Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Mon 10/15/12


Total Messages Posted: 9



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     1. 05:38 AM - Re: Re: radiator fluid (Greg Bacon)
     2. 08:55 AM - nose fuel tank supports (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
     3. 09:06 AM - "fish scale" (Ralph)
     4. 09:29 AM - which Bingelis book (TOM MICHELLE BRANT)
     5. 09:55 AM - Re: which Bingelis book (Ryan Mueller)
     6. 10:19 AM - Re: which Bingelis book (K5YAC)
     7. 10:23 AM - Re: which Bingelis book (Michael Perez)
     8. 10:25 AM - Re: Re: which Bingelis book (Ken Bickers)
     9. 02:38 PM - Piet fuse and tail feathers on craigslist (gabenner)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:38:13 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: radiator fluid
    From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67@gmail.com>
    I've been working in commercial and industrial water treatment for 15 years, so I feel compelled to share my two cents here. Distilled water is corrosive, especially with respect to steel. I don't recommend using distilled water unless you add a corrosion inhibitor. Name brand automotive coolants have pH buffers and corrosion inhibitors that do a good job preventing corrosion. Typically, a 50/50 glycol mix only reduces heat transfer by approximately 10%. Not a big deal. Greg Bacon On Sat, Oct 13, 2012 at 2:42 PM, BYD <billsayre@ymail.com> wrote: > > In seeking answers about the Model-A I look to those who went before me > and those with experience. Those with experience would be the model-A > clubs and their presence is abundant on the web. Some of those who went > before me are on this list, some are not. Both camps advocate a 50/50 mi x > of antifreeze and water during the winter so that=92s set. During the > summer, some advocate pure water (distilled) and some the addition of > WaterWetter to that distilled water. The question is do you want the bes t, > or what=92s adequate? > > Depending on your flying and location, a 50/50 mix could work year round. > I fly in a low altitude and cool environment so I=92ll start by using th e > 50/50 mix and if my temps stay where I want them, I=92ll use it year roun d ' > if I lived in Colorado or the deep south I might need to run a different > seasonal mix. I like the KISS methodology and like to use products that > can be found easily from multiple sources particularly if I plan on > cross-country travel so I often ask myself, could I find this at a countr y > store. Water alone can be had anywhere. Anti-freeze, just about. Redli ne > WaterWetter, not so much. > > Read > http://www.rockymountainmodelaclub.org/Cooling_System_Fluids_v2007.pdffor a dissertation about cooling fluids for the Model-A and search other > Model-A websites. > > Another area for study will be engine oil. I=92ve found that newer oils are > not best for the Model-A due to lack of zinc (an anti-pollution move). I f > you use oil with higher rating than SAE SF then adding ZDDPLUS will resto re > it to the SF levels. Using plain 30wt HD oil will prevent you from havin g > to add an additive and can be found in automotive, hardware and even some > grocery stores (so it may pass my country store test). > > Half the fun of running these old time engines is learning the folklore > that goes with them, but be wary of falling into the trap of needing the > absolute best or scientifically the best. The most eloquent solutions ar e > dirt simple and readily available. > > I=92ll run a 50/50 mix and watch my temps. If I find myself in the > southwest desert in a heat spell running high temps, I may drain it out a nd > replace it with pure water knowing I=92ll find antifreeze by winter. > > Best of luck and enjoy the ride! > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385253#385253 > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > -- Greg Bacon


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    Time: 08:55:37 AM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: nose fuel tank supports
    Jack-I've got a few sketches of how I supported my nose fuel tank that Chri s Tracy was kind enough to post here of possible interest: http://www.westcoastpiet.com/images/Mike%20C uy%20A-65%20Piet/mike_cuy_3.htm Mike C.


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    Time: 09:06:09 AM PST US
    From: "Ralph" <ralphhsd@itctel.com>
    Subject: "fish scale"
    I have been following the posts concerning the official =9Cfish scale=9D for measuring prop performance. Here in the Midwest a hardware store called =9CMAC=99S=9D has a =9Cbig game scale=9D with a 440 pound capacity. I haven=99t seen it yet but for the sale price of $12.99 I am going to check it out. The price is probably less than two shipping charges to use the =9COFFICIAL FISH SCALE=9D. Ralph in South Dakota


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    Time: 09:29:08 AM PST US
    From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant@msn.com>
    Subject: which Bingelis book
    I'm ordering one of the construction technique books by Bingelis but I see there are two which don't seem to be terribly different... Construction Te chniques and then there is Sport Plane Builder. Which one is preferred for the subject matters I'll need working on the Piet. Maybe it's best to buy both?? Tom B.


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    Time: 09:55:04 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: which Bingelis book
    From: Ryan Mueller <ryan@rmueller.org>
    This is what you should buy: http://www.shopeaa.com/bingelissetof4.aspx On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 11:28 AM, TOM MICHELLE BRANT <tmbrant@msn.com>wrote: > I'm ordering one of the construction technique books by Bingelis but I > see there are two which don't seem to be terribly different... > Construction Techniques and then there is Sport Plane Builder. Which one > is preferred for the subject matters I'll need working on the Piet. Maybe > it's best to buy both?? > > Tom B. > > * > > * > >


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    Time: 10:19:20 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: which Bingelis book
    From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
    I would recommend both, Tom... the two you mention are similar, but there are notable differences. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385374#385374


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    Time: 10:23:06 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: which Bingelis book
    Buy both because they do cover different subjects some and even the same subjects are show with different diagrams, photos and explanations. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 10:25:37 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: which Bingelis book
    From: Ken Bickers <bickers.ken@gmail.com>
    I'll second Mark and Ryan. While the topics are similar, I don't think there is any specific content shared across the Bingelis books. Ken On Mon, Oct 15, 2012 at 11:19 AM, K5YAC <hangar10@cox.net> wrote: > > I would recommend both, Tom... the two you mention are similar, but there are notable differences. > > -------- > Mark Chouinard > Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385374#385374 > >


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    Time: 02:38:07 PM PST US
    Subject: Piet fuse and tail feathers on craigslist
    From: "gabenner" <gbenner@bixbymachine.com>
    Hello, Search for craigslist spokane and then aircraft. Take care! Gary Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385404#385404




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