---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 09/10/12: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:21 AM - Re: Looking for a steel tube piet (Greg Bacon) 2. 05:41 AM - Landing Gear (JOSEPH SWITHIN) 3. 06:34 AM - Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions (kevinpurtee) 4. 06:43 AM - Mtn Piet wing repair update (Greg Bacon) 5. 07:59 AM - Re: Re: First Flight of VH-XHE (johnwoods@westnet.com.au) 6. 08:12 AM - Re: Looking for a steel tube piet (Jeff Souders) 7. 08:35 AM - Re: Re: First Flight of VH-XHE (Jim Markle) 8. 08:50 AM - Re: Mtn Piet wing repair update (Michael Perez) 9. 09:14 AM - Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions (Jerry Dotson) 10. 09:44 AM - Re: Looking for a steel tube piet (Greg Bacon) 11. 09:59 AM - Re: Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions (Hans van der Voort) 12. 10:08 AM - Re: Mtn Piet wing repair update (Greg Bacon) 13. 10:44 AM - Re: Mtn Piet wing repair update (Michael Perez) 14. 01:50 PM - Re: what I would do differently, wing spars and other things (John Fay) 15. 02:31 PM - Re: Looking for a steel tube piet (C N Campbell) 16. 02:37 PM - Re: First Flight of VH-XHE (K5YAC) 17. 02:40 PM - Re: First Flight of VH-XHE (K5YAC) 18. 02:56 PM - Re: Looking for a steel tube piet (Ryan Mueller) 19. 08:28 PM - Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions (taildrags) 20. 08:34 PM - Re: First Flight of VH-XHE (taildrags) 21. 09:23 PM - Re: Re: First Flight of VH-XHE (Jim Markle) 22. 11:20 PM - Re: Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:21:56 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Looking for a steel tube piet From: Greg Bacon Thanks Gary. Ya, I saw it. Have you seen it up close? Looks like a nice bird for the money. Cub wing and gear, so I guess it's a GN-1. However, it's a wooden ship. For some reason, he prefers steel tube. Greg Do not archive On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:19 AM, g. doe wrote: > Greg, there is a flyer in Woodstock, GA for sale, it is on Barnstormers, > it is at the grass field I fly out of, gary > > *From:* Greg Bacon > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Tuesday, September 4, 2012 9:57 PM > *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Looking for a steel tube piet > > Gents, > > There is a fellow in Australia that is looking to purchase a steel tube > piet (flying - not a project). Please contact me if you know of anyone > interested in selling one. > > Thanks, > > do not archive > > -- > Greg Bacon > > > * > > * > > > * > > * > > -- Greg Bacon ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:06 AM PST US From: JOSEPH SWITHIN Subject: Pietenpol-List: Landing Gear Thanks for the info and photos. I knew I would get some great intel form th is group. (I also factored in more good natured abuse.)=0A-=0AJoe Swithin =0AMorris, IL=0AHunting and Gathering Mode ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:13 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions From: "kevinpurtee" "Obligate" is elegant, and I'll use it, but it just doesn't convey the message to your typical East Texan like "waller" will. Gotta know your audience. do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382798#382798 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:16 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mtn Piet wing repair update From: Greg Bacon Hey Guys, Here's a quick update: This weekend I covered the center section (see attached photos). I switched from Poly Fiber to Stewart Systems. I met Rick (last name Schreiber I think) at Brodhead this year, and he sold me on the Stewart Systems covering process. Because of the fumes from the Poly Fiber products, I was planning to move the wing out of the basement and into the barn. This presented a hold up until I made the barn suitable for wing work. There are no fumes with the Stewart Systems stuff, so I'm carrying on with the covering process in our basement. This saved a bunch of work for me. Thank you Rick!! By the way, I'll make someone a good deal on some unopened Poly Fiber products. Paint will be latex to match the rest of the plane. John Dilatush (Mtn Piet builder) used latex with a flexing agent additive. Another plug for Stewart Systems - The 6 disk video set is very good, and I've spoken with Dan Stewart a couple of times. He's patient and very willing to help. Overall, I'm pleased with the result so far. I still have to apply finish tape around the edges. The trailing edge cutout was a challenge. Hope it looks ok when painted. -- Greg Bacon ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:59:03 AM PST US From: johnwoods@westnet.com.au Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Flight of VH-XHE For the curious minds, Graham has provided the following information: Re cabanes: I will measure these but were cut to give exact incidence Harry Riblett stated. i.e. one degree positive. Ribletts C/G range is Fwd limit 18% MAC or 10.8 inches from Wing LE Aft limit 28 % MAC or 16.8 inches from Wing LE But for initial first flight he suggest an Aft limit of 25% or 15 inches then move in increment to 28% Really looking fwd to doing more on stalls but not till the trim prob is resolved & the ASI is checked out properly I weigh 85 Kgs & had 45 litres of fuel for the first flight so the AUW would have been close to 970 Lbs Motor mount extended 1.5 inches Fuel tank in nose holds 62 Lts. 45 lts for initial flight Starter is a very heavy Delco Remy weighs 17 lbs mounted rear housing of 0200 engine suggest a lite weight B&C Tail wheel a very heavy 6 inch Swivel from AC Spruce. Battery small Odyesy mounted on fire wall Booster pump fitted as gravity flow was marginal when near empty small Alternator fitted to fuel pump pad of 0200 Wing has 1 degree dihedral & 1 degree of wash out so far seems to be very docile with no sign of much sink after stall but early days here The only other Piet I have flown is the original Scout with model A built by Bernie in 1934 now based in Perth would you believe. Should have some pics & U Tube soon if any one wishes to email me direct. grhewitt@globaldial.com Regards Graham remember this Piet has less than one hours flight time so all data very provisional. To answer Oscar's question, the control horns are flat 4130 I believe. The aileron horns pass through as per original plans but the rudder and elevator horns are bolted onto the outside surfaces. Best regards, John Woods Perth Western Australia ----- "taildrags" wrote: She's a beauty, mate! Glad to hear that the first flights have been safe and successful so far. Carry on! It will be of great interest to all on this list to hear how the airplane handles and performs with the Riblett. The more data that can be carefully acquired while flight testing, the better. In fact, I'll bet that Doc Mosher would welcome a semi-technical article for the BPA Newsletter on performance with the Riblett vs. the tried-and-true Pietenpol wing. In this case, the best comparison would be between O-200 powered Piets, but any data would be good. Stall speed, cruise speed, time to climb, speed vs. RPM, trim force required. Input! Data points! Once the initial rigging tweaks are made and the test pilot is comfortable with the airplane, it would be nice to see data start coming in. I note that the aileron horns have lightening holes in them, thus I assume that they were not fabricated as hollow airfoil shapes as the plans call for, but rather from flat metal stock. Are they aluminum? Cheers! -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford/Ashland, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382783#382783 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:46 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Looking for a steel tube piet From: Jeff Souders I might be interested in selling mine. If you could have your friend email me if he's interested. piperj3cubflyer@gmail.com Thanks Jeff On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Greg Bacon wrote: > Gents, > > There is a fellow in Australia that is looking to purchase a steel tube > piet (flying - not a project). Please contact me if you know of anyone > interested in selling one. > > Thanks, > > do not archive > > -- > Greg Bacon > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:45 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Flight of VH-XHE For the curious minds, Graham has provided the following information: blah blah blah..... Wing has 1 degree dihedral & 1 degree of wash out so far seems to be very docile with no sign of much sink after stall but early days here 1 degree puts the tip approx 2-3/4" higher than the root at around 13 feet....is the dihedral pretty noticiable or just barely or what's your opinion? Regards and congrats to Graham! ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:50:05 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Mtn Piet wing repair update As usual, the postings here are quite timely as I moved my CS into the shop and will start the covering process of it in a few days. Greg, it appears that you glued all of the fabric to the CS, is that correc t? Did you shrink any of it? I have used the Ekobond on all of my fabric so far and agree...good stuff a nd I will use nothing else. CS looks really nice. If the parts look that nice in bare fabric, you can i magine how nice after paint! Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com --- On Mon, 9/10/12, Greg Bacon wrote: From: Greg Bacon Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mtn Piet wing repair update Hey Guys, Here's a quick update: This weekend I covered the center section (see attached photos). -I switc hed from Poly Fiber to Stewart Systems. -I met Rick (last name Schreiber I think) at Brodhead this year, and he sold me on the Stewart Systems cover ing process. -Because of the fumes from the Poly Fiber products, I was pl anning to move the wing out of the basement and into the barn. -This pres ented a hold up until I made the barn suitable for wing work. -There are no fumes with the Stewart Systems stuff, so I'm carrying on with the coveri ng process in our basement. -This saved a bunch of work for me. -Thank you Rick!! -By the way, I'll make someone a good deal on some unopened Po ly Fiber products. -Paint will be latex to match the rest of the plane. -John Dilatush (Mtn Piet builder) used latex with a flexing agent additiv e. -Another plug for Stewart Systems - The 6 disk video set is very good, and I've spoken with Dan Stewart a couple of times. -He's patient and ve ry willing to help.=0A Overall, I'm pleased with the result so far. -I still have to apply finis h tape around the edges. -The trailing edge cutout was a challenge. -Ho pe it looks ok when painted. =0A-- Greg Bacon =0A=0A ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:14:55 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions From: "Jerry Dotson" Waller would be the term in LA(lower Alabama) and Northwest Florida. Over yonder is yet another term used frequently here. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 First flight June 16,2012 Started building July, 2009 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382808#382808 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:44:08 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Looking for a steel tube piet From: Greg Bacon Hi Jeff, I forwarded your contact info to Alex. Good luck. Greg Do not archive On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 10:12 AM, Jeff Souders wrote: > I might be interested in selling mine. If you could have your friend email > me if he's interested. > > piperj3cubflyer@gmail.com > > Thanks > Jeff > > > On Tue, Sep 4, 2012 at 8:57 PM, Greg Bacon wrote: > >> Gents, >> >> There is a fellow in Australia that is looking to purchase a steel tube >> piet (flying - not a project). Please contact me if you know of anyone >> interested in selling one. >> >> Thanks, >> >> do not archive >> >> -- >> Greg Bacon >> >> >> * >> >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> > -- Greg Bacon ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:59:38 AM PST US From: Hans van der Voort Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions My Piet is build in Waller, stored in Waller, most of the time flying-abo ve Waller.=0AAll the steel fitting have been made in Waller, holes are dril led in-Waller.=0A-=0AObligate would not fit.=0A-=0AHans=0ANX15KV=0AWa ller, TX=0A-=0Ado not archive, for piet sake.=0A =0A=0A__________________ ______________=0A From: kevinpurtee =0ATo: pieten pol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, September 10, 2012 8:33 AM=0ASubjec t: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions=0A =0A--> Pietenp ol-List message posted by: "kevinpurtee" =0A=0A"O bligate" is elegant, and I'll use it, but it just doesn't convey the messag e to your typical East Texan like "waller" will.- Gotta know your audienc e.=0A=0Ado not archive=0A=0A--------=0AKevin "Axel" Purtee=0ANX89 9KP=0AAustin/San Marcos, TX=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A =0Ahttp://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382798#382798=0A=0A=0A=0A =========================0A =================== ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:25 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Mtn Piet wing repair update From: Greg Bacon Mike, yes all the fabric is 100% glued to the wood. And yes, I did run the iron (light heat 250F) over it to remove wrinkles. This is how Dan Stewart described the procedure to me (this is not in the video). And he recommended I use the 1.87 oz fabric as it is easier when covering wood surfaces and looks better. Dilute the Ekobond 5% with distilled water. Coat all wood you are about to cover. Let dry for a few minutes till it is tacky. Apply the fabric. It will cling to the tacky surface. On areas that were a bit too dry, I used the iron to tack it in place. When everything was smoothed out and tacked in place, I ironed out the wrinkles or creases in the fabric that came from being folded up. Next, I applied the 5% diluted Ekobond to the top of the fabric, wiping off the excess with a paper towel. The wiping has to be fairly frequent as the Ekobond dries quickly. In my case, I covered an area about the size of a dinner plate then wiped excess. Wait too long and you will get stringers. Finally, let dry then trim excess fabric. Greg On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > As usual, the postings here are quite timely as I moved my CS into the > shop and will start the covering process of it in a few days. > > Greg, it appears that you glued all of the fabric to the CS, is that > correct? Did you shrink any of it? > > I have used the Ekobond on all of my fabric so far and agree...good stuff > and I will use nothing else. > > CS looks really nice. If the parts look that nice in bare fabric, you can > imagine how nice after paint! > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > --- On *Mon, 9/10/12, Greg Bacon * wrote: > > > From: Greg Bacon > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Mtn Piet wing repair update > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Monday, September 10, 2012, 9:42 AM > > > Hey Guys, > > Here's a quick update: > > This weekend I covered the center section (see attached photos). I > switched from Poly Fiber to Stewart Systems. I met Rick (last name > Schreiber I think) at Brodhead this year, and he sold me on the Stewart > Systems covering process. Because of the fumes from the Poly Fiber > products, I was planning to move the wing out of the basement and into the > barn. This presented a hold up until I made the barn suitable for wing > work. There are no fumes with the Stewart Systems stuff, so I'm carrying > on with the covering process in our basement. This saved a bunch of work > for me. Thank you Rick!! By the way, I'll make someone a good deal on > some unopened Poly Fiber products. Paint will be latex to match the rest > of the plane. John Dilatush (Mtn Piet builder) used latex with a flexing > agent additive. Another plug for Stewart Systems - The 6 disk video set is > very good, and I've spoken with Dan Stewart a couple of times. He's > patient and very willing to help. > > Overall, I'm pleased with the result so far. I still have to apply finish > tape around the edges. The trailing edge cutout was a challenge. Hope it > looks ok when painted. > > -- > Greg Bacon > > > * > > * > > -- Greg Bacon ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:44:24 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Mtn Piet wing repair update Copy- Greg, thanks!- Does not sound too different than covering the oth er parts.- I may get started on the CS this weekend...I am just now start ing to reassemble the mags and carburetor. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com =0A ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:50:02 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: what I would do differently, wing spars and other things From: John Fay Regarding useful mods to the pietenpol fuselage: >From sitting in the pilot's seat with a light winter jacket on, it seemed very tight in the shoulders. Therefore I am widening the cockpit at that point by keeping the fuselage the full 24 inch width until it reaches the pilot's seatback, and then narrowing to the tail. (Vi Kapler said this should work fine, and it does not add as much weight as widening the whole fuselage.) Also to help the w&b, and give more legroom in the front pit and the baggage compartment, we are moving the corvair motor 4 inches forward by moving the firewall four inches ahead. But I am just getting ready to assemble the fuselage from the two sides I have built, so this recommendation is only worth what you are paying for it. John Fay in Peoria ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 02:31:54 PM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Looking for a steel tube piet Greg, the GN-1 does not use a Cub wing. Mr. Grega simply modified the nose of the Pietenpol wing rib to get a little better climb performance. That's the rib I'm using on my Piet. C ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Bacon To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, September 10, 2012 8:21 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Looking for a steel tube piet Thanks Gary. Ya, I saw it. Have you seen it up close? Looks like a nice bird for the money. Cub wing and gear, so I guess it's a GN-1. However, it's a wooden ship. For some reason, he prefers steel tube. Greg Do not archive On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:19 AM, g. doe wrote: Greg, there is a flyer in Woodstock, GA for sale, it is on Barnstormers, it is at the grass field I fly out of, gary From: Greg Bacon To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 4, 2012 9:57 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Looking for a steel tube piet Gents, There is a fellow in Australia that is looking to purchase a steel tube piet (flying - not a project). Please contact me if you know of anyone interested in selling one. Thanks, do not archive -- Greg Bacon " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution -- Greg Bacon ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:37:36 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Flight of VH-XHE From: "K5YAC" John Woods wrote: > The only other Piet I have flown is the original Scout with model A built by Bernie in 1934 now based in Perth would you believe. > No, I would not believe... because the original was built in 1931 and had a Model T. In fact, it made a stop at Brodhead this year on it's way to the Ford Museum. Perhaps you meant "an" original, not "the" original? :-) -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382828#382828 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:40:44 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Flight of VH-XHE From: "K5YAC" Oh yeah, congratulations on getting another Piet in the air! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382829#382829 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:56:14 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Looking for a steel tube piet From: Ryan Mueller Chuck, The Grega can be built with a Cub wing.....this was one of the "benefits" of the design back when Grega devised it, as Cub parts and pieces were more plentiful and cheaper..... On Mon, Sep 10, 2012 at 4:31 PM, C N Campbell wrote: > ** > Greg, the GN-1 does not use a Cub wing. Mr. Grega simply modified the > nose of the Pietenpol wing rib to get a little better climb performance. > That's the rib I'm using on my Piet. C > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Greg Bacon > *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Monday, September 10, 2012 8:21 AM > *Subject:* Re: Pietenpol-List: Looking for a steel tube piet > > Thanks Gary. Ya, I saw it. Have you seen it up close? Looks like a nice > bird for the money. Cub wing and gear, so I guess it's a GN-1. However, > it's a wooden ship. For some reason, he prefers steel tube. > > Greg > > Do not archive > > On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 9:19 AM, g. doe wrote: > >> Greg, there is a flyer in Woodstock, GA for sale, it is on >> Barnstormers, it is at the grass field I fly out of, gary >> >> *From:* Greg Bacon >> *To:* pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> *Sent:* Tuesday, September 4, 2012 9:57 PM >> *Subject:* Pietenpol-List: Looking for a steel tube piet >> >> Gents, >> >> There is a fellow in Australia that is looking to purchase a steel tube >> piet (flying - not a project). Please contact me if you know of anyone >> interested in selling one. >> >> Thanks, >> >> do not archive >> >> -- >> Greg Bacon >> >> >> * >> >> * >> >> >> >> * >> >> " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> tp://forums.matronics.com >> _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution >> * >> >> > > > -- > Greg Bacon > > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 08:28:36 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions From: "taildrags" What's ironic about "obligating" bolts is that in music, an 'obbligato' denotes a passage of music that is to be played exactly as written, or only by the specified instrument, without changes or omissions. No wallering allowed ;o) I will stand apologetically before all y'all proper builders with all the right tools and say that I do not own any of the proper tools to make precision fits... Sears electric hand drill and Harbor Freight drill press, hardware store twist drills. No reamers. I try to be careful and I think I can recognize a poor-fitting assembly, but on the other hand I will admit that there may be one or two places on my airplane where parts have been 'persuaded' to join together and one or two others where they are living together happily but may not be married in holy wedlock by the book. do not archive -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford/Ashland, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382842#382842 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:34:24 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Flight of VH-XHE From: "taildrags" >1 degree puts the tip approx 2-3/4" higher than the root at around 13 feet....is the dihedral pretty noticiable Jim: Scout has the dihedral set where the tips are 3" higher than the roots and it's noticeable, but not excessive. See how noticeable it is by looking at the top three pictures here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/CorkyPiet.html -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford/Ashland, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382843#382843 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:17 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Flight of VH-XHE thanks Oscar....well, that doesn't seem too bad. 3" just sounds like a lot. appreciate it.... -----Original Message----- >From: taildrags >Sent: Sep 10, 2012 10:34 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: First Flight of VH-XHE > > >>1 degree puts the tip approx 2-3/4" higher than the root at around 13 feet....is the dihedral pretty noticiable > >Jim: Scout has the dihedral set where the tips are 3" higher than the roots and it's noticeable, but not excessive. See how noticeable it is by looking at the top three pictures here: > > http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/CorkyPiet.html > >-------- >Oscar Zuniga >Medford/Ashland, OR >Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" >A75 power > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=382843#382843 > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:20:35 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Steel Fittings and Prep questions Does this mean you're obligated to waller in Waller? Sounds like it's a good fit. Clif Life is uncertain. Eat dessert first. do not archive My Piet is build in Waller, stored in Waller, most of the time flying above Waller. All the steel fitting have been made in Waller, holes are drilled in Waller. Obligate would not fit. 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