Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Wed 10/24/12


Total Messages Posted: 15



Today's Message Index:
----------------------
 
     1. 04:12 AM - Re: Pulleys (Larry V)
     2. 06:49 AM - Mountains (Robert Dewenter)
     3. 06:56 AM - Carbs (AircamperN11MS)
     4. 11:03 AM - P-Lead, Wire, Grounding, AM4 Mags (Michael Perez)
     5. 12:03 PM - Re: P-Lead, Wire, Grounding, AM4 Mags (steve@wotelectronics.com)
     6. 01:30 PM - Build Logs (John Francis)
     7. 02:05 PM - Re: P-Lead, Wire, Grounding, AM4 Mags (taildrags)
     8. 02:47 PM - Re: Build Logs (Dave and Connie)
     9. 03:45 PM - Re: Re: P-Lead, Wire, Grounding, AM4 Mags (steve@wotelectronics.com)
    10. 05:10 PM - Re: I flew Re-PIET!!! (Pieti Lowell)
    11. 07:37 PM - Re: Build Logs (Ryan Mueller)
    12. 08:48 PM - My hero my best friend (IT Girl)
    13. 08:54 PM - Re: P-Lead, Wire, Grounding, AM4 Mags (taildrags)
    14. 09:45 PM - Re: My hero my best friend (Gary Boothe)
    15. 10:31 PM - Re: Build Logs (K5YAC)
 
 
 


Message 1


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 04:12:08 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Pulleys
    From: "Larry V" <larryvangerven@hotmail.com>
    Chris. thanks for the information. Larry V Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385910#385910


    Message 2


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 06:49:48 AM PST US
    From: "Robert Dewenter" <rdewenter@woh.rr.com>
    Subject: Mountains
    Hello all Piet enthusiasts I want to encourage anyone who is "stuck" on/in their Piet project facing a "mountain" that has you stuck to either reach out to a fellow builder, or just face it head on and push through it. I have just faced another "mountain" and I have overcome it. If I had not, my project would have begun to collect dust. This past weekend I began installing my wood straight axle LG fittings onto the fuselage and it is going quite well. A lot of trepidation about drilling the bolt holes "true and straight" was my main concern followed by cutting out "slots" for the inner fittings. I trusted in my fabricated drill guide and I went for it. After seeing the first pair of fitting with bolts going through them I was very happy. I'm very excited now about my progress on my Piet. Facing this challenge and completing the turtle deck has given me the even more confidence that I will complete it and continue to have a blast doing so. If your "mountain" is engine related, no matter what engine it is, Corvair College is a great place to go. Even as a spectator you will learn a lot about building a flight engine, and it might be the catalyst that gets you over the mountain and allow you to look back and see it was just a mole hill - as I did on several occasions. Bob Dewenter Dayton OH Now an editorial: It looks like perhaps EAA is getting the message that many of us in the Piet community feel like EAA is not looking out for the interests of the "grass roots" home builder. The new Experimenter monthly digital magazine is very nice, but is in danger of becoming its big brother "Sport Aviation". For those of you looking for a "grass roots" group focused on building airplanes "a hundred dollars at a time" consider also joining the newly re-started Sport Aviation Association. It's back and led by Ed and Val Fisher, along with several others in supporting roles. Ed and Val will be at the Corvair College in Barnwell in a couple of weeks. Ed Fisher along with Editor Jeff Lange have put out a first issue and it is the same flavor as is BPAN - printed, mailed, fun to read. Membership is donation based. They have a website: http://www.sportaviationassociation.org/


    Message 3


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 06:56:42 AM PST US
    Subject: Carbs
    From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
    Not sure if this link has been passed around before. If so, here it goes again. Great info on the Stromberg Carbs. (http://forums.matronics.com/posting.php?mode=newtopic&f=7) -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385917#385917


    Message 4


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 11:03:16 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: P-Lead, Wire, Grounding, AM4 Mags
    Crew, I am ready to make up my P-leads for my Eisemann mags and am not clea r on how to do so.- I would like to use sheilded, (braid) wires but am no t sure how to make the connections at the switch nor at the mag. How/where do I ground the braid? I assume I need to run grounding wires from the engi ne, to the mount and also to the mag P-lead braid...true? If anyone has these mags and can take a picture of how the connection is ma de at the mag, that is about all I need...I believe. Thanks. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com


    Message 5


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 12:03:37 PM PST US
    From: steve@wotelectronics.com
    Subject: Re: P-Lead, Wire, Grounding, AM4 Mags
    Yesterday I was giving a friend some tips on replacing p-leads on a Grumman. Here is some of the stuff I sent him: I think 18awg shielded wire is correct: http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/shieldwire.php?clickkey=6369 [1] More information: http://www.verticalpower.com/forums/showthread.php?683-P-lead-wiring-to-magneto [2] www.aeroelectric.com/articles/MAGNETOSwitchOptions.pdf The most informative aircraft mainteance web site in the world: http://www.sacskyranch.com/faqslickmagneto.htm [3] The mag should have a screw terminal where you'll connect the ground braid (and another insulated terminal for the p-lead or center conductor). It is also connected to the mag switch at the other end (to kill the motor). I think the mags are grounded through the engine case so no ground is needed to the case. The case should have a braided (flexible) ground strap to the engine mount I believe. It probably isn't that important for a wood Piet...in metal aircraft you are bonding the engine to the airframe with that strap. Doesn't do much good with a wood fuselage. Be sure to brace/secure your wires every few inches or they will break in short order due to vibration! Good luck! Steve Ruse Norman, OK On 2012-10-24 13:02, Michael Perez wrote: > Crew, I am ready to make up my P-leads for my Eisemann mags and am not clear on how to do so. I would like to use sheilded, (braid) wires but am not sure how to make the connections at the switch nor at the mag. How/where do I ground the braid? I assume I need to run grounding wires from the engine, to the mount and also to the mag P-lead braid...true? > > If anyone has these mags and can take a picture of how the connection is made at the mag, that is about all I need...I believe. > > Thanks. > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > HTTP://WWW.MATRONICS.COM/CONTRIBUTION Links: ------ [1] http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/elpages/shieldwire.php?clickkey=6369 [2] http://www.verticalpower.com/forums/showthread.php?683-P-lead-wiring-to-magneto [3] http://www.sacskyranch.com/faqslickmagneto.htm


    Message 6


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 01:30:47 PM PST US
    Subject: Build Logs
    From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles@msn.com>
    It looks as though mykitplane is gone. I've gotten no response from the administrator and the sight (and all my past info) is lost. Time to move on. I want to post pictures and share with friends my build log. I believe kit log pro is the way to go for me. I however have a mac and will need to install a windows operating system for this app to work. Should I buy windows 7 or wait for windows 8? I thought maybe some of you apple guys or computer people might have some words of wisdom for me before I make the plunge. Thanks -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385929#385929


    Message 7


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 02:05:49 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: P-Lead, Wire, Grounding, AM4 Mags
    From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    The ignition wiring on Scout is done exactly as Steve has described. Note, however, that this goes against what Tony Bingelis says in one of his books, at least the part about grounding the braid on the P-lead wire from the magneto to the ignition switch. I don't have my books here in front of me (I know, I know, Mikee- I should always have them with me ;o), but I believe Bingelis says that the braid should only be grounded at one end, not both. Not sure why that would be, though. And since the magnetos have a lug for landing the ground braid and the ignition switch does too (or at least a lug for landing the ground wire that shorts the P-lead to ground), I grounded both ends of the shielded wire braid. I am ducking for cover, as I see electrons beginning to fly from the electrical system gurus even now. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385931#385931


    Message 8


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 02:47:50 PM PST US
    From: Dave and Connie <dmatt@frontiernet.net>
    Subject: Re: Build Logs
    John, I am using a simple Wordpress blog. It is pretty simple to set up and edit. It is a different option and is operating system independent. You do have to get web hosting though. Mine is at www.bearhawklsa14.com Dave On 10/24/2012 4:30 PM, John Francis wrote: > > It looks as though mykitplane is gone. I've gotten no response from the administrator and the sight (and all my past info) is lost. Time to move on. > > I want to post pictures and share with friends my build log. I believe kit log pro is the way to go for me. I however have a mac and will need to install a windows operating system for this app to work. Should I buy windows 7 or wait for windows 8? I thought maybe some of you apple guys or computer people might have some words of wisdom for me before I make the plunge. > > Thanks > > -------- > John Francis > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385929#385929 >


    Message 9


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 03:45:57 PM PST US
    From: steve@wotelectronics.com
    Subject: Re: P-Lead, Wire, Grounding, AM4 Mags
    I don't have Tony's book, but what he means is that the braid should not be grounded to the airframe at both ends. What you are doing is using the braid as your grounding conductor for the mag which means the braid is not connected to ground at the switch end when the engine is operating, so there is no chance for noise issues if you had parallel ground paths. So essentially you comply with what Tony recommends...that is also how my plane is wired. A shielding conductor (the braid) is typically only grounded at one end I believe to avoid ground loops & noise issues due to having multiple grounding paths. Clear as mud? :) Steve Ruse Norman, OK On 2012-10-24 16:05, taildrags wrote: > <taildrags@hotmail.com> > > The ignition wiring on Scout is done exactly as Steve has described. > Note, however, that this goes against what Tony Bingelis says in one > of his books, at least the part about grounding the braid on the > P-lead wire from the magneto to the ignition switch. I don't have my > books here in front of me (I know, I know, Mikee- I should always > have > them with me ;o), but I believe Bingelis says that the braid should > only be grounded at one end, not both. Not sure why that would be, > though. And since the magnetos have a lug for landing the ground > braid and the ignition switch does too (or at least a lug for landing > the ground wire that shorts the P-lead to ground), I grounded both > ends of the shielded wire braid. > > I am ducking for cover, as I see electrons beginning to fly from the > electrical system gurus even now. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; > A75 power > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385931#385931 > >


    Message 10


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 05:10:54 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: I flew Re-PIET!!!
    From: "Pieti Lowell" <Lowellcfrank@yahoo.com>
    Men are made of , exactly the thing you have accomplished, Congrats Pieti Lowell Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385949#385949


    Message 11


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 07:37:39 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Build Logs
    From: Ryan Mueller <ryan@rmueller.org>
    Hi John, It doesn't particularly matter whether you go with 7 or 8 for your purposes; Kitlog will run the same on both. Windows 8 has a new default UI, called "Modern UI" (formerly Metro), which is where Microsoft wants to go for the foreseeable future. See the screenshots in this gallery: http://www.theverge.com/2012/10/23/3542270/windows-8-review-screenshots#3885907 However, only apps written for Modern UI will run there. In order to provide compatibility with all existing Windows applications, there is also a Windows 7 style desktop. In your case you would install Kitlog, and it would add a Kitlog "tile" to that default Metro screen. When you click on it it would open Kitlog on the Windows 7 style desktop, and you would use it just like normal. Amazon and Newegg list the System Builder DVDs for Windows 8 at $99, and Windows 7 Home Premium at $91-$99, so about the same cost. As it sounds like you are primarily going to use Windows for Kitlog, you shouldn't need anything higher than basic 8 or 7 Home Premium; Pro versions provide more features for business environments, such as joining to a domain, etc. Windows 8 is the Windows future, whether we like it or not. It's been tested to boot up/shut down faster, and perform somewhat faster in general than 7 on the same hardware. If you're a longtime Mac user that doesn't mess with Windows much, you actually might have a lower learning curve.....you'll have less to "unlearn". There is a free to download/use Windows 8 Release Preview available from Microsoft; this is Windows 8 in more or less final form, and will work until 01/15/13. You could install that on your Mac via Boot Camp (or with Parallels/VMWare if you use that software), and grab the trial version of Kitlog to give the combo a test run to see if you think it will work for you. You can grab the ISOs for Windows here: http://windows.microsoft.com/en-US/windows-8/download On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 3:30 PM, John Francis <Mrkringles@msn.com> wrote: > > It looks as though mykitplane is gone. I've gotten no response from the > administrator and the sight (and all my past info) is lost. Time to move > on. > > I want to post pictures and share with friends my build log. I believe > kit log pro is the way to go for me. I however have a mac and will need to > install a windows operating system for this app to work. Should I buy > windows 7 or wait for windows 8? I thought maybe some of you apple guys > or computer people might have some words of wisdom for me before I make the > plunge. > > Thanks > > -------- > John Francis > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385929#385929 > >


    Message 12


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 08:48:22 PM PST US
    Subject: My hero my best friend
    From: "IT Girl" <shlizbth@gmail.com>
    The last time I posted I told you I'd keep you posted on Kevin's progress. As most of you know he has recovered at an amazing rate. Friday Kevin was cleared to fly by the Army flight Surgeon. I'm not sure I can keep his feet on the ground, he is practically floating. Kevin recently wrote a short article featured on the Flycorair.net page, you can check it out at your leisure here http://flycorvair.net/2012/10/25/guest-writer-pietenpol-builderflyer-kevin-purtee/ Veterans day weekend we are heading to Barnwell, SC to attend CC24. WW was able to retrieve the engine from FBG in order to assess the damage to the engine... which remarkably is in good shape, but in need of some TLC. We hope to reassemble the torn down engine and run it on the test stand at CC24.... it should be quite the spectacle ... we hope to see lots of you there. -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of &quot;Axel&quot; NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385959#385959


    Message 13


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 08:54:40 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: P-Lead, Wire, Grounding, AM4 Mags
    From: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Clear as mud. I'll describe my setup in a little more detail and let's see what I have. Let's use the (stainless steel sheet) firewall as the starting point. Firewall forward, I have the braid shielded P-leads from a screw terminal block on the firewall, with the braid shields landed to a common "grounding" lug on the firewall. I put "grounding" in quotes because what the heck is it really grounded to? The metal firewall is really just the point of zero voltage reference, I guess you'd say. The leads continue forward to the magnetos, where I have the shields landed on the magneto ground lugs at that end. I have a flat braided grounding strap from the engine block back to the "grounding" lug on the firewall, so it sounds to me like there are parallel ground paths right there. It didn't seem to me that the engine mount points (through rubber donuts) were a solid metallic path between engine block, engine mount, and firewall so I added the flexible braided grounding strap. >From the screw terminal block through the firewall aft to the ignition switch, I have the braid shields of the P-leads landed on my "grounding" lug on the firewall at one end and on the ground terminal of the ignition switch, but other than that there aren't any continuous metallic grounding paths from the firewall aft. NOW clear as thick mud? For what it's worth, using a handheld COM radio has demonstrated that there is no noticeable ignition noise from this setup. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385960#385960


    Message 14


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 09:45:34 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: My hero my best friend
    Well done!! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of IT Girl Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2012 8:48 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: My hero my best friend The last time I posted I told you I'd keep you posted on Kevin's progress. As most of you know he has recovered at an amazing rate. Friday Kevin was cleared to fly by the Army flight Surgeon. I'm not sure I can keep his feet on the ground, he is practically floating. Kevin recently wrote a short article featured on the Flycorair.net page, you can check it out at your leisure here http://flycorvair.net/2012/10/25/guest-writer-pietenpol-builderflyer-kevin-p urtee/ Veterans day weekend we are heading to Barnwell, SC to attend CC24. WW was able to retrieve the engine from FBG in order to assess the damage to the engine... which remarkably is in good shape, but in need of some TLC. We hope to reassemble the torn down engine and run it on the test stand at CC24.... it should be quite the spectacle ... we hope to see lots of you there. -------- Shelley Tumino IT Girl wife of &quot;Axel&quot; NX899KP DO NOT ARCHIVE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385959#385959


    Message 15


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 10:31:49 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Build Logs
    From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
    Kit Log Pro is excellent, and it does the things you are wanting, and then some. In addition, it is developed and maintained by Matt Dralle, who is also the administrator of Matronics. I really like the program and would recommend it first to anyone looking for builder's log software. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385965#385965




    Other Matronics Email List Services

  • Post A New Message
  •   pietenpol-list@matronics.com
  • UN/SUBSCRIBE
  •   http://www.matronics.com/subscription
  • List FAQ
  •   http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm
  • Web Forum Interface To Lists
  •   http://forums.matronics.com
  • Matronics List Wiki
  •   http://wiki.matronics.com
  • 7-Day List Browse
  •   http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list
  • Browse Pietenpol-List Digests
  •   http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list
  • Browse Other Lists
  •   http://www.matronics.com/browse
  • Live Online Chat!
  •   http://www.matronics.com/chat
  • Archive Downloading
  •   http://www.matronics.com/archives
  • Photo Share
  •   http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
  • Other Email Lists
  •   http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
  • Contributions
  •   http://www.matronics.com/contribution

    These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.

    -- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --