---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 10/05/12: 36 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:59 AM - Re: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! (Jack Phillips) 2. 04:09 AM - Re: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! (Gene Rambo) 3. 04:55 AM - Re: Re: Wood Finish (Michael Perez) 4. 04:57 AM - Re: Vert-Offset (Michael Perez) 5. 05:02 AM - Tony B. and Rudder Trim Tabs (Michael Perez) 6. 05:05 AM - Re: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! (John Francis) 7. 05:13 AM - Re: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! (Jim Markle) 8. 05:26 AM - Re: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! (John Hofmann) 9. 05:36 AM - pilot in command, Gary Boothe (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 10. 05:41 AM - Re: pilot in command, Gary Boothe (helspersew@aol.com) 11. 05:46 AM - Re: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! (Gary Boothe) 12. 05:50 AM - Re: pilot in command, Gary Boothe (Greg Bacon) 13. 06:10 AM - Re: pilot in command, Gary Boothe (Gary Boothe) 14. 06:21 AM - Re: pilot in command, Gary Boothe (AircamperN11MS) 15. 06:34 AM - Re: Rib milestone (curtdm(at)gmail.com) 16. 06:59 AM - Congrats Gary! (Douwe Blumberg) 17. 07:13 AM - Re: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! (Robert Bush) 18. 07:26 AM - Re: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! (Michael Perez) 19. 07:29 AM - Re: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! (Jim Boyer) 20. 07:43 AM - Re: pilot in command, Gary Boothe (Jim Boyer) 21. 07:44 AM - Re: Re: Rib milestone (Jim Boyer) 22. 07:51 AM - Re: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! (Ray Krause) 23. 08:00 AM - Re: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! (K5YAC) 24. 08:06 AM - Re: pilot in command, Gary Boothe (Gary Boothe) 25. 08:17 AM - Re: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! (caldwrl) 26. 08:35 AM - Ray Krause (Gary Boothe) 27. 08:37 AM - Re: pilot in command, Gary Boothe (Gary Boothe) 28. 08:49 AM - Re: pilot in command, Gary Boothe (Dan Yocum) 29. 09:19 AM - Re: pilot in command, Gary Boothe (Don Emch) 30. 11:14 AM - From my CFI (Gary Boothe) 31. 11:39 AM - Re: pilot in command, Gary Boothe (aerocarjake) 32. 11:59 AM - Re: pilot in command, Gary Boothe (aerocarjake) 33. 01:32 PM - Re: From my CFI (echobravo4) 34. 06:37 PM - Garys PIC (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 35. 09:49 PM - Re: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! (Mark Roberts) 36. 09:53 PM - Re: From my CFI (Mark Roberts) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:59:35 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! Fantastic, Gary! Welcome to a small but growing club. It's truly the best feeling in the world. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gary Boothe Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 11:53 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! Following are some musings about the Phase 1 flight testing for NX308MB. Having not logged any time since 1984, I made the decision to turn over Phase 1 testing to CFI/Test Pilot, Roy Richardson. I found that, when the time came, that brash confidence which dominated my flying in my youth had been replaced with a calmer patience. It had never been my intent to let someone else have the pleasure of the first flight, but I couldn't ignore the good fortune of finding the right person at the right time. Certainly it would have been far less expensive to merely get current, then do my own test flights, and having over 200 hrs of tail wheel time I wasn't concerned about take offs and landings, but, for once in my life, I couldn't quiet that little voice, and Safety took the lead. Previously, I have explained my feelings of relief during the first few flights, watching from a distance. Eventually, I became accustomed to my role as 'Crew Chief', tweaking, adjusting and repairing every big and little complaint that the pilot reported. As all of you who have built your own planes can testify, there is no trepidation about making repairs; and, if you have also built your own engines, you have confidence there, too. To me, this became the final chapter of the building process.without any of the stress of those early flights. Roy addressed Phase 1 professionally, and quickly; flying the required 40 hours in less than a month. He carried with him the 'Owner's Manual' that I had copied from someone else, making notations and changes where needed. We had long conversations about his discoveries (this was the first Pietenpol he had seen!), and how much he enjoyed how it flies. Eager to get the opportunity to fly myself, I was glad that he devoted so much time to it, and found the extra waiting time to be helpful in understanding what to expect. Flying with a CFI has never been relaxing or fun, but that flight, tonight, for me was still exciting and rewarding. The evening started with me stopping by the hangar to complete some maintenance, when Roy showed up. We started talking, and, well.you know.one thing led to another and pretty soon we up in the air, with me in the rear cockpit!! The BFR checkride went without issue and, before long, I was up by myself! I doubt if I am capable of describing those feelings, or at least doing justice to the whole event (those who have been there will understand), but I can say that I think it was especially sweet knowing that I did not need to be concerned about the mechanics or design of my plane, and needed only to concentrate on my flying. Definetly, I am not saying that I recommend this process to anyone, only that it worked for me. It's quite possible that I could have done my own first flight and subsequent Phase 1 flying, and had no lasting bad experiences; but I do know that there were a number of minor issues that were immediately apparent upon that first lift off, and a rusty old pilot would have been busy. I wish all of you Pietenpol builders the pleasure I have experienced in the building process, and the pleasure of your eventual first flight! Gary Boothe NX308MB ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:09:11 AM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! Congratulations Gary!! Next year is really going to be something!! ( you A RE bringing it, aren't you?) On Oct 4, 2012, at 11:52 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > Following are some musings about the Phase 1 flight testing for NX308MB > > Having not logged any time since 1984, I made the decision to turn over Ph ase 1 testing to CFI/Test Pilot, Roy Richardson. I found that, when the time came, that brash confidence which dominated my flying in my youth had been r eplaced with a calmer patience. It had never been my intent to let someone e lse have the pleasure of the first flight, but I couldn=99t ignore the good fortune of finding the right person at the right time. Certainly it wo uld have been far less expensive to merely get current, then do my own test f lights, and having over 200 hrs of tail wheel time I wasn=99t concerne d about take offs and landings, but, for once in my life, I couldn=99t quiet that little voice, and Safety took the lead. > > Previously, I have explained my feelings of relief during the first few fl ights, watching from a distance. Eventually, I became accustomed to my role a s =98Crew Chief=99, tweaking, adjusting and repairing every big a nd little complaint that the pilot reported. As all of you who have built yo ur own planes can testify, there is no trepidation about making repairs; and , if you have also built your own engines, you have confidence there, too. T o me, this became the final chapter of the building processwithout a ny of the stress of those early flights. > > Roy addressed Phase 1 professionally, and quickly; flying the required 40 h ours in less than a month. He carried with him the =98Owner=99s M anual=99 that I had copied from someone else, making notations and cha nges where needed. We had long conversations about his discoveries (this was the first Pietenpol he had seen!), and how much he enjoyed how it flies. Ea ger to get the opportunity to fly myself, I was glad that he devoted so much time to it, and found the extra waiting time to be helpful in understanding what to expect. > > Flying with a CFI has never been relaxing or fun, but that flight, tonight , for me was still exciting and rewarding. The evening started with me stopp ing by the hangar to complete some maintenance, when Roy showed up. We start ed talking, and, wellyou knowone thing led to another and p retty soon we up in the air, with me in the rear cockpit!! The BFR checkride went without issue and, before long, I was up by myself! I doubt if I am ca pable of describing those feelings, or at least doing justice to the whole e vent (those who have been there will understand), but I can say that I think it was especially sweet knowing that I did not need to be concerned about t he mechanics or design of my plane, and needed only to concentrate on my fly ing. > > Definetly, I am not saying that I recommend this process to anyone, only t hat it worked for me. It=99s quite possible that I could have done my o wn first flight and subsequent Phase 1 flying, and had no lasting bad experi ences; but I do know that there were a number of minor issues that were imme diately apparent upon that first lift off, and a rusty old pilot would have b een busy. > > I wish all of you Pietenpol builders the pleasure I have experienced in th e building process, and the pleasure of your eventual first flight! > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:04 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood Finish As with a lot of aspects with building your own plane, the finish is based on personal taste.- I chose NOT to sand the wood while doing the varnish. I used a wet rag to wipe down the wood prior to the varnish, which actuall y raises the grain some. After that, I just applied multiple coats and left it alone. I personally like the look of the not-so-perfect, mildly rough, non-glossy finish. Kinda along the lines of what Oscar had mentioned in ano ther thread. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:57:11 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Vert-Offset Thanks.- I added extra engine offset when building the mount, but I guess I won't know if it is enough until I get the plane in the air. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com =0A ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:02:45 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Tony B. and Rudder Trim Tabs FYI, for those using or going to use a trim tab on the rudder; in the blue TB book, I believe it is page 140, Tony describes on what SIDE of the rudde r to place the tab depending on needing right or left trim. Basically, the tab itself is mounted on the side of the rudder that the nose needs to be p ointed towards.- (the book has a sketch) I don't know how much of a difference mounting the tab this way has, but it was enough for Tony to mention it and draw it out. This may be another way to get the most performance out of the trim tab and keep it small and/or deflected very little. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:05:18 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! From: "John Francis" Way to go Gary! I might consider the same path when my turn comes. John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384684#384684 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:13:37 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! Awesome Gary! Congrats! -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: Oct 4, 2012 11:52 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! Following are some musings about the Phase 1 flight testing for NX308MB Having not logged any time since 1984, I made the decision to turn over Phase 1 testing to CFI/Test Pilot, Roy Richardson. I found that, when the time came, that brash confidence which dominated my flying in my youth had been replaced with a calmer patience. It had never been my intent to let someone else have the pleasure of the first flight, but I couldnt ignore the good fortune of finding the right person at the right time. Certainly it would have been far less expensive to merely get current, then do my own test flights, and having over 200 hrs of tail wheel time I wasnt concerned about take offs and landings, but, for once in my life, I couldnt quiet that little voice, and Safety took the lead. Previously, I have explained my feelings of relief during the first few flights, watching from a distance. Eventually, I became accustomed to my role as Crew Chief, tweaking, adjusting and repairing every big and little complaint that the pilot reported. As all of you who have built your own planes can testify, there is no trepidation about making repairs; and, if you have also built your own engines, you have confidence there, too. To me, this became the final chapter of the building processwithout any of the stress of those early flights. Roy addressed Phase 1 professionally, and quickly; flying the required 40 hours in less than a month. He carried with him the Owners Manual that I had copied from someone else, making notations and changes where needed. We had long conversations about his discoveries (this was the first Pietenpol he had seen!), and how much he enjoyed how it flies. Eager to get the opportunity to fly myself, I was glad that he devoted so much time to it, and found the extra waiting time to be helpful in understanding what to expect. Flying with a CFI has never been relaxing or fun, but that flight, tonight, for me was still exciting and rewarding. The evening started with me stopping by! the han gar to complete some maintenance, when Roy showed up. We started talking, and, wellyou knowone thing led to another and pretty soon we up in the air, with me in the rear cockpit!! The BFR checkride went without issue and, before long, I was up by myself! I doubt if I am capable of describing those feelings, or at least doing justice to the whole event (those who have been there will understand), but I can say that I think it was especially sweet knowing that I did not need to be concerned about the mechanics or design of my plane, and needed only to concentrate on my flying. Definetly, I am not saying that I recommend this process to anyone, only that it worked for me. Its quite possible that I could have done my own first flight and subsequent Phase 1 flying, and had no lasting bad experiences; but I do know that there were a number of minor issues that were immediately apparent upon that first lift off, and a rusty old pilot would have been busy. I wish all of you Pietenpol builders the pleasure I have experienced in the building process, and the pleasure of your eventual first flight! Gary BootheNX308MB ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:26:24 AM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! Gary, This is great news! You are a steely-eyed missile man now! -john- John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Oct 5, 2012, at 6:09 AM, Gene Rambo wrote: > Congratulations Gary!! Next year is really going to be something!! ( you ARE bringing it, aren't you?) > > On Oct 4, 2012, at 11:52 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > >> >> Following are some musings about the Phase 1 flight testing for NX308MB=85 >> >> Having not logged any time since 1984, I made the decision to turn over Phase 1 testing to CFI/Test Pilot, Roy Richardson. I found that, when the time came, that brash confidence which dominated my flying in my youth had been replaced with a calmer patience. It had never been my intent to let someone else have the pleasure of the first flight, but I couldn=92t ignore the good fortune of finding the right person at the right time. Certainly it would have been far less expensive to merely get current, then do my own test flights, and having over 200 hrs of tail wheel time I wasn=92t concerned about take offs and landings, but, for once in my life, I couldn=92t quiet that little voice, and Safety took the lead. >> >> Previously, I have explained my feelings of relief during the first few flights, watching from a distance. Eventually, I became accustomed to my role as =91Crew Chief=92, tweaking, adjusting and repairing every big and little complaint that the pilot reported. As all of you who have built your own planes can testify, there is no trepidation about making repairs; and, if you have also built your own engines, you have confidence there, too. To me, this became the final chapter of the building process=85without any of the stress of those early flights. >> >> Roy addressed Phase 1 professionally, and quickly; flying the required 40 hours in less than a month. He carried with him the =91Owner=92 s Manual=92 that I had copied from someone else, making notations and changes where needed. We had long conversations about his discoveries (this was the first Pietenpol he had seen!), and how much he enjoyed how it flies. Eager to get the opportunity to fly myself, I was glad that he devoted so much time to it, and found the extra waiting time to be helpful in understanding what to expect. >> >> Flying with a CFI has never been relaxing or fun, but that flight, tonight, for me was still exciting and rewarding. The evening started with me stopping by the hangar to complete some maintenance, when Roy showed up. We started talking, and, well=85you know=85one thing led to another and pretty soon we up in the air, with me in the rear cockpit!! The BFR checkride went without issue and, before long, I was up by myself! I doubt if I am capable of describing those feelings, or at least doing justice to the whole event (those who have been there will understand), but I can say that I think it was especially sweet knowing that I did not need to be concerned about the mechanics or design of my plane, and needed only to concentrate on my flying. >> >> Definetly, I am not saying that I recommend this process to anyone, only that it worked for me. It=92s quite possible that I could have done my own first flight and subsequent Phase 1 flying, and had no lasting bad experiences; but I do know that there were a number of minor issues that were immediately apparent upon that first lift off, and a rusty old pilot would have been busy. >> >> I wish all of you Pietenpol builders the pleasure I have experienced in the building process, and the pleasure of your eventual first flight! >> >> Gary Boothe >> NX308MB >> >> >> >> >> ======================== >> >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List >> ======================== >> cs.com >> ======================== >> matronics.com/contribution >> ======================== >> > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:16 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: pilot in command, Gary Boothe Would the owner/operator of NX308MB please step forward to accept this awar d...... Here's a huge round of applause for achieving the ultimate dream of every h omebuilder Gary: flying your hand-built creation for the very first time. Way to go bro. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:41:42 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: pilot in command, Gary Boothe From: helspersew@aol.com Gary, Supreme congratulations!! You da Man! Please say how the prop re-pitch wor ked out. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove IL (till Sunday) -----Original Message----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] Sent: Fri, Oct 5, 2012 7:36 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: pilot in command, Gary Boothe Would the owner/operator of NX308MB please step forward to accept this awar d Here=99s a huge round of applause for achieving the ultimate dream of every homebuilder Gary: flying your hand-built creation for the very first time. Way to go bro. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:46:04 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! Gene =93 I wish the answer was, =9CYes!=9D Next year my wife=99s side of the family has a family reunion planned that weekend and I=99m quite sure I would lose a prodigious number of Pietenpol Points if I went flying instead.I=99m not happy about that. Whether I flew my Piet or went commercial, I=99ll be missing your debut and the Black & Yellow squadron fly-over. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 4:09 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! Congratulations Gary!! Next year is really going to be something!! ( you ARE bringing it, aren't you?) On Oct 4, 2012, at 11:52 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: Following are some musings about the Phase 1 flight testing for NX308MB Having not logged any time since 1984, I made the decision to turn over Phase 1 testing to CFI/Test Pilot, Roy Richardson. I found that, when the time came, that brash confidence which dominated my flying in my youth had been replaced with a calmer patience. It had never been my intent to let someone else have the pleasure of the first flight, but I couldn=99t ignore the good fortune of finding the right person at the right time. Certainly it would have been far less expensive to merely get current, then do my own test flights, and having over 200 hrs of tail wheel time I wasn=99t concerned about take offs and landings, but, for once in my life, I couldn=99t quiet that little voice, and Safety took the lead. Previously, I have explained my feelings of relief during the first few flights, watching from a distance. Eventually, I became accustomed to my role as =98Crew Chief=99, tweaking, adjusting and repairing every big and little complaint that the pilot reported. As all of you who have built your own planes can testify, there is no trepidation about making repairs; and, if you have also built your own engines, you have confidence there, too. To me, this became the final chapter of the building processwithout any of the stress of those early flights. Roy addressed Phase 1 professionally, and quickly; flying the required 40 hours in less than a month. He carried with him the =98Owner=99s Manual=99 that I had copied from someone else, making notations and changes where needed. We had long conversations about his discoveries (this was the first Pietenpol he had seen!), and how much he enjoyed how it flies. Eager to get the opportunity to fly myself, I was glad that he devoted so much time to it, and found the extra waiting time to be helpful in understanding what to expect. Flying with a CFI has never been relaxing or fun, but that flight, tonight, for me was still exciting and rewarding. The evening started with me stopping by the hangar to complete some maintenance, when Roy showed up. We started talking, and, wellyou knowone thing led to another and pretty soon we up in the air, with me in the rear cockpit!! The BFR checkride went without issue and, before long, I was up by myself! I doubt if I am capable of describing those feelings, or at least doing justice to the whole event (those who have been there will understand), but I can say that I think it was especially sweet knowing that I did not need to be concerned about the mechanics or design of my plane, and needed only to concentrate on my flying. Definetly, I am not saying that I recommend this process to anyone, only that it worked for me. It=99s quite possible that I could have done my own first flight and subsequent Phase 1 flying, and had no lasting bad experiences; but I do know that there were a number of minor issues that were immediately apparent upon that first lift off, and a rusty old pilot would have been busy. I wish all of you Pietenpol builders the pleasure I have experienced in the building process, and the pleasure of your eventual first flight! Gary Boothe NX308MB ========= >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========= cs.com ========= matronics.com/contribution ========= ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:50:27 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: pilot in command, Gary Boothe From: Greg Bacon Congrats Gary! You did it the right way. Greg Bacon Prairie Home, MO On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 7:41 AM, wrote: > Gary, > > Supreme congratulations!! You da Man! Please say how the prop re-pitch > worked out. > > Dan Helsper > Poplar Grove IL (till Sunday) > -----Original Message----- > From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] (GRC-RXD0)[Vantag e > Partners, LLC] > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Fri, Oct 5, 2012 7:36 am > Subject: Pietenpol-List: pilot in command, Gary Boothe > > Would the owner/operator of NX308MB please step forward to accept this > award=85=85 > Here=92s a huge round of applause for achieving the ultimate dream of eve ry > homebuilder > Gary: flying your hand-built creation for the very first time. Way to > go bro. > > Mike C. > > > * > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > * > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > -- Greg Bacon ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:10:10 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: pilot in command, Gary Boothe Dan =93 I never did =9Cre-pitch.=9D I only removed extra meat, and made sure I accurately maintained the pitch I had planned. The results were dramatic! Since I wasn=99t flying at the time, I can only report what the pilot reported, which was an increase of 10-15 mph, and a dramatic cooling effect! With full power (over 3,000rpm), I can easily increase speed to 85, but at a comfortable 2700rpm I appear to be cruising at about 72. Yesterday, at about 80 F, with two people and 16 gallons of fuel, we were climbing at about 400 fpm. By myself, (just one take off) climb was at about 700 fpm. I was a little distracted, though, as my borrowed head set started to blow off; so, while removing it, it also snagged my bi-focaled safety glasses, so there I was with no hearing protection, no eye protection, and no corrective lenses! Being a =9Csteely-eyed missile man=9D though, as John Hoffman put it, the absence of these creature comforts did little to affect the outcome [yawn]. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of helspersew@aol.com Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 5:41 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: pilot in command, Gary Boothe Gary, Supreme congratulations!! You da Man! Please say how the prop re-pitch worked out. Dan Helsper Poplar Grove IL (till Sunday) -----Original Message----- From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] Sent: Fri, Oct 5, 2012 7:36 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: pilot in command, Gary Boothe Would the owner/operator of NX308MB please step forward to accept this award Here=99s a huge round of applause for achieving the ultimate dream of every homebuilder Gary: flying your hand-built creation for the very first time. Way to go bro. Mike C. " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:21:11 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: pilot in command, Gary Boothe From: "AircamperN11MS" Congratulations Gary, I finally got logged in again. It is great to hear about your great successes. Keep it up buddy. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384693#384693 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:06 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib milestone From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" Absolutely 2732, I engraved a part number on each and every one.. :D -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384694#384694 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 06:59:12 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Congrats Gary! Way to go Gary!! ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:42 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! From: Robert Bush Way to go Gary, happy for you! Randy Bush NX294RB Sent from my iPhone On Oct 4, 2012, at 10:52 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > Following are some musings about the Phase 1 flight testing for NX308MB > > Having not logged any time since 1984, I made the decision to turn over Ph ase 1 testing to CFI/Test Pilot, Roy Richardson. I found that, when the time came, that brash confidence which dominated my flying in my youth had been r eplaced with a calmer patience. It had never been my intent to let someone e lse have the pleasure of the first flight, but I couldn=99t ignore the good fortune of finding the right person at the right time. Certainly it wo uld have been far less expensive to merely get current, then do my own test f lights, and having over 200 hrs of tail wheel time I wasn=99t concerne d about take offs and landings, but, for once in my life, I couldn=99t quiet that little voice, and Safety took the lead. > > Previously, I have explained my feelings of relief during the first few fl ights, watching from a distance. Eventually, I became accustomed to my role a s =98Crew Chief=99, tweaking, adjusting and repairing every big a nd little complaint that the pilot reported. As all of you who have built yo ur own planes can testify, there is no trepidation about making repairs; and , if you have also built your own engines, you have confidence there, too. T o me, this became the final chapter of the building processwithout a ny of the stress of those early flights. > > Roy addressed Phase 1 professionally, and quickly; flying the required 40 h ours in less than a month. He carried with him the =98Owner=99s M anual=99 that I had copied from someone else, making notations and cha nges where needed. We had long conversations about his discoveries (this was the first Pietenpol he had seen!), and how much he enjoyed how it flies. Ea ger to get the opportunity to fly myself, I was glad that he devoted so much time to it, and found the extra waiting time to be helpful in understanding what to expect. > > Flying with a CFI has never been relaxing or fun, but that flight, tonight , for me was still exciting and rewarding. The evening started with me stopp ing by the hangar to complete some maintenance, when Roy showed up. We start ed talking, and, wellyou knowone thing led to another and p retty soon we up in the air, with me in the rear cockpit!! The BFR checkride went without issue and, before long, I was up by myself! I doubt if I am ca pable of describing those feelings, or at least doing justice to the whole e vent (those who have been there will understand), but I can say that I think it was especially sweet knowing that I did not need to be concerned about t he mechanics or design of my plane, and needed only to concentrate on my fly ing. > > Definetly, I am not saying that I recommend this process to anyone, only t hat it worked for me. It=99s quite possible that I could have done my o wn first flight and subsequent Phase 1 flying, and had no lasting bad experi ences; but I do know that there were a number of minor issues that were imme diately apparent upon that first lift off, and a rusty old pilot would have b een busy. > > I wish all of you Pietenpol builders the pleasure I have experienced in th e building process, and the pleasure of your eventual first flight! > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:28 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! Nice to hear Gary! Sounds like the plane is dialed in and ready for you to be pilot in command. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:17 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! Wow! Congratulations Gary!!! I think you took the phase 1 40 hours exactly like my former employer; Boeing Airplane Co., would have a new model aircraft. I can still remember my first solo flight vividly and that was 59 years ago. Again congratulations and can't wait to see that beautiful Piet in person. Jim B. ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:11 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: pilot in command, Gary Boothe Hi Again Gary, Sounds like your Piet performs very well with your prop. Your climb solo and with two is good. I don't remember my dad's old Aeronca Champ doing that well. About the Corvair numbers; you are climbing out at 3000 rpm? Cruising at 2700 rpm at ~72mph. What static rpm are you getting now that you refined your prop? Cheers, Jim B. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:15 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Rib milestone Curt I wish my eyes were that good! Cheers, Jim B. ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:51:45 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! From: Ray Krause Great job, Gary! I will stop in the first weekend that is available. I am anxious to see you r beautiful plane! Congratulations. Ray Krause Sent from my iPad On Oct 4, 2012, at 8:52 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: > > Following are some musings about the Phase 1 flight testing for NX308MB > > Having not logged any time since 1984, I made the decision to turn over Ph ase 1 testing to CFI/Test Pilot, Roy Richardson. I found that, when the time came, that brash confidence which dominated my flying in my youth had been r eplaced with a calmer patience. It had never been my intent to let someone e lse have the pleasure of the first flight, but I couldn=99t ignore the good fortune of finding the right person at the right time. Certainly it wo uld have been far less expensive to merely get current, then do my own test f lights, and having over 200 hrs of tail wheel time I wasn=99t concerne d about take offs and landings, but, for once in my life, I couldn=99t quiet that little voice, and Safety took the lead. > > Previously, I have explained my feelings of relief during the first few fl ights, watching from a distance. Eventually, I became accustomed to my role a s =98Crew Chief=99, tweaking, adjusting and repairing every big a nd little complaint that the pilot reported. As all of you who have built yo ur own planes can testify, there is no trepidation about making repairs; and , if you have also built your own engines, you have confidence there, too. T o me, this became the final chapter of the building processwithout a ny of the stress of those early flights. > > Roy addressed Phase 1 professionally, and quickly; flying the required 40 h ours in less than a month. He carried with him the =98Owner=99s M anual=99 that I had copied from someone else, making notations and cha nges where needed. We had long conversations about his discoveries (this was the first Pietenpol he had seen!), and how much he enjoyed how it flies. Ea ger to get the opportunity to fly myself, I was glad that he devoted so much time to it, and found the extra waiting time to be helpful in understanding what to expect. > > Flying with a CFI has never been relaxing or fun, but that flight, tonight , for me was still exciting and rewarding. The evening started with me stopp ing by the hangar to complete some maintenance, when Roy showed up. We start ed talking, and, wellyou knowone thing led to another and p retty soon we up in the air, with me in the rear cockpit!! The BFR checkride went without issue and, before long, I was up by myself! I doubt if I am ca pable of describing those feelings, or at least doing justice to the whole e vent (those who have been there will understand), but I can say that I think it was especially sweet knowing that I did not need to be concerned about t he mechanics or design of my plane, and needed only to concentrate on my fly ing. > > Definetly, I am not saying that I recommend this process to anyone, only t hat it worked for me. It=99s quite possible that I could have done my o wn first flight and subsequent Phase 1 flying, and had no lasting bad experi ences; but I do know that there were a number of minor issues that were imme diately apparent upon that first lift off, and a rusty old pilot would have b een busy. > > I wish all of you Pietenpol builders the pleasure I have experienced in th e building process, and the pleasure of your eventual first flight! > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:00:21 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! From: "K5YAC" Way to go Gary! -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384707#384707 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:06:44 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: pilot in command, Gary Boothe Yes, 3000-3100 on climb out. At 2700, cruise appears to be about 72mph. Since re-conditioning my prop, I have not done a static run-up. My brakes are still ineffective, but I have new brake linings to install, as suggested by Dan Helsper. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Boyer Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 7:43 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: pilot in command, Gary Boothe Hi Again Gary, Sounds like your Piet performs very well with your prop. Your climb solo and with two is good. I don't remember my dad's old Aeronca Champ doing that well. About the Corvair numbers; you are climbing out at 3000 rpm? Cruising at 2700 rpm at ~72mph. What static rpm are you getting now that you refined your prop? Cheers, Jim B. ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:02 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! From: "caldwrl" Gary... great job! I can only imagine the feeling at this time, but your example will lead me on. I look forward to flying in the same sky with you... someday soon, I hope. -------- Robert Caldwell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384712#384712 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:05 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ray Krause Ray =93 The email address I have for you does not appear to be functioning. Please send me a private note so that I can correct it. Thanks, Gary From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ray Krause Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 7:52 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! Great job, Gary! I will stop in the first weekend that is available. I am anxious to see your beautiful plane! Congratulations. Ray Krause Sent from my iPad On Oct 4, 2012, at 8:52 PM, "Gary Boothe" wrote: Following are some musings about the Phase 1 flight testing for NX308MB Having not logged any time since 1984, I made the decision to turn over Phase 1 testing to CFI/Test Pilot, Roy Richardson. I found that, when the time came, that brash confidence which dominated my flying in my youth had been replaced with a calmer patience. It had never been my intent to let someone else have the pleasure of the first flight, but I couldn=99t ignore the good fortune of finding the right person at the right time. Certainly it would have been far less expensive to merely get current, then do my own test flights, and having over 200 hrs of tail wheel time I wasn=99t concerned about take offs and landings, but, for once in my life, I couldn=99t quiet that little voice, and Safety took the lead. Previously, I have explained my feelings of relief during the first few flights, watching from a distance. Eventually, I became accustomed to my role as =98Crew Chief=99, tweaking, adjusting and repairing every big and little complaint that the pilot reported. As all of you who have built your own planes can testify, there is no trepidation about making repairs; and, if you have also built your own engines, you have confidence there, too. To me, this became the final chapter of the building processwithout any of the stress of those early flights. Roy addressed Phase 1 professionally, and quickly; flying the required 40 hours in less than a month. He carried with him the =98Owner=99s Manual=99 that I had copied from someone else, making notations and changes where needed. We had long conversations about his discoveries (this was the first Pietenpol he had seen!), and how much he enjoyed how it flies. Eager to get the opportunity to fly myself, I was glad that he devoted so much time to it, and found the extra waiting time to be helpful in understanding what to expect. Flying with a CFI has never been relaxing or fun, but that flight, tonight, for me was still exciting and rewarding. The evening started with me stopping by the hangar to complete some maintenance, when Roy showed up. We started talking, and, wellyou knowone thing led to another and pretty soon we up in the air, with me in the rear cockpit!! The BFR checkride went without issue and, before long, I was up by myself! I doubt if I am capable of describing those feelings, or at least doing justice to the whole event (those who have been there will understand), but I can say that I think it was especially sweet knowing that I did not need to be concerned about the mechanics or design of my plane, and needed only to concentrate on my flying. Definetly, I am not saying that I recommend this process to anyone, only that it worked for me. It=99s quite possible that I could have done my own first flight and subsequent Phase 1 flying, and had no lasting bad experiences; but I do know that there were a number of minor issues that were immediately apparent upon that first lift off, and a rusty old pilot would have been busy. I wish all of you Pietenpol builders the pleasure I have experienced in the building process, and the pleasure of your eventual first flight! Gary Boothe NX308MB ========= >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List ========= cs.com ========= matronics.com/contribution ========= ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 08:37:10 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: pilot in command, Gary Boothe [bowing..humbly] Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 5:36 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: pilot in command, Gary Boothe Would the owner/operator of NX308MB please step forward to accept this award.. Here's a huge round of applause for achieving the ultimate dream of every homebuilder Gary: flying your hand-built creation for the very first time. Way to go bro. Mike C. ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:44 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: pilot in command, Gary Boothe On 10/05/2012 10:06 AM, Gary Boothe wrote: > Yes, 3000-3100 on climb out. At 2700, cruise appears to be about 72mph. > Since re-conditioning my prop, I have not done a static run-up. My > brakes are still ineffective, but I have new brake linings to install, > as suggested by Dan Helsper. As long as they hold your plane still up to 1500RPM while you do your mag check, your brakes are fine. Oh... And your prop spins the wrong way, too! ;-D This is absolutely fantastic news, Gary. I am truly humbled by you and the rest of the people who complete and fly their own heavier-than-air craft. That sort of personal accomplishment is something I hope to replicate some time in my life (maybe after I get my two girls through college...). Congratulations on a job superbly done! Cheers! Dan do not archive ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 09:19:04 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: pilot in command, Gary Boothe From: "Don Emch" Gary, That is awesome news! Congratulations! Being up there by yourself for the first time is an amazing experience. It's like the thing is finally alive. There really is no way to fully describe it! Good luck and be careful!! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384719#384719 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 11:14:47 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: From my CFI List, Below, kind words, no doubt, from my instructor/test pilot. I forward this, not for the commentary on my own plane because I have been to Brodhead and have seen true, lasting craftsmanship, but because I think it speaks to the Pietenpol community as a whole. Roy has done a fair amount of background reading on Pietenpols, but he really has no inkling about all of you, and how this could be directed to anyone of you. He has accomplishments which include CFI, ATP, Rotorcraft and is rumored to have over 15,000 hrs! Pilots at my airport hale him as "the best stick & rudder instructor" they know (of course, they don't know you CFI's in Pietenpol Land). His opinion of the airplanes we build and fly is gratifying. Funny story: Yesterday, while re-fueling, as usual, I collected some gawkers. One was a nice old guy who had just flown in in a RV-whatever. He said, "It's been a long time since I have seen a Pietenpol, and that's a damn nice-looking one!" "It oughta be.it's fresh off the factory floor." "No kidding? I didn't know they were back in business!" Gary Boothe NX308MB From: Roy Richardson [mailto:royc_richardson@hotmail.com] Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 8:44 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! Thanks Gary! Rarely in a pilot's career does one get the opportunity to meet and fly with a true craftsman....the whole experience with you and the Piet has been a real highlight in my career. In one short month, I got to fly a plane that took me back to how flying must have been in the 20's and 30's...no radios, cold, loud, windy, incredible. Knowing that the airplane was professionally built and by someone who paid attention to detail; who listened to my concerns and complaints and fixed them immediately...no matter how small. In my opinion, your plan and your execution was perfect! Watching you leave with the Pietenpol was as, if not more, exciting as soloing a student for the first time. You have an amazing gift that you can now completely share with others. You can now see things the way few people on this Earth can. Enjoy every minute of time with your amazing airplane! Thanks again for allowing me to be a part of this great experience! Roy _____ From: gboothe5@comcast.net Subject: FW: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! Thanks, again, Roy!! Hope your pictures turned out better than mine! Following is my post to my fellow Pietenpolers. Gary From: Gary Boothe [mailto:gboothe5@comcast.net] Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 8:53 PM Subject: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! Following are some musings about the Phase 1 flight testing for NX308MB. Having not logged any time since 1984, I made the decision to turn over Phase 1 testing to CFI/Test Pilot, Roy Richardson. I found that, when the time came, that brash confidence which dominated my flying in my youth had been replaced with a calmer patience. It had never been my intent to let someone else have the pleasure of the first flight, but I couldn't ignore the good fortune of finding the right person at the right time. Certainly it would have been far less expensive to merely get current, then do my own test flights, and having over 200 hrs of tail wheel time I wasn't concerned about take offs and landings, but, for once in my life, I couldn't quiet that little voice, and Safety took the lead. Previously, I have explained my feelings of relief during the first few flights, watching from a distance. Eventually, I became accustomed to my role as 'Crew Chief', tweaking, adjusting and repairing every big and little complaint that the pilot reported. As all of you who have built your own planes can testify, there is no trepidation about making repairs; and, if you have also built your own engines, you have confidence there, too. To me, this became the final chapter of the building process.without any of the stress of those early flights. Roy addressed Phase 1 professionally, and quickly; flying the required 40 hours in less than a month. He carried with him the 'Owner's Manual' that I had copied from someone else, making notations and changes where needed. We had long conversations about his discoveries (this was the first Pietenpol he had seen!), and how much he enjoyed how it flies. Eager to get the opportunity to fly myself, I was glad that he devoted so much time to it, and found the extra waiting time to be helpful in understanding what to expect. Flying with a CFI has never been relaxing or fun, but that flight, tonight, for me was still exciting and rewarding. The evening started with me stopping by the hangar to complete some maintenance, when Roy showed up. We started talking, and, well.you know.one thing led to another and pretty soon we up in the air, with me in the rear cockpit!! The BFR checkride went without issue and, before long, I was up by myself! I doubt if I am capable of describing those feelings, or at least doing justice to the whole event (those who have been there will understand), but I can say that I think it was especially sweet knowing that I did not need to be concerned about the mechanics or design of my plane, and needed only to concentrate on my flying. Definetly, I am not saying that I recommend this process to anyone, only that it worked for me. It's quite possible that I could have done my own first flight and subsequent Phase 1 flying, and had no lasting bad experiences; but I do know that there were a number of minor issues that were immediately apparent upon that first lift off, and a rusty old pilot would have been busy. I wish all of you Pietenpol builders the pleasure I have experienced in the building process, and the pleasure of your eventual first flight! Gary Boothe NX308MB ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 11:39:48 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: pilot in command, Gary Boothe From: "aerocarjake" Congratulations Gary - very inspirational. Now, back down the shop for me. (see, it is inspirational...!) -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384733#384733 ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 11:59:11 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: pilot in command, Gary Boothe From: "aerocarjake" Congratulations Gary - very inspirational. Now, back down the shop for me. (see, it is inspirational...!) -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384737#384737 ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 01:32:25 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: From my CFI From: "echobravo4" Wow Gary That's awesome! -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384749#384749 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:35 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Garys PIC Hey Gary, That's great stuff, congratulations my friend, fly safe and enjoy! John ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 09:49:52 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol Pilot - Now I are one! From: "Mark Roberts" Well done Mr. Boothe!! I believe a cross country is in order.... To Fresno! Maybe we could talk the Groahs to fly up and have a mini convention... I'll bring my camera and notebook :D Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384768#384768 ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 09:53:40 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: From my CFI From: "Mark Roberts" What a great letter! Really puts it in perspective the value of what we decided to make ours! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=384769#384769 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.