnast (ha! gotta get the broken leg to bend before I
do anything).
@Randy: Be careful with what you're offering, Brother! :D
do not archive
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | a little flying---of possible interest |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_y-zSvzGTs
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: eyebrows for Corvair |
Hi Rick,
I'm at the hangar changing my oil at the moment and don't have a tape measure
but if I take a dollar bill and stand it on end with the end flat on the head
where the old cooling shroud bolts on .the top of my eyebrow is at the (R) on
the phrase one dollar under George Washington's picture. If that doesn't make
since I think 4 to 4 1/2 is about right. Like Kevin my temps at cruise run around
275 to 300 and on climb out on a hot day 350 to 375
Randy Bush
P S
Kevin I meant every word
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 24, 2012, at 8:04 AM, Rick Schreiber <lmforge@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> I am getting ready to make eyebrows for my corvair and was wondering how high
the front of the eyebrow should be for efficient cooling. Those of you that have
flying corvairs, how high did you go. I was looking at the eyebrows on a friends
A65 powered J3 cub and the cross-sectional area on his eyebrows are about
28 sq. in. That would make the eyebrow on a corvair installation about 4-1/2
inches high. Does that seem about right.
>
> Rick Schreiber
> Valparaiso IN
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| Subject: | Re: Airplane Recover at 1 Month - Do Not Archive |
No handles, just unit call signs. This was most likely a good thing considering
my last name :-)
Greg Bacon
Garratt Callahan
gbacon@g-c.com
(573)489-4795
On Aug 24, 2012, at 12:06 AM, "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Greg: hearing that you are military, I hesitatingly wonder what your handle was/is.
That last name just had to bring some clever responses. My Marine Prowler
pilot buddy is Kyle "Itchy" Rash. One of his officers is a fellow that I
only remember as "Moth", something to do with his always being drawn to conversations
like a moth to a bright light. Do we dare ask what your handle as "Greg
Bacon" is?
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> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford/Ashland, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
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| Subject: | Operation Axel complete! |
Hello good people,
I am pleased to announce the results of Operation Axel! Your patience in
awaiting this announcement is appreciated (I was waiting to receive and
process the remaining contributions I knew were still on the way).
Thank you on behalf of the organizers of Operation Axel, and most
importantly on behalf of Kevin and Shelley, for the outpouring of support,
well-wishes, prayers, and overall good karma that you all so generously
gave. I am most excited to announce that due to the efforts of 46
contributors we have collected a grand total of $4,025.52! Once again, this
unique brotherhood (and sisterhood) of Pietenpol builders, pilots,
enthusiasts, and friends has demonstrated how fortunate we all are to be a
part of it. Thank you all so very much!
I have tonight issued the check electronically from the BoA account used to
collect the contributions, and Kevin and Shelley should see it in their
mailbox in about a week. I have included a screencap of the payment
confirmation below. Since Operation Axel has drawn to a close, we are no
longer asking for contributions. If any other contributions do show up in
my mailbox after this point they will still be generously accepted and
processed as before.
Thank you all again, and have a great weekend!
Ryan
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| Subject: | Re: Operation Axel complete! |
Nice job Ryan and thank you all for your again generous gifts on behalf of another
one of our own. Thanks again I'm sure all contributions will be put to good
use.
Thank you all, my friends your generosity and support is overwhelming.
John
Sent from my iPhone
On Aug 24, 2012, at 9:58 PM, Operation Axel <operationaxel@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello good people,
>
> I am pleased to announce the results of Operation Axel! Your patience in awaiting
this announcement is appreciated (I was waiting to receive and process the
remaining contributions I knew were still on the way).
>
> Thank you on behalf of the organizers of Operation Axel, and most importantly
on behalf of Kevin and Shelley, for the outpouring of support, well-wishes, prayers,
and overall good karma that you all so generously gave. I am most excited
to announce that due to the efforts of 46 contributors we have collected a
grand total of $4,025.52! Once again, this unique brotherhood (and sisterhood)
of Pietenpol builders, pilots, enthusiasts, and friends has demonstrated how
fortunate we all are to be a part of it. Thank you all so very much!
>
> I have tonight issued the check electronically from the BoA account used to collect
the contributions, and Kevin and Shelley should see it in their mailbox
in about a week. I have included a screencap of the payment confirmation below.
Since Operation Axel has drawn to a close, we are no longer asking for contributions.
If any other contributions do show up in my mailbox after this point
they will still be generously accepted and processed as before.
>
> Thank you all again, and have a great weekend!
>
> Ryan
>
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| Subject: | Total time to build |
Just reviewing the records=85
According to KitLog Pro, at which I tried to be very diligent in my
entries,
Total Time was 1500.5 hrs.
That means it cost me just a little over $10/hr to work on the plane.
Breaking it down a little further=85 I spent an average of 6.4 hrs/week
(4 =BD
yrs, almost to the day).
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| Subject: | eyebrows for Corvair |
Rick / Ken,
I used the Van der Voort plans, and the attached bead wire process. I'll
have to check tomorrow to be sure, but I think I increased the forward
dimension by 2". That makes the ears stand a little taller. I also used .025
6061, 'cuz that's what I had on hand. WHAT A WORKOUT! Those ears took 40 hrs
to make! Next time, I will use Dead Soft. I'll have cooling info in a couple
days...but I also have a Niagra Cooler that has ram air introduced at the
back of the cooling ear.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ken Bickers
Sent: Friday, August 24, 2012 6:26 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: eyebrows for Corvair
--> <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
I'm not to this stage just yet, but look forward to the suggestions and
advice. Ken
On Fri, Aug 24, 2012 at 7:04 AM, Rick Schreiber <lmforge@earthlink.net>
wrote:
> --> <lmforge@earthlink.net>
>
> I am getting ready to make eyebrows for my corvair and was wondering
> how high the front of the eyebrow should be for efficient cooling.
> Those of you that have flying corvairs, how high did you go. I was
> looking at the eyebrows on a friends A65 powered J3 cub and the
> cross-sectional area on his eyebrows are about 28 sq. in. That would
> make the eyebrow on a corvair installation about 4-1/2 inches high. Does
that seem about right.
>
> Rick Schreiber
> Valparaiso IN
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Total time to build |
Dang, nice job..... I'm about 4 years into it and think I'm only about halfway
there...! (I am keeping track of hours but have not added them up)
Well done Gary...
Do not archive
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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