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1. 03:40 AM - Aircraft Log (John Francis)
2. 03:42 AM - Re: Aircraft Log (Jerry Dotson)
3. 04:48 AM - Re: Aircraft Log (Gary Boothe)
4. 05:02 AM - Re: Re: Update and tailskid operations (C N Campbell)
5. 05:14 AM - Re: Aircraft Log (jarheadpilot82)
6. 05:19 AM - Re: Re: Update and tailskid operations (Kip and Beth Gardner)
7. 05:28 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 09/15/12 (jarheadpilot82)
8. 05:29 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 09/15/12 (jarheadpilot82)
9. 07:09 AM - Re: Update and tailskid operations (bender)
10. 09:11 AM - cool vintage style wool coveralls (Oscar Zuniga)
11. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 09/15/12 (Ryan Mueller)
12. 10:42 AM - Re: Aircraft Log (Ryan Mueller)
13. 11:24 AM - Re: cool vintage style wool coveralls (taildrags)
14. 05:28 PM - Re: Jeff's external aileron cables (jarheadpilot82)
15. 05:49 PM - Re: Re: Jeff's external aileron cables (Brett Phillips)
16. 06:18 PM - Re: Jeff's external aileron cables (jarheadpilot82)
17. 06:35 PM - Re: Jeff's external aileron cables (DO NOT ARCHIVE)
18. 07:14 PM - Re: Re: Jeff's external aileron cables (Greg Cardinal)
19. 07:34 PM - Re: cool vintage style wool coveralls (Clif Dawson)
20. 08:38 PM - Re: Jeff's external aileron cables (taildrags)
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With mykitplane crashing and my log lost, I am looking for another log source that
is mac friendly. I was looking at facebook this morning and am considering
keeping my log there. Has anyone tried this?
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John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Log |
John I used a spiral wound notebook and a pencil.........no crashes.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
First flight June 16,2012
Started building July, 2009
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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John,
I put a few pictures on FB (OK, 89 to be exact) in an album for my plane.
That would be plenty to convince anyone that I built it, but so would a
collection of images in a 'folder' on your computer. One could easily design
a simple Excel sheet that would keep track of hours and dollars, too. Funny
thing is...my FAA inspector never even opened my photo album to view the
build pictures!! Nor was he interested in the stack of receipts; but that's
all it would take to satisfy the requirement of proving that you built it.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Francis
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 3:40 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aircraft Log
--> <Mrkringles@msn.com>
With mykitplane crashing and my log lost, I am looking for another log
source that is mac friendly. I was looking at facebook this morning and am
considering keeping my log there. Has anyone tried this?
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John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: Update and tailskid operations |
What's the problem with steerable tail wheels?
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----- Original Message -----
From: "bender" <jfaith@solairusaviation.com>
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 11:00 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Update and tailskid operations
> <jfaith@solairusaviation.com>
>
> Thanks... i do have brakes..
> i'm looking forward to taxiing it around to see how it goes..
> i have a wheel around but i'm hoping not to use it
> I wondered about the UHMW and if it would last at all
>
> i actually have a piece of an old tire screwed to the plate now..
> not sure it would last long at all but i thought i would try a couple of
> replaceable shoes and see if anything worked
>
> jeff
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383062#383062
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Log |
John,
If you really want to upload your build pictures and log, and you are a Mac user,
why not use iWeb, build a simple website and just have it hosted somewhere?
Then you have all the records on your hard drive, but have it online as well.
Just a thought. iWeb is not that hard to use. If you have questions, contact me
off-line, and I would be glad to help.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Update and tailskid operations |
POS (Purist Obsession Syndrome)? ;) BHP didn't use no stinkin'
steerable tailwheel! A good example of a tailwheel-free Piet is Frank
Pavliga's Sky Gypsy - just a steel skid. Works for him, but he only
flies off of grass (or snow, sometimes).
Do not archive
Kip Gardner
On Sep 17, 2012, at 8:02 AM, C N Campbell wrote:
> >
>
> What's the problem with steerable tail wheels?
> Do not archive
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "bender" <jfaith@solairusaviation.com
> >
> To: <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, September 14, 2012 11:00 AM
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Update and tailskid operations
>
>
>> >
>>
>> Thanks... i do have brakes..
>> i'm looking forward to taxiing it around to see how it goes..
>> i have a wheel around but i'm hoping not to use it
>> I wondered about the UHMW and if it would last at all
>>
>> i actually have a piece of an old tire screwed to the plate now..
>> not sure it would last long at all but i thought i would try a
>> couple of replaceable shoes and see if anything worked
>>
>> jeff
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383062#383062
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>>
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 09/15/12 |
Bruce,
I have copied the info below from the [url]FlyCorvair.com[/url] website-
"Subj: Insurance
I see on your Web site that you were talking with the Vice President and Chief
Technician of Falcon Insurance. I'm wondering how insurance companies are feeling
these days toward your Corvair conversion, and if you have a feel for what
kind of difference in rates a person might expect to pay, say comparing to an
O-200 installation? In my case we're talking about a Christavia Mk 1 installation.
I know it's probably depending a lot on the type of airframe and other factors,
but could you say anything at all regarding any progress made on the insurance
rate aspect of the Corvair?
Thanks! Mike Sharkey, Ontario, Canada
Reply from WW:
We've been in continuous contact with Falcon on this issue. Although it has been
reported that Falcon will not insure some types of automotive powered aircraft,
my understanding is that they look at it on a case by case basis. Several
Corvair builders, including Mark Jones (KR-2S tri-gear) and Randy Stout (Zenair
601HD tri-gear), have purchased insurance through Falcon for their aircraft.
I spent some time speaking in person with Bob Mackey, Falcon VP, at the LSA Expo
in Sebring, Fla. In several follow up phone calls, Bob quoted us a very reasonable
rate for our Corvair powered 601. The rate was not significantly different
than what we pay Falcon to insure Grace's 1946 Taylorcraft. Bob explained
that the primary component was the fact that both aircraft are taildraggers.
Tricycle geared aircraft owners could expect a lower rate. The policy came with
some small stipulations about time in type training that were more than reasonable.
If you're interested in insurance, I suggest you contact him directly
at EAA HQ for the straight scoop."
I realize that is an older post. I would recommend that you email William Wynne
and ask him directly about insurance options for Corvair powered aircraft. I
seem to recall he wrote recently that there is someone that insuring Corvair powered
aircraft fairly readily. I think he had a recent discussion about it on
his website, or on his blog at [url]FLyCorvair.net[/url]
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 09/15/12 |
Bruce,
I have copied the info below from the [url]FlyCorvair.com[/url] website-
"Subj: Insurance
I see on your Web site that you were talking with the Vice President and Chief
Technician of Falcon Insurance. I'm wondering how insurance companies are feeling
these days toward your Corvair conversion, and if you have a feel for what
kind of difference in rates a person might expect to pay, say comparing to an
O-200 installation? In my case we're talking about a Christavia Mk 1 installation.
I know it's probably depending a lot on the type of airframe and other factors,
but could you say anything at all regarding any progress made on the insurance
rate aspect of the Corvair?
Thanks! Mike Sharkey, Ontario, Canada
Reply from WW:
We've been in continuous contact with Falcon on this issue. Although it has been
reported that Falcon will not insure some types of automotive powered aircraft,
my understanding is that they look at it on a case by case basis. Several
Corvair builders, including Mark Jones (KR-2S tri-gear) and Randy Stout (Zenair
601HD tri-gear), have purchased insurance through Falcon for their aircraft.
I spent some time speaking in person with Bob Mackey, Falcon VP, at the LSA Expo
in Sebring, Fla. In several follow up phone calls, Bob quoted us a very reasonable
rate for our Corvair powered 601. The rate was not significantly different
than what we pay Falcon to insure Grace's 1946 Taylorcraft. Bob explained
that the primary component was the fact that both aircraft are taildraggers.
Tricycle geared aircraft owners could expect a lower rate. The policy came with
some small stipulations about time in type training that were more than reasonable.
If you're interested in insurance, I suggest you contact him directly
at EAA HQ for the straight scoop."
I realize that is an older post. I would recommend that you email William Wynne
and ask him directly about insurance options for Corvair powered aircraft. I
seem to recall he wrote recently that there is someone that insuring Corvair powered
aircraft fairly readily. I think he had a recent discussion about it on
his website, or on his blog at
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Update and tailskid operations |
for me it was just the weight and simplicity..
it does seem like it would be high on the coolness factor but weight that far
aft was the biggest thing
jeff
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| Subject: | cool vintage style wool coveralls |
I ordered, and received, a set of the military surplus coveralls that Douwe mentioned.
They are a very nice wool material, soft and smooth (not itchy), and as pointed
out,
they fit the period appearance very nicely. However, that's all that they fit
on me.
The problem seems to be that Italian military men are somewhat shorter from shoulders
to crotch than long-torso Americans, so while they fit me perfectly elsewhere,
they
are too short in the torso. I am about 5'-9" and weigh 154.
I am going to return these to Sportsman's Guide UNLESS there is someone out there
who
would like to have them and thinks they will fit. In that case, and since I have
to
pay return shipping for them anyway, I'll send them to any Pieter who would like
to
have them, no charge, my goodwill gesture for today. Let me know off-line, otherwise
they're going back in the mail to Sportsman's Guide in a day or two.
Oscar Zuniga
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
Medford, OR
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 18 Msgs - 09/15/12 |
Last I had heard, Falcon was fully insuring if you purchase a built engine
from William.....my understanding was that they would also insure an engine
built using his conversion method (i.e. owner built) without hassle. Best
bet is to call Falcon and explain the airframe/engine combo you are
considering, and see what they say. When I talked to them back around '09,
they told me no problem (for the Piet/owner built WW conversion combo)....
Ryan
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 7:28 AM, jarheadpilot82
<jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>wrote:
> jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>
> Bruce,
>
> I have copied the info below from the [url]FlyCorvair.com[/url] website-
>
> "Subj: Insurance
>
> Date: 2/2/05
>
> I see on your Web site that you were talking with the Vice President and
> Chief Technician of Falcon Insurance. I'm wondering how insurance companies
> are feeling these days toward your Corvair conversion, and if you have a
> feel for what kind of difference in rates a person might expect to pay, say
> comparing to an O-200 installation? In my case we're talking about a
> Christavia Mk 1 installation. I know it's probably depending a lot on the
> type of airframe and other factors, but could you say anything at all
> regarding any progress made on the insurance rate aspect of the Corvair?
>
> Thanks! Mike Sharkey, Ontario, Canada
>
> Reply from WW:
> We've been in continuous contact with Falcon on this issue. Although it
> has been reported that Falcon will not insure some types of automotive
> powered aircraft, my understanding is that they look at it on a case by
> case basis. Several Corvair builders, including Mark Jones (KR-2S tri-gear)
> and Randy Stout (Zenair 601HD tri-gear), have purchased insurance through
> Falcon for their aircraft. I spent some time speaking in person with Bob
> Mackey, Falcon VP, at the LSA Expo in Sebring, Fla. In several follow up
> phone calls, Bob quoted us a very reasonable rate for our Corvair powered
> 601. The rate was not significantly different than what we pay Falcon to
> insure Grace's 1946 Taylorcraft. Bob explained that the primary component
> was the fact that both aircraft are taildraggers. Tricycle geared aircraft
> owners could expect a lower rate. The policy came with some small
> stipulations about time in type training that were more than reasonable. If
> you're interested in insurance, I sugges!
> t you contact him directly at EAA HQ for the straight scoop."
>
> I realize that is an older post. I would recommend that you email William
> Wynne and ask him directly about insurance options for Corvair powered
> aircraft. I seem to recall he wrote recently that there is someone that
> insuring Corvair powered aircraft fairly readily. I think he had a recent
> discussion about it on his website, or on his blog at
> [url]FLyCorvair.net[/url]
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383297#383297
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Log |
You could setup a free blog at http://www.blogger.com. It's owned by
Google, so barring them completely discontinuing the service your data
should be safe. It's super simple to use, and if something was to happen
you can export your blog in XML format to move it elsewhere if need be....
On Mon, Sep 17, 2012 at 6:47 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> John,
>
> I put a few pictures on FB (OK, 89 to be exact) in an album for my plane.
> That would be plenty to convince anyone that I built it, but so would a
> collection of images in a 'folder' on your computer. One could easily
> design
> a simple Excel sheet that would keep track of hours and dollars, too. Funny
> thing is...my FAA inspector never even opened my photo album to view the
> build pictures!! Nor was he interested in the stack of receipts; but that's
> all it would take to satisfy the requirement of proving that you built it.
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John
> Francis
> Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 3:40 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Aircraft Log
>
> --> <Mrkringles@msn.com>
>
> With mykitplane crashing and my log lost, I am looking for another log
> source that is mac friendly. I was looking at facebook this morning and am
> considering keeping my log there. Has anyone tried this?
>
> --------
> John Francis
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383289#383289
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: cool vintage style wool coveralls |
We have a winner! I'll be sending the coveralls to another lucky Piet lister to
try on ;o)
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford/Ashland, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Jeff's external aileron cables |
Jeff,
I could not find the diagram in the '32 manual of the aileron cable setup as you
used . I did see it in the 1933 Manual on the Sky Scout. I see that the flight
control cable connections in the cockpit are slightly different without the
horn as is normally used. What I can't quite figure is the geometry of the cable
between the upper portion of the aileron horns. Does the cable go underneath
the skin of the wings as they do in the flight controls that most guys do,
or do they run above the skin and across the trailing edge of the wing? A picture
would probably answer all of my questions.
I hope that I am not asking a dumb question. I just can't see it in my "mind's
eye" as they say. Thanks for your response.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Jeff's external aileron cables |
The early style aileron system runs the inter-aileron cable forward from the upper
aileron horn to a pulley, then between some wooden fairleads to identical
components and connections on the opposite side. This is all external to the wing,
so you can think of it either as a clothesline, or as an upper Midwestern
version of vortex generation...
Brett Phillips
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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| Subject: | Re: Jeff's external aileron cables |
Thanks Brett for the explanation. I thought that might be the case, but I appreciate
the clarification, nonetheless. Makes inspecting the cables a lot easier,
but I wonder what effect the elements has on the condition of the cable over
time.
If anyone has a picture of the setup, that would be nice to see.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Jeff's external aileron cables |
I doubt that the elements affect that cable much differently than any of the other
cables that are out in the breeze on these airplanes. I will say that the
early style aileron system does clutter up the cockpit floor somewhat, and it
is easy for the uninitiated to step on the cables when climbing into or out of
the airplane. Ours has the early style ailerons, and the system works fine
once you are used to it and know where you can and can't put your feet. There
are some good reasons that Mr Pietenpol referred to the later ships as "Improved"
Air Campers. The aileron control system is one of those improvements.
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Brett Phillips
PLEASE DO NOT ARCHIVE!
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| Subject: | Re: Jeff's external aileron cables |
Terry,
Check out Walt Bowe's pictures here:
http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Walt%20Bowe/pictures.htm
He has external aileron cables.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "jarheadpilot82" <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
Sent: Monday, September 17, 2012 7:28 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeff's external aileron cables
> <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>
> Jeff,
>
> I could not find the diagram in the '32 manual of the aileron cable setup
> as you used . I did see it in the 1933 Manual on the Sky Scout. I see that
> the flight control cable connections in the cockpit are slightly different
> without the horn as is normally used. What I can't quite figure is the
> geometry of the cable between the upper portion of the aileron horns. Does
> the cable go underneath the skin of the wings as they do in the flight
> controls that most guys do, or do they run above the skin and across the
> trailing edge of the wing? A picture would probably answer all of my
> questions.
>
> I hope that I am not asking a dumb question. I just can't see it in my
> "mind's eye" as they say. Thanks for your response.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383366#383366
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: cool vintage style wool coveralls |
I bought them too. I'm now 5' 7" with 29" leg.
They JUST fit. So there's some kind of
benchmark for you.
Clif
I will beg you for advice, your reply will be concise,
and I will listen very nicely and then go out and do
exactly what I want
>
>
> I ordered, and received, a set of the military surplus coveralls that
> Douwe mentioned.
> They are a very nice wool material, soft and smooth (not itchy), and as
> pointed out,
> they fit the period appearance very nicely. However, that's all that they
> fit on me.
> The problem seems to be that Italian military men are somewhat shorter
> from shoulders
> to crotch than long-torso Americans, so while they fit me perfectly
> elsewhere, they
> are too short in the torso. I am about 5'-9" and weigh 154.
> I am going to return these to Sportsman's Guide UNLESS there is someone
> out there who
> would like to have them and thinks they will fit. In that case, and since
> I have to
> pay return shipping for them anyway, I'll send them to any Pieter who
> would like to
> have them, no charge, my goodwill gesture for today. Let me know
> off-line, otherwise
> they're going back in the mail to Sportsman's Guide in a day or two.
> Oscar Zuniga
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> Medford, OR
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| Subject: | Re: Jeff's external aileron cables |
Yeah, and Walt also has an adjustable leading edge on his vertical stabilizer.
It's in one of the photos. Man, is Westcoastpiet a gold mine of graphical information!
It's the "Tony Bingelis" of the Piet photo world ;o)
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford/Ashland, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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