---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 08/29/12: 35 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:51 AM - Straight Exhaust (Michael Perez) 2. 07:08 AM - Re: Straight Exhaust (Gary Boothe) 3. 08:14 AM - Re: Straight Exhaust (Michael Perez) 4. 08:27 AM - Re: Straight Exhaust (Jack Phillips) 5. 08:29 AM - Re: Straight Exhaust (gboothe5@comcast.net) 6. 08:44 AM - Re: Straight Exhaust (John Hofmann) 7. 08:47 AM - Re: Straight Exhaust (Michael Perez) 8. 08:48 AM - Re: Straight Exhaust (Michael Perez) 9. 08:54 AM - Re: Straight Exhaust (steve@wotelectronics.com) 10. 09:01 AM - Re: Straight Exhaust (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 11. 09:24 AM - Re: Straight Exhaust (Michael Perez) 12. 09:28 AM - Re: Straight Exhaust (Michael Perez) 13. 09:44 AM - Re: Straight Exhaust (Jack Phillips) 14. 10:22 AM - Re: Straight Exhaust (Michael Perez) 15. 12:20 PM - Re: Straight Exhaust (Jack Phillips) 16. 12:38 PM - Aileron Capstrip (John Francis) 17. 01:26 PM - Re: Aileron Capstrip (Jack@textors.com) 18. 01:29 PM - Hinge (Jack@textors.com) 19. 02:06 PM - Re: Straight Exhaust (pineymb) 20. 02:34 PM - Re: Aileron Capstrip (John Francis) 21. 02:34 PM - Re: Aileron Capstrip (John Francis) 22. 02:48 PM - Re: Re: Aileron Capstrip (gboothe5@comcast.net) 23. 03:49 PM - Re: Straight Exhaust (Gary Boothe) 24. 03:58 PM - Re: Aileron Capstrip (Catdesigns) 25. 04:20 PM - tailwheel spring (nightmare) 26. 04:25 PM - Re: Aileron Capstrip (John Francis) 27. 05:05 PM - Re: tailwheel spring (Gary Boothe) 28. 05:14 PM - Re: tailwheel spring (nightmare) 29. 05:44 PM - Re: Straight Exhaust (shad bell) 30. 06:46 PM - Re: tailwheel spring (nightmare) 31. 07:02 PM - Re: tailwheel spring (nightmare) 32. 07:16 PM - Re: Re: tailwheel spring (Gary Boothe) 33. 07:19 PM - "...you must be proud!" (Gary Boothe) 34. 07:26 PM - Re: Re: tailwheel spring (Jim Markle) 35. 11:05 PM - Re: "...you must be proud!" (aerocarjake) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:51:33 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Straight Exhaust Crew, I am ready to make my exhaust pipes. I am leaning towards making four straight pipes. (Maybe angled some or a small bend...)- I would prefer s tainless... My questions are: Diameter? Wall thickness? Minimal length? Flange thickness? (or should I buy?) I'll need heat muff ideas as well. Any other suggestions appreciated! Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:11 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Exhaust Michael, Heat muff will be a challenge, but not impossible. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 6:50 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Straight Exhaust Crew, I am ready to make my exhaust pipes. I am leaning towards making four straight pipes. (Maybe angled some or a small bend...) I would prefer stainless... My questions are: Diameter? Wall thickness? Minimal length? Flange thickness? (or should I buy?) I'll need heat muff ideas as well. Any other suggestions appreciated! Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:14:57 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Exhaust Gary, do you have any material inside the muff, or did you just wrap the pipe only as shown in the picture? Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:46 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Exhaust Continental A65's use 1-1/2" diameter exhaust stacks. Lycomings use 1-3/4". For Stainless most use .035" wall. I would buy the flanges from ACS. Be sure you shield the inside of the tubing during the welding process. The argon from the TIG torch will shield the exterior of the weld but with such thin material the inside of the tube will be nearly as hot and unshielded unless you make provisions for it. Best way is to fill the tube with argon and plug the ends, then weld before the argon can leak out. To tell when the tube is full of argon, if you can stick a lit match inside the tube and it stays lit you still have oxygen in there. If you do not shield the tube interior, the exhaust system will crack in the first 50 hours (ask me how I know). Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 9:50 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Straight Exhaust Crew, I am ready to make my exhaust pipes. I am leaning towards making four straight pipes. (Maybe angled some or a small bend...) I would prefer stainless... My questions are: Diameter? Wall thickness? Minimal length? Flange thickness? (or should I buy?) I'll need heat muff ideas as well. Any other suggestions appreciated! Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:47 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Straight Exhaust From: gboothe5@comcast.net Tm8gbWF0ZXJpYWwgaW5zaWRlLiBDb3VsZG4ndCBmaWd1cmUgb3V0IGhvdy4gSSdsbCBsZXQgeW91 IGtub3cgaW4gYSBjb3VwbGUgZGF5cyBob3cgZWZmZWN0aXZlIGl0IGlzLiBBbHNvLCBoYXZlIGxv dHMgb2YgcGljcyBvZiBidWlsZGluZyBpdC4NCg0KR2FyeQ0KU2VudCBvbiB0aGUgU3ByaW50riBO b3cgTmV0d29yayBmcm9tIG15IEJsYWNrQmVycnmuDQoNCi0tLS0tT3JpZ2luYWwgTWVzc2FnZS0t LS0tDQpGcm9tOiBNaWNoYWVsIFBlcmV6IDxzcGVlZGJyYWtlQHNiY2dsb2JhbC5uZXQ+DQpTZW5k ZXI6IG93bmVyLXBpZXRlbnBvbC1saXN0LXNlcnZlckBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tDQpEYXRlOiBXZWQs IDI5IEF1ZyAyMDEyIDA4OjEzOjMxIA0KVG86IDxwaWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29t Pg0KUmVwbHktVG86IHBpZXRlbnBvbC1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb21TdWJqZWN0OiBSRTogUGll dGVucG9sLUxpc3Q6IFN0cmFpZ2h0IEV4aGF1c3QNCg0KR2FyeSwgZG8geW91IGhhdmUgYW55IG1h dGVyaWFsIGluc2lkZSB0aGUgbXVmZiwgb3IgZGlkIHlvdSBqdXN0IHdyYXAgdGhlIHBpcGUgb25s eSBhcyBzaG93biBpbiB0aGUgcGljdHVyZT8NCg0KTWljaGFlbCBQZXJleg0KDQpQaWV0ZW5wb2wg SElOVCBWaWRlb3MNCg0KS2FyZXRha2VyIEFlcm8NCg0Kd3d3LmthcmV0YWtlcmFlcm8uY29tDQoN Cg0KDQo ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:53 AM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Straight Exhaust Mike, 502Rocket has these stainless wraps on each rear pipe. They meet at a Y-connector then feed the carb heat box. I can take some detailed pictures this weekend when I am out at the hangar if you are interested. The straight pipes are good 'n loud too. Mikee told me when I made my arrival at Brodhead this year he could hear me for a bit before I popped over the trees. -john- > > > Crew, I am ready to make my exhaust pipes. I am leaning towards making four straight pipes. (Maybe angled some or a small bend...) I would prefer stainless... > > My questions are: > > Diameter? > Wall thickness? > Minimal length? > Flange thickness? (or should I buy?) > > I'll need heat muff ideas as well. > > Any other suggestions appreciated! > > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:47:03 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Exhaust Understood Jack, thanks. I have made an internal purge line for some other SS welding I have done. On these larger tubes, I plan to plug one end and leave a very small hole. The other will be plugged, save for the inlet of the purge line. The purge can be set to supply a low flow through the entire SS tube. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:09 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Straight Exhaust Thanks Gary. Pictures are great, I am interested in whatever you want to share. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:54:33 AM PST US From: steve@wotelectronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Straight Exhaust I made new straight stacks for my plane a year or two ago. I used these flanges from ACS: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/eppages/steelexauststackflanges.php I just bought the pipe from a local exhaust shop. It is 1.5", only one size will fit the flanges. Mine are about 15" long, I just made them long enough that I would be able to secure a heat muff. I used mild steel (not stainless) since I intended to ceramic coat them. I had them ceramic coated by a local shop and they look great (about $100). Easy to clean and they won't corrode or deteriorate at all for years. They look great but the ceramic coating isn't a very authentic look if you are going for period correctness. I have an awkward affinity for shiny metal and my plane isn't period correct so that is what I did. :) Pictures: http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0620.JPG http://www.wotelectronics.com/flying/salt/DSC_0619.JPG (It has a wood prop now which looks much better) :) Steve Ruse Norman, OK On 2012-08-29 08:50, Michael Perez wrote: > Crew, I am ready to make my exhaust pipes. I am leaning towards making four straight pipes. (Maybe angled some or a small bend...) I would prefer stainless... > > My questions are: > > Diameter? > Wall thickness? > Minimal length? > Flange thickness? (or should I buy?) > > I'll need heat muff ideas as well. > > Any other suggestions appreciated! > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > HTTP://WWW.MATRONICS.COM/CONTRIBUTION ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:01:19 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Exhaust John H. actually sounded like an 0-200 on a C-150 approaching from the Ea st of Brodhead and it sounded GREAT. I could hear him coming for a long time. Very unique sound to John's setup and I think the wind ca rried his engine sound nicely to Brodhead from his approach. His hands were freezing when I shook hands with him. Down low on the groun d it was fairly comfortable but up a few hundred feet John and other pilots that day said it was downright chilly! ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:24:12 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Straight Exhaust Thanks John. Feel free to send me whatever pictures you like. At this point I am just gathering intel. and trying to decide how to make everything. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:28:30 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Straight Exhaust Steve, I am considering using mild steel and ceramic coating!- Years ago I had the headers of my GTO coated at Jet Hot. They look today just as new as they did then. Nothing on my plane is "period correct" so coated pipes are a non-event... Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com =0A ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:44:08 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Exhaust Michael, for my first exhaust system I used stainless flanges, straight stacks and curves from Aircraft Spruce. They worked great for the first 40 hours then began cracking due to the lack of shielding during welding as mentioned before. I cut the pieces using a "Joint-Jigger" and fitted them in place using scraps of sheet steel and hose clamps. Here is a picture of the Joint-Jigger setup: And then test-fitting the cut: After it cracked 3 times I replaced it with a plain carbon steel setup which I've been flying with ever since. No ceramic coating, I just beadblast it and paint it with clear VHT paint every 3 years or so. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 12:28 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Straight Exhaust Steve, I am considering using mild steel and ceramic coating! Years ago I had the headers of my GTO coated at Jet Hot. They look today just as new as they did then. Nothing on my plane is "period correct" so coated pipes are a non-event... Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:22:43 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Exhaust Did you bend the SS yourself Jack?- What type SS did you use?- Some wel d/machine better and others have better corrosion/heat tolerance.-- (Wh ich I am sure you already know, as do others...), ACS sells 321 SS tube, bu t wow...very, very pricey! I have 304, maybe 316 handy, but the wall is .065 and I am not sure either one would be suitable for this task.- I believe 316 is quite a bit harder to bend then 304...if I- were to decide on bends... This is all good stuff, keep it coming! Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:20:10 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Exhaust I bought pre-bent sections from ACS. I thought it was 304, but it might have been 321. I don't remember - it was 10 years ago. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 1:22 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Exhaust Did you bend the SS yourself Jack? What type SS did you use? Some weld/machine better and others have better corrosion/heat tolerance. (Which I am sure you already know, as do others...), ACS sells 321 SS tube, but wow...very, very pricey! I have 304, maybe 316 handy, but the wall is .065 and I am not sure either one would be suitable for this task. I believe 316 is quite a bit harder to bend then 304...if I were to decide on bends... This is all good stuff, keep it coming! Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:38:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Capstrip From: "John Francis" I've slightly exaggerated the position of the cap strip on the aileron spar to demonstrate how it will not be on the same plane as the aileron spars if not shaped. Did those of you using the piano hinge shape this cap strip so the hinge will lay flush? Thanks -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382085#382085 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc07696_131.jpg ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:26:59 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Aileron Capstrip From: "Jack@textors.com" John your hinge will be inline with the top of the capstrip Jack Textor Sent from my iPad On Aug 29, 2012, at 2:38 PM, "John Francis" wrote: > > I've slightly exaggerated the position of the cap strip on the aileron spar to demonstrate how it will not be on the same plane as the aileron spars if not shaped. Did those of you using the piano hinge shape this cap strip so the hinge will lay flush? > > Thanks > > -------- > John Francis > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382085#382085 > > > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc07696_131.jpg > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:29:05 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hinge From: "Jack@textors.com" Like this http://www.textors.com/Ailerons_002.jpg Jack Textor Sent from my iPad ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:06:16 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Straight Exhaust From: "pineymb" Mild steel pipes ceramic coated, holding up after 150 hours. Heat muff seems to be adequate. -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382092#382092 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc00315_855.jpg ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:34:06 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Capstrip From: "John Francis" Thanks Jack and I understand what you are saying. When I cut out the aileron I will move the hinge flush to the top of the cap strip. But, the cap strip, when glued on without shaping, will not be flush with the sides of the aileron spars because the aileron spars are cut on top at an angle other than 90 degrees. I new this was going to be hard to explain and that is why I drew the box on the image. Clear as mud??? -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382094#382094 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:34:58 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Capstrip From: "John Francis" Thanks Jack and I understand what you are saying. When I cut out the aileron I will move the hinge flush to the top of the cap strip. But, the cap strip, when glued on without shaping, will not be flush with the sides of the aileron spars because the aileron spars are cut on top at an angle other than 90 degrees. I new this was going to be hard to explain and that is why I drew the box on the image. Clear as mud??? -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382095#382095 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:48:54 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Capstrip From: gboothe5@comcast.net John, You would need to rip those strips wider than the spars, then rasp flat with the spar after the glue sets. Gary ------Original Message------ From: John Francis Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Capstrip Sent: Aug 29, 2012 2:33 PM Thanks Jack and I understand what you are saying. When I cut out the aileron I will move the hinge flush to the top of the cap strip. But, the cap strip, when glued on without shaping, will not be flush with the sides of the aileron spars because the aileron spars are cut on top at an angle other than 90 degrees. I new this was going to be hard to explain and that is why I drew the box on the image. Clear as mud??? -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382094#382094 Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:49:50 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Exhaust Michael, I bought 'U-Bends' from Magnum Force, www.magnumforce.com, or http://www.magnumforce.com/store/results.asp?CategoryID=29. These are mild steel, but they sure make the process easy! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 9:28 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Straight Exhaust Steve, I am considering using mild steel and ceramic coating! Years ago I had the headers of my GTO coated at Jet Hot. They look today just as new as they did then. Nothing on my plane is "period correct" so coated pipes are a non-event... Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:58:54 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Capstrip From: "Catdesigns" John When you install the aileron spar hold it back the thickness of the piano hinge so the aileron trailing edge lines up with the wing after you install the piano hinge. This should give you a little room between the aileron spar and the vertical plank in the wing. When you cut out the aileron, cut the cap strip flush with the vertical plank in the wing. This should leave enough cap strip overhanging to sand at an angle flush with the aileron spar. You will also need to add filler strips between the cap strips. These you sand flush with the spars so when the piano hinge is flush with the top of the aileron it will lay flush against the spar. http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Chris%20Tracy/images/IMG_0222a_9.JPG -------- Chris Sacramento, CA WestCoastPiet.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382101#382101 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 04:20:40 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: tailwheel spring From: "nightmare" what kind of spring is on the tailwheel and where is a good place to get it. im going with a steerable tailwheel as well. anyone want to share their design? plan on fabricating myself. thanks; Paul -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382104#382104 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 04:25:01 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aileron Capstrip From: "John Francis" Thanks all, I got it now. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382106#382106 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:36 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: tailwheel spring Paul, You can see my entire process on www.westcoastpiet.com. One change I made was to make a bend in the legs to give the tailwheel the right angle. It now functions very smoothly. Let me know if you have any questions. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nightmare Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 4:20 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: tailwheel spring --> what kind of spring is on the tailwheel and where is a good place to get it. im going with a steerable tailwheel as well. anyone want to share their design? plan on fabricating myself. thanks; Paul -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382104#382104 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 05:14:22 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: tailwheel spring From: "nightmare" sorry for the bother. looks like i found it by googleing it instead of through our matronics search. thanks; Paul -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382109#382109 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:44:19 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Exhaust Mike, Check out JEGS high performance (Race shop mail order at jegs.com) Th ey have a lot of mandral bends, J bends, U bends etc.=C2- That is where w e got our stainless for the 1st exaust, and where I bought the mild steel j bends for the one that is on there now.=C2- They have quite a bit of exa ust tubing that is made in the USA. =C2- Shad --- On Wed, 8/29/12, Jack Phillips wrote: From: Jack Phillips Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Exhaust I bought pre-bent sections from ACS.=C2- I thought it was 304, but it mig ht have been 321. =C2-I don=99t remember =93 it was 10 years ago. =C2- Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia =C2- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 1:22 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Straight Exhaust =C2- Did you bend the SS yourself Jack?=C2- What type SS did you use?=C2- So me weld/machine better and others have better corrosion/heat tolerance.=C2 -=C2- (Which I am sure you already know, as do others...), ACS sells 32 1 SS tube, but wow...very, very pricey! I have 304, maybe 316 handy, but the wall is .065 and I am not sure either one would be suitable for this task.=C2- I believe 316 is quite a bit har der to bend then 304...if I=C2- were to decide on bends... This is all good stuff, keep it coming! Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com =C2- =C2-http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://forum s.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution =C2- ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 06:46:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: tailwheel spring From: "nightmare" wow Gary , beautiful. love how you bent the tubing. i was planning on making the angle adjustment by welding a triangle piece of steel on both sides then plating below. your way is much better. simpler, lighter, better looking. Ill check it out on west coast piet and let you know if i have any questions. Thanks. Paul PS ; progress report; finished vert stab, rudder, elevators, and about 1/4 way through the horizontal stab. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382115#382115 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:02:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: tailwheel spring From: "nightmare" Gary do you happen to remember where you aquired your tail spring and tail wheel? thanks; Paul -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382116#382116 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 07:16:03 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: tailwheel spring Spring is John Deere. I don't have the part number at my finger tips, but I'll bet someone here does. Tailwheel is from ACS. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nightmare Sent: Wednesday, August 29, 2012 7:02 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: tailwheel spring --> Gary do you happen to remember where you aquired your tail spring and tail wheel? thanks; Paul -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382116#382116 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 07:19:43 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: "...you must be proud!" Jack (et al), I've been thinking about this since you used that word. My brain fires slowly, which is why the Pietenpol is the perfect/only plane for me! Funny, but I guess I really don't feel 'proud'.. Building airplanes is all I have ever really wanted to do, since my young adult-hood. Life didn't allow that to happen until recently, but the question always in my mind was, "Am I good enough?" "Can I really do it?" The feeling that has been most relative is.Relief! I was relieved when my Corvair started up the first time! I was relieved when my Dan Helsper/PF Beck assisted, hand carved prop didn't fly off into the neighbor's living room window! I was relieved when my guestimates for cabane slants and engine mount length brought the W&B right where it needs to be! I was relieved when test pilot, Roy Richardson, reported good flying characteristics! I was relieved that the tribute to my father appeared to have been a success! And I haven't even flown it yet! That'll just be icing, because, more than anything, he was a builder of things. .but all that has been replaced with an incredible sense of humility. I am humbled by all the incredible work that I see fellow builders doing. I am humbled by the steady stream of looki-lews coming thru my hangar doors.then I go see their amazing work. I am humbled by a local P51 owner/pilot, standing next to me, watching the first take off, and he's more excited than I am (I'm just relieved!). I am humbled when our own godfather, who's fantastic video most of us had purchased in our early days of excitement, giving us our first, real glimpse into the Pietenpol World, sends ME a personal note of congratulations. I am humbled when one of our fellow builder/pilots, a bona-fide national freakin' hero, calls ME to congratulate me. I am humbled by the camaraderie of this entire group, and their endless generosity. No, I guess 'proud' is not the word for how I feel about my plane, though I know that's not exactly what you meant. Thank you! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 3:03 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: NX308MB Video Gary fantastic ship you must be proud! Jack Textor DSM NX1929T do not archive _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 7:07 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: NX308MB Video Here's a much better video of the first flight, thanks to fellow airport bum, Ken Schwartz: http://youtu.be/9QoayV-MSPY My first flight is still a couple days away. Thanks, Ken!! Gary Boothe NX308MB http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:29 PM PST US Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: tailwheel spring From: Jim Markle CkpvaG4gRGVlcmUgcG46IFQxNDM0NDQKCgpTZW50IHZpYSBzbWFydHBob25lLi4uLkdhcnkgQm9v dGhlIDxnYm9vdGhlNUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldD4gd3JvdGU6LS0+IFBpZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0IG1lc3Nh Z2UgcG9zdGVkIGJ5OiAiR2FyeSBCb290aGUiIDxnYm9vdGhlNUBjb21jYXN0Lm5ldD4KClNwcmlu ZyBpcyBKb2huIERlZXJlLiBJIGRvbid0IGhhdmUgdGhlIHBhcnQgbnVtYmVyIGF0IG15IGZpbmdl ciB0aXBzLCBidXQKSSdsbCBiZXQgc29tZW9uZSBoZXJlIGRvZXMuIFRhaWx3aGVlbCBpcyBmcm9t IEFDUy4KCkdhcnkgQm9vdGhlCk5YMzA4TUIKCgotLS0tLU9yaWdpbmFsIE1lc3NhZ2UtLS0tLQpG cm9tOiBvd25lci1waWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdC1zZXJ2ZXJAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbQpbbWFpbHRvOm93 bmVyLXBpZXRlbnBvbC1saXN0LXNlcnZlckBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tXSBPbiBCZWhhbGYgT2Ygbmln aHRtYXJlClNlbnQ6IFdlZG5lc2RheSwgQXVndXN0IDI5LCAyMDEyIDc6MDIgUE0KVG86IHBpZXRl bnBvbC1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20KU3ViamVjdDogUGlldGVucG9sLUxpc3Q6IFJlOiB0YWls d2hlZWwgc3ByaW5nCgotLT4gUGlldGVucG9sLUxpc3QgbWVzc2FnZSBwb3N0ZWQgYnk6ICJuaWdo dG1hcmUiIAotLT4gPHBhdWxkb25haHVlcGlsb3RAeWFob28uY29tPgoKR2FyeSBkbyB5b3UgaGFw cGVuIHRvIHJlbWVtYmVyIHdoZXJlIHlvdSBhcXVpcmVkIHlvdXIgdGFpbCBzcHJpbmcgYW5kIHRh aWwKd2hlZWw/IHRoYW5rczsgUGF1bAoKLS0tLS0tLS0KUGF1bCBEb25haHVlClN0YXJ0ZWQgOC0z LTEyCmRvIG5vdCBhcmNoaXZlCgoKCgpSZWFkIHRoaXMgdG9waWMgb25saW5lIGhlcmU6CgpodHRw Oi8vZm9ydW1zLm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20vdmlld3RvcGljLnBocD9wPTM4MjExNiMzODIxMTYKCgoK CgoKCgoKCgpfLT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PQpfLT3CoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqAgLSBUaGUgUGlldGVucG9sLUxpc3Qg RW1haWwgRm9ydW0gLQpfLT0gVXNlIHRoZSBNYXRyb25pY3MgTGlzdCBGZWF0dXJlcyBOYXZpZ2F0 b3IgdG8gYnJvd3NlCl8tPSB0aGUgbWFueSBMaXN0IHV0aWxpdGllcyBzdWNoIGFzIExpc3QgVW4v U3Vic2NyaXB0aW9uLApfLT0gQXJjaGl2ZSBTZWFyY2ggJiBEb3dubG9hZCwgNy1EYXkgQnJvd3Nl LCBDaGF0LCBGQVEsCl8tPSBQaG90b3NoYXJlLCBhbmQgbXVjaCBtdWNoIG1vcmU6Cl8tPQpfLT3C oMKgIC0tPiBodHRwOi8vd3d3Lm1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20vTmF2aWdhdG9yP1BpZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0 Cl8tPQpfLT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PQpfLT3CoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgIC0gTUFUUk9OSUNTIFdF QiBGT1JVTVMgLQpfLT0gU2FtZSBncmVhdCBjb250ZW50IGFsc28gYXZhaWxhYmxlIHZpYSB0aGUg V2ViIEZvcnVtcyEKXy09Cl8tPcKgwqAgLS0+IGh0dHA6Ly9mb3J1bXMubWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbQpf LT0KXy09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT0KXy09wqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgIC0gTGlzdCBDb250cmlidXRpb24g V2ViIFNpdGUgLQpfLT3CoCBUaGFuayB5b3UgZm9yIHlvdXIgZ2VuZXJvdXMgc3VwcG9ydCEKXy09 wqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDCoMKgwqDC oCAtTWF0dCBEcmFsbGUsIExpc3QgQWRtaW4uCl8tPcKgwqAgLS0+IGh0dHA6Ly93d3cubWF0cm9u aWNzLmNvbS9jb250cmlidXRpb24KXy09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0KCgoK ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 11:05:29 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: "...you must be proud!" From: "aerocarjake" I'm proud to be associated with such a fine group of people - most of whom I have never met - who are enjoying so many of the same life experiences around building a plane of this era...... Thx Gary, very well written......... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382126#382126 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.