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5. 07:13 AM - Re: Jack Phillips Tailwheel (Michael Perez)
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7. 07:37 AM - Re: Jack Phillips Tailwheel (Michael Perez)
8. 08:57 AM - Re: Jack Phillips Tailwheel (FandS_Piet)
9. 09:16 AM - First run of Corvair on Pietenpol (caldwrl)
10. 09:19 AM - Re: First run of Corvair on Pietenpol (kevinpurtee)
11. 09:28 AM - Re: First run of Corvair on Pietenpol (TOM STINEMETZE)
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13. 01:43 PM - Update (bender)
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15. 02:00 PM - Re: Update (V Groah)
16. 03:01 PM - Re: Update (aerocarjake)
17. 05:02 PM - Re: Update (helspersew@aol.com)
18. 06:09 PM - Re: Corvair College 24 (IT Girl)
19. 06:52 PM - Re: Update (Billy McCaskill)
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21. 07:08 PM - pieces parts (IT Girl)
22. 07:19 PM - Re: Update (biplan53)
23. 07:24 PM - Re: Update (kevinpurtee)
24. 07:29 PM - Re: First run of Corvair on Pietenpol (kevinpurtee)
25. 07:55 PM - Re: pieces parts (Mark Roberts)
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| Subject: | Jack Phillips Tailwheel |
Hi Fred, the pictures may be messed up because I am utilizing the leaf
spring design. Jack Phillips swears by the plans built but mine weighs 4
pounds with a Scott wheel. Not flying yet...
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
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Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 9:20 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jack Phillips Tailwheel
Hey Jack. I've noticed in looking at some pictures of your airplane on
Chris Tracy's site that that you have/had a plans built tail wheel and one
with a leaf spring. I was just wondering which one you have currently, why
the change and which do you like best?
I would like to keep the look of the plans built wheel, yet I really the
idea of steerable with break free castering.
Thanks.
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Pittsburgh, Pa
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| Subject: | Jack Phillips Tailwheel |
Hi Fred,
I originally built my Pietenpol with a leaf spring tailwheel, uisng a Scott
6" tailwheel that I bought on ebay, and a leaf spring from a Piper PA-12
Super Cruiser. I used this combination for the first 7 hours of operation
of my aircraft until I had a forced landing due to problems with my carb
heat setup. In that landing, I put the airplane down on US Highway 64 west
of Raleigh, NC. As I approached to land, I found a pickup truck was right
where I need to land and had to pul the nose up to slow down enough to let
him get ahead of me. Then to prevent a stall I nosed down pretty severely
and flew the plane into the ground hard enough that it broke the axle. I
recovered from the bounce, landed the plane safely and was congratulating
myself on having saved the airplane when the axle gave way, the right wing
dropped and full left rudder, left brake and left aileron could not keep it
out of the ditch. The ensuing groundloop tore the tailwheel leafspring off
the fuselage, cracking the lower right longeron in the process.
Not the happiest day in my life. This was in November 2004. The repairs
took over 7 months. During that repair process, I did more analyzing of the
tailwheel design and came to the realization that (as usual) BHP knew what
he was doing when he developed his A-Arm design. The problem with a leaf
spring design is that it was really developed for a steel tube fuselage. In
a leaf spring tailwheel, the loads are concentrated at the main bolt that
connectes the spring to the fuselage, and the saddle that clamps the springs
at the tailpost. This works fine with wood until the side loads (such as in
a groundloop) are too great and the saddle lets go. At that point ALL the
loads go into that bolt, and the twisting forces get transferred to the
longerons. Since my longeron was cracked by the impact I had to repair that
area and did not want to then put another leaf spring bolt back into that
repaired area, so I looked at the BHP design.
I built the BHP design to the plans for the tailskid and added a fitting to
hold the shoe of the tailwheel. Once I got the airplane repaired and flying
again, I did the initial test flights with that setup. I noticed that
applying hard rudder inputs to break the tailwheel into free-swivel mode
caused a strange shimmy that was really the twisting of the a-arm. After
about 5 hours of operation, as I was taxiing for takeoff and hit a pothole
with the tailwheel, which broke off. Good thing it happened while taxiing!
This picture shows the first A-Arm tailwheel assembly I tried. Note the
repairs to the lower right longeron.
After that, I built a new A-Arm assembly with a couple of improvements. I
made the steel tubing of .049" wall rather than the 20 gage (.035") called
for in the plans. I added a brace between the open ends of the assembly to
stiffen it, and I moved the tailwheel to be directly under the coil spring
(as the plans had originally shown). Because I added so much steel, I
changed from the 6" Scott, which weighed a lot, to an Aircraft Spruce
"Homebuilders Special" 4" tailwheel. Once it was all finished, I was
surprised to find that the whole assembly weighed about 4 lbs less than the
orignial leaf spring assembly. The tailwheel is fully steerable and can
break into free swivel and works just fine. The only problem with the
tailwheel is that it breaks into free swivel much easier when turning left
than when turning right (one of these days I'll take it apart and fix that)
but it's not a problem as long as I remember that. It's been working fine
now for 7 years and nearly 300 hours
Here's a picture of the final configuration:
And here's a picture showing it installed on the airplane:
As Abraham Lincoln once said "I apologize for the long letter. I didn't
have time to write a short one."
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FandS_Piet
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2012 10:20 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jack Phillips Tailwheel
Hey Jack. I've noticed in looking at some pictures of your airplane on
Chris Tracy's site that that you have/had a plans built tail wheel and one
with a leaf spring. I was just wondering which one you have currently, why
the change and which do you like best?
I would like to keep the look of the plans built wheel, yet I really the
idea of steerable with break free castering.
Thanks.
--------
Fred Kim
Pittsburgh, Pa
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| Subject: | Corvair College 24 |
The registration site for Corvair College 24 is up and running. It can be found
at https://corvaircollege.wufoo.com/forms/corvair-college-24-registration/
The fall college is once again hosted by P.F. Beck and the gang in Barnwell SC.
The airport is KBNL.
The dates are November 9,10,11
More info is available here: http://barnwellregionalairport.com/Corvair_College___19.html
Folks,
I Highly recommend attending, even if you might be planning on using once certified
propulsion with letter like A, C and O in their descriptions. P.F. Beck and
Don Harper are currently conducting tests of Dons new Pietenpol this means
there will be at least 2 Pietenpol available to take pictures, and ask the builders
all kinds of questions about their creations. I will leave it up to the
other Piet builders, but I suspect at least one more Piet will be back. If we
are lucky we will get to see a high speed pass by some hot-rodded Corvairs as
we have the last two years at Barnwell!
If you are wondering (as I did my first time I attended) there is no real official
schedule. Folks show up early Friday morning, pick a spot and get to work.
There is an engine hoist available. The engine test stand arrives around noon
on Friday. WW takes a few minutes to get settled and the one-on-one and demonstrations
begin. There will be engines in just about every stage of completion.
You will have the opportunity to learn from others both their progress and setbacks.
Some minor build problems will develop during the event with an engine
or two and they will be resolved on the spot and you will learn!
Camping spots are plentiful and the grass reminds me of a pool table
Very nice shower facilities
Some of the nicest people you will ever meet are the hosts
A chow wagon shows up and price of admission gets you breakfast Saturday and Sunday
and lunch and dinner on Saturday (although in the south I think its dinner
and supper??)
Saturday Nights dinner (or is it supper? ) is 100% authentic, 24 hour, on location,
slow cooked North Carolina BBQ and it is excellent! And is also included
in the registration price.
My engine ran at last year at the Barnwell event and I will be coming mostly to
see P.F., Don Tim and other friends I have met along the way Hopefully Gardner
will be in attendance as well. I wonder if a Texas Contingency will show up?
If you are a newbie and have questions feel free to email me off list rdewenter
(-a-t-) woh.rr.com
Bob early builder Dewenter
Dayton OH
Piet / Corvair builder
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| Subject: | Next Corvair College #24 at Barnwell [ KBNL ] |
Fellow Pietenpol enthusiasts,
The next Corvair College will be held at Barnwell Airport [ KBNL ] on
November 9, 10, 11.
For those who are not familiar with a Corvair College, it is a gathering
of aviation enthusiasts, started by William Wynne in 2004, for those who
want expert information on building a corvair engine for use on an
airplane.
The registration is now open at
https://corvaircollege.wufoo.com/forms/corvair-college-24-registration/
For more information about the airport , go to
www.barnwellregionalairport.com
William Wynne will have additional information on his web site shortly
www.flycorvair.net
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| Subject: | Jack Phillips Tailwheel |
Outstanding intel. and pictures Jack!- How many hours are on the new tail
wheel?- I ask because mine is .049" wall tube, 4" wheel, wheel located u
nder coil spring, "A" arm, etc.
Just curious.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Jack Phillips Tailwheel |
As I indicated, I've got about 300 hours on the airplane, and the first
tailwheel had 7 hours, the second (first a-arm) had 5 hours. The rest have
been with the second a-arm design.
I've seen your pictures and recommend you add the cross brace to the a-arm.
Otherwise it twists pretty easily. If it lets go on landing as mine did
while taxiing, you will find yourself in an awkward situation.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Thursday, September 13, 2012 10:13 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Jack Phillips Tailwheel
Outstanding intel. and pictures Jack! How many hours are on the new tail
wheel? I ask because mine is .049" wall tube, 4" wheel, wheel located under
coil spring, "A" arm, etc.
Just curious.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Jack Phillips Tailwheel |
Thanks. I was distracted by the photos that I did not take the time to read
the details well..
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
--- On Thu, 9/13/12, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Jack Phillips Tailwheel
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indicated, I=99ve got about 300=0Ahours on the airplane, and the fir
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rest have been with the second a-arm design. =0A=0A =C2- =0A=0AI
=99ve seen your pictures and=0Arecommend you add the cross brace to the a-a
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=0A Just curious.
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=0A Michael Perez
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| Subject: | Re: Jack Phillips Tailwheel |
Jack T. My eyes may be deceiving me but it clearly looks like there is a leaf
spring style tail wheel in one of the pictures.
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Fred Kim
Pittsburgh, Pa
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| Subject: | First run of Corvair on Pietenpol |
This old East Texas boy finally "wallered" all the right holes and mounted the
Corvair (CC 21 alum.), installed induction system, fuel system, electricals, instruments,
and deemed it ready to crank. Last Tuesday I rolled it out of the
hanger, anchored it to my F-150, set the brakes (on the F-150), turned on fuel,
flipped switches, primed, and punched the starter button. Well, it came to
life and I savored a sweet moment or two... first run on the Piet.
Leading up to the above, I had fun with the Stromberg NA-S3A1 and need to thank
Gary from Cool for bringing the recent topic up, as I learned a few things from
all the posts. Seems to run very well on the old Stromberg, so far... (I'll
manage the dribbles with the main fuel valve).
Another first for me was posting videos on YouTube, so I am including below a couple
of links to the Corvair runs of the day. Let me know if you have any issues
with them, since it's my first effort.
So, onward to setting the wings to the center section and rigging. I plan to use
a set of J-3 lift struts, so if anyone has any hints or comments to make this
happen, please comment. I think there is sufficient details in the archives
to help this phase, but any info is always welcome.
Links:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5mthhGiApM&feature=vmdshb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53FWqi6pDa0
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Robert Caldwell
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| Subject: | Re: First run of Corvair on Pietenpol |
Love it! Congratulations, Robert.
do not archive
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Re: First run of Corvair on Pietenpol |
Robert:
That's an interesting treatment for your exhaust pipes. Looks cool and gets the
heat moved out of the engine compartment quickly. Hope you don't end up breathing
too many exhaust fumes though.
Tom Stinemetze
do not archive
>>> "caldwrl" <caldwrl@etex.net> 9/13/2012 11:16 AM >>>
This old East Texas boy finally "wallered" all the right holes and mounted the
Corvair (CC 21 alum.), installed induction system, fuel system, electricals, instruments,
and deemed it ready to crank. Last Tuesday I rolled it out of the
hanger, anchored it to my F-150, set the brakes (on the F-150), turned on fuel,
flipped switches, primed, and punched the starter button. Well, it came to
life and I savored a sweet moment or two... first run on the Piet.
Leading up to the above, I had fun with the Stromberg NA-S3A1 and need to thank
Gary from Cool for bringing the recent topic up, as I learned a few things from
all the posts. Seems to run very well on the old Stromberg, so far... (I'll
manage the dribbles with the main fuel valve).
Another first for me was posting videos on YouTube, so I am including below a couple
of links to the Corvair runs of the day. Let me know if you have any issues
with them, since it's my first effort.
So, onward to setting the wings to the center section and rigging. I plan to use
a set of J-3 lift struts, so if anyone has any hints or comments to make this
happen, please comment. I think there is sufficient details in the archives
to help this phase, but any info is always welcome.
Links:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5mthhGiApM&feature=vmdshb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53FWqi6pDa0
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Robert Caldwell
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| Subject: | Re: First run of Corvair on Pietenpol |
Robert - A BIG Woo-hoo!!! That is a sweet sound!
Gary
Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry
-----Original Message-----
From: "caldwrl" <caldwrl@etex.net>
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
This old East Texas boy finally "wallered" all the right holes and mounted the
Corvair (CC 21 alum.), installed induction system, fuel system, electricals, instruments,
and deemed it ready to crank. Last Tuesday I rolled it out of the
hanger, anchored it to my F-150, set the brakes (on the F-150), turned on fuel,
flipped switches, primed, and punched the starter button. Well, it came to
life and I savored a sweet moment or two... first run on the Piet.
Leading up to the above, I had fun with the Stromberg NA-S3A1 and need to thank
Gary from Cool for bringing the recent topic up, as I learned a few things from
all the posts. Seems to run very well on the old Stromberg, so far... (I'll
manage the dribbles with the main fuel valve).
Another first for me was posting videos on YouTube, so I am including below a couple
of links to the Corvair runs of the day. Let me know if you have any issues
with them, since it's my first effort.
So, onward to setting the wings to the center section and rigging. I plan to use
a set of J-3 lift struts, so if anyone has any hints or comments to make this
happen, please comment. I think there is sufficient details in the archives
to help this phase, but any info is always welcome.
Links:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5mthhGiApM&feature=vmdshb
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53FWqi6pDa0
--------
Robert Caldwell
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Well gents...
I have some wiring to do and a few little panels to make.. some touch up here and
there... but here it is... pretty much together..
looking forward to taxiing around and trying her out..
jeff
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| Subject: | Jeff's new Pietenpol |
Just gorgeous Jeff! Really elegant and clean looking. Those kerosene burners
will be jealous when they hear
your engine running and smell that sweet Ford A exhaust!
When will the FAA (or designee) be doing your inspection? You're in KY yes?
That will make TWO new Piets
from KY this year in the air since Douwe's has made it's first flight.
Great photos too.
Mike C.
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Very nice=2C where are you located? I like the cowling good work Vic NX
414MV california
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Update
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Beautiful, just beautiful...!!
Do not archive
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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Jeff,
Gorgeous airplane!! You gonna be able to taxi around there with the skid? G
reg Cardinal has a great solution, welding on hardened drill rod to the bot
tom of the skid plate. A great idea that I myself copied!
Dan helsper
Puryear, TN
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Sent: Thu, Sep 13, 2012 3:43 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Update
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Well gents...
I have some wiring to do and a few little panels to make.. some touch up he
re
and there... but here it is... pretty much together..
looking forward to taxiing around and trying her out..
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair College 24 |
The Texas contingency has it on the calendar :)
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Shelley Tumino
IT Girl
wife of "Axel"
NX899KP
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Beautiful airplane, Jeff! You should be very proud of the airplane you built!
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Billy McCaskill
Baker, LA
tail section almost done, starting on ribs soon
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| Subject: | Re: Corvair College 24 |
he he he... you are "BOB THE Builder"... sorry, I couldn't resist
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Shelley Tumino
IT Girl
wife of "Axel"
NX899KP
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Christmas came early.....an engine showed up on the doorstep today.
Thank you... you know who you are!
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Shelley Tumino
IT Girl
wife of "Axel"
NX899KP
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Jeff your plane looks great!! I needed a good dose of encouragement,seeing your
plane helped.
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Building steel fuselage aircamper.
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Stunning! Congratulations. That's gorgeous.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Re: First run of Corvair on Pietenpol |
@Tom - Exhaust is very similar to what you rode behind last year:).
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
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Austin/San Marcos, TX
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| Subject: | Re: pieces parts |
This group is the best! What a great bunch of people here...
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| Subject: | Re: First run of Corvair on Pietenpol |
Way to go Robert! Looking and sounding good!
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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Very nice!
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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