---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 10/21/12: 15 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:44 AM - Going Flying (Jane and Fred) 2. 06:00 AM - Re: Going Flying (Greg Cardinal) 3. 06:09 AM - Re: Going Flying (pineymb) 4. 06:35 AM - Re: Going Flying (Ryan M) 5. 06:39 AM - Re: Going Flying (darmahboy@aol.com) 6. 09:55 AM - can a piet legally tow gliders (nightmare) 7. 10:15 AM - Re: can a piet legally tow gliders (Andre Abreu) 8. 10:55 AM - Re: can a piet legally tow gliders (Gmail) 9. 11:34 AM - Re: Going Flying (Gary Boothe) 10. 11:34 AM - Re: can a piet legally tow gliders (nightmare) 11. 03:40 PM - Re: can a piet legally tow gliders (Jerry Dotson) 12. 04:51 PM - Re: Going Flying (Greg Cardinal) 13. 06:54 PM - Re: can a piet legally tow gliders (nightmare) 14. 07:36 PM - Re: Going Flying (Greg Cardinal) 15. 08:24 PM - Re: Going Flying (biplan53) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:26 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying From: Jane and Fred I hate when guys say they're going flying, then they go flying and then the y don't post any pictures! ; ) Just kidding...kind of... Best regards, Fred B. La Crosse, WI ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:00:07 AM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying Here you go, Fred... Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Jane and Fred To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 7:43 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying I hate when guys say they're going flying, then they go flying and then they don't post any pictures! ; ) Just kidding...kind of... Best regards, Fred B. La Crosse, WI ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:52 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Going Flying From: "pineymb" About to go flying.....does that count??? -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385722#385722 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/pietenpol_4_119.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:18 AM PST US From: Ryan M Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying Nice!! Where was that Greg?=0A=0ARyan M=0A=0A=0A___________________________ _____=0A From: Greg Cardinal =0ATo: pietenpol-list@m atronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 9:00 AM=0ASubject: Re: Piete npol-List: Going Flying=0A =0A=0A =0AHere you go, Fred...=0A-=0AGreg Card inal=0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: Jane and Fred =0A>To: pietenp ol-list@matronics.com =0A>Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 7:43 AM=0A>Subjec t: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying=0A>=0A>I hate when guys say they're going flying, then they go flying and then they don't post any pictures!- ; ) =0A>-=0A>Just kidding...kind of...=0A>-=0A>Best regards,=0A>Fred B.=0A> La Crosse, WI=0A>href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List" >http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List=0Ahref="http://forums. matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com=0Ahref="http://www.matronics.c om/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:39:08 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying From: darmahboy@aol.com Hey Greg, You on Line, What's the plan for today? -----Original Message----- From: Greg Cardinal Sent: Sun, Oct 21, 2012 8:00 am Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying Here you go, Fred... Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Jane and Fred Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 7:43 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying I hate when guys say they're going flying, then they go flying and then t hey don't post any pictures! ; ) Just kidding...kind of... Best regards, Fred B. La Crosse, WI href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:55:31 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: can a piet legally tow gliders From: "nightmare" I believe "mountain Piet" has or is towing gliders, but can't seem to find a contact for him. my situation may be a bit different though. I'm having so much fun building my Piet, I thought it would be cool to also build a ULF-1. http://www.eel.de/english/home_en.htm its a wood and fabric plans built ultralight glider that is launched via tow or foot launch. This means my homebuilt would be towing a homebuilt. the glider meets the ultralight rule of 150 lbs or less. so i imagine i would have the option to "N" number it or not. I also fly hang gliders, and our hang gliders are legally towed by experimental LSA (E-LSA), but not sure about experimental-amateur built. 91.319 Aircraft having experimental certificates: Operating limitations. (a) No person may operate an aircraft that has an experimental certificate (1) For other than the purpose for which the certificate was issued; does the above mean that upon my piet being certified, i should have it stipulated that it will be operated for towing gliders? confusing subject. any one have any answers? thanks; Paul -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385729#385729 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:15:21 AM PST US From: Andre Abreu Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: can a piet legally tow gliders CFR 91.319 discusses experimental aircraft and towing Not really sure what the conclusion is regarding towing.=C2- I'm thinking it is not allowed though. Andy Abreu N6186L --- On Sun, 10/21/12, nightmare wrote: From: nightmare Subject: Pietenpol-List: can a piet legally tow gliders om> I believe "mountain Piet" has or is towing gliders, but can't seem to find a contact for him. my situation may be a bit different though. I'm having s o much fun building my Piet, I thought it would be cool to also build a ULF -1.=C2- http://www.eel.de/english/home_en.htm=C2- its a wood and fabric plans built ultralight glider that is launched via tow or foot launch. Thi s means my homebuilt would be towing a homebuilt. the glider meets the ultr alight rule of 150 lbs or less. so i imagine i would have the option to "N" number it or not. =C2-=C2-=C2-I also fly hang gliders, and our hang gliders are legally towed by experimental LSA (E-LSA), but not sure about experimental-amateur built. =C2-=C2-=C2-=C3=82=C2=A7 91.319 Aircraft having experimental certificates: Operating limitations. (a) No person may operate an aircraft that has an experimental certificate=C3=A2=82=AC=9D (1) For other than the purpose for which the certificate was issued; =C2-=C2-=C2-does the above mean that upon my piet being certified, i should have it stipulated that it will be operated for towing gliders? =C2- =C2- confusing subject. any one have any answers? thanks; Paul -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385729#385729 t S WEB FORUMS - on Web Site - =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:55:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: can a piet legally tow gliders From: Gmail Mtn Piet has a tow hook, but I'm not sure if John Dilatush was serious about using it. Perhaps he added the hook as more of a statement of power, referring to the 135 hp Turbo Subaru. Sorry Paul, I don't know anything about towing regulations. Greg Bacon Garratt Callahan gbacon@g-c.com (573)489-4795 On Oct 21, 2012, at 11:55 AM, "nightmare" wrote: > > I believe "mountain Piet" has or is towing gliders, but can't seem to find a contact for him. my situation may be a bit different though. I'm having so much fun building my Piet, I thought it would be cool to also build a ULF-1. http://www.eel.de/english/home_en.htm its a wood and fabric plans built ultralight glider that is launched via tow or foot launch. This means my homebuilt would be towing a homebuilt. the glider meets the ultralight rule of 150 lbs or less. so i imagine i would have the option to "N" number it or not. > I also fly hang gliders, and our hang gliders are legally towed by experimental LSA (E-LSA), but not sure about experimental-amateur built. > 91.319 Aircraft having experimental > certificates: Operating limitations. > (a) No person may operate an aircraft > that has an experimental certificate > (1) For other than the purpose for > which the certificate was issued; > does the above mean that upon my piet being certified, i should have it stipulated that it will be operated for towing gliders? > confusing subject. any one have any answers? thanks; Paul > > -------- > Paul Donahue > Started 8-3-12 > do not archive > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385729#385729 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:34:23 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying Sorry, Fred. My bad, of course. In my defense, my new prop had me a bit puzzled, and I really only had time for one pass around the pattern. Camera was sitting right there beside me. As a consolation, I offer this pic, taken today, but too breezy to fly. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jane and Fred Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 5:44 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying I hate when guys say they're going flying, then they go flying and then they don't post any pictures! ; ) Just kidding...kind of... Best regards, Fred B. La Crosse, WI ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:34:55 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: can a piet legally tow gliders From: "nightmare" I'm pretty sure after digging a little more that it is legal. here is a link; http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFAR.nsf/0/c71e4cb4b0e8d48186256ef4004b96d6!OpenDocument . I can find no where in the regs that prevent towing for private use. I do see that it can even be done for hire if you get 100 hr inspection by a lsa repairman with a maintenance rating. So I'm definitely pretty sure i can do it. would still love to hear others interpretation. If i'm wrong, i would hate to fabricate and install a release for nothing. Paul -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385741#385741 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:40:29 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: can a piet legally tow gliders From: "Jerry Dotson" Paul in my operating limitations item (20) states: This aircraft must not be used for glider towing, banner towing, or intentional parachute jumping. Ha the parachute jumping in a Piet is a no brainer. I don't think you could get in the front seat with a chute on and no dog gone way would you ever get out with it!! -------- Jerry Dotson First flight June 16,2012 Started building July, 2009 Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385752#385752 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:51:15 PM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying Somewhere between Brodhead and LaCrosse, WI. Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan M To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 8:35 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying Nice!! Where was that Greg? Ryan M ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: Greg Cardinal To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 9:00 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying Here you go, Fred... Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Jane and Fred To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 7:43 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying I hate when guys say they're going flying, then they go flying and then they don't post any pictures! ; ) Just kidding...kind of... Best regards, Fred B. La Crosse, WI href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:54:02 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: can a piet legally tow gliders From: "nightmare" Thats interesting Jerry. do you think the DAR has any say on that limitation? -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385763#385763 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:36:41 PM PST US From: "Greg Cardinal" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying Correction, it is the Lake Zumbro power dam north of Rochester, MN. (Thank you Bob Poore) Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Cardinal To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 6:46 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying Somewhere between Brodhead and LaCrosse, WI. Greg ----- Original Message ----- From: Ryan M To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 8:35 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying Nice!! Where was that Greg? Ryan M ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- From: Greg Cardinal To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 9:00 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying Here you go, Fred... Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: Jane and Fred To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, October 21, 2012 7:43 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Going Flying I hate when guys say they're going flying, then they go flying and then they don't post any pictures! ; ) Just kidding...kind of... Best regards, Fred B. La Crosse, WI href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 08:24:19 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Going Flying From: "biplan53" I agree with Fred I love to see the pictures you guys post. It makes for good inspiration and a lot of times it answers questions us builders have too. Thanks, Mike Smith.[/b] -------- Building steel fuselage aircamper. 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