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1. 12:57 AM - Re: New Pietenpol Builder (jarheadpilot82)
2. 09:47 AM - Re: New Pietenpol Builder (tools)
3. 10:02 AM - Re: which Bingelis book (Barry Davis)
4. 10:51 AM - Re: Re: New Pietenpol Builder (ellery voge)
5. 11:07 AM - Re: Re: New Pietenpol Builder (Ken Bickers)
6. 12:58 PM - reducing the wingspan (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
7. 12:59 PM - Barry Davis fantastic quote (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
8. 05:12 PM - Re: reducing the wingspan (Allan Macklem)
9. 07:34 PM - I flew Re-PIET!!! (Douwe Blumberg)
10. 07:46 PM - Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! (Dave and Connie)
11. 07:57 PM - Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! (Andre Abreu)
12. 08:02 PM - Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! (Gary Boothe)
13. 08:52 PM - Re: nose fuel tank supports (taildrags)
14. 09:35 PM - Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! (K5YAC)
15. 09:42 PM - re piet (Dick N)
16. 10:05 PM - Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! (aerocarjake)
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| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Builder |
How big a passenger?
Are you sure the Pietenpol is for you? Build it light, and keep your passengers
small. To modify the airplane is to be your own aircraft designer.
Just my $.02
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Builder |
There's some small changes that are common enough that they are well vetted and
you're not really just starting over... such as...
A little more room between the wing and fuse. A little wider. The long fuse version
and of course some more horse power.
However, if you want something that's a little roomier and can routinely carry
passengers along, you might seriously consider a larger plane. A Bakeng Deuce
is a 2 hole open cockpit parasol for example.
If you just really really like the lines of a Piet, I'd consider the Bakeng and
changing the shape of tail feathers, cowling, etc rather than changing the Piet
too much.
This from someone who picked a Piet so he wouldn't have to do ANY designing himself!
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| Subject: | which Bingelis book |
Unless you are an experienced builder, then I would buy all 4. If you are an
experienced builder, then I would buy all 4.
Barry D
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM MICHELLE
BRANT
Sent: Monday, October 15, 2012 12:29 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: which Bingelis book
I'm ordering one of the construction technique books by Bingelis but I see
there are two which don't seem to be terribly different... Construction
Techniques and then there is Sport Plane Builder. Which one is preferred
for the subject matters I'll need working on the Piet. Maybe it's best to
buy both??
Tom B.
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| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Builder |
Has anyone tried reducing the wing span? Curious to know.
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Builder
> From: n0kkj@yahoo.com
> Date: Tue=2C 16 Oct 2012 09:47:00 -0700
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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> There's some small changes that are common enough that they are well vett
ed and you're not really just starting over... such as...
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> A little more room between the wing and fuse. A little wider. The long
fuse version and of course some more horse power.
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> However=2C if you want something that's a little roomier and can routinel
y carry passengers along=2C you might seriously consider a larger plane. A
Bakeng Deuce is a 2 hole open cockpit parasol for example.
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> If you just really really like the lines of a Piet=2C I'd consider the Ba
keng and changing the shape of tail feathers=2C cowling=2C etc rather than
changing the Piet too much.
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> This from someone who picked a Piet so he wouldn't have to do ANY designi
ng himself!
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> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385469#385469
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| Subject: | Re: New Pietenpol Builder |
I'm sure if it can be done, it has been done. I've never heard of
anyone thinking that a shorter wing span on a Pietenpol was a good
idea. Many people have advocated lengthening the wing span. I
lengthened mine by a total of 18 inches, hopefully to give somewhat
better climb performance at the high density altitudes where I'm
located. Not flying yet, but it looks nice in the hangar.
On Tue, Oct 16, 2012 at 11:50 AM, ellery voge <elleryvoge@hotmail.com> wrote:
> Has anyone tried reducing the wing span? Curious to know.
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>> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Pietenpol Builder
>> From: n0kkj@yahoo.com
>> Date: Tue, 16 Oct 2012 09:47:00 -0700
>> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
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>> There's some small changes that are common enough that they are well
>> vetted and you're not really just starting over... such as...
>>
>> A little more room between the wing and fuse. A little wider. The long
>> fuse version and of course some more horse power.
>>
>> However, if you want something that's a little roomier and can routinely
>> carry passengers along, you might seriously consider a larger plane. A
>> Bakeng Deuce is a 2 hole open cockpit parasol for example.
>>
>> If you just really really like the lines of a Piet, I'd consider the
>> Bakeng and changing the shape of tail feathers, cowling, etc rather than
>> changing the Piet too much.
>>
>> This from someone who picked a Piet so he wouldn't have to do ANY
>> designing himself!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385469#385469
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| Subject: | reducing the wingspan |
Ellery,
Welcome to the group and glad you're building a Pietenpol. This is a goo
d group of folks and there are some very talented
and extremely well versed and knowledgeable people on the list and most of
them are even housebroken:). !
I've never heard of anyone reducing the wingspan on a Piet but rather makin
g it longer. Most low power (65 horse Continentals and such)
planes of the 1940's like Taylorcrafts, Luscombes, Cubs, and Champs had win
gspans in the 35' range.
The Pietenpols wing is only 29' so making it a little longer is goodness in
that you will be able to lift more weight and that is important
if you're on a shorter field or high elevation...even on hotter days it wil
l help you.
I built my Pietenpol with the standard 29' wing but if I had to do it over
again I might make my center section wider as Jack Phillips
did and if not mistaken Bill Rewey-this gives you more wing area, greater l
ifting capability. I wouldn't hesitate to add 2-3 feet to
the overall length of my wing.
Whatever you built, Piet or other design, try your best to keep it light an
d it will then be a GOOD performing airplane. Most of us are
not 150 pound pilots like Bernard Pietenpol was so if you are heavier and y
ou want to take a full-size adult for a Piet ride your best bet
is too keep the plane light when building.
Nothing is more frightening than wondering if you're going to be able to cl
imb high enough on a hot day with a passenger to clear
the tops of telephone wires or tree tops. Every extra pound you add is on
e you'll have to take for each ride also.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Barry Davis fantastic quote |
Okay Barry-you are now my new hero. This is the best post I've seen on the
list ever:)!
In regard to the Tony Bingelis book series Barry writes:
Unless you are an experienced builder, then I would buy all 4. If you are a
n experienced builder, then I would buy all 4.
Barry D
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| Subject: | reducing the wingspan |
I'm interested in the pros and cons of lengthening the wings. I understand
more wing area = more lift. What are the negatives (decrease in speed?) and
how great are they?
Widening the center wing section must have is limitation in relationship to
the width of the fuselage. What width center section did Jack and Bill
achieve? Can the wing tips also be extended 12-18" on each side? Seems
like this would be about two ribs per wing.
If the wings are lengthened what are the major changes needed to support the
longer wings?
Allan Macklem
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael
D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 2:58 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: reducing the wingspan
Ellery,
Welcome to the group and glad you're building a Pietenpol. This is a good
group of folks and there are some very talented
and extremely well versed and knowledgeable people on the list and most of
them are even housebrokenJ. !
I've never heard of anyone reducing the wingspan on a Piet but rather making
it longer. Most low power (65 horse Continentals and such)
planes of the 1940's like Taylorcrafts, Luscombes, Cubs, and Champs had
wingspans in the 35' range.
The Pietenpols wing is only 29' so making it a little longer is goodness in
that you will be able to lift more weight and that is important
if you're on a shorter field or high elevation.even on hotter days it will
help you.
I built my Pietenpol with the standard 29' wing but if I had to do it over
again I might make my center section wider as Jack Phillips
did and if not mistaken Bill Rewey-this gives you more wing area, greater
lifting capability. I wouldn't hesitate to add 2-3 feet to
the overall length of my wing.
Whatever you built, Piet or other design, try your best to keep it light and
it will then be a GOOD performing airplane. Most of us are
not 150 pound pilots like Bernard Pietenpol was so if you are heavier and
you want to take a full-size adult for a Piet ride your best bet
is too keep the plane light when building.
Nothing is more frightening than wondering if you're going to be able to
climb high enough on a hot day with a passenger to clear
the tops of telephone wires or tree tops. Every extra pound you add is one
you'll have to take for each ride also.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | I flew Re-PIET!!! |
Well after ten years of work and a lifetime of daydreams, I flew "Re-PIET"
today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Flew from the asphalt runway near my house to a grass paradise an hour away
where she'll stay until I'm ready for pavement.
The flight could NOT have been better in any possible way. Engine temps
were good, (C-90 with Cloud Car prop) and she climbed very strongly (66
degree day with 12 gallons and 160 lb Douwe), about like the 85 horse Cub
I've been practicing in with two people aboard, but I didn't have a VSI so
I'm not sure.
GPS said cruise was 75, but there was a bit of a tailwind, so it was
probably more like 70.
Flew totally hands off, seriously! The almost 1" stab offset is perfect,
didn't need to touch the rudder to keep her straight and the servo elevator
trim worked beautifully, just push the switch to get whatever trim you want.
Was very pleased with that.
Practiced some stalls at about 1,000rpm like landing and almost couldn't get
her to break, she just mushed along. Power off was straight ahead and
clean.
Smoke system worked great, though I'll have to add some longer "downtubes"
off my long exhaust to keep unburnt oil off the tail.
Controls were super light and pleasant in all regards. Much nicer than the
cub I've been flying.
Landing was a non-event, except that the sun was directly in my eyes as it
was evening and the refraction through the two plexi windscreens precluded
ANY forward vis, plus the runway slants east so it was in the dark and I
could NOT see the runway. Had to go around once, then really had to feel my
way down, but it ended very nicely and she just settled down and tracked
very straight.
I didn't think I'd need goggles. I was wrong, I need them unless I sit
right up behind the windscreen.
Thanks all for your help, advice and encouragement through the years. Too
many to name, but I am hugely indebted to you all.
Just a lovely, lovely airplane in all regards...
Keep building gents, IT'S WORTH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! |
That grin says it all. Congratulations.
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! |
Douwe,
Wow... congratulation.- I have not experience building a Piet ... other t
han having the privileged to get my ticket in it.....- Great airplane in
my estimation.- It must have been a fantastic journey building a Piet.-
I only dream to build on a flying machine.- Hats off to you and the gent
leman.. God Rest His Soul... that build the "JOY" that I am so lucky to fly
whenever I want and the weather permits.
Andy
--- On Tue, 10/16/12, Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net> wrote:
From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: I flew Re-PIET!!!
Well after ten years of work and a lifetime of daydreams, I flew "Re-PIET"
today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Flew from the asphalt runway near my house to a grass paradise an hour away
where she'll stay until I'm ready for pavement.
The flight could NOT have been better in any possible way.- Engine temps
were good, (C-90 with Cloud Car prop) and she climbed very strongly (66
degree day with 12 gallons and 160 lb Douwe), about like the 85 horse Cub
I've been practicing in with two people aboard, but I didn't have a VSI so
I'm not sure.
GPS said cruise was 75, but there was a bit of a tailwind, so it was
probably more like 70.
Flew totally hands off, seriously!- The almost 1" stab offset is perfect,
didn't need to touch the rudder to keep her straight and the servo elevator
trim worked beautifully, just push the switch to get whatever trim you want
.
Was very pleased with that.
Practiced some stalls at about 1,000rpm like landing and almost couldn't ge
t
her to break, she just mushed along.- Power off was straight ahead and
clean.
Smoke system worked great, though I'll have to add some longer "downtubes"
off my long exhaust to keep unburnt oil off the tail.
Controls were super light and pleasant in all regards.- Much nicer than t
he
cub I've been flying.
Landing was a non-event, except that the sun was directly in my eyes as it
was evening and the refraction through the two plexi windscreens precluded
ANY forward vis, plus the runway slants east so it was in the dark and I
could NOT see the runway.- Had to go around once, then really had to feel
my
way down, but it ended very nicely and she just settled down and tracked
very straight.
I didn't think I'd need goggles.- I was wrong, I need them unless I sit
right up behind the windscreen.
Thanks all for your help, advice and encouragement through the years.- To
o
many to name, but I am hugely indebted to you all.
Just a lovely, lovely airplane in all regards...
Keep building gents, IT'S WORTH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Douwe
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| Subject: | I flew Re-PIET!!! |
Douwe,
You are a Pietenpol ICON!! and a real role model! Many happy landings...
Oh...Congratulations on making the newsletter front page!
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
Blumberg
Sent: Tuesday, October 16, 2012 7:35 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: I flew Re-PIET!!!
Well after ten years of work and a lifetime of daydreams, I flew "Re-PIET"
today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Flew from the asphalt runway near my house to a grass paradise an hour away
where she'll stay until I'm ready for pavement.
The flight could NOT have been better in any possible way. Engine temps
were good, (C-90 with Cloud Car prop) and she climbed very strongly (66
degree day with 12 gallons and 160 lb Douwe), about like the 85 horse Cub
I've been practicing in with two people aboard, but I didn't have a VSI so
I'm not sure.
GPS said cruise was 75, but there was a bit of a tailwind, so it was
probably more like 70.
Flew totally hands off, seriously! The almost 1" stab offset is perfect,
didn't need to touch the rudder to keep her straight and the servo elevator
trim worked beautifully, just push the switch to get whatever trim you want.
Was very pleased with that.
Practiced some stalls at about 1,000rpm like landing and almost couldn't get
her to break, she just mushed along. Power off was straight ahead and
clean.
Smoke system worked great, though I'll have to add some longer "downtubes"
off my long exhaust to keep unburnt oil off the tail.
Controls were super light and pleasant in all regards. Much nicer than the
cub I've been flying.
Landing was a non-event, except that the sun was directly in my eyes as it
was evening and the refraction through the two plexi windscreens precluded
ANY forward vis, plus the runway slants east so it was in the dark and I
could NOT see the runway. Had to go around once, then really had to feel my
way down, but it ended very nicely and she just settled down and tracked
very straight.
I didn't think I'd need goggles. I was wrong, I need them unless I sit
right up behind the windscreen.
Thanks all for your help, advice and encouragement through the years. Too
many to name, but I am hugely indebted to you all.
Just a lovely, lovely airplane in all regards...
Keep building gents, IT'S WORTH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: nose fuel tank supports |
And glean what you may from the photos of the tank and supports on "Scout", here:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/repairs/fueltank.html
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! |
Great report Douwe! I can't wait to experience your excitement. Hope mine flies
as nice as yours.
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Mark Chouinard
Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear
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Congratulations Douwe,
You really need to get some kind of endurance award for that project. I
really hope things go smoothly for you. Now you need to make it to
Brodhead next year.
Dick N.
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| Subject: | Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! |
VERY inspiring, thanks.... awesome.......!!
Do not archive
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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