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1. 04:20 AM - Re: Re: Jeff's external aileron cables (Jim Markle)
2. 04:58 AM - Re: Jeff's external aileron cables (jarheadpilot82)
3. 06:26 AM - NAS3 Assembly Bolts (Michael Perez)
4. 06:37 AM - Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts (SENTUCHOWS@aol.com)
5. 06:43 AM - Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts (Gene Rambo)
6. 06:52 AM - Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts (Michael Perez)
7. 07:00 AM - Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts (C N Campbell)
8. 07:03 AM - Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts (Gene Rambo)
9. 07:20 AM - Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts (Michael Perez)
10. 07:40 AM - Re: Jeff's external aileron cables (bender)
11. 07:48 AM - Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts (Gene Rambo)
12. 08:07 AM - Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts (Michael Perez)
13. 08:21 AM - Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts (helspersew@aol.com)
14. 08:36 AM - Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts (Jerry Dotson)
15. 09:05 AM - Re: Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts (airlion)
16. 09:14 AM - Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts (Michael Perez)
17. 10:52 AM - Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts (Ryan Mueller)
18. 11:09 AM - Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts (Gene Rambo)
19. 11:17 AM - Re: Jeff's external aileron cables (namrednos)
20. 03:15 PM - Moontown Fly In Fun (Frank Metcalfe)
21. 04:01 PM - Re: Moontown Fly In Fun (airlion)
22. 06:45 PM - Re: Moontown Fly In Fun (Jim Boyer)
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| Subject: | Re: Jeff's external aileron cables |
I agree, Chris' site and tireless efforts have been invaluable.
Having enjoyed his company on more than one of my Sacramento business trips, I
personally will not rest until we ALL have the pleasure of his presence at Brodhead....
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>From: taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com>
>Sent: Sep 17, 2012 10:38 PM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeff's external aileron cables
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>Yeah, and Walt also has an adjustable leading edge on his vertical stabilizer.
It's in one of the photos. Man, is Westcoastpiet a gold mine of graphical information!
It's the "Tony Bingelis" of the Piet photo world ;o)
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>Oscar Zuniga
>Medford/Ashland, OR
>Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
>A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: Jeff's external aileron cables |
Greg,
Thanks for the direction to westcoastpiet.com. I am not sure that I want to do
my flight controls that way, but it is VERY interesting to see that design.
I agree that the website has really helped a guy like me see how different areas
of construction really look. Sometimes you need more than just the plans. At
least I do.
Oscar, you are a master of the language. "The Tony Bingelis of the Piet PHoto World".
An amazing, and quite apt description.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | NAS3 Assembly Bolts |
My carburetor does not have drilled head bolts (6) that attach the two body
halves together. Can I- use non-drilled bolts with lock washers? (AND th
read lock?) Or is safety wire required here?
Michael Perez
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| Subject: | Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts |
I bought fillister head bolts with a drilled head. If you wish you can find
them in A.S. cataloge.
Dave
In a message dated 9/18/2012 9:29:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
speedbrake@sbcglobal.net writes:
My carburetor does not have drilled head bolts (6) that attach the two
body halves together. Can I use non-drilled bolts with lock washers? (AND
thread lock?) Or is safety wire required here?
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List)
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| Subject: | Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts |
Many carburetors use metal tab washers on these screws/bolts. A couple of fi
ngers bend down over the edge of the bowl and the others bend up on the bolt
flats. These are included in a carb overhaul kit.
On Sep 18, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> My carburetor does not have drilled head bolts (6) that attach the two bod
y halves together. Can I use non-drilled bolts with lock washers? (AND thre
ad lock?) Or is safety wire required here?
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> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts |
I have the overhaul kit from Fresno, (doing final assembly now) ...no such
washers were included.-
I ask because I have un-drilled bolts and lock washers, but if the drilled
with safety wire are required, I'll get some.
Michael Perez
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| Subject: | Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts |
Michael, check McMaster Carr. They have drilled-head bolts. Don't know
if they would work for your application -- I'm using some of them to
attach the oil pan to the bottom of my Corvair engine. Chuck
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From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 9:26 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: NAS3 Assembly Bolts
My carburetor does not have drilled head bolts (6) that attach
the two body halves together. Can I use non-drilled bolts with lock
washers? (AND thread lock?) Or is safety wire required here?
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts |
Not sure I've ever seen only lock washers. Always seen safety wire (old styl
e) or the washers I described. What does parts book show??
On Sep 18, 2012, at 9:51 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> I have the overhaul kit from Fresno, (doing final assembly now) ...no such
washers were included.
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> I ask because I have un-drilled bolts and lock washers, but if the drilled
with safety wire are required, I'll get some.
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> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts |
Getting bolts/washers, etc. is not the issue. I am asking if any other fast
ener is OK.
Gene, the manual calls out- (41) screw-machine and (42) washer. No mentio
n on drilled or not. The picture LOOKS to be un-drilled.
Michael Perez
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| Subject: | Re: Jeff's external aileron cables |
Hey Terry..
you're right about the lack of detail on the F&G manual... some of the plane is
explained better on the '33 scout drawings... between those two magazines and
photos on the west coast piet site i put it together..
cables inspections will be easy but they are just under your knees in the cockpit
and you have to put your feet in the right places climbing in and out
hoping to taxi soon
jeff
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| Subject: | Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts |
Go with the parts book then. Sounds like lock washer is ok.
On Sep 18, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wrote
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> Getting bolts/washers, etc. is not the issue. I am asking if any other fas
tener is OK.
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> Gene, the manual calls out (41) screw-machine and (42) washer. No mention
on drilled or not. The picture LOOKS to be un-drilled.
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> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts |
The very few carbs. I have seen on flying AC have been safety wired. The carb.
with my engine was not. (non drilled heads) So, I thought I would ask what other
alternatives are acceptable. If this carb. had flown as is, someone at some
point must have given it the OK.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts |
Yea, until they work loose............
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
Sent: Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:48 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NAS3 Assembly Bolts
Go with the parts book then. Sounds like lock washer is ok.
On Sep 18, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net> wrot
e:
Getting bolts/washers, etc. is not the issue. I am asking if any other fast
ener is OK.
Gene, the manual calls out (41) screw-machine and (42) washer. No mention
on drilled or not. The picture LOOKS to be un-drilled.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts |
If you have a drill press just cross drill the head with a 1/16" bit.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
First flight June 16,2012
Started building July, 2009
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts |
you might a few extra drill bits tho. gardiner
----- Original Message ----
From: Jerry Dotson <jdotson@centurylink.net>
Sent: Tue, September 18, 2012 11:36:33 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts
If you have a drill press just cross drill the head with a 1/16" bit.
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
First flight June 16,2012
Started building July, 2009
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts |
Thanks for the input guys. I'll go the safety wire way, although I am still curious
if other fasteners are acceptable.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts |
I would say what the approved data says (the manual) is acceptable. Since
it calls out a washer underneath the screw, and not a lock washer, then the
screw has to be safetied somehow....hence safety wire....
On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> Thanks for the input guys. I'll go the safety wire way, although I am
> still curious if other fasteners are acceptable.
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> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
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| Subject: | Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts |
Nothing he stated indicated it was not a lock washer
On Sep 18, 2012, at 1:52 PM, Ryan Mueller <ryan@rmueller.org> wrote:
> I would say what the approved data says (the manual) is acceptable. Since i
t calls out a washer underneath the screw, and not a lock washer, then the s
crew has to be safetied somehow....hence safety wire....
>
> On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> Thanks for the input guys. I'll go the safety wire way, although I am stil
l curious if other fasteners are acceptable.
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| Subject: | Re: Jeff's external aileron cables |
Jeff, if you get a chance take some pictures of the control cables inside the plane
under your feet.
Thanks
Scott in Independence, KY
tables made,
18 ribs complete
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| Subject: | Moontown Fly In Fun |
Finely I got to get the Piet to a fly In First on since the tornad
o hit it ant Sun-N-Fun 2011. Its been back in the air for a while but first
time I had the time to get her out. Weather stopped me from getting to Tri
ple Tree. Great day of flying to and back from Moontown..
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| Subject: | Re: Moontown Fly In Fun |
Looks great Frank..Congratulations. Gardiner
--- On Tue, 9/18/12, Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Moontown Fly In Fun
Finely I got to get the Piet to a fly In First on since the tornad
o hit it ant Sun-N-Fun 2011. Its been back in the air for a while but first
time I had the time to get her out. Weather stopped me from getting to Tri
ple Tree. Great day of flying to and back from Moontown..
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| Subject: | Re: Moontown Fly In Fun |
Congratulations Frank; its nice to see you have it flying again. Your Piet is a
very good looking and I like the air shot.
Jim B.
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