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1. 04:38 AM - Re: Re: GN-1 progress (Michael Perez)
2. 04:48 AM - Re: Piet data plates (Michael Perez)
3. 04:57 AM - Vert. Offset/Engine Thrust (Michael Perez)
4. 05:53 AM - Re: Vert. Offset/Engine Thrust (TriScout)
5. 07:36 AM - Experimentor (new format) (Robert Dewenter)
6. 08:09 AM - Re: Rib milestone (aerocarjake)
7. 08:53 AM - Re: Piet data plates (steve emo)
8. 10:02 AM - Continental engine cooling eyebrows (taildrags)
9. 11:10 AM - oil pressure A75 Continental (Greg Bacon)
10. 12:39 PM - Re: Re: Notes on FBG Post-Accident Repair & Recovery (Dan Yocum)
11. 12:42 PM - Re: Re: Notes on FBG Post-Accident Repair & Recovery (Mark Chouinard)
12. 01:09 PM - Re: oil pressure A75 Continental (gcardinal@comcast.net)
13. 01:42 PM - Re: oil pressure A75 Continental (Greg Bacon)
14. 03:26 PM - Wood Finish (John Francis)
15. 04:07 PM - Re: Wood Finish (Jerry Dotson)
16. 05:31 PM - Re: Vert-Offset (Ben Charvet)
17. 05:39 PM - Re: oil pressure A75 Continental (Ben Charvet)
18. 05:41 PM - Re: Re: Wood Finish (V Groah)
19. 08:47 PM - Re: Rib milestone (curtdm(at)gmail.com)
20. 08:53 PM - Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! (Gary Boothe)
21. 08:59 PM - Re: Re: Rib milestone (Gary Boothe)
22. 09:08 PM - Re: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! (Ken Bickers)
23. 11:44 PM - Re: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! (Bill Roach)
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| Subject: | Re: GN-1 progress |
Thanks Jon, looking forward to the pictures...no hurry.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Piet data plates |
"...Gerry pointed me to the source for his
authentic and sturdy eyebrows and I have a set ordered and on their way,
which should put an end to my cracks for good."
Any chance we may have the intel. on said source? If the price is right, I may
be interested.
Thanks Oscar.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Vert. Offset/Engine Thrust |
Thanks to those who supplied their engine mount offset numbers. (or lack of)
Oscar's post in the Vert. Stab thread demonstrates why I asked the engine offset
question. Those having no engine thrust offset may benefit from adding some
washers or custom made spacers to their engine mounts. Perhaps then, the twisted
vert. stab. can be relaxed and/or the trim tab can be made smaller or removed.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Vert. Offset/Engine Thrust |
Good point
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| Subject: | Experimentor (new format) |
Just in case you have not read "experimenter" in the past, or recently, it
has a new format and the October issue was just published. I think it is a
very good publication - and getting better.
http://experimenter.epubxp.com/i/84816
Bob Dewenter
Dayton OH
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| Subject: | Re: Rib milestone |
Nice.... Way more fun than building a 737 in your garage...(ha!)
Do not archive
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Piet data plates |
me too, maybe for an o-200 too...
steve
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 7:48 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> "...Gerry pointed me to the source for his authentic and sturdy
> eyebrows and I have a set ordered and on their way, which should put an end
> to my cracks for good."
>
> Any chance we may have the intel. on said source? If the price is right, I
> may be interested.
>
> Thanks Oscar.
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
> **
>
> *
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> *
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| Subject: | Continental engine cooling eyebrows |
The eyebrows that Gerry has on his airplane, and that I'm going to install on mine,
are from Falcon Aircraft-
http://www.falconaircraft.cz/en
I paid $300USD for them, shipped from Europe. Attached is a picture of Gerry's.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | oil pressure A75 Continental |
Can anyone help with part numbers for a pressure sending unit and oil
pressure gauge for my A75. I'm sure it's the same as the A65.
Thanks!
--
Greg Bacon
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| Subject: | Re: Notes on FBG Post-Accident Repair & Recovery |
On 10/02/2012 03:13 PM, K5YAC wrote:
>
>
> yocum137(at)gmail.com wrote:
>> On 10/01/2012 12:52 PM, K5YAC wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks for sharing this information Kevin. Those last couple of photos aren't
easy to look at, knowing where they came from... but the details offer a
bit of confidence.
>>>
>>>
>>
>> I second the motion.
>>
>> do not archive
>
>
> Is that Dan Yokum? Where have YOU been hiding?
New job's been keeping me off the streets. I'm having way more fun than
any person should be allowed to have at work, though.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Notes on FBG Post-Accident Repair & Recovery |
You guys must be building airplanes!
Sent from my iPhone
On Oct 4, 2012, at 14:39, Dan Yocum <yocum137@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 10/02/2012 03:13 PM, K5YAC wrote:
>>
>>
>> yocum137(at)gmail.com wrote:
>>> On 10/01/2012 12:52 PM, K5YAC wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for sharing this information Kevin. Those last couple of photos aren't
easy to look at, knowing where they came from... but the details offer a
bit of confidence.
>>>
>>> I second the motion.
>>>
>>> do not archive
>>
>>
>> Is that Dan Yokum? Where have YOU been hiding?
>
> New job's been keeping me off the streets. I'm having way more fun than
> any person should be allowed to have at work, though.
>
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: oil pressure A75 Continental |
Use a manual gauge, no sender needed. Aircraft Spruce sells a Rochester 0 -
80 gauge, part #10-00015, that looks right but the catalog is scant on con
nection info.
Fittings and tubing can be purchased from McMaster-Carr. You will need 1 ea
ch of the following:
8967K86 (10' of copper tubing)
50915K311 (compression fitting that screws into the engine case)
50915K211 (compression fitting that screws onto the back of the gauge)
Once your engine is running bleed all of the air out of the tubing by VERY
slowly loosening the fitting at the gauge.
If the tubing is full of air the gauge will be slow to respond on engine st
art-up.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: "Greg Bacon" <gbacon67@gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 4, 2012 1:09:33 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: oil pressure A75 Continental
Can anyone help with part numbers for a pressure sending unit and oil press
ure gauge for my A75. =C2-I'm sure it's the same as the A65.
Thanks!
--
Greg Bacon
==
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| Subject: | Re: oil pressure A75 Continental |
Excellent! Thanks Greg
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 3:09 PM, <gcardinal@comcast.net> wrote:
> Use a manual gauge, no sender needed. Aircraft Spruce sells a Rochester 0
> - 80 gauge, part #10-00015, that looks right but the catalog is scant on
> connection info.
>
> Fittings and tubing can be purchased from McMaster-Carr. You will need 1
> each of the following:
>
>
> 8967K86 (10' of copper tubing)
>
> 50915K311 (compression fitting that screws into the engine case)
>
> 50915K211 (compression fitting that screws onto the back of the gauge)
>
>
> Once your engine is running bleed all of the air out of the tubing by VERY
> slowly loosening the fitting at the gauge.
>
> If the tubing is full of air the gauge will be slow to respond on engine
> start-up.
>
>
> Greg Cardinal
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From: *"Greg Bacon" <gbacon67@gmail.com>
> *To: *pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> *Sent: *Thursday, October 4, 2012 1:09:33 PM
> *Subject: *Pietenpol-List: oil pressure A75 Continental
>
>
> Can anyone help with part numbers for a pressure sending unit and oil
> pressure gauge for my A75. I'm sure it's the same as the A65.
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> --
> Greg Bacon
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
> *
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> *
>
>
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Greg Bacon
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Is it necessary to sand the spruce to a smooth finish, say 400 grit, before I cover
my wings? Or will the fabric cover a rough (100 grit) surface?
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John Francis
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John I am sure others will chime in but here is what I did. If the surface was
really rough I would smooth it up with 120 then slick it up with 220. I used 220
in preparation and between coat of varnish where the wood work shows when finished
ALA landing gear,cabanes and wing struts, panels etc. I am very happy
with the quality of finish I got. Every thing that shows got 4 coats of spar varnish
sanded with 220 between coats..
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Jerry Dotson
59 Daniel Johnson Rd
Baker, FL 32531
First flight June 16,2012
Started building July, 2009
21" wheels
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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I used the offset thrust as drawn on the plans. After a few flights I
increased the side thrust a bit with washers. It could still use a
trim tab, but I just rest my right foot on the rudder bar.
Ben
On 10/3/2012 12:12 PM, Michael Perez wrote:
> I am curious...
>
> to all you guys using rudder trim tabs and/or vert. stab. offset, any
> idea how much, if any, engine mount offset you may have? I wonder...
> if there isn't any, or maybe very little, that may be leading to the
> need for trim tabs and vert. stab. offset.
>
> I put in some right thrust in the engine mount upon
> construction...wonder if I have enough.
>
> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
>
> *
>
>
> *
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Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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| Subject: | Re: oil pressure A75 Continental |
i''m using an oil pressure gauge I bought at Advance Auto Parts. It
comes with plastic tubing, but they sell the copper tubing as well, and
thats what I used. I'm also using a matching Oil Temp gauge.
Ben
On 10/4/2012 2:09 PM, Greg Bacon wrote:
> Can anyone help with part numbers for a pressure sending unit and oil
> pressure gauge for my A75. I'm sure it's the same as the A65.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
> --
> Greg Bacon
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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Ben Charvet, PharmD
Staff Pharmacist
Parrish Medical center
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the advice Jerry gave is great. We did something just a little different
=2C we did all the sanding as he said but after the first coat of varnish
was dry topped off with automotive clear coat on all exposed wood. This gi
ves a harder finish that is designed to take sun and abrasion. It will cos
t twice as much but last much longer. Vic NX414MV
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Finish
> From: jdotson@centurylink.net
> Date: Thu=2C 4 Oct 2012 16:06:56 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
.net>
>
> John I am sure others will chime in but here is what I did. If the surfac
e was really rough I would smooth it up with 120 then slick it up with 220.
I used 220 in preparation and between coat of varnish where the wood work
shows when finished ALA landing gear=2Ccabanes and wing struts=2C panels et
c. I am very happy with the quality of finish I got. Every thing that shows
got 4 coats of spar varnish sanded with 220 between coats..
>
> --------
> Jerry Dotson
> 59 Daniel Johnson Rd
> Baker=2C FL 32531
>
> First flight June 16=2C2012
> Started building July=2C 2009
> 21"=3B wheels
> Lycoming O-235 C2C
> Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
> do not archive
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>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Rib milestone |
I used and pulled 2732 staples saving 6 1/2 oz.
It feels like a lot more.
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Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! |
Following are some musings about the Phase 1 flight testing for
NX308MB
Having not logged any time since 1984, I made the decision to turn over
Phase 1 testing to CFI/Test Pilot, Roy Richardson. I found that, when
the time came, that brash confidence which dominated my flying in my
youth had been replaced with a calmer patience. It had never been my
intent to let someone else have the pleasure of the first flight, but I
couldn=99t ignore the good fortune of finding the right person at
the right time. Certainly it would have been far less expensive to
merely get current, then do my own test flights, and having over 200 hrs
of tail wheel time I wasn=99t concerned about take offs and
landings, but, for once in my life, I couldn=99t quiet that little
voice, and Safety took the lead.
Previously, I have explained my feelings of relief during the first few
flights, watching from a distance. Eventually, I became accustomed to my
role as =98Crew Chief=99, tweaking, adjusting and repairing
every big and little complaint that the pilot reported. As all of you
who have built your own planes can testify, there is no trepidation
about making repairs; and, if you have also built your own engines, you
have confidence there, too. To me, this became the final chapter of the
building processwithout any of the stress of those early
flights.
Roy addressed Phase 1 professionally, and quickly; flying the required
40 hours in less than a month. He carried with him the
=98Owner=99s Manual=99 that I had copied from someone
else, making notations and changes where needed. We had long
conversations about his discoveries (this was the first Pietenpol he had
seen!), and how much he enjoyed how it flies. Eager to get the
opportunity to fly myself, I was glad that he devoted so much time to
it, and found the extra waiting time to be helpful in understanding what
to expect.
Flying with a CFI has never been relaxing or fun, but that flight,
tonight, for me was still exciting and rewarding. The evening started
with me stopping by the hangar to complete some maintenance, when Roy
showed up. We started talking, and, wellyou knowone
thing led to another and pretty soon we up in the air, with me in the
rear cockpit!! The BFR checkride went without issue and, before long, I
was up by myself! I doubt if I am capable of describing those feelings,
or at least doing justice to the whole event (those who have been there
will understand), but I can say that I think it was especially sweet
knowing that I did not need to be concerned about the mechanics or
design of my plane, and needed only to concentrate on my flying.
Definetly, I am not saying that I recommend this process to anyone, only
that it worked for me. It=99s quite possible that I could have
done my own first flight and subsequent Phase 1 flying, and had no
lasting bad experiences; but I do know that there were a number of minor
issues that were immediately apparent upon that first lift off, and a
rusty old pilot would have been busy.
I wish all of you Pietenpol builders the pleasure I have experienced in
the building process, and the pleasure of your eventual first flight!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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| Subject: | Re: Rib milestone |
Are you sure it was 2,732? Better count again... :-)
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
curtdm(at)gmail.com
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 8:47 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib milestone
--> <curtdm@gmail.com>
I used and pulled 2732 staples saving 6 1/2 oz.
It feels like a lot more.
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Curt Merdan
Flower Mound, TX
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! |
Gary, congratulations. Your wisdom and prudence is a lesson for all of us.
Cheers, Ken
On Thu, Oct 4, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
> ** **
>
> Following are some musings about the Phase 1 flight testing for NX308MB
=85**
> **
>
> ** **
>
> Having not logged any time since 1984, I made the decision to turn over
> Phase 1 testing to CFI/Test Pilot, Roy Richardson. I found that, when the
> time came, that brash confidence which dominated my flying in my youth ha
d
> been replaced with a calmer patience. It had never been my intent to let
> someone else have the pleasure of the first flight, but I couldn=92t igno
re
> the good fortune of finding the right person at the right time. Certainly
> it would have been far less expensive to merely get current, then do my o
wn
> test flights, and having over 200 hrs of tail wheel time I wasn=92t conce
rned
> about take offs and landings, but, for once in my life, I couldn=92t quie
t
> that little voice, and Safety took the lead. ****
>
> ** **
>
> Previously, I have explained my feelings of relief during the first few
> flights, watching from a distance. Eventually, I became accustomed to my
> role as =91Crew Chief=92, tweaking, adjusting and repairing every big and
> little complaint that the pilot reported. As all of you who have built yo
ur
> own planes can testify, there is no trepidation about making repairs; and
,
> if you have also built your own engines, you have confidence there, too.
To
> me, this became the final chapter of the building process=85without any o
f
> the stress of those early flights. ****
>
> ** **
>
> Roy addressed Phase 1 professionally, and quickly; flying the required 40
> hours in less than a month. He carried with him the =91Owner=92s Manual
=92 that I
> had copied from someone else, making notations and changes where needed.
We
> had long conversations about his discoveries (this was the first Pietenpo
l
> he had seen!), and how much he enjoyed how it flies. Eager to get the
> opportunity to fly myself, I was glad that he devoted so much time to it,
> and found the extra waiting time to be helpful in understanding what to
> expect.****
>
> ** **
>
> Flying with a CFI has never been relaxing or fun, but that flight,
> tonight, for me was still exciting and rewarding. The evening started
> with me stopping by the hangar to complete some maintenance, when Roy
> showed up. We started talking, and, well=85you know=85one thing led to an
other
> and pretty soon we up in the air, with me in the rear cockpit!! The BFR
> checkride went without issue and, before long, I was up by myself! I doub
t
> if I am capable of describing those feelings, or at least doing justice t
o
> the whole event (those who have been there will understand), but I can sa
y
> that I think it was especially sweet knowing that I did not need to be
> concerned about the mechanics or design of my plane, and needed only to
> concentrate on my flying.****
>
> ** **
>
> Definetly, I am not saying that I recommend this process to anyone, only
> that it worked for me. It=92s quite possible that I could have done my ow
n
> first flight and subsequent Phase 1 flying, and had no lasting bad
> experiences; but I do know that there were a number of minor issues that
> were immediately apparent upon that first lift off, and a rusty old pilot
> would have been busy.****
>
> ** **
>
> I wish all of you Pietenpol builders the pleasure I have experienced in
> the building process, and the pleasure of your eventual first flight!****
>
> ** **
>
> Gary Boothe****
>
> NX308MB****
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! |
Gary
=C2-
Congrats I am so glad for you.=C2- Have lots of fun building up your hour
s in the Pietenpol.
=C2-
Your friend Bill
Bill Roach
10110 Hale Ave.
Morgan Hill, CA 95037
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--- On Thu, 10/4/12, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one!
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Following are some musings about the Phase 1 flight testing for NX308MB
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Having not logged any time since 1984, I made the decision to turn over Pha
se 1 testing to CFI/Test Pilot, Roy Richardson. I found that, when the time
came, that brash confidence which dominated my flying in my youth had been
replaced with a calmer patience. It had never been my intent to let someon
e else have the pleasure of the first flight, but I couldn=99t ignore
the good fortune of finding the right person at the right time. Certainly
it would have been far less expensive to merely get current, then do my own
test flights, and having over 200 hrs of tail wheel time I wasn=99t
concerned about take offs and landings, but, for once in my life, I couldn
=99t quiet that little voice, and Safety took the lead.
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Previously, I have explained my feelings of relief during the first few fli
ghts, watching from a distance. Eventually, I became accustomed to my role
as =98Crew Chief=99, tweaking, adjusting and repairing every bi
g and little complaint that the pilot reported. As all of you who have buil
t your own planes can testify, there is no trepidation about making repairs
; and, if you have also built your own engines, you have confidence there,
too. To me, this became the final chapter of the building processw
ithout any of the stress of those early flights.
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Roy addressed Phase 1 professionally, and quickly; flying the required 40 h
ours in less than a month. He carried with him the =98Owner=99s
Manual=99 that I had copied from someone else, making notations and
changes where needed. We had long conversations about his discoveries (this
was the first Pietenpol he had seen!), and how much he enjoyed how it flie
s. Eager to get the opportunity to fly myself, I was glad that he devoted s
o much time to it, and found the extra waiting time to be helpful in unders
tanding what to expect.
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Flying with a CFI has never been relaxing or fun, but that flight, tonight,
for me was still exciting and rewarding. The evening started with me stopp
ing by the hangar to complete some maintenance, when Roy showed up. We star
ted talking, and, wellyou knowone thing led to another an
d pretty soon we up in the air, with me in the rear cockpit!! The BFR check
ride went without issue and, before long, I was up by myself! I doubt if I
am capable of describing those feelings, or at least doing justice to the w
hole event (those who have been there will understand), but I can say that
I think it was especially sweet knowing that I did not need to be concerned
about the mechanics or design of my plane, and needed only to concentrate
on my flying.
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Definetly, I am not saying that I recommend this process to anyone, only th
at it worked for me. It=99s quite possible that I could have done my
own first flight and subsequent Phase 1 flying, and had no lasting bad expe
riences; but I do know that there were a number of minor issues that were i
mmediately apparent upon that first lift off, and a rusty old pilot would h
ave been busy.
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I wish all of you Pietenpol builders the pleasure I have experienced in the
building process, and the pleasure of your eventual first flight!
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Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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