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1. 05:09 AM - Re: Nice weekend (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 05:42 AM - Re: Nice weekend (Greg Bacon)
3. 05:55 AM - Re: Nice weekend (TOM STINEMETZE)
4. 05:55 AM - Re: Nice weekend (TOM STINEMETZE)
5. 06:02 AM - Re: Nice weekend (Amsafetyc)
6. 06:06 AM - rib lacing cord - round vs flat (Greg Bacon)
7. 06:18 AM - Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat (Jim Markle)
8. 06:20 AM - Correction: pn 09-03810. rib lacing cord - round vs flat (Jim Markle)
9. 06:21 AM - Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat (kevinpurtee)
10. 06:28 AM - Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat (Jack Phillips)
11. 06:29 AM - Re: Nice weekend (Jim Markle)
12. 06:32 AM - Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat (TOM STINEMETZE)
13. 06:39 AM - Re: Re: EAA Calendar photo (brian.e.jardine@l-3com.com)
14. 06:48 AM - Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat (Rick Schreiber)
15. 07:29 AM - Re: Nice weekend (Jim Boyer)
16. 08:55 AM - Notes on FBG Post-Accident Repair & Recovery (kevinpurtee)
17. 09:14 AM - Re: Notes on FBG Post-Accident Repair & Recovery (gboothe5@comcast.net)
18. 09:28 AM - Re: Nice weekend (gboothe5@comcast.net)
19. 09:47 AM - Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat (Michael Perez)
20. 10:53 AM - Re: Notes on FBG Post-Accident Repair & Recovery (K5YAC)
21. 11:35 AM - Re: Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat (helspersew@aol.com)
22. 11:57 AM - Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat (C N Campbell)
23. 01:42 PM - Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat (Frank Metcalfe)
24. 02:00 PM - Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat (helspersew@aol.com)
25. 02:05 PM - Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat (Frank Metcalfe)
26. 02:25 PM - Re: Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat (gboothe5@comcast.net)
27. 03:11 PM - Re: Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat (helspersew@aol.com)
28. 03:15 PM - Fly-in this weekend in PA (gliderx5@comcast.net)
29. 04:12 PM - Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat (tools)
30. 04:19 PM - Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat (gabenner)
31. 05:37 PM - Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat (Jerry Dotson)
32. 05:55 PM - Re: Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat (Gene Rambo)
33. 06:57 PM - Re: Re: EAA Calendar photo (dog67@aol.com)
34. 07:39 PM - Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat (Greg Bacon)
35. 07:45 PM - Re: Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat (Greg Bacon)
36. 08:21 PM - Re: Notes on FBG Post-Accident Repair & Recovery (taildrags)
37. 09:31 PM - Re: EAA Calendar photo (taildrags)
38. 11:01 PM - Official Pietenpol-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
39. 11:06 PM - Official Pietenpol-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
40. 11:44 PM - Re: EAA Calendar photo (jarheadpilot82)
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Subject: | Re: Nice weekend |
MAN! I GOT to try this!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Cardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net>
Sent: Sun, Sep 30, 2012 9:59 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nice weekend
The weather was beautiful in Minnesota this weekend. With the help of fello
w Piet pilots Bob Poore and Norm Tesmar we introduced a group from the Alph
a Gamma Delta sorority at the Univ. of Minnesota to the joys of Pietenpol f
lying.
Greg Cardinal
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Subject: | Re: Nice weekend |
Greg - You are living right!
Thanks for sharing the pic.
Greg Bacon
On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Greg Cardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net>wrote:
> **
> The weather was beautiful in Minnesota this weekend. With the help of
> fellow Piet pilots Bob Poore and Norm Tesmar we introduced a group from the
> Alpha Gamma Delta sorority at the Univ. of Minnesota to the joys of
> Pietenpol flying.
>
> Greg Cardinal
>
--
Greg Bacon
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Subject: | Re: Nice weekend |
Way to take one for the team, Greg.
Tom Stinemetze
do not archive
>>> "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal@comcast.net> 9/30/2012 9:59 PM >>>
The weather was beautiful in Minnesota this weekend. With the help of fellow Piet
pilots Bob Poore and Norm Tesmar we introduced a group from the Alpha Gamma
Delta sorority at the Univ. of Minnesota to the joys of Pietenpol flying.
Greg Cardinal
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Subject: | Re: Nice weekend |
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Subject: | Re: Nice weekend |
Is that the November picture?
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 1, 2012, at 8:42 AM, Greg Bacon <gbacon67@gmail.com> wrote:
> Greg - You are living right!
>
> Thanks for sharing the pic.
>
> Greg Bacon
>
>
>
> On Sun, Sep 30, 2012 at 9:59 PM, Greg Cardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net> wro
te:
>> The weather was beautiful in Minnesota this weekend. With the help of fel
low Piet pilots Bob Poore and Norm Tesmar we introduced a group from the Alp
ha Gamma Delta sorority at the Univ. of Minnesota to the joys of Pietenpol f
lying.
>>
>> Greg Cardinal
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> --
> Greg Bacon
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Subject: | rib lacing cord - round vs flat |
Hey folks! This weekend I finished the final shrink on the wing fabric and
began rib stitching. Arbitrarily, I chose to use round rib lacing cord.
The cord seems to be prone to twisting, making it difficult
(frustrating!!) to dress the knots properly. The thick waxy coating also
makes it sticky to handle.
Is the flat cord easier to handle? What did you guys use?
Thanks.
--
Greg Bacon
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Subject: | Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat |
Flat. Pn 09-03818 from AIrcraft Spruce.....
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Bacon
Sent: Oct 1, 2012 9:06 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: rib lacing cord - round vs flat
Hey folks! This weekend I finished the final shrink on the wing fabric and began
rib stitching. Arbitrarily, I chose to use round rib lacing cord. The cord
seems to be prone to twisting, making it difficult (frustrating!!) to dress
the knots properly. The thick waxy coating also makes it sticky to handle.
Is the flat cord easier to handle? What did you guys use?
Thanks.
--
Greg Bacon
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Subject: | rib lacing cord - round vs |
flat
-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
>Sent: Oct 1, 2012 9:18 AM
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rib lacing cord - round vs flat
>
>Flat. Pn 09-03818 from AIrcraft Spruce.....
>
>-----Original Message-----
>
>From: Greg Bacon
>
>Sent: Oct 1, 2012 9:06 AM
>
>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>Subject: Pietenpol-List: rib lacing cord - round vs flat
>
>
>Hey folks! This weekend I finished the final shrink on the wing fabric and began
rib stitching. Arbitrarily, I chose to use round rib lacing cord. The cord
seems to be prone to twisting, making it difficult (frustrating!!) to dress
the knots properly. The thick waxy coating also makes it sticky to handle.
>
>Is the flat cord easier to handle? What did you guys use?
>Thanks.
>
>--
>Greg Bacon
>
>
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Subject: | Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat |
Greg - I used round and didn't find it particularly difficult to work with with
some practice. Have never used the flat cord but I'm guessing it would not be
easier and you'd have to make sure there were no twists where it showed on the
outside. Others who have used it will correct me as necessary, of course.
Congratulations on getting to that step in your process. I found it took me about
an hour per rib & I used duct tape on my pinky to keep from bleeding.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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Subject: | rib lacing cord - round vs flat |
I used the round riblacing cord. Didn't find any particular problem with it
twistinig, but I didn't use very long lengths - maybe 6' at a time
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Bacon
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 9:06 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: rib lacing cord - round vs flat
Hey folks! This weekend I finished the final shrink on the wing fabric and
began rib stitching. Arbitrarily, I chose to use round rib lacing cord.
The cord seems to be prone to twisting, making it difficult (frustrating!!)
to dress the knots properly. The thick waxy coating also makes it sticky to
handle.
Is the flat cord easier to handle? What did you guys use?
Thanks.
--
Greg Bacon
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Subject: | Re: Nice weekend |
And I thought all those "first Pietenpol flight" messages were motivating!!
I'm going to the shop......
----Original Message-----
From: Greg Cardinal
Sent: Sep 30, 2012 10:59 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nice weekend
The weather was beautiful in Minnesota this weekend. With the help of
fellow Piet pilots Bob Poore and Norm Tesmar we introduced a group from the
Alpha Gamma Delta sorority at the Univ. of Minnesota to the joys of Pietenpol
flying.
Greg Cardinal
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Subject: | Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat |
Greg: When I took the EAA Sportair Workshop on fabric covering they let us try
both the round and the flat cord just to see which we liked best. Out of a class
of 25, as I recall, we all chose the flat as easier to work with. One of
the benefits is that the flat surface is a little easier on your fingers but
you still needed some finger protection after working for a while. The part of
your finger needing protection is the part where the string rubs when you pull
the knots tight.
Stinemetze
>>> "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> 10/1/2012 8:21 AM >>>
Greg - I used round and didn't find it particularly difficult to work with with
some practice. Have never used the flat cord but I'm guessing it would not be
easier and you'd have to make sure there were no twists where it showed on the
outside. Others who have used it will correct me as necessary, of course.
Congratulations on getting to that step in your process. I found it took me about
an hour per rib & I used duct tape on my pinky to keep from bleeding.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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Subject: | Re: EAA Calendar photo |
Oscar,
He is the one and the same....Photographer and Doctor. He used to work
with my wife in the ER at Lakeview Hospital here in Utah. He lives
Colorado now. His father has a hangar at our little Skypark airport just
North of SLC.
Brian
SLC-UT
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
taildrags
Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 9:41 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: EAA Calendar photo
--> <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Gorgeous airplane, superb photography. Speaking of which, can anyone
confirm that "our" Jon Apfelbaum (the fellow who shot the photo of Dan
and his plane) is the same Jon Apfelbaum who shot the photos that the
FAA and NTSB used to positively determine the sequence of events leading
up to the fateful crash of Jimmy Leeward's P-51, "Galloping Ghost", at
Reno?
I've seen parts of the report and analysis and the reconstruction and
analysis are very, very detailed. Some of the key elements of the
analysis were founded on a series of photos of the airplane as it
rolled. The photos showed the elevator trim tab as it fluttered and
detached. They also showed Leeward apparently slumped in the cockpit.
The photos were credited to Jonathan Apfelbaum.
If it's the same Jon Apfelbaum, then it's Dr. Jon Apfelbaum, emergency
room physician, who was one of the first medical responders at the site
of the crash. You just don't read about those types of actions in the
news or on TV.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford/Ashland, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat |
On 10/1/2012 8:06 AM, Greg Bacon wrote:
> Hey folks! This weekend I finished the final shrink on the wing
> fabric and began rib stitching. Arbitrarily, I chose to use round rib
> lacing cord. The cord seems to be prone to twisting, making it
> difficult (frustrating!!) to dress the knots properly. The thick waxy
> coating also makes it sticky to handle.
>
> Is the flat cord easier to handle? What did you guys use?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Greg Bacon
>
>
Greg,
I used round cord also. As Kevin stated, the twisting issue goes away
with a little practice. I just made sure my final loop was small before
I pulled the knot tight. For finger protection I used Johnson &
Johnson's adhesive tape. I used the newer easier to tear tape. Getting
help during the heat wave we had this summer was difficult, so most of
the time I just rib stitched by myself. The hardest part was keeping
clear of the the full length cord when I started a run.
Rick Schreiber
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Subject: | Re: Nice weekend |
Way to go Greg; someone has to take responsibility for introducing young people
to Piet open cockpit flying! Keep up the good work.
Cheers,
Jim B.
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Subject: | Notes on FBG Post-Accident Repair & Recovery |
I have destructively tested my glue joints and woodwork. They're outstanding.
If you listen to me on nothing else, listen to me on that subject.
My welding's turned out to be pretty darn good, too, in spite of evidence to the
contrary:).
I apologize for using an attachment but that was the best way to effectively format
the information.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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Subject: | Re: Notes on FBG Post-Accident Repair & Recovery |
Some can fling it farther...some can fling it higher...but, making it stick, that's
the key!
Gary from Cool
------Original Message------
From: Kevin Purtee
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Notes on FBG Post-Accident Repair & Recovery
Sent: Oct 1, 2012 8:55 AM
I have destructively tested my glue joints and woodwork. They're outstanding.
If you listen to me on nothing else, listen to me on that subject.
My welding's turned out to be pretty darn good, too, in spite of evidence to the
contrary:).
I apologize for using an attachment but that was the best way to effectively format
the information.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384388#384388
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Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry
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Subject: | Re: Nice weekend |
------Original Message------
From: Jim Markle
Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Nice weekend
Sent: Oct 1, 2012 6:29 AM
And I thought all those "first Pietenpol flight" messages were motivating!!
I'm going to the shop......
----Original Message-----
From: Greg Cardinal
Sent: Sep 30, 2012 10:59 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Nice weekend
The weather was beautiful in Minnesota this weekend. With the help of
fellow Piet pilots Bob Poore and Norm Tesmar we introduced a group from the
Alpha Gamma Delta sorority at the Univ. of Minnesota to the joys of Pietenpol
flying.
Greg Cardinal
Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry
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Subject: | Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat |
I have no experience with the round cord, as I stitched with the flat. When it
came time to put down the finish tape, I noticed a few stitches did in fact twist.
Not wanting to cut and re-do the stitching, I continued with the finish tape.Tthere
is no way to tell which stitches lay flat and which may have twisted.
I doubt anyone can tell once taped and painted who used round and who used
flat. (Just guessing...as like I said, I've not used the round cord.)
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: Notes on FBG Post-Accident Repair & Recovery |
Thanks for sharing this information Kevin. Those last couple of photos aren't
easy to look at, knowing where they came from... but the details offer a bit of
confidence.
--------
Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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Subject: | Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat |
I used round and had no trouble, except for stepping on it twice and "rrrrr
rrrrrippp". But the finish tape covered it OK.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com>
Sent: Mon, Oct 1, 2012 8:32 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat
Greg: When I took the EAA Sportair Workshop on fabric covering they let us
try
both the round and the flat cord just to see which we liked best. Out of a
class of 25, as I recall, we all chose the flat as easier to work with. On
e of
the benefits is that the flat surface is a little easier on your fingers bu
t you
still needed some finger protection after working for a while. The part of
your
finger needing protection is the part where the string rubs when you pull t
he
knots tight.
Stinemetze
>>> "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> 10/1/2012 8:21 AM >>>
il>
Greg - I used round and didn't find it particularly difficult to work with
with
some practice. Have never used the flat cord but I'm guessing it would not
be
easier and you'd have to make sure there were no twists where it showed on
the
outside. Others who have used it will correct me as necessary, of course.
Congratulations on getting to that step in your process. I found it took m
e
about an hour per rib & I used duct tape on my pinky to keep from bleeding.
--------
Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384371#384371
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Subject: | Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat |
I used the round cord when I rebuilt my PA22/20 back in the '80's. I
did not notice any twist and it certainly didn't show through the tape.
C
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 12:47 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rib lacing cord - round vs flat
I have no experience with the round cord, as I stitched with the
flat. When it came time to put down the finish tape, I noticed a few
stitches did in fact twist. Not wanting to cut and re-do the stitching,
I continued with the finish tape.Tthere is no way to tell which stitches
lay flat and which may have twisted. I doubt anyone can tell once taped
and painted who used round and who used flat. (Just guessing...as like I
said, I've not used the round cord.)
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Subject: | Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat |
We used the flat waxed cord on ours. I have used both and I like the flat b
etter. I lays low and you just about cant see it under the finish tape. I h
ave stiched like 8 planes with the flat and two or three with the round. If
you unroll the roun and the flat it will help with the twisting. If you pu
ll it off the side it will pertwist the cord and make it harder to work wit
h. The waxed works better thea the dry. The dry will break as up pull your
knots. The nylon on nylon will cut the cord.
--- On Mon, 10/1/12, Greg Bacon <gbacon67@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67@gmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: rib lacing cord - round vs flat
Hey folks! -This weekend I finished the final shrink on the wing fabric a
nd began rib stitching. -Arbitrarily, I chose to use round rib lacing cor
d. -The cord seems to be prone to twisting, making it difficult (frustrat
ing!!) to dress the knots properly. -The thick waxy coating also makes it
sticky to handle.
Is the flat cord easier to handle? -What did you guys use?
Thanks.
--
Greg Bacon
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Subject: | Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat |
I forgot to mention a very important consideration to this whole rib stitch
thing.
What kind of cord did Bernard use?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:43 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rib lacing cord - round vs flat
We used the flat waxed cord on ours. I have used both and I like the flat b
etter. I lays low and you just about cant see it under the finish tape. I h
ave stiched like 8 planes with the flat and two or three with the round. If
you unroll the roun and the flat it will help with the twisting. If you pu
ll it off the side it will pertwist the cord and make it harder to work wit
h. The waxed works better thea the dry. The dry will break as up pull your
knots. The nylon on nylon will cut the cord.
--- On Mon, 10/1/12, Greg Bacon <gbacon67@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67@gmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: rib lacing cord - round vs flat
Hey folks! This weekend I finished the final shrink on the wing fabric and
began rib stitching. Arbitrarily, I chose to use round rib lacing cord.
The cord seems to be prone to twisting, making it difficult (frustrating!!)
to dress the knots properly. The thick waxy coating also makes it sticky
to handle.
Is the flat cord easier to handle? What did you guys use?
Thanks.
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Damnedifiknow .............
--- On Mon, 10/1/12, helspersew@aol.com <helspersew@aol.com> wrote:
From: helspersew@aol.com <helspersew@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rib lacing cord - round vs flat
I forgot to mention a very important-consideration to this whole rib stit
ch thing.
-
What kind of cord did Bernard use?
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Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:43 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rib lacing cord - round vs flat
We used the flat waxed cord on ours. I have used both and I like the flat b
etter. I lays low and you just about cant see it under the finish tape. I h
ave stiched like 8 planes with the flat and two or three with the round. If
you unroll the roun and the flat it will help with the twisting. If you pu
ll it off the side it will pertwist the cord and make it harder to work wit
h. The waxed works better thea the dry. The dry will break as up pull your
knots. The nylon on nylon will cut the cord.
--- On Mon, 10/1/12, Greg Bacon <gbacon67@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67@gmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: rib lacing cord - round vs flat
Hey folks! -This weekend I finished the final shrink on the wing fabric a
nd began rib stitching. -Arbitrarily, I chose to use round rib lacing cor
d. -The cord seems to be prone to twisting, making it difficult (frustrat
ing!!) to dress the knots properly. -The thick waxy coating also makes it
sticky to handle.
Is the flat cord easier to handle? -What did you guys use?
Thanks.
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Subject: | Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat |
See Gary, I told you if you tried hard you could be just like me! You made
it!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: gboothe5 <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Sent: Mon, Oct 1, 2012 4:25 pm
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat
I'm glad Dan mentioned that about tripping over the chord! I'm just like hi
m!
Gary
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Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat
I used round and had no trouble, except for stepping on it twice and "=rr
rrrrrrrrippp". But the finish tape covered it OK.
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com>
Sent: Mon, Oct 1, 2012 8:32 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat
"TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS@mcpcity.com<
/a>>
Greg: When I took the EAA Sportair Workshop on fabric covering they let us
try
both the round and the flat cord just to see which we liked best. Out of a
class of 25, as I recall, we all chose the flat as easier to work with. On
e of
the benefits is that the flat surface is a little easier on your fingers bu
t you
still needed some finger protection after working for a while. The part of
your
finger needing protection is the part where the string rubs when you pull t
he
knots tight.
Stinemetze
>>> "kevinpurtee" <
kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> 10/1/2012 8:21 AM >>>
il>
Greg - I used round and didn't find it particularly difficult to work with
with
some practice. Have never used the flat cord but I'm guessing it would not
be
easier and you'd have to make sure there were no twists where it showed on
the
outside. Others who have used it will correct me as necessary, of course.
Congratulations on getting to that step in your process. I found it took m
e
about an hour per rib & I used duct tape on my pinky to keep from bleed
ing.
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
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Subject: | Fly-in this weekend in PA |
For those in the area please come join us this weekend for a fun relaxing time in beautiful central PA. This is the 10th annual Fall Fly-in/ Camp-in at the Centre Airpark (N16) in Centre Hall, PA. Free camping Friday and Saturday nights. Saturday breakfast, hay ride to nearby farm for lunch, pot luck dinner, campfire, movies, and more. Sunday fly out to Lock Haven for their breakfast. More scrapbook photos and details at www.eaa1327.org or just give me a call.
Malcolm Morrison
(814) 769-1941
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Subject: | Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat |
I haven't noticed the twisting to be an issue, nor noticable with flat.
It's easier to pull on for long lengths of time.
The instructions on how to cover a Pitts 12 (the big round engine one) wing says
to use round because it's stronger... but I'm not sure I agree with it.
I just got done helping rib stitch B-17 control surfaces, they're 250mph stitched
every inch surfaces, we used flat.
For a Piet, just go with personal preference.
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Subject: | Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat |
Hey guy's! Look on youtube for Pemberton and son's aviation. His wife does a great
video using the flat cord and also using the Beech Staggerwing knot. If I
remember correct they used the flat for a better finish on the plane because you
can flatten it out after it's been tied.
Thanks
Gary
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Subject: | Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat |
helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
> I forgot to mention a very important consideration to this whole rib stitch thing.
>
> What kind of cord did Bernard use?
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
>
>
>
> --
>From what I gather from reading about Bernard he would have used a good cotton
cord with beeswax rubbed on it. That is what my dad used on his building cord
used as string lines. He "let" me wax the cord with a hunk of beeswax.
--------
Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
First flight June 16,2012
Started building July, 2009
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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Subject: | Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat |
round. Flat didn't exist then
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat
> From: jdotson@centurylink.net
> Date: Mon=2C 1 Oct 2012 17:36:44 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
.net>
>
>
> helspersew(at)aol.com wrote:
> > I forgot to mention a very important consideration to this whole rib st
itch thing.
> >
> > What kind of cord did Bernard use?
> >
> > Dan Helsper
> > Puryear=2C TN
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
>
> >From what I gather from reading about Bernard he would have used a good
cotton cord with beeswax rubbed on it. That is what my dad used on his buil
ding cord used as string lines. He "let" me wax the cord with a hunk of bee
swax.
>
> --------
> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker=2C FL 32531
>
> First flight June 16=2C2012
> Started building July=2C 2009
> 21"=3B wheels
> Lycoming O-235 C2C
> Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384429#384429
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Subject: | Re: EAA Calendar photo |
Ummm.... yeah Oscar. That's me.
But don't tell my mom. She thinks I play piano in a brothel.
Actually the Reno pics were mine, and my girlfriend's (now fiance), EA-18G
Growler avionics wizard, Julia Kirchenbauer. Her's are the better pics. S
he stepped up after the crash at Reno and got involved. The Navy gave her
a medal for her actions. Nice to see her recognized. It was a bad day.
Thanks for the kind words
CHeers
Jon
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Sent: Sun, Sep 30, 2012 9:40 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: EAA Calendar photo
Gorgeous airplane, superb photography. Speaking of which, can anyone confi
rm
that "our" Jon Apfelbaum (the fellow who shot the photo of Dan and his plan
e) is
the same Jon Apfelbaum who shot the photos that the FAA and NTSB used to
positively determine the sequence of events leading up to the fateful crash
of
Jimmy Leeward's P-51, "Galloping Ghost", at Reno?
I've seen parts of the report and analysis and the reconstruction and analy
sis
are very, very detailed. Some of the key elements of the analysis were fou
nded
on a series of photos of the airplane as it rolled. The photos showed the
elevator trim tab as it fluttered and detached. They also showed Leeward
apparently slumped in the cockpit. The photos were credited to Jonathan
Apfelbaum.
If it's the same Jon Apfelbaum, then it's Dr. Jon Apfelbaum, emergency room
physician, who was one of the first medical responders at the site of the c
rash.
You just don't read about those types of actions in the news or on TV.
--------
Oscar Zuniga
Medford/Ashland, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat |
Everyone, thanks for your input on this topic. It made for a fun Monday,
and I learned quite a bit more about cord. Guess I'll stick with the
round, since I have 490 more yards of it and a roll of the flat is 45
bucks!!
Greg Bacon
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 4:05 PM, Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf@bellsouth.net>wrote:
> Damnedifiknow .............
>
>
> --- On *Mon, 10/1/12, helspersew@aol.com <helspersew@aol.com>* wrote:
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>
> From: helspersew@aol.com <helspersew@aol.com>
>
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rib lacing cord - round vs flat
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Date: Monday, October 1, 2012, 5:00 PM
>
>
> I forgot to mention a very important consideration to this whole rib
> stitch thing.
>
> What kind of cord did Bernard use?
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Frank Metcalfe <fmetcalf@bellsouth.net>
> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Mon, Oct 1, 2012 3:43 pm
> Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: rib lacing cord - round vs flat
>
> We used the flat waxed cord on ours. I have used both and I like the
> flat better. I lays low and you just about cant see it under the finish
> tape. I have stiched like 8 planes with the flat and two or three with the
> round. If you unroll the roun and the flat it will help with the twisting.
> If you pull it off the side it will pertwist the cord and make it harder to
> work with. The waxed works better thea the dry. The dry will break as up
> pull your knots. The nylon on nylon will cut the cord.
>
> --- On *Mon, 10/1/12, Greg Bacon <gbacon67@gmail.com<http://us.mc1849.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gbacon67@gmail.com>
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67@gmail.com<http://us.mc1849.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=gbacon67@gmail.com>
> >
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: rib lacing cord - round vs flat
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com<http://us.mc1849.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Date: Monday, October 1, 2012, 9:06 AM
>
> Hey folks! This weekend I finished the final shrink on the wing fabric
> and began rib stitching. Arbitrarily, I chose to use round rib lacing
> cord. The cord seems to be prone to twisting, making it difficult
> (frustrating!!) to dress the knots properly. The thick waxy coating also
> makes it sticky to handle.
>
> Is the flat cord easier to handle? What did you guys use?
>
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Greg Bacon
>
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Subject: | Re: rib lacing cord - round vs flat |
Yes, that's the knot I'm using. Wendy does a good job teaching it in her
video. It's much much easier than the modified "insane" knot.
Greg
On Mon, Oct 1, 2012 at 6:18 PM, gabenner <gbenner@bixbymachine.com> wrote:
> >
>
> Hey guy's! Look on youtube for Pemberton and son's aviation. His wife does
> a great video using the flat cord and also using the Beech Staggerwing
> knot. If I remember correct they used the flat for a better finish on the
> plane because you can flatten it out after it's been tied.
>
> Thanks
> Gary
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384426#384426
>
>
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Greg Bacon
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Subject: | Re: Notes on FBG Post-Accident Repair & Recovery |
I will echo the sentiments of others: those photos, and the information that they
contain, were obtained at great cost. However, they -and your comments on
them- are invaluable to others.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: EAA Calendar photo |
Jon: thanks for your contributions to aviation and medicine, and thank your wife
for her service as well. And I just got this month's Sport Aviation in today's
mail and I see that the NTSB is also blaming re-used fiber insert locknuts
for the failure of the trim tab fasteners on Galloping Ghost. I re-use fiber
and nylon insert locknuts a couple of times, but if I can turn them with my fingers-
no. Apparently the flutter and/or earlier flights were enough to loosen
the nuts and contribute to the failure.
Side note: the Growler people are not universally liked. My Prowler buds are not
happy that illegitimates ("Navy") displaced their role and led to the demise
of the Prowler as the spectrum dominators. I am one of those who believes that
the Prowler personifies EW and that the Growler is nothing but a glorified
Hornet with a couple of iPads in it.
do not archive
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: EAA Calendar photo |
Oscar,
We all know what Fly_By_Wire is, but we used to call the Prowler "Fly_By_Committee".
That poor pilot was outgunned 3 to 1 by those NFO's.
We also used to say, "Never trust an NFO that doesn't wear glasses. You don't know
what's wrong with him."
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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