---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 10/18/12: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:03 AM - Thank you guys!! (Douwe Blumberg) 2. 03:56 AM - Re: Re: reducing the wingspan (helspersew@aol.com) 3. 04:55 AM - Re: Ray's A-65 Engine Mount Question (Michael Perez) 4. 04:56 AM - Re: Re: reducing the wingspan (Michael Perez) 5. 06:19 AM - Re: Thank you guys!! (TOM STINEMETZE) 6. 07:01 AM - Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! (kevinpurtee) 7. 07:33 AM - Douwe's 1st flight (Timothy Willis) 8. 07:37 AM - Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! (Jim Boyer) 9. 07:49 AM - Re: Ray's A-65 Engine Mount Question (Ray Krause) 10. 08:12 AM - reducing the wingspan (Oscar Zuniga) 11. 08:17 AM - Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! (johnwoods@westnet.com.au) 12. 08:18 AM - nose fuel tank supports (Oscar Zuniga) 13. 09:08 AM - Re: reducing the wingspan (Michael Perez) 14. 10:28 AM - Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! (curtdm(at)gmail.com) 15. 12:49 PM - Re: nose fuel tank supports (Ray Krause) 16. 02:58 PM - Re: reducing the wingspan (taildrags) 17. 05:40 PM - Re: reducing the wingspan (nightmare) 18. 08:23 PM - Re: Ray's A-65 Engine Mount Question (taildrags) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:03:56 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Thank you guys!! Thank you all for your kind words, they are much valued and appreciated!! Thank you all who let me "pick your brains" through the years, over and over and over. and over and never got irritated but just kept helping. Thank you to all of you who helped in any way, big or small to get her rebuilt. Thank you all for the rides and encouragement through the years. It is truly a great feeling, but it was a bit surreal, like it just kind of happened and before I knew it I was landing. Yesterday morning's flights were almost more real and relaxing as I was over the airfield and not ferrying her over unknown territory. Regarding the trim.. The servo is in the left elevator, inboard. There is a inspection cover so I can get to it. I purchased a short length of robotic wire designed for movement (talcum powder inside between the wires). The wire comes out of the moveable surface right at the inner corner and then drops down under and goes into a small hole in the ply on the side of the tailpost in the fuse. There are inspection holes on the fuse back there for access to tailwheel bolts, elevator bolts etc and inside there are two quick connects to the permanently mounted wire that runs forward to the switch so I can just reach in there and "unplug" the servo if I need to remove the elevator. Will keep reporting as I gradually acquire accurate flight info, and sending pics! Douwe ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:56:12 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: reducing the wingspan From: helspersew@aol.com Of course, ban. -----Original Message----- From: gboothe5 Sent: Wed, Oct 17, 2012 8:22 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: reducing the wingspan I move that Paul be banned! ;-) Gary NX308MB ------Original Message------ From: nightmare Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: reducing the wingspan Sent: Oct 17, 2012 6:13 PM om> welcome; i believe piete lowell has a clipped wing. but he is using a Rible tt wing. a few of us are. im using the riblett ga 613.5 . most other riblett builders seem to be using the ga 612. the purists are going to band me for saying this, but..... if you weigh 250 lbs and want to carry passengers regularly, you may want to consider a higher lift wing like the riblett. be st of luck. great group here. Paul -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385596#385596 Sent on the Sprint=C2=AE Now Network from my BlackBerry=C2=AE ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:11 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ray's A-65 Engine Mount Question The idea is not my own, per say. I got it from the EAA website, in their home builder video section. There was a great engine mount video there and I just tweaked it to be used on our Pietenpols. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:56:31 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: reducing the wingspan You can ban me as well, (if not already...) because being a 612 builder myself, I agree with Paul! Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:47 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Thank you guys!! Thanks Douwe, that makes sense. Can you share where you go to buy "robotic wire?" Somehow that does not sound like something ACE Hardware - or even Aircraft Spruce - would carry. Tom Stinemetze N328Xray Regarding the trim.. The servo is in the left elevator, inboard. There is a inspection cover so I can get to it. I purchased a short length of robotic wire designed for movement (talcum powder inside between the wires). The wire comes out of the moveable surface right at the inner corner and then drops down under and goes into a small hole in the ply on the side of the tailpost in the fuse. There are inspection holes on the fuse back there for access to tailwheel bolts, elevator bolts etc and inside there are two quick connects to the permanently mounted wire that runs forward to the switch so I can just reach in there and unplug the servo if I need to remove the elevator. Douwe ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:25 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! From: "kevinpurtee" Congratulations, Douwe! We're delighted for you. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385622#385622 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:19 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Douwe's 1st flight From: Timothy Willis Congratulations. Great job. Inspiring. All the posted accolades are on the mark. Tim in central TX ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:37:43 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I flew Re-PIET!!! =C2-Well after ten years of work and a lifetime of daydreams, I flew "Re- PIET" today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Congratulations Douwe! You have a beautiful Re-Piet and glad you are now en joying flying it. Can't wait to see it at Brodhead. Jim B. ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:22 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ray's A-65 Engine Mount Question From: Ray Krause Mike, Thanks for the information on the A-65 mount. I will use your photos and th e video to figure it out. I have a great friend who will do the TIG welding . I have the engine case free of all other parts so it will be easy to get t he mounting holes correct! Thanks again, Ray Sent from my iPad On Oct 17, 2012, at 4:57 PM, Michael Perez wrote: > > Ray, forgive me for intruding on your question to Oscar, but I may be able to share some ideas on building an A-65 engine mount. Attached are picture s of how I made mine. The aluminum angle represent the fuselage brackets an d the round washers on the ends of the threaded rod represent the engine mou nting ears on the engine. Ideally, you lay out the locations for all of the se brackets/rods on the wood base and then install them. Since I manged to m ake my wood base too small, I had to bend two of the rods to get the dimensi ons correct. Had the wood been the right size, all rods would have been stra ight. > > Anyhoo, if interested feel free to contact me as I have a few more picture s and all the details to build this jig and do the welding. This jig makes i t a snap to dial in down and right thrust to just about anything you wish pr ior to welding. > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:34 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: reducing the wingspan Those of you who receive the BPA Newsletter will notice my little commentary on the Piet design in the current issue. I take no credit for the engineering or math... all I did was compare my Air Camper's dimensions and proportions to the "rule of thumb" formulae to see how it shapes up. The indications are that per the rules of thumb, the stock Air Camper can use a bit more wingspan. Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:09 AM PST US From: johnwoods@westnet.com.au Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I flew Re-PIET!!! Congratulations Douwe! Your smile certainly shows you are one proud owner of one of the finest examples of this classic flying machine. Best regards, John Woods Perth W Aust ----- "Jim Boyer" wrote: > > Well after ten years of work and a lifetime of daydreams, I flew "Re-PIET" > today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Congratulations Douwe! You have a beautiful Re-Piet and glad you are now enjoying flying it. Can't wait to see it at Brodhead. Jim B. > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:18:59 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: nose fuel tank supports Ray asks- >I have been meaning to ask you about your A 65 motor mount. >Are you using it on the 75(85) Engine,was it destroyed? I am using the same mount, since the mounts for the A65 and A75 are exactly the same. The mount was not damaged in the nose-over. >Did you make a new mount and did you build the jig for a new mount? Nope... no new mount, no jigs. All I've done since mounting the A75 is changed the shimming to add downthrust and right offset, and it's made a very positive difference in cruise trim. Mike Perez is on the right track there. >Will you be coming up I-5 on the way to Oregon? Need a place to stay, wanta ride in the Waiex? No, not coming up I-5 till I get to Mount Shasta. I'll need places to stay, but I've got the numbers (Super 8 and Motel 6). I'd love a ride in the Waiex! Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:51 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: reducing the wingspan ..and more vertical stab., less horizontal...if I read it right.- Had I k nown this, I would have tried a shorter horiz. stab. Good write up Oscar, thanks. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:28:26 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" You must be very proud of the artist who created that masterpiece! I bet it looks even better in person! Congratulations! -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385635#385635 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:49:15 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: nose fuel tank supports From: Ray Krause Thanks, Oscar. I always beat Motel 6 and Super 8 on both price and hospitality! If you come via I-80 I'm just off the route on Hiway 20. If you change your mind, let me know. Free food, free lodging and free flights... What else is there in life? Ray Sent from my iPad On Oct 18, 2012, at 8:18 AM, Oscar Zuniga wrote: > > > Ray asks- >> I have been meaning to ask you about your A 65 motor mount. >> Are you using it on the 75(85) Engine,was it destroyed? > I am using the same mount, since the mounts for the A65 and A75 are exactly the same. The mount was not damaged in the nose-over. >> Did you make a new mount and did you build the jig for a new mount? > Nope... no new mount, no jigs. All I've done since mounting the A75 is changed the shimming to add downthrust and right offset, and it's made a very positive difference in cruise trim. Mike Perez is on the right track there. >> Will you be coming up I-5 on the way to Oregon? Need a place to stay, wanta ride in the Waiex? > No, not coming up I-5 till I get to Mount Shasta. I'll need places to stay, but I've got the numbers (Super 8 and Motel 6). I'd love a ride in the Waiex! > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:58:42 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: reducing the wingspan From: "taildrags" Mike: got a Sawzall? You can take care of the horizontal stab area real quick ;o) do not archive -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385644#385644 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:10 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: reducing the wingspan From: "nightmare" if i get banned, im going on wikepedia and changing the piet specs to indicate it was designed with a riblett wing. hah -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385651#385651 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:26 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ray's A-65 Engine Mount Question From: "taildrags" Mike: It was suggested to me that the lower engine mount clusters be gusseted as well as the top ones, so when I made repairs to the airplane I had those gussets added to the mount. You can see them in several pictures here: http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/A75.html, but probably the last two pics on that page show them the closest-up. I suppose they do add some torsional rigidity to the setup and don't add appreciable weight. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385657#385657 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.