---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 10/12/12: 28 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:55 AM - Re: Re: Tubing Coping (Jim Markle) 2. 05:11 AM - Re: Wood gear leg material? (Jerry Dotson) 3. 05:25 AM - Re: Re: Wheels (Michael Perez) 4. 06:14 AM - Re: Wheels (echobravo4) 5. 06:38 AM - UK incident (Douwe Blumberg) 6. 06:40 AM - Re: Re: Wheels (Michael Perez) 7. 07:05 AM - Re: Re: Wheels (Amsafetyc) 8. 07:07 AM - Re: UK incident (Gerry Holland) 9. 08:23 AM - Re: official fish scales (helspersew@aol.com) 10. 08:26 AM - Re: Re: Wheels (Jack) 11. 08:47 AM - Re: Re: Wheels (Michael Perez) 12. 09:39 AM - make sure your tailwheel steering springs are secure.... (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 13. 10:13 AM - Re: official fish scales (Andre Abreu) 14. 11:00 AM - Re: official fish scales (taildrags) 15. 11:55 AM - Re: official fish scales (helspersew@aol.com) 16. 03:04 PM - Re: official fish scales (Gene Rambo) 17. 03:04 PM - Fw: New to Pietenpol list (G) 18. 03:14 PM - Re: official fish scales (helspersew@aol.com) 19. 03:29 PM - Re: official fish scales (Gene Rambo) 20. 05:04 PM - Re: Fw: New to Pietenpol list (Dave Millikan) 21. 06:15 PM - Re: Fw: New to Pietenpol list (Dick N) 22. 06:16 PM - Re: Fw: New to Pietenpol list (Gary Boothe) 23. 06:17 PM - Re: official fish scales (Gary Boothe) 24. 06:22 PM - Re: Fw: New to Pietenpol list (Dick N) 25. 07:14 PM - Re: official fish scales (kevinpurtee) 26. 09:15 PM - Fuselage (biplan53) 27. 09:29 PM - Re: make sure your tailwheel steering springs are secure.... (biplan53) 28. 09:30 PM - Re: make sure your tailwheel steering springs are secure.... (biplan53) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:45 AM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tubing Coping I'm here....and where WOULD I go???? :-) Just be aware of the ID and OD and their relationship then go to the shop and keep makin' stuff...... -----Original Message----- >From: K5YAC >Sent: Oct 11, 2012 10:21 PM >To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tubing Coping > > >Jim... where did you go? Am I missing something on the tubing coping? > >-------- >Mark Chouinard >Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear > > >Read this topic online here: > >http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385156#385156 > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:11:26 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wood gear leg material? From: "Jerry Dotson" I used the cap strip. It was the same quality as the main spars. Bought it at ACS -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 First flight June 16,2012 Started building July, 2009 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385175#385175 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:25:07 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheels If you guys have one wheel loose laced or finished to use as a template, tr y doing the other wheel yourself. I had zero wheel lacing experience and la ced one of my wheels myself. It is really quite simple and quite rewarding. - It is very easy to see if you got something in the wrong place. The spo kes have a specific length and bend to go in specific locations, so it beco mes obvious when you try to fit a spoke in a location it is not meant to be . (Crossed laced spokes intended for brakes. The straight laced, radial spo kes will all be the same.) After loosed laced, mount wheel on an axle, (I used my actual axle clamped to my table) and true using a dial indicator. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:54 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheels From: "echobravo4" I wouldn't say cross-laced wheels are just for use with brakes- it makes a much stronger wheel- radial laced wheels are not as strong in side loads. Probably more info than anyone needs- but this is an excellent book on the subject The Bicycle Wheel Jobst Brandt -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385180#385180 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:38:17 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: UK incident Glad you're OK Gerry! ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:36 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheels True, not just for brakes, but required with brakes. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:25 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheels From: Amsafetyc I learned a valuable lesson about spokes long ago. I had ventured an attempt to adjust the spokes on my motorcycle so I began the process of harmonic evaluation. Tapping the spokes for sound the same ting sound at each Every time I got a thud I tightened the spoke by the time I finished, I could wave at the wheel and it would wave back at me. I never knew a rim could become oblong, wavy and rub the frame and swing in so many places all at the same time. I had a friend come over and rescue me it took hours to correct what took minutes to screw up. From then on I swore off spokes and spoke adjustment. It's better to call uncle than to venture that far into the unknown. Uncle didn't have a clue on fixing it either. A lesson learned and a process respected to those who have the know how to keep a wheel round and true John Not gonna do it! Sent from my iPhone On Oct 11, 2012, at 9:43 PM, "echobravo4" wrote: > > John > I'll let you know when I'm ready to start > no the wheels and you can get ahold of > "That guy"! > > -------- > Earl Brown > > I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385152#385152 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:07:04 AM PST US From: Gerry Holland Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: UK incident Thanks Douwe! Back from Australia and some great flying there so have a renewed sense of wanting another project. Taking my A75 for shock loading check and looking a two possible projects next week. The Corben must RIP. A man needs an Aircraft, Dog and Woman in that order! Only joking ladies! Flew in a Rotec 3600 powered Spacewalker in Oz. Brilliant airplane! Regards Gerry ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales From: helspersew@aol.com Oscar, Let me know when you are ready. I'll have it here to send you for your test . I am only the caretaker of the Official- Piet- List- Industrial- Fish Sca le. It now belongs to the ages!! This is an incentive to carve another prop . I am the low man on the totem pole with my lousy 260 lbs! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Oscar Zuniga Sent: Thu, Oct 11, 2012 11:14 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales How does one go about getting on the circulation list for the Official Fish Scales? It seems that the Scales have so far been limited to use by prop carvers, but I would be interested in knowing how Scout fares with the A75 and wood prop. I also have a Prince prop for it and would be interested in a "fish head to fish head" comparison between the two if I had the scales available and could run one and then the other. I will not have Scout up here and ready for testing until November, but wou ld be happy to pay shipping over and back if the Official Scales are availa ble to non-carvers. Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:32 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheels From: Jack What Michael not a stainless rim, omg... :) Do not archive Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Oct 12, 2012, at 7:24 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > > If you guys have one wheel loose laced or finished to use as a template, t ry doing the other wheel yourself. I had zero wheel lacing experience and la ced one of my wheels myself. It is really quite simple and quite rewarding. It is very easy to see if you got something in the wrong place. The spokes h ave a specific length and bend to go in specific locations, so it becomes ob vious when you try to fit a spoke in a location it is not meant to be. (Cros sed laced spokes intended for brakes. The straight laced, radial spokes will all be the same.) > > After loosed laced, mount wheel on an axle, (I used my actual axle clamped to my table) and true using a dial indicator. > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:57 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Wheels It's true. Custom made SS rims are a little pricey!- So I went with unpol ished aluminum. The savings in weight and $$ made me feel better about it. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com =0A ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:39:33 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: make sure your tailwheel steering springs are secure.... We lost a spring on our Champ tailwheel steering years ago and almost groun dlooped. Here's a scary result of losing a spring on landing. Make sure those things won't pop off. Even if they do you can still contro l directionally with prop blasts over the rudder. Mike C. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGOwcnGts4s&feature=related ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 10:13:16 AM PST US From: Andre Abreu Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales Is there something special about this particular scale? Thanks Andy Abreu Toledo Ohio Pietenpol A65 N6186L --- On Fri, 10/12/12, helspersew@aol.com wrote: From: helspersew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales =0AOscar,=0A=0A-=0A=0ALet me know when you are ready. I'll have it here t o send you for your test. I am only the caretaker of the Official- Piet- Li st- Industrial- Fish Scale. It now belongs to the ages!!-This is an incen tive to carve another prop. I am the low man on the totem pole with my lous y 260 lbs!=0A=0A-=0A=0ADan Helsper=0A=0APuryear, TN=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A---- -Original Message----- =0AFrom: Oscar Zuniga =0ATo: Pietenpol List =0ASent: Thu, Oct 11, 2012 11:14 pm =0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A How does one go about getting on the circulation list-for the Official Fi sh Scales?- It seems that the Scales have so far been limited to use by p rop carvers, but I would be interested in knowing how Scout fares with the A75 and wood prop.- I also have a Prince prop for it and would be interes ted in a "fish-head to fish head" comparison between the two if I had the scales available and could run one and then the other. =0A- =0AI will not have Scout up here and ready for testing until November, but would be happy to pay shipping over and back if the Official Scales are ava ilable to non-carvers. =0A- =0AOscar Zuniga =0AMedford, OR =0AAir Camper NX41CC "Scout" =0AA75 power =0A =0A=0A=0A=0A=0A" target="_blank">http://www.matr onics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Atp://forums.matronics.com=0A_blank">ht =================0A=0A ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:00:15 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: official fish scales From: "taildrags" It is rumored that Bernard Pietenpol used the Official Scales to weigh all of the walleye and muskies that he caught, and that he used the Scales to check static thrust of his very first airplane. Some say that his fingerprints can still be seen (faintly) on the housing. Its readouts are unerring and rock-solid, and it's not for nothing that these Scales are also known as the "Piet De-Liar" since they always tell the truth. do not archive -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385207#385207 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:55:06 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales From: helspersew@aol.com No, other than it is a "controlled" fish scale, and the same one used by (s o far) three of us. So it conveys a certain amount of reliable information when it comes to a thrust measurement as compared to other Piets. :O) Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Andre Abreu Sent: Fri, Oct 12, 2012 12:13 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales Is there something special about this particular scale? Thanks Andy Abreu Toledo Ohio Pietenpol A65 N6186L --- On Fri, 10/12/12, helspersew@aol.com wrote: From: helspersew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales Oscar, Let me know when you are ready. I'll have it here to send you for your test . I am only the caretaker of the Official- Piet- List- Industrial- Fish Sca le. It now belongs to the ages!! This is an incentive to carve another prop . I am the low man on the totem pole with my lousy 260 lbs! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Oscar Zuniga Sent: Thu, Oct 11, 2012 11:14 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales How does one go about getting on the circulation list for the Official Fish Scales? It seems that the Scales have so far been limited to use by prop carvers, but I would be interested in knowing how Scout fares with the A75 and wood prop. I also have a Prince prop for it and would be interested in a "fish head to fish head" comparison between the two if I had the scales available and could run one and then the other. I will not have Scout up here and ready for testing until November, but wou ld be happy to pay shipping over and back if the Official Scales are availa ble to non-carvers. Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matro=================== ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:04:10 PM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales Put me in line for the scale . . . I am ready to run the engine. Also=2C t o those of you running Model As=2C are you using pure water or some type of antifreeze?? It is starting to freeze here=2C so I am hesitant to fill it to run just to have to drain. Gene To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales From: helspersew@aol.com No=2C other than it is a "controlled" fish scale=2C and the same one used b y (so far) three of us. So it conveys a certain amount of reliable informat ion when it comes to a thrust measurement as compared to other Piets. :O) Dan Helsper Puryear=2C TN -----Original Message----- From: Andre Abreu Sent: Fri=2C Oct 12=2C 2012 12:13 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales Is there something special about this particular scale? Thanks Andy Abreu Toledo Ohio Pietenpol A65 N6186L --- On Fri=2C 10/12/12=2C helspersew@aol.com wrote: From: helspersew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales Oscar=2C Let me know when you are ready. I'll have it here to send you for your test . I am only the caretaker of the Official- Piet- List- Industrial- Fish Sca le. It now belongs to the ages!! This is an incentive to carve another prop . I am the low man on the totem pole with my lousy 260 lbs! Dan Helsper Puryear=2C TN -----Original Message----- From: Oscar Zuniga Sent: Thu=2C Oct 11=2C 2012 11:14 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales How does one go about getting on the circulation list for the Official Fish Scales? It seems that the Scales have so far been limited to use by prop carvers=2C but I would be interested in knowing how Scout fares with the A7 5 and wood prop. I also have a Prince prop for it and would be interested in a "fish head to fish head" comparison between the two if I had the scale s available and could run one and then the other. I will not have Scout up here and ready for testing until November=2C but w ould be happy to pay shipping over and back if the Official Scales are avai lable to non-carvers. Oscar Zuniga Medford=2C OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matro=================== " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:04:36 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: New to Pietenpol list From: G -------- Original Message -------- Subject: New to Pietenpol list From: G CC: Hello, all, I am Grant Ziebell and live in Savannah, TN. I had been considering building a Pietenpol for a while and have now taken the plunge. Plans are in hand, as is the Corvair conversion manual. I have been studying the plans and reviewing the archive contents of this invaluable list. Much to learn before the first sawdust flies. Is it worthwhile to purchase the "kits" from Aircraft Spruce or just develop my own wood needs list? I also read in the archives about McCormacks as a wood supplier. Is this a good way to go since I will not be able to actually go to their facility ans select the wood? Had the opportunity a few weeks ago to spend time with Randy Bush and Dan Helsper at the Beech River fly-in. Thanks, gentlemen, for the words of encouragement. I look forward to the building experience and would like to hear from 'horzpool' regarding his wider center section. Grant Ziebell Savannah, TN ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 03:14:03 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales From: helspersew@aol.com Per the advice of K. Perkins I run pure water. Its in a heated hangar for t he winter so I don't have to worry. As far as The Fish Scale goes, Gene sen d me your address off-list when you are ready. I expect to receive it back from Jeff Faith (along with some of his home-brewed beer) any day now :O) BTW how 'bout some photos? You're copying everything from others anyway, so there is no reason for secrecy. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Gene Rambo Sent: Fri, Oct 12, 2012 5:04 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales Put me in line for the scale . . . I am ready to run the engine. Also, to those of you running Model As, are you using pure water or some type of ant ifreeze?? It is starting to freeze here, so I am hesitant to fill it to ru n just to have to drain. Gene Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales From: helspersew@aol.com No, other than it is a "controlled" fish scale, and the same one used by (s o far) three of us. So it conveys a certain amount of reliable information when it comes to a thrust measurement as compared to other Piets. :O) Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Andre Abreu Sent: Fri, Oct 12, 2012 12:13 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales Is there something special about this particular scale? Thanks Andy Abreu Toledo Ohio Pietenpol A65 N6186L --- On Fri, 10/12/12, helspersew@aol.com wrote: From: helspersew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales Oscar, Let me know when you are ready. I'll have it here to send you for your test . I am only the caretaker of the Official- Piet- List- Industrial- Fish Sca le. It now belongs to the ages!! This is an incentive to carve another prop . I am the low man on the totem pole with my lousy 260 lbs! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Oscar Zuniga Sent: Thu, Oct 11, 2012 11:14 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales How does one go about getting on the circulation list for the Official Fish Scales? It seems that the Scales have so far been limited to use by prop carvers, but I would be interested in knowing how Scout fares with the A75 and wood prop. I also have a Prince prop for it and would be interested in a "fish head to fish head" comparison between the two if I had the scales available and could run one and then the other. I will not have Scout up here and ready for testing until November, but wou ld be happy to pay shipping over and back if the Official Scales are availa ble to non-carvers. Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matro=================== " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:29:58 PM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales After seeing Douwe's and Gary's airplanes=2C I am ashamed to show photos . . . . I am painting the wing as we speak. Just in case anyone was wonderi ng=2C it takes 1 1/2 gallons of dope to make a complete wet cross coat on a 30 ft one piece wing (2X completely around wing=2C one side to side=2C one up and down). Just finished my 5th cross coat . . . . Wet sand tomorrow =2C silver on sunday To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales From: helspersew@aol.com Per the advice of K. Perkins I run pure water. Its in a heated hangar for t he winter so I don't have to worry. As far as The Fish Scale goes=2C Gene s end me your address off-list when you are ready. I expect to receive it bac k from Jeff Faith (along with some of his home-brewed beer) any day now :O) BTW how 'bout some photos? You're copying everything from others anyway=2C so there is no reason for secrecy. Dan Helsper Puryear=2C TN -----Original Message----- From: Gene Rambo Sent: Fri=2C Oct 12=2C 2012 5:04 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales Put me in line for the scale . . . I am ready to run the engine. Also=2C t o those of you running Model As=2C are you using pure water or some type of antifreeze?? It is starting to freeze here=2C so I am hesitant to fill it to run just to have to drain. Gene Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales From: helspersew@aol.com No=2C other than it is a "controlled" fish scale=2C and the same one used b y (so far) three of us. So it conveys a certain amount of reliable informat ion when it comes to a thrust measurement as compared to other Piets. :O) Dan Helsper Puryear=2C TN -----Original Message----- From: Andre Abreu Sent: Fri=2C Oct 12=2C 2012 12:13 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales Is there something special about this particular scale? Thanks Andy Abreu Toledo Ohio Pietenpol A65 N6186L --- On Fri=2C 10/12/12=2C helspersew@aol.com wrote: From: helspersew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales Oscar=2C Let me know when you are ready. I'll have it here to send you for your test . I am only the caretaker of the Official- Piet- List- Industrial- Fish Sca le. It now belongs to the ages!! This is an incentive to carve another prop . I am the low man on the totem pole with my lousy 260 lbs! Dan Helsper Puryear=2C TN -----Original Message----- From: Oscar Zuniga Sent: Thu=2C Oct 11=2C 2012 11:14 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales How does one go about getting on the circulation list for the Official Fish Scales? It seems that the Scales have so far been limited to use by prop carvers=2C but I would be interested in knowing how Scout fares with the A7 5 and wood prop. I also have a Prince prop for it and would be interested in a "fish head to fish head" comparison between the two if I had the scale s available and could run one and then the other. I will not have Scout up here and ready for testing until November=2C but w ould be happy to pay shipping over and back if the Official Scales are avai lable to non-carvers. Oscar Zuniga Medford=2C OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matro=================== " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:04:28 PM PST US From: Dave Millikan Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: New to Pietenpol list Welcome,..I am 2 yrs into a pete.wings and tail are built, fuse 10 %. Steel fuse, have made many changes, moved wing aft based on William Wynes c g- measurements at Brodhead 2010 and 2011. 3 ft ctr- section bbig aq$$ wheels from airdromes and aeroplanes in Misso uri. Dave-- N11DMX@yahoo.com --- On Fri, 10/12/12, G wrote: From: G Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: New to Pietenpol list -------- Original Message -------- Subject: New to Pietenpol list From: G CC: Hello, all, I am Grant Ziebell and live in Savannah, TN.- I had been considering buil ding a Pietenpol for a while and have now taken the plunge.- Plans are in hand,- as is the Corvair conversion manual. I have been studying the plans and reviewing the archive contents of this i nvaluable list.- Much to learn before the first sawdust flies. Is it worthwhile to purchase the "kits" from Aircraft Spruce or just develo p my own wood needs list? I also read in the archives about McCormacks as a wood supplier.- Is this a good way to go since I will not be able to actually go to their facility ans select the wood? Had the opportunity a few weeks ago to spend time with Randy Bush and Dan H elsper at the Beech River fly-in.- Thanks, gentlemen, for the- words of encouragement. I look forward to the building experience and would like to hear from 'horz pool' regarding- his wider center section.- Grant Ziebell Savannah, TN le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 06:15:44 PM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: New to Pietenpol list Hey Grant Are you a member of the Brodhead Pietenpol Assn.? If so go to Page 15, there is an ad for wood from Bill Rewey, it looks like a great deal at $750 for Brodhead Pietenpol assnnough wood to build a Piet. Bills ph# is 608-833-5839. He lives near Madison, Wi. If you arent a member you should join, send a $20 check to Brodhead Pietenpol Assn Box 3501 Oshkosh, Wi. 54903 Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "G" Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 5:05 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: New to Pietenpol list -------- Original Message -------- Subject: New to Pietenpol list From: G CC: Hello, all, I am Grant Ziebell and live in Savannah, TN. I had been considering building a Pietenpol for a while and have now taken the plunge. Plans are in hand, as is the Corvair conversion manual. I have been studying the plans and reviewing the archive contents of this invaluable list. Much to learn before the first sawdust flies. Is it worthwhile to purchase the "kits" from Aircraft Spruce or just develop my own wood needs list? I also read in the archives about McCormacks as a wood supplier. Is this a good way to go since I will not be able to actually go to their facility ans select the wood? Had the opportunity a few weeks ago to spend time with Randy Bush and Dan Helsper at the Beech River fly-in. Thanks, gentlemen, for the words of encouragement. I look forward to the building experience and would like to hear from 'horzpool' regarding his wider center section. Grant Ziebell Savannah, TN ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:16:08 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: New to Pietenpol list Welcome, Grant!! I cannot comment on buying wood kits, as I purchased all mine (Poplar) from a local wood supplier. I can say, though, that if you spent time with Randy and Dan and still want to be involved in the Pietenpol community you will do great! ;-) Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of G Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 3:05 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: New to Pietenpol list -------- Original Message -------- Subject: New to Pietenpol list From: G CC: Hello, all, I am Grant Ziebell and live in Savannah, TN. I had been considering building a Pietenpol for a while and have now taken the plunge. Plans are in hand, as is the Corvair conversion manual. I have been studying the plans and reviewing the archive contents of this invaluable list. Much to learn before the first sawdust flies. Is it worthwhile to purchase the "kits" from Aircraft Spruce or just develop my own wood needs list? I also read in the archives about McCormacks as a wood supplier. Is this a good way to go since I will not be able to actually go to their facility ans select the wood? Had the opportunity a few weeks ago to spend time with Randy Bush and Dan Helsper at the Beech River fly-in. Thanks, gentlemen, for the words of encouragement. I look forward to the building experience and would like to hear from 'horzpool' regarding his wider center section. Grant Ziebell Savannah, TN ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:31 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales I smell a rat! Dan - make him show the pictures! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 3:30 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales After seeing Douwe's and Gary's airplanes, I am ashamed to show photos . . . . I am painting the wing as we speak. Just in case anyone was wondering, it takes 1 1/2 gallons of dope to make a complete wet cross coat on a 30 ft one piece wing (2X completely around wing, one side to side, one up and down). Just finished my 5th cross coat . . . . Wet sand tomorrow, silver on sunday _____ Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales From: helspersew@aol.com Per the advice of K. Perkins I run pure water. Its in a heated hangar for the winter so I don't have to worry. As far as The Fish Scale goes, Gene send me your address off-list when you are ready. I expect to receive it back from Jeff Faith (along with some of his home-brewed beer) any day now :O) BTW how 'bout some photos? You're copying everything from others anyway, so there is no reason for secrecy. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Gene Rambo Sent: Fri, Oct 12, 2012 5:04 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales Put me in line for the scale . . . I am ready to run the engine. Also, to those of you running Model As, are you using pure water or some type of antifreeze?? It is starting to freeze here, so I am hesitant to fill it to run just to have to drain. Gene _____ Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales From: helspersew@aol.com No, other than it is a "controlled" fish scale, and the same one used by (so far) three of us. So it conveys a certain amount of reliable information when it comes to a thrust measurement as compared to other Piets. :O) Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Andre Abreu Sent: Fri, Oct 12, 2012 12:13 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales Is there something special about this particular scale? Thanks Andy Abreu Toledo Ohio Pietenpol A65 N6186L --- On Fri, 10/12/12, helspersew@aol.com wrote: From: helspersew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales Oscar, Let me know when you are ready. I'll have it here to send you for your test. I am only the caretaker of the Official- Piet- List- Industrial- Fish Scale. It now belongs to the ages!! This is an incentive to carve another prop. I am the low man on the totem pole with my lousy 260 lbs! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Oscar Zuniga Sent: Thu, Oct 11, 2012 11:14 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales How does one go about getting on the circulation list for the Official Fish Scales? It seems that the Scales have so far been limited to use by prop carvers, but I would be interested in knowing how Scout fares with the A75 and wood prop. I also have a Prince prop for it and would be interested in a "fish head to fish head" comparison between the two if I had the scales available and could run one and then the other. I will not have Scout up here and ready for testing until November, but would be happy to pay shipping over and back if the Official Scales are available to non-carvers. Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matro=================== " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:22:41 PM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: New to Pietenpol list Hi again Grant Sorry , I didnt read your whole sending off the last post. The 2" wider fuse I belive is some what un-necessary. I know some will disagree with that so sit in one first and see how you feel after that. Best luck to you. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "G" Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 5:05 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fwd: New to Pietenpol list -------- Original Message -------- Subject: New to Pietenpol list From: G CC: Hello, all, I am Grant Ziebell and live in Savannah, TN. I had been considering building a Pietenpol for a while and have now taken the plunge. Plans are in hand, as is the Corvair conversion manual. I have been studying the plans and reviewing the archive contents of this invaluable list. Much to learn before the first sawdust flies. Is it worthwhile to purchase the "kits" from Aircraft Spruce or just develop my own wood needs list? I also read in the archives about McCormacks as a wood supplier. Is this a good way to go since I will not be able to actually go to their facility ans select the wood? Had the opportunity a few weeks ago to spend time with Randy Bush and Dan Helsper at the Beech River fly-in. Thanks, gentlemen, for the words of encouragement. I look forward to the building experience and would like to hear from 'horzpool' regarding his wider center section. Grant Ziebell Savannah, TN ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 07:14:16 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: official fish scales From: "kevinpurtee" Yeah, his airplane is outstanding old-school. I've seen pics. do not archive -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385227#385227 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:23 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Fuselage From: "biplan53" Well after much hesitation,trying to plan ahead,cutting and fitting I have both sides of a steel fuselage hanging on the wall. I added a door on the left side and 6 inches to the front. You guys bear with me I am trying to get a good work schedule going. -------- Building steel fuselage aircamper. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385229#385229 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 09:29:55 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: make sure your tailwheel steering springs are secure.... From: "biplan53" In 1996 a good friend and I flew his Arctic Tern to Oshkosh When I was tying the tail down I found the tail spring at top of the hole about to come loose. I almost fainted,Kip had just got finished rebuilding the plane from a so called friends bad landing. I had landed the plane at Oshkosh and Kip would have blown a gasket if I had ground looped and bent the plane.[/b] -------- Building steel fuselage aircamper. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385230#385230 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:02 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: make sure your tailwheel steering springs are secure.... From: "biplan53" In 1996 a good friend and I flew his Arctic Tern to Oshkosh When I was tying the tail down I found the tail spring at top of the hole about to come loose. I almost fainted,Kip had just got finished rebuilding the plane from a so called friends bad landing. I had landed the plane at Oshkosh and Kip would have blown a gasket if I had ground looped and bent the plane.[/b] -------- Building steel fuselage aircamper. 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