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1. 03:35 AM - Re: Piano hinge for aileron (Jack)
2. 03:37 AM - Re: Piano hinge for aileron (Jack)
3. 06:55 AM - Piano hinge for aileron (John Fay)
4. 08:26 AM - Re: Piano hinge for aileron (C N Campbell)
5. 08:26 AM - Re: Piano hinge for aileron (John Francis)
6. 08:37 AM - Re: Re: Piano hinge for aileron (Gary Boothe)
7. 08:50 AM - Re: Piano hinge for aileron (tools)
8. 09:07 AM - moving Scout (taildrags)
9. 09:08 AM - Re: Re: Piano hinge for aileron (Jim Markle)
10. 09:13 AM - Re: Hollywd (Jack Phillips)
11. 09:23 AM - Re: Hollywd (Gary Boothe)
12. 09:29 AM - Re: Hollywd (Jack Phillips)
13. 09:32 AM - Re: Piano hinge for aileron (John Francis)
14. 09:42 AM - Re: Re: Piano hinge for aileron (Gary Boothe)
15. 10:13 AM - Re: Hollywd (Jim Boyer)
16. 10:13 AM - Re: Piano hinge for aileron (John Francis)
17. 10:36 AM - Re: Hollywd (Bill Church)
18. 10:38 AM - Re: Piano hinge for aileron (tools)
19. 10:45 AM - Re: Re: Piano hinge for aileron (Dave Millikan)
20. 11:19 AM - Re: Hollywd http://youtu.be/Tc8FCFdiTPQ (wayne & cathy)
21. 11:25 AM - Hollywd (Dick N)
22. 11:55 AM - Re: Hollywd http://youtu.be/Tc8FCFdiTPQ (Jack Phillips)
23. 12:17 PM - Re: Re: Piano hinge for aileron (Gene Rambo)
24. 05:23 PM - Re: Re: Piano hinge for aileron (shad bell)
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| Subject: | Piano hinge for aileron |
John from the archives, mine are 2" rolled
Thanks for the picture. From what I can see it looks like you have the 2"
hinges
(i.e. 2 x 1" halves), assuming that the height of the aileron spar is about
2.5". How has this worked out for you? Any problems?
Steve-- that sounds about right on your size estimate for my hinges. I
couldn't
be happier with the aluminum piano hinges. They seal the gap making the
ailerons
much more
effective (and much less sluggish) and I have done literally ZERO
maintenance on
them in 11 years besides wiping them down when I clean the airplane. Love
em'. No regrets.
Mike C.
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Fay
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 9:36 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piano hinge for aileron
I have a question for Michael Cuy or any others who have mounted their
ailerons with piano hinge.
How long does the hinge need to be? Is six feet long enough, or is it
longer. And what size hinge is it? (How wide is it when it is opened
up flat?)
I am getting ready to order the hinge so I was wondering.
John Fay
in Peoria
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| Subject: | Piano hinge for aileron |
More info, mine are 6'
Chris, the one question you didn't ask and answer yourself was whether or
not to use a single 6' hinge per side, or multiple short pieces. Mike Cuy
used a single long hinge on each aileron. I used Tony Bingelis' suggestion
to use several short pieces so that any flex of the wing in flight doesn't
cause the ailerons to bind. Forget that stuff - use one long hinge. Much
easier to mount and keep it aligned. Also allows for easy removal of the
aileron by just pulling the hinge pin. Each of my pins are peened in place
and they can't be removed, meaning if I have to remove an aileron, I have to
remove all those screws.
If I flexed my wing enough to cause the hinges to bind I'd pass out from the
G loading.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Jack Textor
DSM
NX1929T
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Fay
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 9:36 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piano hinge for aileron
I have a question for Michael Cuy or any others who have mounted their
ailerons with piano hinge.
How long does the hinge need to be? Is six feet long enough, or is it
longer. And what size hinge is it? (How wide is it when it is opened
up flat?)
I am getting ready to order the hinge so I was wondering.
John Fay
in Peoria
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| Subject: | Piano hinge for aileron |
Thanks to all of you who replied to the question about the hinge you
used for your ailerons. I know what I am going to order now.
John Fay
in Peoria
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| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge for aileron |
John, my aileron hinges are the MS 20257-5 from Aircraft Spruce. They are
6-feet long. They do not cover the complete length of the aileron. I split
the difference at the ends of the hinge. Chuck
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From: "John Fay" <jfay1950@gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 10:36 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piano hinge for aileron
>
> I have a question for Michael Cuy or any others who have mounted their
> ailerons with piano hinge.
>
> How long does the hinge need to be? Is six feet long enough, or is it
> longer. And what size hinge is it? (How wide is it when it is opened
> up flat?)
> I am getting ready to order the hinge so I was wondering.
>
> John Fay
> in Peoria
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge for aileron |
I'm dealing with the piano hinge now. The first image shows a pretty straight joint
however the second shows how the hinge is bowed about a 1/16 of an inch along
its' length. Should this be corrected with planing/sanding?
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| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge for aileron |
John,
My guess is, Yes, some straightening is called for, but the only area that
matters is right at the hinge itself...2 hours of work, tops!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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I'm dealing with the piano hinge now. The first image shows a pretty
straight joint however the second shows how the hinge is bowed about a 1/16
of an inch along its' length. Should this be corrected with planing/sanding?
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John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge for aileron |
If your ribs are all the same, then the bow is being transmitted from the spar.
So, might want to see if you can correct the bow with the anti-drag wires.
If not, do like mentioned and just plane the wing and shim behind the hinge on
the aileron (or glue in a little strip and reshape).
You're definitely going to want that hinge as straight as possible.
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Booked my one-way commercial flight down to TX for Nov. 16. The wings will come
off the airplane, we'll load it in the back of a Penske van, and I should be
back in Oregon the day before Thanksgiving. I need to do a little work on the
airplane before reassembling and rejigging (new cooling eyebrows, for one thing),
and I don't think I've ever washed the top of the wings completely since
owning the airplane. This will be a good chance to do some maintenance before
we get back in the air. Annual condx inspection is due, so is my Airman 2nd
Class medical. Maybe we'll be flying again by Christmas. I will be based at
Medford.
I'm looking forward to visiting the N. California builders/pilots in the spring.
do not archive
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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And here is a picture of her, with her Pietenpol. Maybe she should come to
Brodhead one year?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TriScout
Sent: Saturday, October 06, 2012 10:44 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hollywd
Of interest: I came across a link of actors past and present that fly.
There's an actress that had a Piet..
Michelle Goodeve (Apr 22, 1952). Tv actress, screenwriter. Owned Aeronca
7AC, de Havilland Tiger Moth, Luscombe, Piper Tri-Pacer, Pietenpol Air
Camper. Aviation films: roles as pilot in tv series Barnstormers (2005),
Danger Bay (1986), Vulcan EFTS (1987), White Fang (1993).
http://www.aerofiles.com/00stars.html
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She looks better in her gear than I do in mine.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Phillips
Sent: Sunday, October 07, 2012 9:13 AM
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Hollywd
And here is a picture of her, with her Pietenpol. Maybe she should come to
Brodhead one year?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hollywd
Of interest: I came across a link of actors past and present that fly.
There's an actress that had a Piet..
Michelle Goodeve (Apr 22, 1952). Tv actress, screenwriter. Owned Aeronca
7AC, de Havilland Tiger Moth, Luscombe, Piper Tri-Pacer, Pietenpol Air
Camper. Aviation films: roles as pilot in tv series Barnstormers (2005),
Danger Bay (1986), Vulcan EFTS (1987), White Fang (1993).
http://www.aerofiles.com/00stars.html
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Probably looks even better out of it.
_____
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Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Hollywd
She looks better in her gear than I do in mine.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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Phillips
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Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Hollywd
And here is a picture of her, with her Pietenpol. Maybe she should come to
Brodhead one year?
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Subject: Pietenpol-List: Hollywd
Of interest: I came across a link of actors past and present that fly.
There's an actress that had a Piet..
Michelle Goodeve (Apr 22, 1952). Tv actress, screenwriter. Owned Aeronca
7AC, de Havilland Tiger Moth, Luscombe, Piper Tri-Pacer, Pietenpol Air
Camper. Aviation films: roles as pilot in tv series Barnstormers (2005),
Danger Bay (1986), Vulcan EFTS (1987), White Fang (1993).
http://www.aerofiles.com/00stars.html
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| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge for aileron |
It appears the bump in the front aileron spar was transmitted via the ribs from
a bump in the rear main wing spar which is hard to see with the ribs on. I won't
trammel the wings to try to correct this as they are square and although
you might be able to correct this bump, you would twist the wings out of whack
someplace else. If you look closely at the attached image you will see a blue
chalk line I just made and it shows the bump. A hand plane should remedy this
but I will lose a 1/16 inch of material from that section of aileron spar.
Should I glue some 1/16 inch plywood on the back side for support?
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| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge for aileron |
John,
You only need to remove material at the top of the spar. I'm willing to bet
your life that it won't matter. ;-)
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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It appears the bump in the front aileron spar was transmitted via the ribs
from a bump in the rear main wing spar which is hard to see with the ribs
on. I won't trammel the wings to try to correct this as they are square and
although you might be able to correct this bump, you would twist the wings
out of whack someplace else. If you look closely at the attached image you
will see a blue chalk line I just made and it shows the bump. A hand plane
should remedy this but I will lose a 1/16 inch of material from that section
of aileron spar. Should I glue some 1/16 inch plywood on the back side for
support?
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John Francis
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Jack thanks for the pictures. It would be neat if she is still flying and still
has the Piet.
Jim B.
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| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge for aileron |
Correct Gary, just that 1" material the hinge attaches too. I still might add
some plywood pieces under the bolts in that area since it is my life you are betting
on.
[Shocked]
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John Francis
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Jim,
Michelle still has the Piet, and just recovered it a few years ago. I tried posting
a photo, but it wouldn't go through. I'll try again later when I'm at my
home computer, where I have access to my photos.
Bill C.
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| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge for aileron |
You're basically laminating on a piece of metal there, which is stronger than wood.
The loss of wood isn't going to matter. MIGHT want to add a few extra screws
in the part that attaches to the wing for piece of mind.
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| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge for aileron |
I was going to use piano hinge too, then it dawned on me
that the fastners were all in a line, not good
soooo I went to Ace- Aircraft Supply and bot
screen door hinges just like Bernard--- did.
fasteners- spread the lod across the 3 inch or so beam.
Dave- NX1QZ, Inverness,Fl
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From: John Francis <Mrkringles@msn.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piano hinge for aileron
Correct Gary, just that 1" material the hinge attaches too.- I still migh
t add some plywood pieces under the bolts in that area since it is my life
you are betting on.
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Michelle Goodeve is a canadian gal that has flown quite a number
of clasic aircraft. she is a fixture around the tiger boys group in
guelph ontario. she just recently restored a piet. that was found in a
barn north of there . the video shows her having fun in the first cub in
canada.
at the end of the video is a shot of a thruxton jackeroo (the only one
flying in the world) she usualy flys that at
some point in time belonged to her and her husband. she has quite an
aviation history.
wayne in waterloo on.
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Hasnt anyone noticed the 6 cyl engine over her shoulder. That jumped
out at me right away.
Dick N.
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Can't some of you Canadians convince her to make an appearance at Brodhead
next year? That would really be cool!
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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Michelle Goodeve is a canadian gal that has flown quite a number
of clasic aircraft. she is a fixture around the tiger boys group in
guelph ontario. she just recently restored a piet. that was found in a
barn north of there . the video shows her having fun in the first cub in
canada.
at the end of the video is a shot of a thruxton jackeroo (the only one
flying in the world) she usualy flys that at
some point in time belonged to her and her husband. she has quite an
aviation history.
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| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge for aileron |
I don't know about sanding. It is hard to tell from photo, but you might need
to pop the false spar loose and shim it straight before reattaching it.
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| Subject: | Re: Piano hinge for aileron |
You could simply shim the hinge streight with washers, shims etc, if it is
ony 1/16 or so.- we have a washer/shim on one of our aileron hinges and i
t hasn't been an issue in 320 hrs of flying.
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Shad
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I don't know about sanding.- It is hard to tell from photo, but you might
need to pop the false spar loose and shim it straight before reattaching i
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