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1. 05:44 AM - Going Flying (Jane and Fred)
2. 06:00 AM - Re: Going Flying (Greg Cardinal)
3. 06:09 AM - Re: Going Flying (pineymb)
4. 06:35 AM - Re: Going Flying (Ryan M)
5. 06:39 AM - Re: Going Flying (darmahboy@aol.com)
6. 09:55 AM - can a piet legally tow gliders (nightmare)
7. 10:15 AM - Re: can a piet legally tow gliders (Andre Abreu)
8. 10:55 AM - Re: can a piet legally tow gliders (Gmail)
9. 11:34 AM - Re: Going Flying (Gary Boothe)
10. 11:34 AM - Re: can a piet legally tow gliders (nightmare)
11. 03:40 PM - Re: can a piet legally tow gliders (Jerry Dotson)
12. 04:51 PM - Re: Going Flying (Greg Cardinal)
13. 06:54 PM - Re: can a piet legally tow gliders (nightmare)
14. 07:36 PM - Re: Going Flying (Greg Cardinal)
15. 08:24 PM - Re: Going Flying (biplan53)
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I hate when guys say they're going flying, then they go flying and then the
y don't post any pictures! ; )
Just kidding...kind of...
Best regards,
Fred B.
La Crosse, WI
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Subject: | Re: Going Flying |
Here you go, Fred...
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Jane and Fred
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 7:43 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying
I hate when guys say they're going flying, then they go flying and
then they don't post any pictures! ; )
Just kidding...kind of...
Best regards,
Fred B.
La Crosse, WI
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Subject: | Re: Going Flying |
About to go flying.....does that count???
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Subject: | Re: Going Flying |
Nice!! Where was that Greg?=0A=0ARyan M=0A=0A=0A___________________________
_____=0A From: Greg Cardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@m
atronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 9:00 AM=0ASubject: Re: Piete
npol-List: Going Flying=0A =0A=0A =0AHere you go, Fred...=0A-=0AGreg Card
inal=0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: Jane and Fred =0A>To: pietenp
ol-list@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 7:43 AM=0A>Subjec
t: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying=0A>=0A>I hate when guys say they're going
flying, then they go flying and then they don't post any pictures!- ; )
=0A>-=0A>Just kidding...kind of...=0A>-=0A>Best regards,=0A>Fred B.=0A>
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Subject: | Re: Going Flying |
Hey Greg, You on Line, What's the plan for today?
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Cardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net>
Sent: Sun, Oct 21, 2012 8:00 am
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying
Here you go, Fred...
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Jane and Fred
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 7:43 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying
I hate when guys say they're going flying, then they go flying and then t
hey don't post any pictures! ; )
Just kidding...kind of...
Best regards,
Fred B.
La Crosse, WI
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Subject: | can a piet legally tow gliders |
I believe "mountain Piet" has or is towing gliders, but can't seem to find a contact for him. my situation may be a bit different though. I'm having so much fun building my Piet, I thought it would be cool to also build a ULF-1. http://www.eel.de/english/home_en.htm its a wood and fabric plans built ultralight glider that is launched via tow or foot launch. This means my homebuilt would be towing a homebuilt. the glider meets the ultralight rule of 150 lbs or less. so i imagine i would have the option to "N" number it or not.
I also fly hang gliders, and our hang gliders are legally towed by experimental
LSA (E-LSA), but not sure about experimental-amateur built.
91.319 Aircraft having experimental
certificates: Operating limitations.
(a) No person may operate an aircraft
that has an experimental certificate
(1) For other than the purpose for
which the certificate was issued;
does the above mean that upon my piet being certified, i should have it stipulated
that it will be operated for towing gliders?
confusing subject. any one have any answers? thanks; Paul
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Paul Donahue
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Subject: | Re: can a piet legally tow gliders |
CFR 91.319 discusses experimental aircraft and towing
Not really sure what the conclusion is regarding towing.=C2- I'm thinking
it is not allowed though.
Andy Abreu
N6186L
--- On Sun, 10/21/12, nightmare <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com> wrote:
From: nightmare <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: can a piet legally tow gliders
om>
I believe "mountain Piet" has or is towing gliders, but can't seem to find
a contact for him. my situation may be a bit different though. I'm having s
o much fun building my Piet, I thought it would be cool to also build a ULF
-1.=C2- http://www.eel.de/english/home_en.htm=C2- its a wood and fabric
plans built ultralight glider that is launched via tow or foot launch. Thi
s means my homebuilt would be towing a homebuilt. the glider meets the ultr
alight rule of 150 lbs or less. so i imagine i would have the option to "N"
number it or not.
=C2-=C2-=C2-I also fly hang gliders, and our hang gliders are legally
towed by experimental LSA (E-LSA), but not sure about experimental-amateur
built.
=C2-=C2-=C2-=C3=82=C2=A7 91.319 Aircraft having experimental
certificates: Operating limitations.
(a) No person may operate an aircraft
that has an experimental certificate=C3=A2=82=AC=9D
(1) For other than the purpose for
which the certificate was issued;
=C2-=C2-=C2-does the above mean that upon my piet being certified, i
should have it stipulated that it will be operated for towing gliders?
=C2- =C2- confusing subject. any one have any answers? thanks; Paul
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Subject: | Re: can a piet legally tow gliders |
Mtn Piet has a tow hook, but I'm not sure if John Dilatush was serious about using
it. Perhaps he added the hook as more of a statement of power, referring
to the 135 hp Turbo Subaru. Sorry Paul, I don't know anything about towing regulations.
Greg Bacon
Garratt Callahan
gbacon@g-c.com
(573)489-4795
On Oct 21, 2012, at 11:55 AM, "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> I believe "mountain Piet" has or is towing gliders, but can't seem to find a contact for him. my situation may be a bit different though. I'm having so much fun building my Piet, I thought it would be cool to also build a ULF-1. http://www.eel.de/english/home_en.htm its a wood and fabric plans built ultralight glider that is launched via tow or foot launch. This means my homebuilt would be towing a homebuilt. the glider meets the ultralight rule of 150 lbs or less. so i imagine i would have the option to "N" number it or not.
> I also fly hang gliders, and our hang gliders are legally towed by experimental
LSA (E-LSA), but not sure about experimental-amateur built.
> 91.319 Aircraft having experimental
> certificates: Operating limitations.
> (a) No person may operate an aircraft
> that has an experimental certificate
> (1) For other than the purpose for
> which the certificate was issued;
> does the above mean that upon my piet being certified, i should have it stipulated
that it will be operated for towing gliders?
> confusing subject. any one have any answers? thanks; Paul
>
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> Started 8-3-12
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Sorry, Fred. My bad, of course. In my defense, my new prop had me a bit
puzzled, and I really only had time for one pass around the pattern. Camera
was sitting right there beside me. As a consolation, I offer this pic, taken
today, but too breezy to fly.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jane and
Fred
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 5:44 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying
I hate when guys say they're going flying, then they go flying and then they
don't post any pictures! ; )
Just kidding...kind of...
Best regards,
Fred B.
La Crosse, WI
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Subject: | Re: can a piet legally tow gliders |
I'm pretty sure after digging a little more that it is legal. here is a link; http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFAR.nsf/0/c71e4cb4b0e8d48186256ef4004b96d6!OpenDocument
. I can find no where in the regs that prevent towing for private use. I do see
that it can even be done for hire if you get 100 hr inspection by a lsa repairman
with a maintenance rating. So I'm definitely pretty sure i can do it. would
still love to hear others interpretation. If i'm wrong, i would hate to fabricate
and install a release for nothing. Paul
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Subject: | Re: can a piet legally tow gliders |
Paul in my operating limitations item (20) states:
This aircraft must not be used for glider towing, banner towing, or intentional
parachute jumping.
Ha the parachute jumping in a Piet is a no brainer. I don't think you could get
in the front seat with a chute on and no dog gone way would you ever get out
with it!!
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Jerry Dotson
First flight June 16,2012
Started building July, 2009
Lycoming O-235 C2C
Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44
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Subject: | Re: Going Flying |
Somewhere between Brodhead and LaCrosse, WI.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan M
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying
Nice!! Where was that Greg?
Ryan M
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From: Greg Cardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying
Here you go, Fred...
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Jane and Fred
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 7:43 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying
I hate when guys say they're going flying, then they go flying and
then they don't post any pictures! ; )
Just kidding...kind of...
Best regards,
Fred B.
La Crosse, WI
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Subject: | Re: can a piet legally tow gliders |
Thats interesting Jerry. do you think the DAR has any say on that limitation?
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Subject: | Re: Going Flying |
Correction, it is the Lake Zumbro power dam north of Rochester, MN.
(Thank you Bob Poore)
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Cardinal
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying
Somewhere between Brodhead and LaCrosse, WI.
Greg
----- Original Message -----
From: Ryan M
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying
Nice!! Where was that Greg?
Ryan M
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From: Greg Cardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net>
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 9:00 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying
Here you go, Fred...
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: Jane and Fred
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 7:43 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying
I hate when guys say they're going flying, then they go flying and
then they don't post any pictures! ; )
Just kidding...kind of...
Best regards,
Fred B.
La Crosse, WI
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Subject: | Re: Going Flying |
I agree with Fred I love to see the pictures you guys post. It makes for good inspiration
and a lot of times it answers questions us builders have too. Thanks,
Mike Smith.[/b]
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