---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/18/12: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:20 AM - Re: Re: Jeff's external aileron cables (Jim Markle) 2. 04:58 AM - Re: Jeff's external aileron cables (jarheadpilot82) 3. 06:26 AM - NAS3 Assembly Bolts (Michael Perez) 4. 06:37 AM - Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts (SENTUCHOWS@aol.com) 5. 06:43 AM - Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts (Gene Rambo) 6. 06:52 AM - Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts (Michael Perez) 7. 07:00 AM - Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts (C N Campbell) 8. 07:03 AM - Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts (Gene Rambo) 9. 07:20 AM - Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts (Michael Perez) 10. 07:40 AM - Re: Jeff's external aileron cables (bender) 11. 07:48 AM - Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts (Gene Rambo) 12. 08:07 AM - Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts (Michael Perez) 13. 08:21 AM - Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts (helspersew@aol.com) 14. 08:36 AM - Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts (Jerry Dotson) 15. 09:05 AM - Re: Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts (airlion) 16. 09:14 AM - Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts (Michael Perez) 17. 10:52 AM - Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts (Ryan Mueller) 18. 11:09 AM - Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts (Gene Rambo) 19. 11:17 AM - Re: Jeff's external aileron cables (namrednos) 20. 03:15 PM - Moontown Fly In Fun (Frank Metcalfe) 21. 04:01 PM - Re: Moontown Fly In Fun (airlion) 22. 06:45 PM - Re: Moontown Fly In Fun (Jim Boyer) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:20:21 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeff's external aileron cables I agree, Chris' site and tireless efforts have been invaluable. Having enjoyed his company on more than one of my Sacramento business trips, I personally will not rest until we ALL have the pleasure of his presence at Brodhead.... -----Original Message----- >From: taildrags >Sent: Sep 17, 2012 10:38 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeff's external aileron cables > > >Yeah, and Walt also has an adjustable leading edge on his vertical stabilizer. It's in one of the photos. Man, is Westcoastpiet a gold mine of graphical information! It's the "Tony Bingelis" of the Piet photo world ;o) > >-------- >Oscar Zuniga >Medford/Ashland, OR >Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" >A75 power > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383381#383381 > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:58:52 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeff's external aileron cables From: "jarheadpilot82" Greg, Thanks for the direction to westcoastpiet.com. I am not sure that I want to do my flight controls that way, but it is VERY interesting to see that design. I agree that the website has really helped a guy like me see how different areas of construction really look. Sometimes you need more than just the plans. At least I do. Oscar, you are a master of the language. "The Tony Bingelis of the Piet PHoto World". An amazing, and quite apt description. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383394#383394 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:26:31 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: NAS3 Assembly Bolts My carburetor does not have drilled head bolts (6) that attach the two body halves together. Can I- use non-drilled bolts with lock washers? (AND th read lock?) Or is safety wire required here? Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:17 AM PST US From: SENTUCHOWS@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NAS3 Assembly Bolts I bought fillister head bolts with a drilled head. If you wish you can find them in A.S. cataloge. Dave In a message dated 9/18/2012 9:29:41 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, speedbrake@sbcglobal.net writes: My carburetor does not have drilled head bolts (6) that attach the two body halves together. Can I use non-drilled bolts with lock washers? (AND thread lock?) Or is safety wire required here? Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:40 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NAS3 Assembly Bolts From: Gene Rambo Many carburetors use metal tab washers on these screws/bolts. A couple of fi ngers bend down over the edge of the bowl and the others bend up on the bolt flats. These are included in a carb overhaul kit. On Sep 18, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > My carburetor does not have drilled head bolts (6) that attach the two bod y halves together. Can I use non-drilled bolts with lock washers? (AND thre ad lock?) Or is safety wire required here? > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:08 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NAS3 Assembly Bolts I have the overhaul kit from Fresno, (doing final assembly now) ...no such washers were included.- I ask because I have un-drilled bolts and lock washers, but if the drilled with safety wire are required, I'll get some. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com =0A ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:47 AM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NAS3 Assembly Bolts Michael, check McMaster Carr. They have drilled-head bolts. Don't know if they would work for your application -- I'm using some of them to attach the oil pan to the bottom of my Corvair engine. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Perez To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2012 9:26 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: NAS3 Assembly Bolts My carburetor does not have drilled head bolts (6) that attach the two body halves together. Can I use non-drilled bolts with lock washers? (AND thread lock?) Or is safety wire required here? Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:03:30 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NAS3 Assembly Bolts From: Gene Rambo Not sure I've ever seen only lock washers. Always seen safety wire (old styl e) or the washers I described. What does parts book show?? On Sep 18, 2012, at 9:51 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > I have the overhaul kit from Fresno, (doing final assembly now) ...no such washers were included. > > I ask because I have un-drilled bolts and lock washers, but if the drilled with safety wire are required, I'll get some. > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:20:21 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NAS3 Assembly Bolts Getting bolts/washers, etc. is not the issue. I am asking if any other fast ener is OK. Gene, the manual calls out- (41) screw-machine and (42) washer. No mentio n on drilled or not. The picture LOOKS to be un-drilled. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com =0A ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:40:16 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeff's external aileron cables From: "bender" Hey Terry.. you're right about the lack of detail on the F&G manual... some of the plane is explained better on the '33 scout drawings... between those two magazines and photos on the west coast piet site i put it together.. cables inspections will be easy but they are just under your knees in the cockpit and you have to put your feet in the right places climbing in and out hoping to taxi soon jeff Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383414#383414 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:37 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NAS3 Assembly Bolts From: Gene Rambo Go with the parts book then. Sounds like lock washer is ok. On Sep 18, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Michael Perez wrote : > Getting bolts/washers, etc. is not the issue. I am asking if any other fas tener is OK. > > Gene, the manual calls out (41) screw-machine and (42) washer. No mention on drilled or not. The picture LOOKS to be un-drilled. > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:31 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NAS3 Assembly Bolts The very few carbs. I have seen on flying AC have been safety wired. The carb. with my engine was not. (non drilled heads) So, I thought I would ask what other alternatives are acceptable. If this carb. had flown as is, someone at some point must have given it the OK. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:21:30 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NAS3 Assembly Bolts From: helspersew@aol.com Yea, until they work loose............ Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Gene Rambo Sent: Tue, Sep 18, 2012 9:48 am Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NAS3 Assembly Bolts Go with the parts book then. Sounds like lock washer is ok. On Sep 18, 2012, at 10:20 AM, Michael Perez wrot e: Getting bolts/washers, etc. is not the issue. I am asking if any other fast ener is OK. Gene, the manual calls out (41) screw-machine and (42) washer. No mention on drilled or not. The picture LOOKS to be un-drilled. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:36:12 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts From: "Jerry Dotson" If you have a drill press just cross drill the head with a 1/16" bit. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 First flight June 16,2012 Started building July, 2009 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383419#383419 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:34 AM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts you might a few extra drill bits tho. gardiner ----- Original Message ---- From: Jerry Dotson Sent: Tue, September 18, 2012 11:36:33 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: NAS3 Assembly Bolts If you have a drill press just cross drill the head with a 1/16" bit. -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 First flight June 16,2012 Started building July, 2009 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383419#383419 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:14:48 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NAS3 Assembly Bolts Thanks for the input guys. I'll go the safety wire way, although I am still curious if other fasteners are acceptable. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:52:49 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NAS3 Assembly Bolts From: Ryan Mueller I would say what the approved data says (the manual) is acceptable. Since it calls out a washer underneath the screw, and not a lock washer, then the screw has to be safetied somehow....hence safety wire.... On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > Thanks for the input guys. I'll go the safety wire way, although I am > still curious if other fasteners are acceptable. > > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > ** > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:09:08 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: NAS3 Assembly Bolts From: Gene Rambo Nothing he stated indicated it was not a lock washer On Sep 18, 2012, at 1:52 PM, Ryan Mueller wrote: > I would say what the approved data says (the manual) is acceptable. Since i t calls out a washer underneath the screw, and not a lock washer, then the s crew has to be safetied somehow....hence safety wire.... > > On Tue, Sep 18, 2012 at 11:14 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > Thanks for the input guys. I'll go the safety wire way, although I am stil l curious if other fasteners are acceptable. > > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 11:17:30 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Jeff's external aileron cables From: "namrednos" Jeff, if you get a chance take some pictures of the control cables inside the plane under your feet. Thanks Scott in Independence, KY tables made, 18 ribs complete -------- Scott Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=383445#383445 ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:15:07 PM PST US From: Frank Metcalfe Subject: Pietenpol-List: Moontown Fly In Fun Finely I got to get the Piet to a fly In First on since the tornad o hit it ant Sun-N-Fun 2011. Its been back in the air for a while but first time I had the time to get her out. Weather stopped me from getting to Tri ple Tree. Great day of flying to and back from Moontown.. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:01:28 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Moontown Fly In Fun Looks great Frank..Congratulations. Gardiner --- On Tue, 9/18/12, Frank Metcalfe wrote: From: Frank Metcalfe Subject: Pietenpol-List: Moontown Fly In Fun Finely I got to get the Piet to a fly In First on since the tornad o hit it ant Sun-N-Fun 2011. Its been back in the air for a while but first time I had the time to get her out. Weather stopped me from getting to Tri ple Tree. Great day of flying to and back from Moontown.. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:45:04 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Moontown Fly In Fun Congratulations Frank; its nice to see you have it flying again. Your Piet is a very good looking and I like the air shot. 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