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1. 04:57 AM - Don Harpers new Pietenpol (Barnwell Regional Airport)
2. 05:37 AM - Re: Don Harpers Pietenpol (nightmare)
3. 05:44 AM - Re: Don Harpers new Pietenpol (helspersew@aol.com)
4. 06:16 AM - Re: cool vintage style wool coveralls (TOM STINEMETZE)
5. 06:28 AM - Don't new Piet (Douwe Blumberg)
6. 08:20 AM - Don's airplane (Barnwell Regional Airport)
7. 11:14 AM - good guys from these list (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
8. 11:16 AM - a way to avoid routing spars (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
9. 11:18 AM - Latest visitor to my project..... (aerocarjake)
10. 12:03 PM - Re: Don Harpers Pietenpol (dwilson)
11. 12:47 PM - Re: a way to avoid routing spars (Billy McCaskill)
12. 01:12 PM - what I would do differently, wing spars and other things (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
13. 01:56 PM - Re: what I would do differently, wing spars and other things (Billy McCaskill)
14. 02:42 PM - Re: Re: what I would do differently, wing spars and other things (Jack Phillips)
15. 04:15 PM - a little update (bender)
16. 04:29 PM - Re: a little update (Ryan M)
17. 04:37 PM - Re: what I would do differently, wing spars and other things (Billy McCaskill)
18. 04:41 PM - Re: a little update (Jack Phillips)
19. 04:53 PM - Re: a little update (Jerry Dotson)
20. 05:00 PM - Re: Re: a way to avoid routing spars (helspersew@aol.com)
21. 05:06 PM - Re: Re: a way to avoid routing spars (Gary Boothe)
22. 06:57 PM - Looking for a steel tube piet (Greg Bacon)
23. 07:43 PM - Re: Re: Don Harpers Pietenpol (Dortch, Steven D MAJ NG NG NGB)
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| Subject: | Don Harpers new Pietenpol |
Congratulations to Lowel for noting that the leading edge on Don's new
Pietenpol is a little different . It is actualy a Riblet 612 airfoil.
How does it fly? At this point, I've only done some high speed
taxing. Several minor things were noted and are being corrected
Don is working on getting paperwork together for inspected, scheduling a
DAR, etc.
More about flight information later.
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| Subject: | Re: Don Harpers Pietenpol |
i like that little muffler. does it quiet it down much? and do you have a good
source for it?
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Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
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| Subject: | Re: Don Harpers new Pietenpol |
Hi P.F.,
Beautiful airplane indeed. The flight testing of Don's airplane will be the
"final word" on the "airfoil wars", right? You and Don were telling me at
Brodhead that his airplane is pretty much identical to yours with the excep
tion of the Riblet airfoil, correct?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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Sent: Tue, Sep 4, 2012 6:58 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Don Harpers new Pietenpol
Congratulations to Lowel for noting that the leading edge on Don's new Piet
enpol is a little different . It is actualy a Riblet 612 airfoil.
How does it fly? At this point, I've only done some high speed taxing.
Several minor things were noted and are being corrected
Don is working on getting paperwork together for inspected, scheduling a DA
R, etc.
More about flight information later.
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| Subject: | Re: cool vintage style wool coveralls |
Douwe:
Thanks for the link. However the only size they offer is Large and if
that is tight on your 155 lbs then it would be an impossible fit on my
220. Thanks for the dream though.
Tom Stinemetze
McPherson, KS.
>>> "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> 9/1/2012 8:00 PM
>>>
Hey all,
If any of you are into vintage flying clothes and arent too large
Ck out Sportsmans guide. Just found the coolest set of vintage
style wool blend Italian coveralls (WX2-206131 New Italian Military
Issue Wool Coveralls, Gray)
which are identical to those Ive seen pictured being worn by
aviators in the thirties. $23 just got me a pair and they are awesome!
Even though they are marked large though, they are barely large enough
for me, and Im only 59 and weigh 155. The quality though seems
excellent and the styling is perfect for those of us who like to look
the part. Just ordered a second pair because these wont ever come
back Im guessing.
Enjoy!
Douwe
http://www.sportsmansguide.com/net/cb/new-italian-military-issue-wool-coveralls-gray.aspx?a=891164
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Congratulations Don! Nice looking plane!!
Wow, a veritable tidal wave of Corvairs.
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Answers to two questions from Paul and Dan
Paul-"little mufflers" are empty propane gas cylinders made internally
like a car muffler- seem to work well- can tell you more after first
flight
Dan-After we get Don's plane flying, then I'll do a comparisin test and
write it up for the Piet community. More to come later.
All for now
P. F.
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| Subject: | good guys from these list |
You're in good company here Jorge as there are many, many fine people on th
is Pietenpol list that are helpful, positive, and
have good hearts. Sorry to hear you didn't have such a good experience on
the Sonex list.
Glad you are back on the Pietenpol list. Best wishes on selling your Aero
Vee engine. Maybe you can get some buyers for that
engine on Barnstormers.com
Keep us posted on your progress and send pictures when you can!
Mike Cuy
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| Subject: | a way to avoid routing spars |
Curt--Many ways to make your spars including routing but I chose to go a di
fferent 'route' if you'll excuse
the pun.
Here's what I did to fabricate my wing spars and the sketch also shows how
I would do it over again next time.
Mike C.
Good to meet you and your daughter at Brodhead!!!!!!
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| Subject: | Latest visitor to my project..... |
About 10 feet away - walked out of the forest - I rolled him an apple....!
Love having my condo workshop next to the greenbelt. We are truly fortunate to
be involved with this creative endeavor of vintage aeroplane construction...!
Time well spent...!!
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Don Harpers Pietenpol |
Very Nice! How about a couple of pictures with the cowling off?
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: a way to avoid routing spars |
This is a great suggestion, Mike. Your proposed method would produce spars just
as strong as solid ones that were routed, and at less cost than buying full
3/4" or 1" thick spar blanks.
This post could also turn into a "what I would do differently next time" thread,
compiled by those who have successfully built and flown their Piets. So who
else has suggestions for what they would do differently if they were to build
their plane again?
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Billy McCaskill
Baker, LA
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | what I would do differently, wing spars and other things |
Thank you Billy! As I recall I (and others) have calculated that my built-up
sitka spruce spars cost a little more than routed 'full figured'
spars but to me the simple built up spars are so easy to build and you never have
to worry about ruining a spar with your router.
On my Piet I raised the pilot seat 2" for better forward visibility on takeoff
and landing. I wouldn't do that again because in cruise there is
too much of my upper body out of the cockpit and I have to slouch down to get out
of the wind.
If I wanted to I could have added seat cushions to be higher in the seat but as
it is now I can't even add a seat cushion. (fortunately I have
enough natural padding that I don't require a cushion. )
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Re: what I would do differently, wing spars and other |
things
Ok, so far we have built up spars and keeping the pilot seat at stock height.
Others have said to lean the Pilot's seat back 2" to improve comfort. What else
does anyone have to offer, aside from the time-tested advice to "build it to
the plans", and "simplicate and add lightness"?
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Billy McCaskill
Baker, LA
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: what I would do differently, wing spars and other |
things
1. I made my fuselage 1" wider than plans, in the belief that the standard
size would be too tight. WRONG. I've flown several standard size Piets and
fit just fine. Making it wider costs more in plywood and spruce and adds
weight. It also changes the cabane strut to spar interface.
2. I used standard "medium weight" fabric. Next time I cover it I will use
the light weight stuff. Not only is the fabric lighter, but it requires
less polyspray and paint to fill the weave.
3. I used PolyFiber Aerothane polyurethane paint. Big Mistake. It is VERY
heavy, is difficult to paint, is VERY expensive, and is very difficult to
repair (the only way to remove it is to sand it off). Between the fabric
and the paint I believe my Pietenpol is 60 lbs heavier than it needed to be.
4. I used the plans seatback angle for the rear seat. If I did it again, I
would move the top of the rear seat 2" aft, keeping the bottom at the plans
location. It would be much more comfortable.
5. I mounted my brake master cylinders in a position that makes bleeding
the brakes one of my least favorite activities (right behind changing the
bungees). Basically, in order to let air bubbles flow uphill, as they want
to do, I have to literally stand the airplane on its nose with the tail way
up in the air. Think about maintenance when you are installing things in
your airplane.
6. The way I made my engine cowling requires that I disconnect my carb heat
and cabin heat SCAT hoses before I can remove the lower cowling. I wish I
had made it differently so cowling removal (and reinstallation) could be
done by myself. I always have to have help with the current design.
I'll have to think about what else I would do differently - these are the
main things in my airplane that I would change.
Now there are a few changes from the plans that I made that I would
definitely do again:
1. Wider centersection (and larger fuel tank). More lift and more fuel is
always a good thing.
2. Access panel under the belly, providing access to inspect and lubricate
the elevator bellcrank. In my case, it also allows inspection of the trim
system (see item 3), and replacing the batteries in the ELT
3. Elevator trim system. I used a variant of the Mike Cuy spring-type trim
system and it works well. I rarely use it, but when I'm making a long trip
(such as flying to Brodhead) and have a load in my baggage compartment in
the nose, the need for trim becomes apparent.
4. Cabane struts 2-3/4" taller than plans. Makes for much greater ease of
entry and exit, and better visibility. I've flown John Hofmann's
"N502Rocket" and since I'm not as properly sized as John is, I find I have
to lay down on the turtledeck and slide myself into the cockpit under the
wing, sort of like sliding a letter into an envelope.
5. Circular Cutout for the trailing edge, again for ease of entry / egress.
I suppose a flop would work as well, but I like the visibility the cutout
gives me to search above me for black & yellow Germans
6. Avionics in the centersection. This is only necessary if you want
avionics, but there is no other good place to put them and it works
exceedingly well.
7. Access panel in the front seatback top, giving access to the rear
instrument panel. I also installed a laminated copy of the entire
airplane's wiring schematic (significant since I have a radio, a
transponder, an intercom, a smoke system and a Ah-Ooooga horn in mine).
Your mileage may vary.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Billy
McCaskill
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 4:56 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: what I would do differently, wing spars and
other things
Ok, so far we have built up spars and keeping the pilot seat at stock
height. Others have said to lean the Pilot's seat back 2" to improve
comfort. What else does anyone have to offer, aside from the time-tested
advice to "build it to the plans", and "simplicate and add lightness"?
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Billy McCaskill
Baker, LA
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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i've been working the holiday weekend away and heres what i got..
its not black..
Charleston green..
there may be a logo or a stripe in the near future..we'll see
its kinda fun putting the right hardware and fresh painted parts together
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: a little update |
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| Subject: | Re: what I would do differently, wing spars and other |
things
Great suggestions, Jack. Keep the ideas coming, good people!
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Billy McCaskill
Baker, LA
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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Looks great, Jeff. This is one of the crowning moments of building an
airplane
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ryan M
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: a little update
Beautiful!
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From: bender <jfaith@solairusaviation.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 7:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: a little update
i've been working the holiday weekend away and heres what i got..
its not black..
Charleston green..
there may be a logo or a stripe in the near future..we'll see
its kinda fun putting the right hardware and fresh painted parts together
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: a little update |
Sure looks good Jeff. I thought I would put a stripe down the side of mine but
at the moment I am liking it just plain.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
First flight June 16,2012
Started building July, 2009
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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| Subject: | Re: a way to avoid routing spars |
"So who else has suggestions for what they would do differently if they wer
e to
build their plane again?"
Fellows, this is a dangerous road to begin walking down. OK, I resisted rep
lying to Mikie's post, but this is going on too long, too far...........May
I remind you that y'all are in jeopardy of being disqualified on being abl
e to call your ship a "Pietenpol". There are no Pietenpol plans (that I kno
w of) that mention anything but routed spars from solid spruce. Sorry, but
don't kill the messenger...................
Since the Top Curmudgeon has taken a leave of absence from this list, I fea
r that there will be no one to herd the masses in the right direction. That
is why I feel compelled to mention this.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Billy McCaskill <billmz@cox.net>
Sent: Tue, Sep 4, 2012 2:48 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: a way to avoid routing spars
This is a great suggestion, Mike. Your proposed method would produce spars
just
as strong as solid ones that were routed, and at less cost than buying full
3/4"
or 1" thick spar blanks.
This post could also turn into a "what I would do differently next time"
thread, compiled by those who have successfully built and flown their Piets
. So
who else has suggestions for what they would do differently if they were to
build their plane again?
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Billy McCaskill
Baker, LA
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: a way to avoid routing spars |
Don't invest too much energy, Dan. I'm afraid you will be as successful as
was he!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
helspersew@aol.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 04, 2012 5:00 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: a way to avoid routing spars
"So who else has suggestions for what they would do differently if they were
to
build their plane again?"
Fellows, this is a dangerous road to begin walking down. OK, I resisted
replying to Mikie's post, but this is going on too long, too
far...........May I remind you that y'all are in jeopardy of being
disqualified on being able to call your ship a "Pietenpol". There are no
Pietenpol plans (that I know of) that mention anything but routed spars from
solid spruce. Sorry, but don't kill the messenger...................
Since the Top Curmudgeon has taken a leave of absence from this list, I fear
that there will be no one to herd the masses in the right direction. That is
why I feel compelled to mention this.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Billy McCaskill <billmz@cox.net>
Sent: Tue, Sep 4, 2012 2:48 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: a way to avoid routing spars
This is a great suggestion, Mike. Your proposed method would produce spars
just
as strong as solid ones that were routed, and at less cost than buying full
3/4"
or 1" thick spar blanks.
This post could also turn into a "what I would do differently next time"
thread, compiled by those who have successfully built and flown their Piets.
So
who else has suggestions for what they would do differently if they were to
build their plane again?
--------
Billy McCaskill
Baker, LA
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Looking for a steel tube piet |
Gents,
There is a fellow in Australia that is looking to purchase a steel tube
piet (flying - not a project). Please contact me if you know of anyone
interested in selling one.
Thanks,
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Greg Bacon
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| Subject: | Re: Don Harpers Pietenpol |
Oh My!
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From: gboothe5@comcast.net
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Don Harpers Pietenpol
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> Beautiful, Don!
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> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Don Harpers Pietenpol
> Sent: Sep 3, 2012 8:23 AM
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> Looks like a mighty fine aircraft Don! Can't wait to hear the flying numbers.
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> I took a nap while the picture was downloading on my computer! Just kidding,
but here is a smaller version of the same for those with slow connections.
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