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1. 04:26 AM - Re: Update (Don Emch)
2. 02:39 PM - Jeff's external aileron cables (nightmare)
3. 02:46 PM - Chick Magnet is Kicking In (Gary Boothe)
4. 02:52 PM - need help deciding on powerplant (nightmare)
5. 02:52 PM - need help deciding on powerplant (nightmare)
6. 03:07 PM - Re: need help deciding on powerplant (Gary Boothe)
7. 03:22 PM - Re: need help deciding on powerplant (Ryan Mueller)
8. 03:46 PM - Re: need help deciding on powerplant (IT Girl)
9. 04:06 PM - Re: need help deciding on powerplant (IT Girl)
10. 04:51 PM - Re: Re: need help deciding on powerplant (Ken Bickers)
11. 06:13 PM - Re: need help deciding on powerplant (Pietn38b@aol.com)
12. 06:21 PM - flop (Daniel Engelkenjohn)
13. 06:47 PM - Re: Re: need help deciding on powerplant (Jack Phillips)
14. 06:55 PM - Re: flop (Ryan Mueller)
15. 07:06 PM - Re: Re: need help deciding on powerplant (Ryan Mueller)
16. 07:18 PM - Re: need help deciding on powerplant (IT Girl)
17. 09:20 PM - Re: need help deciding on powerplant (nightmare)
18. 09:43 PM - Re: need help deciding on powerplant (K5YAC)
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Jeff,
Very, very nice. I love the look. Didn't you start building that thing like...
last month!?
And yes... Welcome to the Green and Cream Team!
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Jeff's external aileron cables |
Are there any plans/drawings on that external aileron setup? Thanks; Paul
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| Subject: | Chick Magnet is Kicking In |
Gary Boothe
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| Subject: | need help deciding on powerplant |
I may be flip flopping. Lately have been leaning heavily towards a Continental.
from a65 to 0200. I'm trying to keep an open mind and wanted some opinions on
the Corvair.
What could i expect to spend on the lower horsepower corvair with no starter,
alternator. Just bare bones, hand propping action. the only splurge would be
to put the other cam in it so it turns the "right" way. And i would be doing
all the work myself. I'm going to talk to the folks over at flycorvair.com, but
i also wanted some real Piet builders opinions. Thanks; Paul
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| Subject: | need help deciding on powerplant |
I may be flip flopping. Lately have been leaning heavily towards a Continental.
from a65 to 0200. I'm trying to keep an open mind and wanted some opinions on
the Corvair.
What could i expect to spend on the lower horsepower corvair with no starter,
alternator. Just bare bones, hand propping action. the only splurge would be
to put the other cam in it so it turns the "right" way. And i would be doing
all the work myself. I'm going to talk to the folks over at flycorvair.com, but
i also wanted some real Piet builders opinions. Thanks; Paul
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| Subject: | need help deciding on powerplant |
Paul,
Just my humble opinion....
Do not sell short the starter/alternator combo, for several reasons:
1) You're only talking about a few hundred dollars;
2) The corvair is not comfortable to prop (I've done it...compression occurs
at a lower position);
3) The safety factor is HUGE! William Wynne will tell you the same thing.
As for which way the prop turns...I'm elated that my prop spins the same way
as a Spitfire!!
Stop flip/flopping, sign up for the next Corvair College in Barnwell, SC,
and get on with your project.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nightmare
Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 2:52 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: need help deciding on powerplant
--> <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
I may be flip flopping. Lately have been leaning heavily towards a
Continental. from a65 to 0200. I'm trying to keep an open mind and wanted
some opinions on the Corvair.
What could i expect to spend on the lower horsepower corvair with no
starter, alternator. Just bare bones, hand propping action. the only splurge
would be to put the other cam in it so it turns the "right" way. And i would
be doing all the work myself. I'm going to talk to the folks over at
flycorvair.com, but i also wanted some real Piet builders opinions. Thanks;
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: need help deciding on powerplant |
Well, I started typing, but Gary beat me too it....so I'll just have to
say: I concur.
There's zero point in reversing the rotation. Having hand-propped a Corvair
(not even a fresh engine, it was the Last Original before the rebuild): no
thank you. So much nicer to be able to just climb in and push a button. The
starter is well worth the money. And why bother worrying about having to
charge a battery to power your ignition?
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Paul,
>
> Just my humble opinion....
>
> Do not sell short the starter/alternator combo, for several reasons:
>
> 1) You're only talking about a few hundred dollars;
> 2) The corvair is not comfortable to prop (I've done it...compression
> occurs
> at a lower position);
> 3) The safety factor is HUGE! William Wynne will tell you the same thing.
>
> As for which way the prop turns...I'm elated that my prop spins the same
> way
> as a Spitfire!!
>
> Stop flip/flopping, sign up for the next Corvair College in Barnwell, SC,
> and get on with your project.
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nightmare
> Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 2:52 PM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: need help deciding on powerplant
>
> --> <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
>
> I may be flip flopping. Lately have been leaning heavily towards a
> Continental. from a65 to 0200. I'm trying to keep an open mind and wanted
> some opinions on the Corvair.
> What could i expect to spend on the lower horsepower corvair with no
> starter, alternator. Just bare bones, hand propping action. the only
> splurge
> would be to put the other cam in it so it turns the "right" way. And i
> would
> be doing all the work myself. I'm going to talk to the folks over at
> flycorvair.com, but i also wanted some real Piet builders opinions.
> Thanks;
> Paul
>
> --------
> Paul Donahue
> Started 8-3-12
> do not archive
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: need help deciding on powerplant |
Here Here!!
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Shelley Tumino
IT Girl
wife of "Axel"
NX899KP
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| Subject: | Re: need help deciding on powerplant |
Here is the thing. Your power plant choice is really your own. You will get strong
opinions here from everyone, based on their personal choice. Bottom line
it is your decision. Talk with some of the guys about the flight characteristics
you need, and the geographic locations where you will do the most flying.
You will come to a decision about what powerplant is right for you, based on
your needs and your budget.
For example, if you are leaning toward a certified engine, you are probably looking
at an immediate outlay of expense in a lump sum, where building a corvair
can be done piecemeal as you can afford it. An added benefit is that you built
it, you know how it is put together, and can likely fix it when it needs maintenance
(my opinion).
Grace and William at FLycorvair will guide you through the process with the corvair,
but they will not guide you to any specific powerplant either.
If you are able, please come to CC24 in Barnwell, SC. Many people come to Corvair
College to help make their decision about power plants. If you cant make
CC24, we will be hosting a Corvair College in Spring of 2014 in Austin, TX
Good luck.
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Shelley Tumino
IT Girl
wife of "Axel"
NX899KP
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: need help deciding on powerplant |
Shelley, I can't make it to Barnwell for the upcoming Corvair College,
but will try my damndest to get to Austin for the one in the spring.
Do you have dates, even tentative ones, yet for the Austin CC?
Thanks, Ken
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 5:05 PM, IT Girl <shlizbth@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Here is the thing. Your power plant choice is really your own. You will get
strong opinions here from everyone, based on their personal choice. Bottom line
it is your decision. Talk with some of the guys about the flight characteristics
you need, and the geographic locations where you will do the most flying.
You will come to a decision about what powerplant is right for you, based
on your needs and your budget.
>
> For example, if you are leaning toward a certified engine, you are probably looking
at an immediate outlay of expense in a lump sum, where building a corvair
can be done piecemeal as you can afford it. An added benefit is that you built
it, you know how it is put together, and can likely fix it when it needs
maintenance (my opinion).
>
> Grace and William at FLycorvair will guide you through the process with the corvair,
but they will not guide you to any specific powerplant either.
>
> If you are able, please come to CC24 in Barnwell, SC. Many people come to Corvair
College to help make their decision about power plants. If you cant make
CC24, we will be hosting a Corvair College in Spring of 2014 in Austin, TX
> Good luck.
>
> --------
> Shelley Tumino
> IT Girl
> wife of "Axel"
> NX899KP
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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>
>
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| Subject: | Re: need help deciding on powerplant |
Paul
I now have three corvair powered aircraft. The one in my piet is a
plane-jane Pietenpol conversion. I have had no trouble with hand propping
although since I put starters on the other two I have decided to put a starter
on
the Piet in the furture. I also hand propped the DA-2A for the first 500
hrs also. Even though I really like the corvairs the little continentals
are hard to beat in a Piet, I've flown both.
Jim Ballew.
In a message dated 9/15/2012 4:52:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com writes:
--> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "nightmare"
<pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
I may be flip flopping. Lately have been leaning heavily towards a
Continental. from a65 to 0200. I'm trying to keep an open mind and wanted some
opinions on the Corvair.
What could i expect to spend on the lower horsepower corvair with no
starter, alternator. Just bare bones, hand propping action. the only splurge
would be to put the other cam in it so it turns the "right" way. And i would be
doing all the work myself. I'm going to talk to the folks over at
flycorvair.com, but i also wanted some real Piet builders opinions. Thanks; Paul
--------
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Are there any plans or dimensions for a center section flop available?
Dennis
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| Subject: | Re: need help deciding on powerplant |
-----Original Message-----
For example, if you are leaning toward a certified engine, you are probably
looking at an immediate outlay of expense in a lump sum, where building a
corvair can be done piecemeal as you can afford it. An added benefit is
that you built it, you know how it is put together, and can likely fix it
when it needs maintenance (my opinion).
Not necessarily true. I bought my Continental A65 as a box of parts, for
$1500. Two years later I bought new Millenium cylinders for it. A year
later I sent the crankshaft and the crankcase out for overhaul and bought a
new camshaft. A year later I assembled everything. Total cost $7,500 for a
zero time vertified aircraft engine - very little more than a full-up
Corvair conversion with the fifth bearing.
As Shelley said, the deciding factor should be the type of flying you expect
to do and the terrain you will be flying over. Will you be flying out of
short strips with tall trees? If so you may need more power and opt for a
Corvair, or an O-200 or O-235.
One thing to remember in choosing is how easy it may be to get service if
you have a problem away from home. Most aircraft repair shops will not
touch an auto engine conversion, so while you might be able to repair a
Corvair or Ford very inexensively, you may not be able to repair it at all
when on a trip.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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The flop is in the F&G Manual plans, but not in the later full size plans.
It's offset to the left in the original one piece wing plans, which would
make sense since you are stepping up and in from the left side. With the
three piece you either just flop the trailing portion of the center
section, or figure out how you might want to work out an offset portion to
the left. Part of the fun!
[image: Inline image 1]
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 8:23 PM, Daniel Engelkenjohn <mushface1@gmail.com>wrote:
> Are there any plans or dimensions for a center section flop available?
>
> Dennis
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: need help deciding on powerplant |
Just to play devil's advocate, 8 years ago you majored a 65HP aircraft
engine for $7500 (and odds are that price has not gone down, probably not
stayed the same, maybe increased a bit).....as opposed to the Corvair at
roughly the same price today, delivering 100HP....
But then it is 65HP to 100HP, and aircraft to auto conversion, so kind of
apples and oranges
;-)
On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 8:47 PM, Jack Phillips <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>wrote:
> pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
>
>
> For example, if you are leaning toward a certified engine, you are probably
> looking at an immediate outlay of expense in a lump sum, where building a
> corvair can be done piecemeal as you can afford it. An added benefit is
> that you built it, you know how it is put together, and can likely fix it
> when it needs maintenance (my opinion).
>
> Not necessarily true. I bought my Continental A65 as a box of parts, for
> $1500. Two years later I bought new Millenium cylinders for it. A year
> later I sent the crankshaft and the crankcase out for overhaul and bought a
> new camshaft. A year later I assembled everything. Total cost $7,500 for
> a
> zero time vertified aircraft engine - very little more than a full-up
> Corvair conversion with the fifth bearing.
>
> As Shelley said, the deciding factor should be the type of flying you
> expect
> to do and the terrain you will be flying over. Will you be flying out of
> short strips with tall trees? If so you may need more power and opt for a
> Corvair, or an O-200 or O-235.
>
> One thing to remember in choosing is how easy it may be to get service if
> you have a problem away from home. Most aircraft repair shops will not
> touch an auto engine conversion, so while you might be able to repair a
> Corvair or Ford very inexensively, you may not be able to repair it at all
> when on a trip.
>
> Jack Phillips
> NX899JP
> Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: need help deciding on powerplant |
It will be Spring of 2014 Ken. Kevin is doing really well, but I have military
obligations this spring that will have me out of the house for a month, and I
can't leave him to do it all alone. We also want to have a fuselage built to
put our engine on for the CC.
So pencil us in for March of 2014.
bickers.ken(at)gmail.com wrote:
> Shelley, I can't make it to Barnwell for the upcoming Corvair College,
> but will try my damndest to get to Austin for the one in the spring.
> Do you have dates, even tentative ones, yet for the Austin CC?
> Thanks, Ken
>
> On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 5:05 PM, IT Girl wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Here is the thing. Your power plant choice is really your own. You will
get strong opinions here from everyone, based on their personal choice. Bottom
line it is your decision. Talk with some of the guys about the flight characteristics
you need, and the geographic locations where you will do the most flying.
You will come to a decision about what powerplant is right for you, based
on your needs and your budget.
> >
> > For example, if you are leaning toward a certified engine, you are probably
looking at an immediate outlay of expense in a lump sum, where building a corvair
can be done piecemeal as you can afford it. An added benefit is that you
built it, you know how it is put together, and can likely fix it when it needs
maintenance (my opinion).
> >
> > Grace and William at FLycorvair will guide you through the process with the
corvair, but they will not guide you to any specific powerplant either.
> >
> > If you are able, please come to CC24 in Barnwell, SC. Many people come to
Corvair College to help make their decision about power plants. If you cant
make CC24, we will be hosting a Corvair College in Spring of 2014 in Austin, TX
> > Good luck.
> >
> > --------
> > Shelley Tumino
> > IT Girl
> > wife of "Axel"
> > NX899KP
> >
> > DO NOT ARCHIVE
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> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
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> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383196#383196
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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Shelley Tumino
IT Girl
wife of "Axel"
NX899KP
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| Subject: | Re: need help deciding on powerplant |
This is good stuff guys and girl. i just assumed the corvair was just as easy as
the cont s hand propping, but looks like maybe not so. The gradual emptying
of my wallet rather than dumping it all out at once, is something to think about.
even though i dont know much about either, i have done complete rebuilds of
auto engines in the past, so i think i could handle working on either one. the
cost of rebuilding the cont vs the corvair is pretty amazing. i'll obviously
be doing more research on my own to make a decision, but just these few responses
were very helpful. thank you ; Paul
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| Subject: | Re: need help deciding on powerplant |
What Gary said.
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Mark Chouinard
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