---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 10/26/12: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:59 AM - wing length (Douwe Blumberg) 2. 06:25 AM - RE-PIET flying characteristics (Douwe Blumberg) 3. 06:56 AM - Re: RE-PIET flying characteristics (Gene Rambo) 4. 07:19 AM - Re: Build Logs (Dan Yocum) 5. 07:19 AM - Re: RE-PIET flying characteristics (Michael Perez) 6. 08:16 AM - Re: RE-PIET flying characteristics (TriScout) 7. 08:42 AM - ELT? (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 8. 09:38 AM - Re: RE-PIET flying characteristics (Jack) 9. 11:14 AM - Re: ELT? (TriScout) 10. 12:38 PM - Cub vs. Piet (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 11. 03:13 PM - Re: ELT? (Gary Boothe) 12. 03:19 PM - white faced flight instruments (nightmare) 13. 03:46 PM - Article in Museum of Flight Newsletter... (aerocarjake) 14. 03:47 PM - Re: white faced flight instruments (Rick) 15. 03:57 PM - Re: white faced flight instruments (nightmare) 16. 04:01 PM - Re: ELT? (helspersew@aol.com) 17. 04:15 PM - Re: white faced flight instruments (dgaldrich) 18. 04:29 PM - 3/4 inch spar ply doublers (TOM MICHELLE BRANT) 19. 05:05 PM - Re: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers (gboothe5@comcast.net) 20. 05:32 PM - Re: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers (TOM MICHELLE BRANT) 21. 05:32 PM - Re: Re: white faced flight instruments (Rick Schreiber) 22. 05:53 PM - Re: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers (Gary Boothe) 23. 06:28 PM - Re: white faced flight instruments (Greg Cardinal) 24. 07:57 PM - Re: ELT? (shad bell) 25. 08:49 PM - Re: Article in Museum of Flight Newsletter... (kevinpurtee) 26. 09:55 PM - Re: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers (TOM MICHELLE BRANT) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:20 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: wing length If I was starting over, I'd lengthen the wings in some fashion, either a wider center section or slightly longer wing panels. Mainly because I've seen a couple fly like that and they perform markedly better on hot days with passengers. However, I must say that "RE-PIET" flies just fine with standard wings, and she's heavy. However, there's a big motor up there swinging a bit prop. One interesting observation flying a fairly heavy Piet is that she really handles the crosswinds nicely. Douwe ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:05 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE-PIET flying characteristics Okay good people. Have flown RE-PIET now for five hours and thought I'd make an early pilot report. My darn GPS wouldn't turn on the first non-wind day I had, which was the day I had planned to get some accurate speeds.gotta love electronics. I have a wind vane airspeed indicator which isn't super accurate so I need something extra. She SEEMS to cruise at 70 at 2300. My favorite cruise condition is 2000, indicating around 60. Nice and quiet and she'll still climb, though slowly. Power off stalls are nice and gentle. Have no idea of the speed, the wind vane indicator reads zero. Power on stall is more like a mushing descent, it's hard to get a real break. She just hangs there like a Fokker D-7 with her nose in the air. She turns on a dime! After reading all the landing advice and watching hundres of landings over the last decade, I was prepared for a rather pronounced sink rate once I cut the engine. So the first few landings, I cut it closer than with the cub just to be prepared for the steep descent. and each time found myself floating across the runway longer than the cub! This is on 75 degree days on grass. She seems to float more than the cub I was flying, strange. I can't explain it because she's heavy, but maybe the wing axle fairing is helping a bit? Or the large airfoil wing tank? Who knows. So far she lands easier than the Cub, as it's really easy to decide when to stop her flying and because of that, you actually have more control of when things happen. She lands very easily. Yesterday was a no wind day and I was set up on final, coming right down at my aiming point and doing absolutely nothing with the controls thinking "shouldn't I be doing something"? felt weird as she just took care of herself until the roundout. Haven't tried best climb yet, need to get the gps fixed. I know I got 500fpm on the gps a few times, but have to experiment more. LIKES: Like the whole plane, she is delightful to fly. REALLY like the elevator servo trim system, VERY handy. Like the control placements for carb heat and mixture, on the left, under the control panel. Easy to reach but hard to see. Like the starter. Large wheels make taxiing over rough stuff pretty easy. Small tailwheel, makes the tail lighter. Nice having a powerful engine, I mainly cruise around now at 2000-2200 so she's sipping fuel like a smaller engine, but it's sure nice to have that power on climbout or just for fun. Smoking is fun!!!!! DISLIKES: Really would tilt back the pilots bulkhead a few degrees. Thank GOD I'm smallish. Have to figure something out for the fuel indicating system. My fuel indicator doesn't start reading until about five gallons which makes it kind of hard to keep track of things. I'm considering a small drop down tube type indicator in the back drain bung where I have my water drain. This could let me have accurate readings for probably the last six or seven gallons. We'll see. Small tailwheel. is lighter, but I'm sure I'll have to replace it regularly because it spins so fast. I have a bag of ten from McMaster Carr, takes three minutes to change. Have to keep those plexi windscreens clean or I can't see anything forward when landing into a setting sun. Note to self! Need to add longer "down pipes" to my long exhaust to direct the smoke from my smoke system away from the fuse and tail more. That stuff is yucky to clean. GPS is at Garmin now and I'll get some accurate numbers as soon as possible. So keep building, try to touch it every day, try to hit Brodhead as often as possible for ideas and motivation and then. keep building, DO NOT STOP and one day you will be looking at a finished aircraft, ready to fly. I promise!! THE ONLY TRICK IS TO NOT QUIT!! Who's flying up to Brodhead next year who I could hook up with? Should be a gaggle heading north and I want to tag along. Douwe ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:14 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: RE-PIET flying characteristics From: Gene Rambo I plan to go. Let's link up somewhere and arrive in style. Should have H Jack and Matt with me. (and Will, of course) Gene Rambo On Oct 26, 2012, at 9:23 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" w rote: > Okay good people > > Have flown RE-PIET now for five hours and thought I=99d make an earl y pilot report. > > My darn GPS wouldn=99t turn on the first non-wind day I had, which w as the day I had planned to get some accurate speedsgotta love elec tronics. I have a wind vane airspeed indicator which isn=99t super ac curate so I need something extra. > > She SEEMS to cruise at 70 at 2300. > My favorite cruise condition is 2000, indicating around 60. Nice and quie t and she=99ll still climb, though slowly. > Power off stalls are nice and gentle. Have no idea of the speed, the wind v ane indicator reads zero. > Power on stall is more like a mushing descent, it=99s hard to get a r eal break. She just hangs there like a Fokker D-7 with her nose in the air. > She turns on a dime! > > After reading all the landing advice and watching hundres of landings over the last decade, I was prepared for a rather pronounced sink rate once I cu t the engine. So the first few landings, I cut it closer than with the cub j ust to be prepared for the steep descent and each time found myself floating across the runway longer than the cub! This is on 75 degree days o n grass. She seems to float more than the cub I was flying, strange I can=99t explain it because she=99s heavy, but maybe the wing a xle fairing is helping a bit? Or the large airfoil wing tank? Who knows. > > So far she lands easier than the Cub, as it=99s really easy to decid e when to stop her flying and because of that, you actually have more contro l of when things happen. She lands very easily. Yesterday was a no wind da y and I was set up on final, coming right down at my aiming point and doing a bsolutely nothing with the controls thinking =9Cshouldn=99t I be doing something=9D? felt weird as she just took care of herself unti l the roundout. > > Haven=99t tried best climb yet, need to get the gps fixed. I know I got 500fpm on the gps a few times, but have to experiment more. > > LIKES: > > Like the whole plane, she is delightful to fly. > REALLY like the elevator servo trim system, VERY handy. > Like the control placements for carb heat and mixture, on the left, under t he control panel. Easy to reach but hard to see. > Like the starter > Large wheels make taxiing over rough stuff pretty easy. > Small tailwheel, makes the tail lighter. > Nice having a powerful engine, I mainly cruise around now at 2000-2200 so s he=99s sipping fuel like a smaller engine, but it=99s sure nice t o have that power on climbout or just for fun. > Smoking is fun!!!!! > > DISLIKES: > > Really would tilt back the pilots bulkhead a few degrees. Thank GOD I =99m smallish > Have to figure something out for the fuel indicating system. My fuel indi cator doesn=99t start reading until about five gallons which makes it kind of hard to keep track of things. I=99m considering a small drop down tube type indicator in the back drain bung where I have my water drain . This could let me have accurate readings for probably the last six or sev en gallons. We=99ll see. > Small tailwheel is lighter, but I=99m sure I=99ll hav e to replace it regularly because it spins so fast. I have a bag of ten fro m McMaster Carr, takes three minutes to change. > Have to keep those plexi windscreens clean or I can=99t see anything forward when landing into a setting sun. Note to self! > Need to add longer =9Cdown pipes=9D to my long exhaust to dire ct the smoke from my smoke system away from the fuse and tail more. That st uff is yucky to clean. > > GPS is at Garmin now and I=99ll get some accurate numbers as soon as possible. > > So keep building, try to touch it every day, try to hit Brodhead as often a s possible for ideas and motivation and then keep building, DO NOT S TOP and one day you will be looking at a finished aircraft, ready to fly. I promise!! > > THE ONLY TRICK IS TO NOT QUIT!! > > Who=99s flying up to Brodhead next year who I could hook up with? S hould be a gaggle heading north and I want to tag along. > > Douwe > > > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:18 AM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Build Logs John, Save your money and use a free online service. Don't worry about the operating system. I suggest: http://docs.google.com - just like MS Office, except it's online. http://sites.google.com - create your own web pages, upload pictures, add captions. http://www.blogger.com - about the same as sites.google.com, but maybe you'll like the UI better. And, google isn't going away anytime soon. Cheers, Dan On 10/24/2012 03:30 PM, John Francis wrote: > > It looks as though mykitplane is gone. I've gotten no response from the administrator and the sight (and all my past info) is lost. Time to move on. > > I want to post pictures and share with friends my build log. I believe kit log pro is the way to go for me. I however have a mac and will need to install a windows operating system for this app to work. Should I buy windows 7 or wait for windows 8? I thought maybe some of you apple guys or computer people might have some words of wisdom for me before I make the plunge. > > Thanks > > -------- > John Francis > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=385929#385929 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:19:40 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: RE-PIET flying characteristics Good stuff Douwe!- Just curious, you say large prop., what size is it? Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com =0A ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:51 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: RE-PIET flying characteristics From: "TriScout" Speaking of flying characteristics, I flew my GN-1 yesterday after annual and new 9/16" offset of vertical stab. I think is does help a little bit w/the offset. I should have gone for atleast an inch. I put a trim tab back on, but it's better than no offset. I tossed in the new 406 ELT so that I can travel more than 25 miles from home drome... $588 from Aircraft Spruce..not too shabby.. Larry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksmpLpkGsic&feature=plcp Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386041#386041 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:11 AM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT? Hmmmm....I never did install an ELT. My inspector never said anything about it and I never spent the money on it. $588 for an ELT from Aircraft Spruce? Wow am I out of touch. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:38:11 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: RE-PIET flying characteristics From: Jack Douwe great report thanks! Do you have any pictures of your trim install. I plan to do it. What size servo did you use? Thanks! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Oct 26, 2012, at 8:23 AM, "Douwe Blumberg" w rote: > Okay good people > > Have flown RE-PIET now for five hours and thought I=99d make an earl y pilot report. > > My darn GPS wouldn=99t turn on the first non-wind day I had, which w as the day I had planned to get some accurate speedsgotta love elec tronics. I have a wind vane airspeed indicator which isn=99t super ac curate so I need something extra. > > She SEEMS to cruise at 70 at 2300. > My favorite cruise condition is 2000, indicating around 60. Nice and quie t and she=99ll still climb, though slowly. > Power off stalls are nice and gentle. Have no idea of the speed, the wind v ane indicator reads zero. > Power on stall is more like a mushing descent, it=99s hard to get a r eal break. She just hangs there like a Fokker D-7 with her nose in the air. > She turns on a dime! > > After reading all the landing advice and watching hundres of landings over the last decade, I was prepared for a rather pronounced sink rate once I cu t the engine. So the first few landings, I cut it closer than with the cub j ust to be prepared for the steep descent and each time found myself floating across the runway longer than the cub! This is on 75 degree days o n grass. She seems to float more than the cub I was flying, strange I can=99t explain it because she=99s heavy, but maybe the wing a xle fairing is helping a bit? Or the large airfoil wing tank? Who knows. > > So far she lands easier than the Cub, as it=99s really easy to decid e when to stop her flying and because of that, you actually have more contro l of when things happen. She lands very easily. Yesterday was a no wind da y and I was set up on final, coming right down at my aiming point and doing a bsolutely nothing with the controls thinking =9Cshouldn=99t I be doing something=9D? felt weird as she just took care of herself unti l the roundout. > > Haven=99t tried best climb yet, need to get the gps fixed. I know I got 500fpm on the gps a few times, but have to experiment more. > > LIKES: > > Like the whole plane, she is delightful to fly. > REALLY like the elevator servo trim system, VERY handy. > Like the control placements for carb heat and mixture, on the left, under t he control panel. Easy to reach but hard to see. > Like the starter > Large wheels make taxiing over rough stuff pretty easy. > Small tailwheel, makes the tail lighter. > Nice having a powerful engine, I mainly cruise around now at 2000-2200 so s he=99s sipping fuel like a smaller engine, but it=99s sure nice t o have that power on climbout or just for fun. > Smoking is fun!!!!! > > DISLIKES: > > Really would tilt back the pilots bulkhead a few degrees. Thank GOD I =99m smallish > Have to figure something out for the fuel indicating system. My fuel indi cator doesn=99t start reading until about five gallons which makes it kind of hard to keep track of things. I=99m considering a small drop down tube type indicator in the back drain bung where I have my water drain . This could let me have accurate readings for probably the last six or sev en gallons. We=99ll see. > Small tailwheel is lighter, but I=99m sure I=99ll hav e to replace it regularly because it spins so fast. I have a bag of ten fro m McMaster Carr, takes three minutes to change. > Have to keep those plexi windscreens clean or I can=99t see anything forward when landing into a setting sun. Note to self! > Need to add longer =9Cdown pipes=9D to my long exhaust to dire ct the smoke from my smoke system away from the fuse and tail more. That st uff is yucky to clean. > > GPS is at Garmin now and I=99ll get some accurate numbers as soon as possible. > > So keep building, try to touch it every day, try to hit Brodhead as often a s possible for ideas and motivation and then keep building, DO NOT S TOP and one day you will be looking at a finished aircraft, ready to fly. I promise!! > > THE ONLY TRICK IS TO NOT QUIT!! > > Who=99s flying up to Brodhead next year who I could hook up with? S hould be a gaggle heading north and I want to tag along. > > Douwe > > > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:14:13 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELT? From: "TriScout" yeah..My AI cleared me to fly after the annual w/in 25 miles of airport until I get an ELT. A bit overkill, but I decided to just get the new 406-type and be done w/it. Larry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386052#386052 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:38:38 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Cub vs. Piet V2F5IHRvIGdvIGFjY3VtdWxhdGluZyBob3VycyBvbiB5b3VyIG5ldyBQaWV0ZW5wb2wgRG91d2Uu IFdlIGhhdmUgaGFkIHNvbWUgc3RlbGxhciBmbHlpbmcgd2VhdGhlcg0KdGhpcyBwYXN0IHdlZWsu DQoNCkkgdG90YWxseSBhZ3JlZSB3aXRoIHlvdSB0aGF0IGEgUGlldGVucG9sIGlzIGVhc2llciB0 byBsYW5kIHRoYW4gYSBDdWIuICBUbyBtZSB0aGUgYmFjayBzZWF0IG9mIGEgQ3ViIGlzIGxpa2UN CnRyeWluZyB0byBkcml2ZSBhIHNjaG9vbCBidXMgZnJvbSB0aGUgYmFkIGtpZCBzZWF0cy4NCg0K V2hhdCB5b3XigJlsbCBmaW5kIG9uIHlvdXIgZmxhcmUgYW5kIHJvdW5kIG91dCBpcyB0aGF0IHlv dSB3aWxsIGZsb2F0IGlmIHlvdSBjb21lIGluIHdpdGggZXhjZXNzIHNwZWVkIGJ1dCBhcw0KeW91 IGZpbmUtdHVuZSB5b3VyIGFwcHJvYWNoIHNwZWVkcyBhbmQgZmVlbCBvdXQgdGhhdCBsb3dlciBl bmQgb2YgdGhlIGFwcHJvYWNoIHNwZWVkIGVudmVsb3BlIHlvdSBjYW4NCmdldCB0aGUgdGhpbmcg dG8gcm91bmQgb3V0IGFuZCB0b3VjaCBvbiBhIGRpbWUgd2l0aCB2ZXJ5IGxpdHRsZSB0aW1lIGlu IHRoZSByb3VuZCBvdXQuICBJdOKAmXMgYWxtb3N0IGxpa2UgaGF2aW5nIGZ1bGwNCmZsYXBzIGNv bWluZyBpbiBhdCB0aGUgbG93ZXIgZW5kIG9mIHRoZSBhcHByb2FjaCBzcGVlZHMuDQoNCklmIGFu eW9uZSBjYW4gY2hlY2tvdXQgZnJvbSB0aGUgYmFjayBzZWF0IG9mIGEgQ3ViIHRoZXkgd2lsbCBi ZSBhbiBleGNlbGxlbnQgUGlldGVucG9sIHBpbG90Lg0KDQpNaWtlIEMuDQoNClBTLSBJIHRha2Ug bXkgZmxpZ2h0IHJldmlldyBpbiB0aGUgSi0zIEN1YiBhdCBNZWRpbmEgQWlycG9ydCBldmVyeSB0 d28geWVhcnMgYW5kIGV2ZXJ5IHR3byB5ZWFycyBJIGVuam95IGl0DQpidXQgYW0gc28gZ2xhZCB0 byBnZXQgYmFjayBpbiB0aGUgUGlldGVucG9sLg0KDQoNCg0K ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 03:13:28 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: ELT? Your secret is safe with us! FYI...my FAA inspector did check to see if it was there...not sure what he would have said if it wasn't. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 8:42 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT? --> (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Hmmmm....I never did install an ELT. My inspector never said anything about it and I never spent the money on it. $588 for an ELT from Aircraft Spruce? Wow am I out of touch. ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:19:27 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: white faced flight instruments From: "nightmare" I was admiring a very simple piet dash with all white flight instruments in the july 2011 bpa newsletter page 13. does anyone know whos dash it is, or where one could find white flight instruments. the caption says it is Oscar's but he says it is not. i've looked around a bit for white instruments and could only find the CUB ones. the compass is also very cool, maybe home made. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386069#386069 ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:10 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Article in Museum of Flight Newsletter... From: "aerocarjake" Not really intending this as self promotion - more like sharing - but here is a page from the most recent Seattle Museum of Flight's membership newsletter. It features a photo of me and my Pietenpol project... Enjoy....................... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386072#386072 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/jake_schultz_137.pdf ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 03:47:37 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: white faced flight instruments From: Rick Paul, VDO has a line of instruments with a white face. Here is a link. http://www.usa.vdo.com/generator/www/us/en/vdo/main/products_solutions/automotive/vdo_instruments/vdo_instruments_en.htm Rick Schreiber NX478RS Sent from my iPad On Oct 26, 2012, at 5:19 PM, "nightmare" wrote: > > I was admiring a very simple piet dash with all white flight instruments in the july 2011 bpa newsletter page 13. does anyone know whos dash it is, or where one could find white flight instruments. the caption says it is Oscar's but he says it is not. i've looked around a bit for white instruments and could only find the CUB ones. the compass is also very cool, maybe home made. > > -------- > Paul Donahue > Started 8-3-12 > do not archive > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386069#386069 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:57:21 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: white faced flight instruments From: "nightmare" Thanks Rick; But i don't see any aviation flight instruments, is that product line hidden somewhere on their site? -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386076#386076 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:01:47 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT? From: helspersew@aol.com I don't have one.....really don't want to put one in...... Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: Fri, Oct 26, 2012 5:13 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: ELT? Your secret is safe with us! FYI...my FAA inspector did check to see if it was there...not sure what he would have said if it wasn't. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cuy, Michae l D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 8:42 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT? --> (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Hmmmm....I never did install an ELT. My inspector never said anything about it and I never spent the money on it. $588 for an ELT from Aircraft Spruce? Wow am I out of touch. ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:15:24 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: white faced flight instruments From: "dgaldrich" Stewart Warner also makes a line of white faced instruments. Summit Racing aviation department sells both VDO and S/W. Dave Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386078#386078 ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:29:51 PM PST US From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers for those who have a 3/4 spar=2C did you go with the plans and use 1/8" ply doublers at the spar attach points or did you go to 1/4" since the origina l plans show the 1/8" doublers on a 1" spar - making it 1 1/4" thick rather than 1" Tom B. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:05:38 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers From: gboothe5@comcast.net SSB1c2VkIDEvOCIgZG91YmxlcnMgYXQgZWFjaCByaWIuDQoNCkdhcnkgQm9vdGhlDQpOWDMwOE1C DQpTZW50IG9uIHRoZSBTcHJpbnSuIE5vdyBOZXR3b3JrIGZyb20gbXkgQmxhY2tCZXJyea4NCg0K LS0tLS1PcmlnaW5hbCBNZXNzYWdlLS0tLS0NCkZyb206IFRPTSBNSUNIRUxMRSBCUkFOVCA8dG1i cmFudEBtc24uY29tPg0KU2VuZGVyOiBvd25lci1waWV0ZW5wb2wtbGlzdC1zZXJ2ZXJAbWF0cm9u aWNzLmNvbQ0KRGF0ZTogRnJpLCAyNiBPY3QgMjAxMiAxODoyOToyOCANClRvOiBwaWV0ZW5wb2wt bGlzdEBtYXRyb25pY3MuY29tPHBpZXRlbnBvbC1saXN0QG1hdHJvbmljcy5jb20+DQpSZXBseS1U bzogcGlldGVucG9sLWxpc3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbVN1YmplY3Q6IFBpZXRlbnBvbC1MaXN0OiAz LzQgaW5jaCBzcGFyIHBseSBkb3VibGVycw0KDQoNCmZvciB0aG9zZSB3aG8gaGF2ZSBhIDMvNCBz cGFyLCBkaWQgeW91IGdvIHdpdGggdGhlIHBsYW5zIGFuZCB1c2UgMS84IiBwbHkgZG91YmxlcnMg YXQgdGhlIHNwYXIgYXR0YWNoIHBvaW50cyBvciBkaWQgeW91IGdvIHRvIDEvNCIgc2luY2UgdGhl IG9yaWdpbmFsIHBsYW5zIHNob3cgdGhlIDEvOCIgZG91YmxlcnMgb24gYSAxIiBzcGFyIC0gbWFr aW5nIGl0IDEgMS80IiB0aGljayByYXRoZXIgdGhhbiAxIg0KDQoNClRvbSBCLg0KIAkJIAkgICAJ CSAgDQo ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 05:32:07 PM PST US From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers Gary=2C Assume you did that because the ribs were made with a 1" spacing but I was asking specifically about the spar attach points where the bracket is mount ed. Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers From: gboothe5@comcast.net I used 1/8" doublers at each rib. 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I don't know where you can get white flight instruments. Rick Schreiber ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 05:53:40 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers I used 1/8=9D on both sides of =C2=BE=9D spars on the wing side, and no spacers on the center section side. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM MICHELLE BRANT Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 5:32 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers Gary, Assume you did that because the ribs were made with a 1" spacing but I was asking specifically about the spar attach points where the bracket is mounted. _____ Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers From: gboothe5@comcast.net I used 1/8" doublers at each rib. 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Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "nightmare" Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 5:19 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: white faced flight instruments > > > I was admiring a very simple piet dash with all white flight instruments > in the july 2011 bpa newsletter page 13. does anyone know whos dash it is, > or where one could find white flight instruments. the caption says it is > Oscar's but he says it is not. i've looked around a bit for white > instruments and could only find the CUB ones. the compass is also very > cool, maybe home made. > > -------- > Paul Donahue > Started 8-3-12 > do not archive > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386069#386069 > > > ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:57:21 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT? the cost went up when they switched to the 406MHZ elt from the old 121.5 el t's. - Shad --- On Fri, 10/26/12, Cuy, Michael D. 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