---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 10/13/12: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:22 AM - Re: make sure your tailwheel steering springs are secure.... (Jerry Dotson) 2. 05:18 AM - radiator fluid (Douwe Blumberg) 3. 05:59 AM - Re: Re: make sure your tailwheel steering springs are secure.... (Jim Boyer) 4. 06:00 AM - official fish scales (Donald Lane) 5. 09:34 AM - Re: Fuselage (aerocarjake) 6. 12:42 PM - Re: radiator fluid (BYD) 7. 01:27 PM - Re: Re: radiator fluid (Gene Rambo) 8. 03:17 PM - Re: radiator fluid (BYD) 9. 04:07 PM - Re: Re: radiator fluid (airlion) 10. 06:12 PM - Re: Tubing Coping (K5YAC) 11. 09:52 PM - Re: make sure your tailwheel steering springs are secure.... (Steve Ruse) 12. 11:27 PM - Re: Re: radiator fluid (Clif Dawson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:22:03 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: make sure your tailwheel steering springs are secure.... From: "Jerry Dotson" I flew the Stinson SR-9C waay back when....late 60's/early 70's. It had no provision for tail wheel steering. You could not even lock it. It was just a full swivel caster on a big scale. Taxiing was the worst part in a cross wind you had to ride the brake on the downwind side to keep it from making like a weather vane. It was a friends plane who also owned a Beech D-17. I flew the Stinson to fly-ins for him so he could show both planes. It is the most comfortable and quiet airplane I ever flew. It had 1/4" glass not plexiglass I think was why it was so quiet. It was not a very efficient plane.....125 mph and 14 gallons an hour!!! -------- Jerry Dotson 59 Daniel Johnson Rd Baker, FL 32531 First flight June 16,2012 Started building July, 2009 21" wheels Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385236#385236 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/stinson_sr_9c_915.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:04 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: radiator fluid Hey Gene, I had to keep at least a 50/50 mix in my Ford during the winters. I once cracked a block on a auto engine conversion project I had sitting in my studio and it was a real bummer! Don't risk it! Douwe ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:47 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: make sure your tailwheel steering springs are secure.... Hi Jerry, The gull wing Stinson is one=C2- of the most beautiful airplanes ever I t hink. A local dentist in Redfield SD had one and I always loved seeing it. Never had a ride in one unfortunately but maybe someday! Thanks for the picture. Jim B. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:24 AM PST US From: "Donald Lane" Subject: Pietenpol-List: official fish scales Am using water with water pump lube added, Zerex product from NAPA, per Ken Perkins. I drain it when needed to protect from freezing. I would also like to get in line for the official fish scales. I am running a home carved propeller, copied from another, origin unknown. I am interested to see how it compares. Don Lane Minnesott Beach NC ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:34:53 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Fuselage From: "aerocarjake" Cool.... Post a picture when you get a chance...! Do not archive -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385248#385248 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:42:57 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: radiator fluid From: "BYD" In seeking answers about the Model-A I look to those who went before me and those with experience. Those with experience would be the model-A clubs and their presence is abundant on the web. Some of those who went before me are on this list, some are not. Both camps advocate a 50/50 mix of antifreeze and water during the winter so thats set. During the summer, some advocate pure water (distilled) and some the addition of WaterWetter to that distilled water. The question is do you want the best, or whats adequate? Depending on your flying and location, a 50/50 mix could work year round. I fly in a low altitude and cool environment so Ill start by using the 50/50 mix and if my temps stay where I want them, Ill use it year round if I lived in Colorado or the deep south I might need to run a different seasonal mix. I like the KISS methodology and like to use products that can be found easily from multiple sources particularly if I plan on cross-country travel so I often ask myself, could I find this at a country store. Water alone can be had anywhere. Anti-freeze, just about. Redline WaterWetter, not so much. Read http://www.rockymountainmodelaclub.org/Cooling_System_Fluids_v2007.pdf for a dissertation about cooling fluids for the Model-A and search other Model-A websites. Another area for study will be engine oil. Ive found that newer oils are not best for the Model-A due to lack of zinc (an anti-pollution move). If you use oil with higher rating than SAE SF then adding ZDDPLUS will restore it to the SF levels. Using plain 30wt HD oil will prevent you from having to add an additive and can be found in automotive, hardware and even some grocery stores (so it may pass my country store test). Half the fun of running these old time engines is learning the folklore that goes with them, but be wary of falling into the trap of needing the absolute best or scientifically the best. The most eloquent solutions are dirt simple and readily available. Ill run a 50/50 mix and watch my temps. If I find myself in the southwest desert in a heat spell running high temps, I may drain it out and replace it with pure water knowing Ill find antifreeze by winter. Best of luck and enjoy the ride! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385253#385253 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:27:14 PM PST US From: Gene Rambo Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: radiator fluid the 50/50 mix may well work for cars=2C but you might find yourself lifting paint off of your aircraft or poisoning yourself or both as the aircraft a pplication does leak from time to time. I think I'll stick with water and drain it after running. Gene > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: radiator fluid > From: billsayre@ymail.com > Date: Sat=2C 13 Oct 2012 12:42:35 -0700 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > In seeking answers about the Model-A I look to those who went before me a nd those with experience. Those with experience would be the model-A clubs and their presence is abundant on the web. Some of those who went before me are on this list=2C some are not. Both camps advocate a 50/50 mix of an tifreeze and water during the winter so that=99s set. During the sum mer=2C some advocate pure water (distilled) and some the addition of WaterW etter to that distilled water. The question is do you want the best=2C or what=99s adequate? > > Depending on your flying and location=2C a 50/50 mix could work year roun d. I fly in a low altitude and cool environment so I=99ll start by u sing the 50/50 mix and if my temps stay where I want them=2C I=99ll u se it year round =93 if I lived in Colorado or the deep south I might need to run a different seasonal mix. I like the KISS methodology and lik e to use products that can be found easily from multiple sources particular ly if I plan on cross-country travel so I often ask myself=2C could I find this at a country store. Water alone can be had anywhere. Anti-freeze=2C just about. Redline WaterWetter=2C not so much. > > Read http://www.rockymountainmodelaclub.org/Cooling_System_Fluids_v2007.p df for a dissertation about cooling fluids for the Model-A and search other Model-A websites. > > Another area for study will be engine oil. I=99ve found that newer oils are not best for the Model-A due to lack of zinc (an anti-pollution m ove). If you use oil with higher rating than SAE SF then adding ZDDPLUS wi ll restore it to the SF levels. Using plain 30wt HD oil will prevent you f rom having to add an additive and can be found in automotive=2C hardware an d even some grocery stores (so it may pass my country store test). > > Half the fun of running these old time engines is learning the folklore t hat goes with them=2C but be wary of falling into the trap of needing the a bsolute best or scientifically the best. The most eloquent solutions are d irt simple and readily available. > > I=99ll run a 50/50 mix and watch my temps. If I find myself in the southwest desert in a heat spell running high temps=2C I may drain it out and replace it with pure water knowing I=99ll find antifreeze by wint er. > > Best of luck and enjoy the ride! > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385253#385253 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:17:09 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: radiator fluid From: "BYD" I did have leaks on the first run especially - loose clamps that hadn't set in with the heat et cetera, but I didn't lose any paint (Latex) and I only have an occasional facial twitch so far. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385257#385257 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 04:07:37 PM PST US From: airlion Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: radiator fluid I have to reply to this one tho I am not a rariator man except in my car. A few years ago I picked up a piece of metal and sliced my fuel tank abt 4 inches. pouring out fuel I made it to a RV repair shop 2 miles away. They could not fix it but suggested I rub a bar of soap on the crack which I did and drove the car for a month before replacing the tank. I t did not leak. Another suggestion was if you had a radiator leak you should pour a cup of EGG white in and it would seal it. HAVE NOT HAD TO USE THAT ONE. cHEERS, Gardiner Mason ----- Original Message ---- From: BYD Sent: Sat, October 13, 2012 3:43:27 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: radiator fluid In seeking answers about the Model-A I look to those who went before me and those with experience. Those with experience would be the model-A clubs and their presence is abundant on the web. Some of those who went before me are on this list, some are not. Both camps advocate a 50/50 mix of antifreeze and water during the winter so thats set. During the summer, some advocate pure water (distilled) and some the addition of WaterWetter to that distilled water. The question is do you want the best, or whats adequate? Depending on your flying and location, a 50/50 mix could work year round. I fly in a low altitude and cool environment so Ill start by using the 50/50 mix and if my temps stay where I want them, Ill use it year round if I lived in Colorado or the deep south I might need to run a different seasonal mix. I like the KISS methodology and like to use products that can be found easily from multiple sources particularly if I plan on cross-country travel so I often ask myself, could I find this at a country store. Water alone can be had anywhere. Anti-freeze, just about. Redline WaterWetter, not so much. Read http://www.rockymountainmodelaclub.org/Cooling_System_Fluids_v2007.pdf for a dissertation about cooling fluids for the Model-A and search other Model-A websites. Another area for study will be engine oil. Ive found that newer oils are not best for the Model-A due to lack of zinc (an anti-pollution move). If you use oil with higher rating than SAE SF then adding ZDDPLUS will restore it to the SF levels. Using plain 30wt HD oil will prevent you from having to add an additive and can be found in automotive, hardware and even some grocery stores (so it may pass my country store test). Half the fun of running these old time engines is learning the folklore that goes with them, but be wary of falling into the trap of needing the absolute best or scientifically the best. The most eloquent solutions are dirt simple and readily available. Ill run a 50/50 mix and watch my temps. If I find myself in the southwest desert in a heat spell running high temps, I may drain it out and replace it with pure water knowing Ill find antifreeze by winter. Best of luck and enjoy the ride! Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385253#385253 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:12:11 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Tubing Coping From: "K5YAC" Soooo... I'm reading through the notes page for the Tube Coping Calculator I posted at the beginning of this thread... you know how it goes... open package, play with new tool and THEN read instructions. Anyhow... it clearly states right in the notes that, "specifying the tube's wall thickness makes the cut fit to the inside diameter of the tube, which makes it easier to fit, and makes a nice notch for welding." Perhaps THIS is the reason I had good success with my first attempt? LOL! I still visualize a nicely contoured notch with flush fitting edges that are tapered to the mating tube, which would mean that the ID and OD would be considered, but I can see where in my current application (landing gear), where heavy walled tube is going to be welded, the ID and notched edge is preferred. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385261#385261 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:12 PM PST US From: "Steve Ruse" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: make sure your tailwheel steering springs are secure.... Good reminder Mike. After losing a tailwheel spring on my GN-1 the day I bought it, I thought it was a good idea to secure the springs. Now I keep them safety wired where the spring can't just pop off when there is no tension. I haven't had one come loose in ~8 years. Steve Ruse Norman, OK From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] Sent: Friday, October 12, 2012 11:39 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: make sure your tailwheel steering springs are secure.... We lost a spring on our Champ tailwheel steering years ago and almost groundlooped. Here's a scary result of losing a spring on landing. Make sure those things won't pop off. Even if they do you can still control directionally with prop blasts over the rudder. Mike C. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGOwcnGts4s&feature=related ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:27:57 PM PST US From: "Clif Dawson" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: radiator fluid I've used pepper many times in car and truck rads. Strange how these things happen after your vehicle travels a few hundred thousand miles. :-) Another trick is to use your lady's nylons to replace a broken fan belt. I wonder if Waldo ever had occasion to use that one on his Hisso. Clif The Early Bird may get the worm but the second mouse gets the cheese. > I have to reply to this one tho I am not a rariator man except in my car.. > Another suggestion was > if you had a radiator leak you should pour a cup of EGG white in and it > would > seal it. HAVE NOT HAD TO USE THAT ONE. > cHEERS, Gardiner Mason ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.