Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Sun 09/09/12


Total Messages Posted: 28



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 04:48 AM - landing gear (JOSEPH SWITHIN)
     2. 05:23 AM - Re: landing gear (Gary Boothe)
     3. 06:11 AM - Re: landing gear (TOM MICHELLE BRANT)
     4. 07:31 AM - Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions (tools)
     5. 08:42 AM - Re: landing gear (echobravo4)
     6. 08:53 AM - First Flight of VH-XHE (johnwoods@westnet.com.au)
     7. 10:57 AM - Re: Re: what I would do differently, wing spars and other things (airlion)
     8. 11:03 AM - Re: First Flight of VH-XHE (Jack Phillips)
     9. 11:20 AM - Re: First Flight of VH-XHE (nightmare)
    10. 11:30 AM - Re: First Flight of VH-XHE (nightmare)
    11. 11:34 AM - Re: what I would do differently, wing spars and other things (kevinpurtee)
    12. 11:54 AM - Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions (Mark Roberts)
    13. 12:26 PM - Re: landing gear (Chris)
    14. 01:33 PM - Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions (tools)
    15. 01:40 PM - Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions (tools)
    16. 01:53 PM - Re: Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions (Ryan Mueller)
    17. 02:24 PM - Re: landing gear (Billy McCaskill)
    18. 02:49 PM - Re: First Flight of VH-XHE (V Groah)
    19. 03:23 PM - Re: Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions (Jack Phillips)
    20. 04:08 PM - Re: landing gear (jarheadpilot82)
    21. 05:41 PM - bottom fitting plate (Daniel Engelkenjohn)
    22. 05:58 PM - Re: Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions (Jack Phillips)
    23. 06:51 PM - Re: First Flight of VH-XHE (johnwoods@westnet.com.au)
    24. 09:34 PM - Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions (Mark Roberts)
    25. 09:35 PM - Re: bottom fitting plate (Chris)
    26. 09:37 PM - Re: First Flight of VH-XHE (taildrags)
    27. 09:55 PM - Re: Re: First Flight of VH-XHE?????// (jorge lizarraga)
    28. 11:20 PM - Re: Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions (Clif Dawson)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:48:35 AM PST US
    From: JOSEPH SWITHIN <joeswithin@yahoo.com>
    Subject: landing gear
    After looking at the Sky Scout and the Aircamper, today's question is: Would the landing gear used on the Sky Scout work on the Aircamper? Has anyone tried this, or is there a flaw/design issue that would not allow this to work? Joe Swithin Morris, IL


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    Time: 05:23:03 AM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: landing gear
    Oooo.A Sky-camper! You take advantage of the fact that TC has left the building, although I'm sure this is merely the Sunday morning musings of an idle mind. Joe - Please explain yourself before you invoke the wrath of his deputy, Safety Dan! I suspect that this falls into the category of 'some things you just don't do', like pee into the wind, or kick sand in Chuck Norris' face. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOSEPH SWITHIN Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 4:48 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: landing gear After looking at the Sky Scout and the Aircamper, today's question is: Would the landing gear used on the Sky Scout work on the Aircamper? Has anyone tried this, or is there a flaw/design issue that would not allow this to work? Joe Swithin Morris, IL


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    Time: 06:11:56 AM PST US
    From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant@msn.com>
    Subject: landing gear
    I looked at doing this -(not the peeing into the wind part) - The vertical strut that goes up to the top longeron seems to be the problem for the airc amper. The point that it meets the longeron in the scout is braced horizon tally across the fuselage where as in the aircamper=2C it wouldn't be due t o the location of the front seat. Of course this was after looking at it f or 5-10 minutes so It's possible that I missed something and someone might be able to figure something out. Tom B. From: gboothe5@comcast.net Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: landing gear Oooo=85A Sky-camper! You take advantage of the fact that TC has left the bu ilding=2C although I=92m sure this is merely the Sunday morning musings of an idle mind. Joe ' Please explain yourself before you invoke the wrath o f his deputy=2C Safety Dan! I suspect that this falls into the category of =91some things you just don=92t do=92=2C like pee into the wind=2C or kick sand in Chuck Norris=92 face=85 Gary BootheNX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-li st-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOSEPH SWITHIN Sent: Sunday=2C September 09=2C 2012 4:48 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: landing gear After looking at the Sky Scout and th e Aircamper=2C today's question is: Would the landing gear used on the Sky Scout work on the Aircamper? Has anyone tried this=2C or is there a flaw/de sign issue that would not allow this to work? Joe Swithin Morris=2C IL http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-Listhttp://foru ms.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution


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    Time: 07:31:43 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions
    From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
    Mine are about a half inch I'd say (I'm not where the plane is now to check for sure). That upper hole being located on the centerline of the longeron should set things where they were designed to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382729#382729


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    Time: 08:42:35 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: landing gear
    From: "echobravo4" <eab4@comcast.net>
    yep- been done Walter Argenbright- pics on west coast piet -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382732#382732


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    Time: 08:53:55 AM PST US
    From: johnwoods@westnet.com.au
    Subject: First Flight of VH-XHE
    Dear List, I am please to report that o n Monday 27th August at 0700, Aircamper VH-XHE took first flight with builder Graham Hewitt, aged 84, at the controls. The 20 minute flight was completed safely at Jandakot airport in Western Australia. This morning, 9th Sept at 0700, Graham took to the skies for a second time completing two circuits and landing safely on the grass strip adjacent to the runway. Those of you who have been on the list for a while may remember Graham. He started the project about 7 years ago. The Pietenpol being his third homebuilt. Graham is a retired airline pilot with many thousands of hours flying single and multi engine conventional U/C aircraft and holds a low level aerobatic rating. Graham's Aircamper is the long fuselage variant with Riblette 612 aerofoil and powered by an O-235 Lycoming. The wing, incorporating built-up spars and Piper style landing gear construction are from Jim Wills plans. Graham has also incorporated a door for the front seat. Empty weight at 740lbs, initial flight reports indicate an excellent ROC and 85 kts at 2500 RPM with a 68x45 prop and at 33 kts she was still flying but had a high ROD and wings stayed level. Initial flight problem was a nose heavy tendency possibly caused by wash-in at the tips of the stabiliser. This was corrected prior to the second flight however back stick was still required to keep the nose from dropping in level flight. To be resolved first before more extensive flight testing can continue. The wing is shifted back 2" from vertical and the CoG was with in range for the 612. See attached photo of VH-XHE resting after her second flight. Hopefully a video will be posted in time and I can provide updates as to flight performance, especially for those interested in the 612. Best regards, John Woods Perth, Western Australia


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    Time: 10:57:25 AM PST US
    From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: what I would do differently, wing spars and other
    things Kevin, you might consider putting an aluminum pan for the back seat.. It confrms to my bottom and is quiet comfy.. I did and it dropped me 1.5 inches. You might try and figure out how you can do it to the front pit. I have a cut out in the center section and that is where I anchor the front shoulder harness. It also gives the right angle. The aluminum pan is also suggested b Tony Bengelis. My center section fuel tank is 20.5 gallons and I drain from the front for flying downhill and a drain in the back for flying uphill. Both drains flow down with the tail on the ground to the gasculator. Cheers, Gardiner --- On Thu, 9/6/12, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote: > From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: what I would do differently, wing spars and other things > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Thursday, September 6, 2012, 11:48 AM > --> Pietenpol-List message posted > by: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> > > So Oscar, you know that despite the fact that I'm recovering > I can still kick your butt, right?:) > > Just kidding, of course. > > On the rebuild, we will do the following: > > - 3 piece wing, > - Use a Gary Boothe fuel tank (~16 gallons), > - Move the fuel tank filler port forward a little for ease > of refueling, > - Probably use the lightweight fabric as Jack mentioned, > - Slant the back seat back a little as Jack mentioned, > - Figure out a way to make Shelley more comfortable in the > front seat, raise the seat, figure out better cushions, > whatever, > - Maybe raise the turtle deck an inch? We'll see, > - Use fittings at the top of the rear cabanes as an attach > point for the front seat shoulder harness attach cable vs. > the through-the-cabane eyebolts we used, > - Maybe use a head rest to raise the back seat shoulder > harness, > - I loved the brakes, but need to figure out a way to quit > popping spokes. May just use Jack's design. > We'll see, > - Maybe a cutout in the wing? > - Add a sump to the fuel tank, of course.... > > I loved the airplane and it performed nicely. These > are changes for convenience (except for the sump in the fuel > tank, of course...). > > -------- > Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/San Marcos, TX > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382508#382508 > > > > > > > > Email Forum - > - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > List Contribution Web Site - > -Matt > Dralle, List Admin. > > > >


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    Time: 11:03:20 AM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: First Flight of VH-XHE
    Excellent news, John and congratulations to Graham! It'll be interesting to get the flight data from the Riblett, although with an O-235, a barn door would produce a good climb rate. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of johnwoods@westnet.com.au Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 11:53 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Flight of VH-XHE Dear List, I am please to report that on Monday 27th August at 0700, Aircamper VH-XHE took first flight with builder Graham Hewitt, aged 84, at the controls. The 20 minute flight was completed safely at Jandakot airport in Western Australia. This morning, 9th Sept at 0700, Graham took to the skies for a second time completing two circuits and landing safely on the grass strip adjacent to the runway. Those of you who have been on the list for a while may remember Graham. He started the project about 7 years ago. The Pietenpol being his third homebuilt. Graham is a retired airline pilot with many thousands of hours flying single and multi engine conventional U/C aircraft and holds a low level aerobatic rating. Graham's Aircamper is the long fuselage variant with Riblette 612 aerofoil and powered by an O-235 Lycoming. The wing, incorporating built-up spars and Piper style landing gear construction are from Jim Wills plans. Graham has also incorporated a door for the front seat. Empty weight at 740lbs, initial flight reports indicate an excellent ROC and 85 kts at 2500 RPM with a 68x45 prop and at 33 kts she was still flying but had a high ROD and wings stayed level. Initial flight problem was a nose heavy tendency possibly caused by wash-in at the tips of the stabiliser. This was corrected prior to the second flight however back stick was still required to keep the nose from dropping in level flight. To be resolved first before more extensive flight testing can continue. The wing is shifted back 2" from vertical and the CoG was with in range for the 612. See attached photo of VH-XHE resting after her second flight. Hopefully a video will be posted in time and I can provide updates as to flight performance, especially for those interested in the 612. Best regards, John Woods Perth, Western Australia


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    Time: 11:20:16 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: First Flight of VH-XHE
    From: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
    Thank you for the info John. pass along to Graham a hearty congrats on a beautiful airplane. there are around 10 or so (that i know of) who are planning, building, or flying with the riblett wing. more are probably contemplating the option. I've been gathering info about the setup but would love to get as much info as possible so that we all can have our riblett piets setup correctly the first time if at all possible. with that said, I'd like to request the following details. 1. are the fore and aft cabane struts the same length? (angle of incidence) 2. what cg range is Graham using? 3. how much does he or who ever was flight testing weigh? 4. are the motor mounts extended beyond standard? 5. nose tank, wing tank, or both? and were they all filled for test flight? 6. starter? battery location? any other questions or enlightened facts that fellow Riblett piet builders would like to pass along would also be helpful. Hopefully you guys down under can give us the down low. Thanks; Paul pauldonahuepilot(at)yahoo.com Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382749#382749


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    Time: 11:30:02 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: First Flight of VH-XHE
    From: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
    Oh yea; here's another; 7. did Graham build in any dihedral or washout? Thanks; Paul Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382750#382750


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    Time: 11:34:28 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: what I would do differently, wing spars and other
    things
    From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
    @Oscar: at this point I couldn't catch you from 22 feet, much less 2200 miles. Also, you bring up good points about having an adult beverage in hand. You're a practical guy. @Gardiner: thanks. Good ideas. Appreciate your thoughts. do not archive -------- Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382751#382751


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    Time: 11:54:51 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions
    From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
    Thanks Tools! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382754#382754


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    Time: 12:26:04 PM PST US
    From: "Chris" <catdesigns@att.net>
    Subject: landing gear
    Joe You mean something like this? One thing you learn after being involved with Pietenpol for a while is, if you can think of it someone already tried it. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JOSEPH SWITHIN Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 4:48 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: landing gear After looking at the Sky Scout and the Aircamper, today's question is: Would the landing gear used on the Sky Scout work on the Aircamper? Has anyone tried this, or is there a flaw/design issue that would not allow this to work? Joe Swithin Morris, IL


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    Time: 01:33:43 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions
    From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
    An exception I can think of is if you're making wood struts or something and designed those fittings differently than original and need the hole a little further away from the longeron or something. Also, there's a BUNCH of fittings on the plans for brace wiring where the hole really isn't far enough away from the fuse to allow putting in the clevis pin in the correct orientation (ie from the top) or easily. Knowing this ahead of time and making them a tad longer (sometimes as little as a 1/4") would make a world of difference. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382762#382762


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    Time: 01:40:56 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions
    From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
    kevinpurtee wrote: > When you take your hand drill and use a technique called "wallering" to get the bolts to go through... Man ain't this the truth! In all fairness, will probably have to "waller" a bit less though. waller (n. wall-er latin) 1. art of making bolts fit close tolerance holes sp. wallo, wallos, wallamos, wallas, wallan Is it too late to get this in the Tony B. glossary of homebuilding terms? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382763#382763


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    Time: 01:53:26 PM PST US
    From: Ryan Mueller <ryan@rmueller.org>
    Subject: Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions
    You're just custom fitting each hole to the bolt....picking up the slack from the manufacturing tolerances....ahem Sent from my iPhone On Sep 9, 2012, at 3:45 PM, tools <n0kkj@yahoo.com> wrote: > > > kevinpurtee wrote: >> When you take your hand drill and use a technique called "wallering" to get the bolts to go through... > > > Man ain't this the truth! In all fairness, will probably have to "waller" a bit less though. > > waller (n. wall-er latin) 1. art of making bolts fit close tolerance holes > > sp. wallo, wallos, wallamos, wallas, wallan > > Is it too late to get this in the Tony B. glossary of homebuilding terms? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382763#382763 > >


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    Time: 02:24:35 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: landing gear
    From: "Billy McCaskill" <billmz@cox.net>
    Pietenwhatinthheckisthat? I like his cargo pods on the lift struts, though. -------- Billy McCaskill Baker, LA tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382768#382768


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    Time: 02:49:40 PM PST US
    From: V Groah <vgroah@hotmail.com>
    Subject: First Flight of VH-XHE
    It is great to hear of all these success stories. Gary in California=2C no w another new one. Good stuff!!! Mike Groah is back in the air with his i n California as well. From: pietflyr@bellsouth.net Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: First Flight of VH-XHE Excellent news=2C John and congratulations to Graham! It=92ll be interesti ng to get the flight data from the Riblett=2C although with an O-235=2C a b arn door would produce a good climb rate. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake=2C Virginia From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of johnwoods@westnet.com.au Sent: Sunday=2C September 09=2C 2012 11:53 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: First Flight of VH-XHE Dear List=2C I am please to report that on Monday 27th August at 0700=2C Aircamper VH-XH E took first flight with builder Graham Hewitt=2C aged 84=2C at the control s. The 20 minute flight was completed safely at Jandakot airport in Western Au stralia. This morning=2C 9th Sept at 0700=2C Graham took to the skies for a second t ime completing two circuits and landing safely on the grass strip adjacent to the runway. Those of you who have been on the list for a while may remember Graham. He started the project about 7 years ago. The Pietenpol being his third homebu ilt. Graham is a retired airline pilot with many thousands of hours flying singl e and multi engine conventional U/C aircraft and holds a low level aerobati c rating. Graham's Aircamper is the long fuselage variant with Riblette 612 aerofoil and powered by an O-235 Lycoming. The wing=2C incorporating built-up spars and Piper style landing gear const ruction are from Jim Wills plans. Graham has also incorporated a door for t he front seat. Empty weight at 740lbs=2C initial flight reports indicate an excellent ROC and 85 kts at 2500 RPM with a 68x45 prop and at 33 kts she was still flying but had a high ROD and wings stayed level. Initial flight problem was a nose heavy tendency possibly caused by wash-in at the tips of the stabiliser. This was corrected prior to the second flight however back stick was still required to keep the nose from dropping in level flight. To be resolved fir st before more extensive flight testing can continue. The wing is shifted back 2" from vertical and the CoG was with in range for the 612. See attached photo of VH-XHE resting after her second flight. Hopefully a video will be posted in time and I can provide updates as to fl ight performance=2C especially for those interested in the 612. Best regards=2C John Woods Perth=2C Western Australia


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    Time: 03:23:17 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions
    Actually when I was working at General Dynamics, I learned that the correct terminology is to "Obligate" the hole, so that it's obligated to accept the bolt. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tools Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 4:41 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions kevinpurtee wrote: > When you take your hand drill and use a technique called "wallering" to get the bolts to go through... Man ain't this the truth! In all fairness, will probably have to "waller" a bit less though. waller (n. wall-er latin) 1. art of making bolts fit close tolerance holes sp. wallo, wallos, wallamos, wallas, wallan Is it too late to get this in the Tony B. glossary of homebuilding terms? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382763#382763


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    Time: 04:08:37 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: landing gear
    From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
    Billy, I believe "the ordnance" are actually small cargo compartments. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382773#382773


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    Time: 05:41:03 PM PST US
    From: "Daniel Engelkenjohn" <mushface1@gmail.com>
    Subject: bottom fitting plate
    On pg. 3 of the plans in the lower left corner =9Cbottom fitting plate=9D that goes on the bottom of the fuselage. My question: should the 5/16=9D holes be 28 3/4=9D apart, as that would be the center to center width of the wing spars? Dennis


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    Time: 05:58:56 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions
    Check out the RV-10 list sometime. What a bunch of whiners! Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 12:52 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions Hey guys, slightly off topic, but I am really impressed and grateful to be a part of this list.... Let me BRIEFLY (I tend to ramble) explain: Looked for years to decided what to build. Didn't look at the support groups or lists like this to determine what to build, but I should have. I have a link directly to this list that I use to log in. Tonight I had to log on via the forums.matronics.com site and navigate to this group. On the way I slowly scrolled through the main page of groups to see what other groups are active. I had NO idea that this group was far away the most active and helpful! Have you guys seen the difference in the amount of posts here versus the other popular builds? I was very surprised and very pleased. You know, it could be somewhat intimidating to see how much this forum is read, but you guys make it so comfortable to ask a question, and are so supportive and non-cliquish that I haven't thought about asking a question or two. I'd like to again say thanks for the help. So I'll be ordering a scotch-brite wheel soon. But until then, I sure appreciate the advice and moral support. I hope I can afford a Brodhead trip next year! Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382715#382715


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    Time: 06:51:52 PM PST US
    From: johnwoods@westnet.com.au
    Subject: Re: First Flight of VH-XHE
    List, A correction to my report on Graham's engine of choice. It is a Continental O-200. To those with inquiring minds, I will pass the questions on to Graham for answers. Best regards, > John Woods Perth , Western Australia >


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    Time: 09:34:59 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions
    From: "Mark Roberts" <mark.rbrts1@gmail.com>
    Hey guys, slightly off topic, but I am really impressed and grateful to be a part of this list.... Let me BRIEFLY (I tend to ramble) explain: Looked for years to decided what to build. Didn't look at the support groups or lists like this to determine what to build, but I should have. I have a link directly to this list that I use to log in. Tonight I had to log on via the forums.matronics.com site and navigate to this group. On the way I slowly scrolled through the main page of groups to see what other groups are active. I had NO idea that this group was far away the most active and helpful! Have you guys seen the difference in the amount of posts here versus the other popular builds? I was very surprised and very pleased. You know, it could be somewhat intimidating to see how much this forum is read, but you guys make it so comfortable to ask a question, and are so supportive and non-cliquish that I haven't thought about asking a question or two. I'd like to again say thanks for the help. So I'll be ordering a scotch-brite wheel soon. But until then, I sure appreciate the advice and moral support. I hope I can afford a Brodhead trip next year! Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382782#382782


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    Time: 09:35:57 PM PST US
    From: "Chris" <catdesigns@att.net>
    Subject: bottom fitting plate
    That's how I installed mine. Chris Sacramento, Ca Westcoastpiet.com _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Engelkenjohn Sent: Sunday, September 09, 2012 5:43 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: bottom fitting plate On pg. 3 of the plans in the lower left corner "bottom fitting plate" that goes on the bottom of the fuselage. My question: should the 5/16" holes be 28 3/4" apart, as that would be the center to center width of the wing spars? Dennis


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    Time: 09:37:24 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: First Flight of VH-XHE
    From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    She's a beauty, mate! Glad to hear that the first flights have been safe and successful so far. Carry on! It will be of great interest to all on this list to hear how the airplane handles and performs with the Riblett. The more data that can be carefully acquired while flight testing, the better. In fact, I'll bet that Doc Mosher would welcome a semi-technical article for the BPA Newsletter on performance with the Riblett vs. the tried-and-true Pietenpol wing. In this case, the best comparison would be between O-200 powered Piets, but any data would be good. Stall speed, cruise speed, time to climb, speed vs. RPM, trim force required. Input! Data points! Once the initial rigging tweaks are made and the test pilot is comfortable with the airplane, it would be nice to see data start coming in. I note that the aileron horns have lightening holes in them, thus I assume that they were not fabricated as hollow airfoil shapes as the plans call for, but rather from flat metal stock. Are they aluminum? Cheers! -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford/Ashland, OR Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382783#382783


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    Time: 09:55:45 PM PST US
    From: jorge lizarraga <flightwood@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: First Flight of VH-XHE?????//
    hi Oscar were I cand see these video jorge from hanford=0A=0A=0AFrom: taild rags <taildrags@hotmail.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Su nday, September 9, 2012 9:37 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Flight s@hotmail.com>=0A=0AShe's a beauty, mate!- Glad to hear that the first fl ights have been safe and successful so far.- Carry on!=0A=0AIt will be of great interest to all on this list to hear how the airplane handles and pe rforms with the Riblett.- The more data that can be carefully acquired wh ile flight testing, the better.- In fact, I'll bet that Doc Mosher would welcome a semi-technical article for the BPA Newsletter on performance with the Riblett vs. the tried-and-true Pietenpol wing.- In this case, the be st comparison would be between O-200 powered Piets, but any data would be g ood.- Stall speed, cruise speed, time to climb, speed vs. RPM, trim force required.- Input!- Data points!- Once the initial rigging tweaks are made and the test pilot is comfortable with the airplane, it would be nice to see data start coming in.=0A=0AI note that the aileron horns have light ening holes in them, thus I assume that they were not fabricated as hollow airfoil shapes as the plans call for, but rather from flat metal stock.- Are they aluminum?=0A=0ACheers!=0A=0A--------=0AOscar Zuniga=0AMedford/Ashl and, OR=0AAir Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot;=0AA75 power=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARea d this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p =========================0A ==


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    Time: 11:20:33 PM PST US
    From: "Clif Dawson" <cdawson5854@shaw.ca>
    Subject: Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions
    I vote for this one! I bet they used it on sailing ships when the gronicle just refused to fit the binnicle gimp. Clif The Early Bird may get the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese. > > Actually when I was working at General Dynamics, I learned that the > correct > terminology is to "Obligate" the hole, so that it's obligated to accept > the > bolt. > > Jack Phillips > NX899JP > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia




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