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Sat 09/08/12


Total Messages Posted: 17



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     1. 06:19 AM - Re: Re: How would you position the control stick? (Ryan Mueller)
     2. 11:47 AM - Steel Fittings and Prep questions (Mark Roberts)
     3. 12:21 PM - Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions (Greg Cardinal)
     4. 01:16 PM - Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions (Ryan M)
     5. 01:22 PM - Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions (tools)
     6. 01:46 PM - Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions (Mark Roberts)
     7. 01:54 PM - Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions (Mark Roberts)
     8. 01:57 PM - Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions (Mark Roberts)
     9. 02:29 PM - Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions (Billy McCaskill)
    10. 02:54 PM - Re: what I would do differently, wing spars and other things (taildrags)
    11. 04:50 PM - Routed Rib Jig (FandS_Piet)
    12. 05:02 PM - Re: Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions (Gene Rambo)
    13. 07:47 PM - Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions (kevinpurtee)
    14. 09:49 PM - looking for the new aircraft flying the Riblett wing (nightmare)
    15. 09:52 PM - Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions (Mark Roberts)
    16. 10:05 PM - Re: looking for the new aircraft flying the Riblett wing (nightmare)
    17. 11:41 PM - Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions (Mark Roberts)
 
 
 


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    Time: 06:19:33 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: How would you position the control stick?
    From: Ryan Mueller <ryan@rmueller.org>
    That rudder bar, so crazy! do not archive On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 5:02 PM, tools <n0kkj@yahoo.com> wrote: > Thought there was NO WAY I could operate that rudder bar.


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    Time: 11:47:37 AM PST US
    Subject: Steel Fittings and Prep questions
    From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
    I began cutting steel last night and I made my first Cabane fittings that will go on the Fuse to hold the center Cabanes onto the fuselage. Drilled the holes with a borrowed MicroLux mill so it is all accurate down to the .001 (sure makes it easy to just turn a crank handle ever so many turns to dial in a measurement!) I have been reading Tony B's chapter on fittings and have a few questions: He mentions having NO scratches on the steel, and to keep the edges of the steel rather sharp. I rounded the edges of the flat stock with the grinder. I hate to sound naive, but I am with steel: is rounded edges on the straps a problem? Polishing the faces of the steel: I bought a grinder that has 2 wheels- a rough and a fine wheel. BUT, the wheels are about 3/4" wide, and so I have used the side of the wheels to grind the round edges, otherwise I would get a series of 3/4" marks all down the side, and would not be smooth or consistant. So, what do you use to polish the FACE of the part to prep it for the Zinc paint? I got some very small marks in the steel from filing the edges off of the holes I drilled, so I'd like to polish them out. Nothing deep, just the standard scratches in the face of the steel when you run a file over it. Also, when fitting these to the fuselage, I am assuming the 2 holes that are drilled in the fuse to mount these fittings (again, to hold the center cabanes to the fuse) are drilled as such: the first hole at the bottom of the fitting is drilled through the side strut leading to the top longeron, and the second hole through the center line of the side of the top longeron. Is this correct? How far up should the 1/4" hole be above the top longeron to safely fit the cabane strut? I am comfortable with the wood, but haven't found my sea legs yet with the steel. However, I DO have 8 new fittings that look pretty good, I just need to figure how smooth to make them without over doing it! Thanks for the help. I feel these questions are a bit juvenile, but they caused me some angst last night whilst trying to fall asleep! Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382682#382682


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    Time: 12:21:40 PM PST US
    From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions
    Rounded edges on the steel fittings is no problem. Polish them using a Scotchbrite wheel on your grinder. It is especially important to polish the edges before you do any bending. When drilling holes use an undersized twist drill and use a reamer for final hole sizing. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> Sent: Saturday, September 08, 2012 1:47 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steel Fittings and Prep questions > <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> > > I began cutting steel last night and I made my first Cabane fittings that > will go on the Fuse to hold the center Cabanes onto the fuselage. Drilled > the holes with a borrowed MicroLux mill so it is all accurate down to the > .001 (sure makes it easy to just turn a crank handle ever so many turns to > dial in a measurement!) > > I have been reading Tony B's chapter on fittings and have a few questions: > > He mentions having NO scratches on the steel, and to keep the edges of the > steel rather sharp. I rounded the edges of the flat stock with the > grinder. I hate to sound naive, but I am with steel: is rounded edges on > the straps a problem? > > Polishing the faces of the steel: I bought a grinder that has 2 wheels- a > rough and a fine wheel. BUT, the wheels are about 3/4" wide, and so I have > used the side of the wheels to grind the round edges, otherwise I would > get a series of 3/4" marks all down the side, and would not be smooth or > consistant. So, what do you use to polish the FACE of the part to prep it > for the Zinc paint? I got some very small marks in the steel from filing > the edges off of the holes I drilled, so I'd like to polish them out. > Nothing deep, just the standard scratches in the face of the steel when > you run a file over it. > > Also, when fitting these to the fuselage, I am assuming the 2 holes that > are drilled in the fuse to mount these fittings (again, to hold the center > cabanes to the fuse) are drilled as such: the first hole at the bottom of > the fitting is drilled through the side strut leading to the top longeron, > and the second hole through the center line of the side of the top > longeron. Is this correct? How far up should the 1/4" hole be above the > top longeron to safely fit the cabane strut? > > I am comfortable with the wood, but haven't found my sea legs yet with the > steel. However, I DO have 8 new fittings that look pretty good, I just > need to figure how smooth to make them without over doing it! > > Thanks for the help. I feel these questions are a bit juvenile, but they > caused me some angst last night whilst trying to fall asleep! > > Mark > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382682#382682 > > >


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    Time: 01:16:44 PM PST US
    From: Ryan M <aircamperace@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions
    Mark do you have any pics of the MicroLux in action?=0A=0ARyan=0A=0A=0A____ ____________________________=0A From: Mark Roberts <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com> =0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Saturday, September 8, 2012 2: 47 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Steel Fittings and Prep questions=0A =0A-- =0A=0AI began cutting steel last night and I made my first Cabane fittings that will go on the Fuse to hold the center Cabanes onto the fuselage. Dril led the holes with a borrowed MicroLux mill so it is all accurate down to t he .001 (sure makes it easy to just turn a crank handle ever so many turns to dial in a measurement!)=0A=0AI have been reading Tony B's chapter on fit tings and have a few questions:=0A=0AHe mentions having NO scratches on the steel, and to keep the edges of the steel rather sharp. I rounded the edge s of the flat stock with the grinder. I hate to sound naive, but I am with steel: is rounded edges on the straps a problem?=0A=0APolishing the faces o f the steel: I bought a grinder that has 2 wheels- a rough and a fine wheel . BUT, the wheels are about 3/4" wide, and so I have used the side of the w heels to grind the round edges, otherwise I would get a series of 3/4" mark s all down the side, and would not be smooth or consistant. So, what do you use to polish the FACE of the part to prep it for the Zinc paint? I got so me very small marks in the steel from filing the edges off of the holes I d rilled, so I'd like to polish them out. Nothing deep, just the standard scr atches in the face of the steel when you run a file over it.=0A=0AAlso, whe n fitting these to the fuselage, I am assuming the 2 holes that are drilled in the fuse to mount these fittings (again, to hold the center cabanes to the fuse) are drilled as such: the first hole at the bottom of the fitting is drilled through the side strut leading to the top longeron, and the seco nd hole through the center line of the side of the top longeron. Is this co rrect? How far up should the 1/4" hole be above the top longeron to safely fit the cabane strut?=0A=0AI am comfortable with the wood, but haven't foun d my sea legs yet with the steel. However, I DO have 8 new fittings that lo ok pretty good, I just need to figure how smooth to make them without over doing it!=0A=0AThanks for the help. I feel these questions are a bit juveni le, but they caused me some angst last night whilst trying to fall asleep! =0A=0AMark=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.ma =============


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    Time: 01:22:31 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions
    From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
    Mark, You mention polishing, then mention you have a grinder with a fine and coarse wheel... Several things come to mind here. First, a "grinder" is a nebulous term. You have a grinder motor (?) with a couple of grinding wheels on it most likely. Those wheels, coarse and fine, 3/4" wide, are most likely aluminum oxide wheels. They are good for actually shaping parts you are making, as well as "polishing" to the extent of maybe removing saw marks (hack saw, contour saw, horiz metal cutting saw, etc) from the edges of parts before you polish them. In the big scheme of things, those things are pretty coarse and generally leave a scratch pattern deep enough to create stress risers. Which is how they can shape metal. Things that polish, for the most part, don't change the shape of the metal significantly. So, what Greg mentions is a "scotchbrite" wheel. It'll look quite like the wheels on your "grinder", but it's made of a propietary stuff that really is just a fine abrasive that will take out grinder marks. Probably not quite aggressive enough to take out most saw marks. Does that make sense? Those scotchbrite wheels are about a hundred bucks, though they'll last for a dozen or so piets... You would mount it on your grinder, which is why I call "grinders" nebulous, because once you do that, it's kind of a polisher, ya know? Really, it's just a motor, what it does depends on what you have mounted on it. A quick safety note. Those gray aluminum oxide wheels aren't really meant to be used on the sides, though about everyone does. Just be careful and don't put a lot of pressure when using the sides. You can also use sanders to do the polishing you need for these metal fittings. They're called sanders because the most common use for them is to mount a belt of sandpaper and sand wood. However, you can get "sandpaper" in all sorts of configurations. Stuff specifically made to withstand the harshness of "sanding" metal, sufficiently fine, will do the same polishing as the scotchbrite wheel. Sufficiently coarse, will shape metal easily. The most common sanders for this sort of thing is a little benchtop sander that uses 1"x30" or 1"x42" belts, or one that uses a 4"x36" or 4"x48" belt, or ones that use various sized discs. Aluminum oxide sanding belts are generally used for woodworking (and are reddish) but will work. Better (and more expensive) are blue ones made of Zirconium Oxide. Coarse ones are good enough to shape metal, really fine ones do a grand job of polishing out saw marks and deep scratches left by the coarser belts (or grinding wheels). Google a company called Klingspor, or "the sanding company" for some great info on sanding products. So, generally, and for a quick efficient job, it's a couple of steps. Cut out the part (with some sort of saw). Do further shaping (files, grinders or coarse sanding belts). Use the same gizmo you used for "further shaping" to get ride of really coarse saw marks (or milling machine marks, whatever). Then use fine products (belts, scotchbrite wheels, or even really fine files) to just get rid of any obvious easily visible scratches. Keep in mind how you use any given method of sanding, or grinding (which are also merely methods of cutting) matters. A coarse medium applied randomly, will produce a smoother surface, hence the effectiveness of random orbit (or dual action) sanders. Although it's a bit deceiving. The size of the particle doing the cutting really is the governing factor. But when applied randomly, there aren't really any long deep straight scratches. Pay close attention when you use a file. When used one way, there's an obvious scratch pattern left behind (bad for stress risers and eventual cracks), but used another way (as in drawfiling) a smooth surface is left behind. The goal of all of this is to NOT leave behind a scratch pattern that is conducive to metal cracking with exposure to vibration (or while bending). If you keep that in mind, it makes more sense. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382688#382688


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    Time: 01:46:49 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions
    From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
    Not yet, but I'll take some. I don't have it connected to any stepper motors to use it as a CNC, but I am thinking about it. Wouldn't be too hard... But, for just boring holes in a straight line, I am 'counting the turns' manually! :D I'll post some soon... aircamperace(at)yahoo.com wrote: > Mark do you have any pics of the MicroLux in action? > > > Ryan > > > From: Mark Roberts > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Sent: Saturday, September 8, 2012 2:47 PM > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Steel Fittings and Prep questions > > > > I began cutting steel last night and I made my first Cabane fittings that will go on the Fuse to hold the center Cabanes onto the fuselage. Drilled the holes with a borrowed MicroLux mill so it is all accurate down to the .001 (sure makes it easy to just turn a crank handle ever so many turns to dial in a measurement!) > > I have been reading Tony B's chapter on fittings and have a few questions: > > He mentions having NO scratches on the steel, and to keep the edges of the steel rather sharp. I rounded the edges of the flat stock with the grinder. I hate to sound naive, but I am with steel: is rounded edges on the straps a problem? > > Polishing the faces of the steel: I bought a grinder that has 2 wheels- a rough and a fine wheel. BUT, the wheels are about 3/4" wide, and so I have used the side of the wheels to grind the round edges, otherwise I would get a series of 3/4" marks all down the side, and would not be smooth or consistant. So, what do you use to polish the FACE of the part to prep it for the Zinc paint? I got some very small marks in the steel from filing the edges off of the holes I drilled, so I'd like to polish them out. Nothing deep, just the standard scratches in the face of the steel when you run a file over it. > > Also, when fitting these to the fuselage, I am assuming the 2 holes that are drilled in the fuse to mount these fittings (again, to hold the center cabanes to the fuse) are drilled as such: the first hole at the bottom of the fitting is drilled through the side strut leading to the top longeron, and the second hole through the center line of the side of the top longeron. Is this correct? How far up should the 1/4" hole be above the top longeron to safely fit the cabane strut? > > I am comfortable with the wood, but haven't found my sea legs yet with the steel. However, I DO have 8 new fittings that look pretty good, I just need to figure how smooth to make them without over doing it! > > Thanks for the help. I feel these questions are a bit juvenile, but they caused me some angst last night whilst trying to fall asleep! > > Mark > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopicmatronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382689#382689


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    Time: 01:54:18 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions
    From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
    Wow! Thanks guys for the good replies. I am doing some further research on the Scotch-Brite wheels mentioned and there appears to be a series of them. Not to beat a dead horse, as I bet all of them would work well, but do you have any idea which might e better at this on 4130 than perhaps another? Here are a couple of links on amazon: http://www.amazon.com/Scotch-Brite-Multi-Finishing-Wheel-PRICE-WHEEL/dp/B0006N7KZE http://www.amazon.com/Scotch-Brite-Deburring-Wheel-PRICE-WHEEL/dp/B0012ISZOM/ref=pd_sbs_indust_3 and finally: http://www.amazon.com/Scotch-Brite-Deburring-Wheel-PRICE-WHEEL/dp/B0012ISZOM/ref=pd_sbs_indust_3 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382690#382690


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    Time: 01:57:32 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions
    From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
    BTW, Thanks Tools for the very detailed help... I am off to look for stuff at http://www.klingspor.com/ (Always wondered where the Klingons came from... This being the 46th anniversary of Star Trek) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382691#382691


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    Time: 02:29:24 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions
    From: "Billy McCaskill" <billmz@cox.net>
    Mark, don't forget to very lightly chamfer/deburr any holes that you drill or ream in your steel fittings. This will also help prevent stress risers. -------- Billy McCaskill Baker, LA tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382695#382695


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    Time: 02:54:00 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: what I would do differently, wing spars and other
    things
    From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Axel: gimp on out here on that bad leg and get me if you can. Set heading about 330 magnetic and settle in for a 2200 mi. ride. When you get here, I know you can easily beat me up but it will be hard for you to do with a pint of Standing Stone Amber Ale in one hand and a Pacific halibut hamburger in the other. I'll have them ready. I do hope to fly wingman with you again sometime. I realize that you'll need to throttle back to about 1/2 throttle to keep the mighty Vair under control while my old Continental wheezes away at full throttle, but a minute or two is all it will take for some air-to-air shots and then you can power away from me again. Hope you are healing well, friend. do not archive -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford/Ashland, OR Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382696#382696


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    Time: 04:50:30 PM PST US
    Subject: Routed Rib Jig
    From: "FandS_Piet" <fkim79@gmail.com>
    Here is a picture of our rib jig. We drew up the rib in autocad and had it routed it out on a cnc. The reason we came up with this ideas is being that my father and I are both building together we wanted to be able to both make ribs in our own garages at our leisure as we continue to focus on other parts of the build when we get together. We wanted to ensure that they where exactly the same. All the gusset areas are routed down about 1/32 so you can inlay and snap the bottom gussets in place, that way we can glue both sides of the rib up at once and complete a whole rib per night instead of just one side. After the first rib my dad came up with the clever idea of making a peg board to remove the completed rib once dry. -------- Fred Kim Pittsburgh, Pa Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382701#382701 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/gedc1585_135.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/gedc1564_957.jpg


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    Time: 05:02:00 PM PST US
    From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
    Subject: Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions
    J...F...C... Tools=2C write a book or something . . . . > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions > From: n0kkj@yahoo.com > Date: Sat=2C 8 Sep 2012 13:22:15 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > Mark=2C > > You mention polishing=2C then mention you have a grinder with a fine and coarse wheel... > > Several things come to mind here. First=2C a "grinder" is a nebulous ter m. You have a grinder motor (?) with a couple of grinding wheels on it mos t likely. Those wheels=2C coarse and fine=2C 3/4" wide=2C are most likely aluminum oxide wheels. They are good for actually shaping parts you are ma king=2C as well as "polishing" to the extent of maybe removing saw marks (h ack saw=2C contour saw=2C horiz metal cutting saw=2C etc) from the edges of parts before you polish them. > > In the big scheme of things=2C those things are pretty coarse and general ly leave a scratch pattern deep enough to create stress risers. Which is h ow they can shape metal. Things that polish=2C for the most part=2C don't change the shape of the metal significantly. > > So=2C what Greg mentions is a "scotchbrite" wheel. It'll look quite like the wheels on your "grinder"=2C but it's made of a propietary stuff that r eally is just a fine abrasive that will take out grinder marks. Probably n ot quite aggressive enough to take out most saw marks. Does that make sens e? > > Those scotchbrite wheels are about a hundred bucks=2C though they'll last for a dozen or so piets... You would mount it on your grinder=2C which is why I call "grinders" nebulous=2C because once you do that=2C it's kind of a polisher=2C ya know? Really=2C it's just a motor=2C what it does depend s on what you have mounted on it. > > A quick safety note. Those gray aluminum oxide wheels aren't really mean t to be used on the sides=2C though about everyone does. Just be careful a nd don't put a lot of pressure when using the sides. > > You can also use sanders to do the polishing you need for these metal fit tings. They're called sanders because the most common use for them is to m ount a belt of sandpaper and sand wood. However=2C you can get "sandpaper" in all sorts of configurations. Stuff specifically made to withstand the harshness of "sanding" metal=2C sufficiently fine=2C will do the same polis hing as the scotchbrite wheel. Sufficiently coarse=2C will shape metal eas ily. > > The most common sanders for this sort of thing is a little benchtop sande r that uses 1"x30" or 1"x42" belts=2C or one that uses a 4"x36" or 4"x48" b elt=2C or ones that use various sized discs. > > Aluminum oxide sanding belts are generally used for woodworking (and are reddish) but will work. Better (and more expensive) are blue ones made of Zirconium Oxide. Coarse ones are good enough to shape metal=2C really fine ones do a grand job of polishing out saw marks and deep scratches left by the coarser belts (or grinding wheels). > > Google a company called Klingspor=2C or "the sanding company" for some gr eat info on sanding products. > > So=2C generally=2C and for a quick efficient job=2C it's a couple of step s. Cut out the part (with some sort of saw). Do further shaping (files=2C grinders or coarse sanding belts). Use the same gizmo you used for "furth er shaping" to get ride of really coarse saw marks (or milling machine mark s=2C whatever). Then use fine products (belts=2C scotchbrite wheels=2C or even really fine files) to just get rid of any obvious easily visible scrat ches. > > Keep in mind how you use any given method of sanding=2C or grinding (whic h are also merely methods of cutting) matters. A coarse medium applied ran domly=2C will produce a smoother surface=2C hence the effectiveness of rand om orbit (or dual action) sanders. Although it's a bit deceiving. The siz e of the particle doing the cutting really is the governing factor. But wh en applied randomly=2C there aren't really any long deep straight scratches . > > Pay close attention when you use a file. When used one way=2C there's an obvious scratch pattern left behind (bad for stress risers and eventual cr acks)=2C but used another way (as in drawfiling) a smooth surface is left b ehind. > > The goal of all of this is to NOT leave behind a scratch pattern that is conducive to metal cracking with exposure to vibration (or while bending). > > If you keep that in mind=2C it makes more sense. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382688#382688 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > >


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    Time: 07:47:20 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions
    From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
    Tony B's dead. There's more to write about building aircraft, I'm sure. Volumes and volumes and volumes. Important to drill those holes to .001" accuracy. When you take your hand drill and use a technique called "wallering" to get the bolts to go through those close-tolerance holes that accuracy will be extremely relevant. Enjoy your build, Mark. I appreciate your enthusiasm, Sir:). do not archive -------- Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382712#382712


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    Time: 09:49:55 PM PST US
    Subject: looking for the new aircraft flying the Riblett wing
    From: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
    spent the last half hour searching to no avail for the individual who (within the last few months or so) posted how they are flying their newly finished piet with a riblett wing. i think the fuselage is 2 inches deeper and 2 inches wider, if that rings any bells. Was hoping to find out more about his real world experience with the wing. Thanks; Paul Donahue -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382714#382714


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    Time: 09:52:09 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions
    From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
    Hey guys, slightly off topic, but I am really impressed and grateful to be a part of this list.... Let me BRIEFLY (I tend to ramble) explain: Looked for years to decided what to build. Didn't look at the support groups or lists like this to determine what to build, but I should have. I have a link directly to this list that I use to log in. Tonight I had to log on via the forums.matronics.com site and navigate to this group. On the way I slowly scrolled through the main page of groups to see what other groups are active. I had NO idea that this group was far away the most active and helpful! Have you guys seen the difference in the amount of posts here versus the other popular builds? I was very surprised and very pleased. You know, it could be somewhat intimidating to see how much this forum is read, but you guys make it so comfortable to ask a question, and are so supportive and non-cliquish that I haven't thought about asking a question or two. I'd like to again say thanks for the help. So I'll be ordering a scotch-brite wheel soon. But until then, I sure appreciate the advice and moral support. I hope I can afford a Brodhead trip next year! Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382715#382715


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    Time: 10:05:00 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: looking for the new aircraft flying the Riblett wing
    From: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
    Oh, Just refined my search and found him. disreguard. thanks -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382716#382716


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    Time: 11:41:19 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions
    From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
    Quick follow up on the first post question that I didn't see addressed is placement of the drilled holes for the cabana fittings: Also, when fitting these to the fuselage, I am assuming the 2 holes that are drilled in the fuse to mount these fittings (again, to hold the center cabanes to the fuse) are drilled as such: the first hole at the bottom of the fitting is drilled through the side strut leading to the top longeron, and the second hole through the center line of the side of the top longeron. Is this correct? How far up should the 1/4" hole be above the top longeron to safely fit the cabane strut? Thanks again. Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382718#382718




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