---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 10/19/12: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:57 AM - Re: Re: reducing the wingspan - Big Piet update (Barry Davis) 2. 06:30 AM - Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! (TriScout) 3. 06:43 AM - Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! (AircamperN11MS) 4. 06:52 AM - Re: reducing the wingspan - Big Piet update (AircamperN11MS) 5. 08:54 AM - Re: Re: reducing the wingspan - Big Piet update (Dick N) 6. 09:06 AM - Re: Re: reducing the wingspan - Big Piet update (Greg Bacon) 7. 11:03 AM - Re: Re: Ray's A-65 Engine Mount Question (Michael Perez) 8. 12:36 PM - Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! (Dan Yocum) 9. 06:27 PM - A Corvair Question for Corvair drivers (jarheadpilot82) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:42 AM PST US From: "Barry Davis" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: reducing the wingspan - Big Piet update A friend in Florida suggested that we: 1- add one rib bay per wing 2- Add 4" to stab 3- Add 4" to tail height. He has built several airplanes and Piets. We considered all his mod suggestions while we were drawing plans for the Big Piets. After some research, we ended up not doing any of the mods. We did in fact make the center section a lot wider. Bruce's plane (the blue and white one in the Piet-n-pile at Sun n Fun's Tornado Days) is now flying with Piper Colt wings. We modified the wings by taking off the rounded tips, adding a few ribs to the ends and making flat wingtips to look like a Piet wing. We are still tweaking the horiz incidence, washout and other stuff. First indications are that it will be faster than the other Big Piets. Bruce did put in Piper's recommended amount of dihedral, and it looks different. Frank's Big Piet (red and silver that ended up on top of the Piet n Pile) has been flying for some time now and everything is fine. Gardiner's Pietenpol (bottom of the pile) is just a few weeks away from rebirth. We are flying down to his place next week and go over the plane with a fine toothed comb. Barry Davis -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nightmare Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 8:40 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: reducing the wingspan --> if i get banned, im going on wikepedia and changing the piet specs to indicate it was designed with a riblett wing. hah -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385651#385651 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:30:41 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! From: "TriScout" That's Awsome! ... the photo shows the vertical stab offset. I tried to type in re-piet on youtube just incase you had a vid there, but this is all I come up with. Not sure if it's related... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IaM6VnjiUzo&feature=plcp Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385662#385662 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:13 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! From: "AircamperN11MS" Love the video. Although the fabric looks a little loose. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385663#385663 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:17 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: reducing the wingspan - Big Piet update From: "AircamperN11MS" Great to hear the updates. Way to go guys. I too have a piper wing. Mine is a wood spar clipped cub wing. Built to the Reed Clipped wing drawings with squared off tips. 27 feet in all. I wish it had two more feet of wing span. It would help a lot in high density alt situations and carrying two people. It too is a little faster than the stock Piets. WOT at sea level shows 100 MPH and WOT at 5000 it will indicate 93 MPH. Way to fast and not comfortable. I like flying it at about 70 or 75 MPH. More enjoyable that way. Keep up the good work. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385664#385664 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:54:03 AM PST US From: "Dick N" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: reducing the wingspan - Big Piet update Hi Barry I did the same thing on my last Piet, I belive my center section is now 38" wide. It made quite a bit of difference. Dick N. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Davis" Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 8:01 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: reducing the wingspan - Big Piet update > > A friend in Florida suggested that we: 1- add one rib bay per wing 2- Add > 4" to stab 3- Add 4" to tail height. > He has built several airplanes and Piets. We considered all his mod > suggestions while we were drawing plans for the Big Piets. After some > research, we ended up not doing any of the mods. We did in fact make the > center section a lot wider. > Bruce's plane (the blue and white one in the Piet-n-pile at Sun n Fun's > Tornado Days) is now flying with Piper Colt wings. We modified the wings > by > taking off the rounded tips, adding a few ribs to the ends and making flat > wingtips to look like a Piet wing. We are still tweaking the horiz > incidence, washout and other stuff. First indications are that it will be > faster than the other Big Piets. Bruce did put in Piper's recommended > amount > of dihedral, and it looks different. > Frank's Big Piet (red and silver that ended up on top of the Piet n Pile) > has been flying for some time now and everything is fine. Gardiner's > Pietenpol (bottom of the pile) is just a few weeks away from rebirth. We > are > flying down to his place next week and go over the plane with a fine > toothed > comb. > Barry Davis > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of nightmare > Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 8:40 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: reducing the wingspan > > --> > > if i get banned, im going on wikepedia and changing the piet specs to > indicate it was designed with a riblett wing. hah > > -------- > Paul Donahue > Started 8-3-12 > do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385651#385651 > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:06:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: reducing the wingspan - Big Piet update From: Greg Bacon Dick, What do you mean "made quite a bit of difference"? Are you referring to getting in and out of cockpit, or flight performance? I made Mtn Piet center section 36 inches instead of 29. This was based on Bill Rewey's recommendation. I love the look of the trailing edge cut-out. Although it was quite a woodworking challenge, it was worth the effort. Greg On Fri, Oct 19, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Dick N wrote: > > Hi Barry > I did the same thing on my last Piet, I belive my center section is now > 38" wide. It made quite a bit of difference. > Dick N. > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Barry Davis" > To: > Sent: Friday, October 19, 2012 8:01 AM > Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: reducing the wingspan - Big Piet update > > >> >> A friend in Florida suggested that we: 1- add one rib bay per wing 2- Add >> 4" to stab 3- Add 4" to tail height. >> He has built several airplanes and Piets. We considered all his mod >> suggestions while we were drawing plans for the Big Piets. After some >> research, we ended up not doing any of the mods. We did in fact make the >> center section a lot wider. >> Bruce's plane (the blue and white one in the Piet-n-pile at Sun n Fun's >> Tornado Days) is now flying with Piper Colt wings. We modified the wings >> by >> taking off the rounded tips, adding a few ribs to the ends and making flat >> wingtips to look like a Piet wing. We are still tweaking the horiz >> incidence, washout and other stuff. First indications are that it will be >> faster than the other Big Piets. Bruce did put in Piper's recommended >> amount >> of dihedral, and it looks different. >> Frank's Big Piet (red and silver that ended up on top of the Piet n Pile) >> has been flying for some time now and everything is fine. Gardiner's >> Pietenpol (bottom of the pile) is just a few weeks away from rebirth. We >> are >> flying down to his place next week and go over the plane with a fine >> toothed >> comb. >> Barry Davis >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@**matronics.com >> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-**server@matronics.com] >> On Behalf Of nightmare >> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2012 8:40 PM >> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com >> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: reducing the wingspan >> >> --> >> >> if i get banned, im going on wikepedia and changing the piet specs to >> indicate it was designed with a riblett wing. hah >> >> -------- >> Paul Donahue >> Started 8-3-12 >> do not archive >> >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/**viewtopic.php?p=385651#385651 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- Greg Bacon ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:03:55 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ray's A-65 Engine Mount Question Thanks for the note Oscar. With the lower engine members welded in an "X" pattern, I am not sure what adding these lower gussets achieve. Perhaps they do, but I just don't see it. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:36:53 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: I flew Re-PIET!!! Excellent! Great Job, Douwe! do not archive On 10/16/2012 09:35 PM, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > Well after ten years of work and a lifetime of daydreams, I flew "Re-PIET" > today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Flew from the asphalt runway near my house to a grass paradise an hour away > where she'll stay until I'm ready for pavement. > > The flight could NOT have been better in any possible way. Engine temps > were good, (C-90 with Cloud Car prop) and she climbed very strongly (66 > degree day with 12 gallons and 160 lb Douwe), about like the 85 horse Cub > I've been practicing in with two people aboard, but I didn't have a VSI so > I'm not sure. > > GPS said cruise was 75, but there was a bit of a tailwind, so it was > probably more like 70. > > Flew totally hands off, seriously! The almost 1" stab offset is perfect, > didn't need to touch the rudder to keep her straight and the servo elevator > trim worked beautifully, just push the switch to get whatever trim you want. > Was very pleased with that. > > Practiced some stalls at about 1,000rpm like landing and almost couldn't get > her to break, she just mushed along. Power off was straight ahead and > clean. > > Smoke system worked great, though I'll have to add some longer "downtubes" > off my long exhaust to keep unburnt oil off the tail. > > Controls were super light and pleasant in all regards. Much nicer than the > cub I've been flying. > > Landing was a non-event, except that the sun was directly in my eyes as it > was evening and the refraction through the two plexi windscreens precluded > ANY forward vis, plus the runway slants east so it was in the dark and I > could NOT see the runway. Had to go around once, then really had to feel my > way down, but it ended very nicely and she just settled down and tracked > very straight. > > I didn't think I'd need goggles. I was wrong, I need them unless I sit > right up behind the windscreen. > > Thanks all for your help, advice and encouragement through the years. Too > many to name, but I am hugely indebted to you all. > > Just a lovely, lovely airplane in all regards... > > Keep building gents, IT'S WORTH IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! > > Douwe ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:27:50 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: A Corvair Question for Corvair drivers From: "jarheadpilot82" I know that this post is not really specific to Pietenpol, but I thought that this was a good place to ask for help. So all of you A-65 pilots, Rotec pilots, )-200 pilots, etc. just roll on by as this will probably not interest you- I am going to a junkyard tomorrow that says they have 8 or 10 corvairs "off in the weeds". I have William Wynne's Manual as well as his disassembly dvd, but they do not really address the how to of pulling an engine from a corvair. I wrote William Wynne and he suggested that I have someone fax or email me a copy of the 2 pages from Finch's book, the 2 pages that deal with dropping the engine from a car. Can anyone help? Terry jarheadpilot82(at)hotmail.com P.S. Thanks for any help in advance. If it is easier to fax, contact me off-line and I will get my fax number to you. -------- Semper Fi, Terry Hand Athens, GA Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385678#385678 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.