---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 10/27/12: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:14 AM - Re: RE-PIET flying characteristics (Peter W Johnson) 2. 03:55 AM - Re: Article in Museum of Flight Newsletter... (Jack) 3. 05:06 AM - Re: ELT? (helspersew@aol.com) 4. 05:11 AM - Re: white faced flight instruments (nightmare) 5. 05:44 AM - Re: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers (C N Campbell) 6. 06:28 AM - Re: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers (TOM MICHELLE BRANT) 7. 06:31 AM - Re: ELT? (bender) 8. 06:47 AM - servo trim system, and prop size (Douwe Blumberg) 9. 06:54 AM - Re: Re: ELT? (helspersew@aol.com) 10. 06:57 AM - Re: ELT? (shad bell) 11. 06:58 AM - Re: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers (Gary Boothe) 12. 07:20 AM - ELT? Now PLB Options (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB) 13. 09:13 AM - Re: ELT? (John Hofmann) 14. 10:25 AM - Re: ELT? (shad bell) 15. 01:58 PM - Re: ELT? (TriScout) 16. 04:12 PM - End of an Era (pineymb) 17. 06:09 PM - Re: RE-PIET flying characteristics (taildrags) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:14:49 AM PST US From: "Peter W Johnson" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: RE-PIET flying characteristics Douwe, I am in the process of restoring Dale McCleskey's Piet (also a RePiet!) and have decided to slant the rear seat back as well. I sat in the Piet and I had forgotten how close I was to the instrument panel. If I sit back another inch or so I can actually read the instruments without my glasses!! Cheers Peter Wonthaggi Australia http://repiet.cpc-world.com From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Saturday, 27 October 2012 12:24 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: RE-PIET flying characteristics Okay good people. Have flown RE-PIET now for five hours and thought I'd make an early pilot report. My darn GPS wouldn't turn on the first non-wind day I had, which was the day I had planned to get some accurate speeds.gotta love electronics. I have a wind vane airspeed indicator which isn't super accurate so I need something extra. She SEEMS to cruise at 70 at 2300. My favorite cruise condition is 2000, indicating around 60. Nice and quiet and she'll still climb, though slowly. Power off stalls are nice and gentle. Have no idea of the speed, the wind vane indicator reads zero. Power on stall is more like a mushing descent, it's hard to get a real break. She just hangs there like a Fokker D-7 with her nose in the air. She turns on a dime! After reading all the landing advice and watching hundres of landings over the last decade, I was prepared for a rather pronounced sink rate once I cut the engine. So the first few landings, I cut it closer than with the cub just to be prepared for the steep descent. and each time found myself floating across the runway longer than the cub! This is on 75 degree days on grass. She seems to float more than the cub I was flying, strange. I can't explain it because she's heavy, but maybe the wing axle fairing is helping a bit? Or the large airfoil wing tank? Who knows. So far she lands easier than the Cub, as it's really easy to decide when to stop her flying and because of that, you actually have more control of when things happen. She lands very easily. Yesterday was a no wind day and I was set up on final, coming right down at my aiming point and doing absolutely nothing with the controls thinking "shouldn't I be doing something"? felt weird as she just took care of herself until the roundout. Haven't tried best climb yet, need to get the gps fixed. I know I got 500fpm on the gps a few times, but have to experiment more. LIKES: Like the whole plane, she is delightful to fly. REALLY like the elevator servo trim system, VERY handy. Like the control placements for carb heat and mixture, on the left, under the control panel. Easy to reach but hard to see. Like the starter. Large wheels make taxiing over rough stuff pretty easy. Small tailwheel, makes the tail lighter. Nice having a powerful engine, I mainly cruise around now at 2000-2200 so she's sipping fuel like a smaller engine, but it's sure nice to have that power on climbout or just for fun. Smoking is fun!!!!! DISLIKES: Really would tilt back the pilots bulkhead a few degrees. Thank GOD I'm smallish. Have to figure something out for the fuel indicating system. My fuel indicator doesn't start reading until about five gallons which makes it kind of hard to keep track of things. I'm considering a small drop down tube type indicator in the back drain bung where I have my water drain. This could let me have accurate readings for probably the last six or seven gallons. We'll see. Small tailwheel. is lighter, but I'm sure I'll have to replace it regularly because it spins so fast. I have a bag of ten from McMaster Carr, takes three minutes to change. Have to keep those plexi windscreens clean or I can't see anything forward when landing into a setting sun. Note to self! Need to add longer "down pipes" to my long exhaust to direct the smoke from my smoke system away from the fuse and tail more. That stuff is yucky to clean. GPS is at Garmin now and I'll get some accurate numbers as soon as possible. So keep building, try to touch it every day, try to hit Brodhead as often as possible for ideas and motivation and then. keep building, DO NOT STOP and one day you will be looking at a finished aircraft, ready to fly. I promise!! THE ONLY TRICK IS TO NOT QUIT!! Who's flying up to Brodhead next year who I could hook up with? Should be a gaggle heading north and I want to tag along. Douwe ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:55:17 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Article in Museum of Flight Newsletter... Jake, great article and pic! Thanks for sharing. Jack Textor Do not archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of aerocarjake Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 5:46 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Article in Museum of Flight Newsletter... Not really intending this as self promotion - more like sharing - but here is a page from the most recent Seattle Museum of Flight's membership newsletter. It features a photo of me and my Pietenpol project... Enjoy....................... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386072#386072 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/jake_schultz_137.pdf ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:06:11 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT? From: helspersew@aol.com Does this FAA reg actually say I have to put a 406MHZ ELT in my Piet at som e point in the future? I was thinking I would just switch back and forth my existing $100 121.5 ELT that I have in the Aeronca. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: shad bell Sent: Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:57 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT? the cost went up when they switched to the 406MHZ elt from the old 121.5 el t's. Shad --- On Fri, 10/26/12, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote: From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT? artners, LLC]" Hmmmm....I never did install an ELT. My inspector never said anything abo ut it and I never spent the money on it. $588 for an ELT from Aircraft Spruce? Wow am I out of touch. href="htt p://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"; target=_blank href="ht tp://forums.matronics.com/"; target=_blank>http://forums.matronbsp; - List Contribution Web Site - ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:11:05 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: white faced flight instruments From: "nightmare" thanks Greg; that looks like the way to go. Paul -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386099#386099 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:20 AM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers Tom, I think you are reading your 3-piece wing plans incorrectly. My plans show the 3/32-thick centersection fittings bolted directly to the spar. The wing fittings fit outside the CS fitting. Thus the thickness of the material under the wing fitting is 3/32 inch to match the thickness of the CS fitting. OK? The fittings where the struts attach do not reallly matter, I guess. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 7:29 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers for those who have a 3/4 spar, did you go with the plans and use 1/8" ply doublers at the spar attach points or did you go to 1/4" since the original plans show the 1/8" doublers on a 1" spar - making it 1 1/4" thick rather than 1" Tom B. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:11 AM PST US From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers Chuck=2C I'm actually talking about the spot where the struts attach to the outer wi ng panel. There's a "u-shaped" strap that bolts to the spar over some ply doublers. The plans (not the CC plans) call for 1/8" but this was based on a 1" routed spar=2C thus making a 1 1/4" thick section at that point. If you're using a 3/4 spar and adding only the 1/8" doublers=2C you'd have a 1 " section at this point. I understand the CC dimensions are different and call for 3/32" doublers. Tom B. From: cncampbell@windstream.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers Tom=2C I think you are reading your 3-piece wing plans incorrectly. My plans show the 3/32-thick centersection fittings bolted directly to the spar. The wing fittings fit outside the CS fitting. Thus the thickness of the material under the wing fitting is 3/32 inch to match the thickness of the CS fitting. OK? The fittings where the struts attach do not reallly matter=2C I guess. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday=2C October 26=2C 2012 7:29 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers for those who have a 3/4 spar=2C did you go with the plans and use 1/8" ply doublers at the spar attach points or did you go to 1/4" since t he original plans show the 1/8" doublers on a 1" spar - making it 1 1/4" thi ck rather than 1" Tom B. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:09 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELT? From: "bender" Hey Dan The 121.5 is legal...I got lucky and found one of those ebc 102 elt's..really small and light jeff Louisville ky Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386106#386106 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:47:02 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: servo trim system, and prop size Jack, I just used the Ray Allen servo trim components that Aircraft Spruce sells. I purchased the servo with actuating rod and the cockpit rocker switch. Didn't bother with the position indicator. Found my own wire. Rick Holland turned me on to this system. He did a very nice inset trim tab on his elevator. I just inlet 1' of extruded piano hinge into the trailing edge as I was wanting to get finished. The whole system has got to be lighter than any other mechanical system I've seen installed, but it does need electric. To answer the prop question. I had Jay Anderson at Cloud Cars make up a 76X??? (can't remember what we decided on) because I am a strong advocate of swinging the largest prop possible on draggy airframes. The most it'll allow the engine to spin up is about 2450 straight and level. That might creep up to 2500 once the engine breaks in, but honestly I quite happy cruising around at 2000- 2200. The other day I tried taking off with 2300rpm and it worked fine. Douwe ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:54:58 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELT? From: helspersew@aol.com For how long? -----Original Message----- From: bender Sent: Sat, Oct 27, 2012 8:31 am Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELT? > Hey Dan The 121.5 is legal...I got lucky and found one of those ebc 102 elt's..real ly small and light jeff Louisville ky Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386106#386106 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:24 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT? Dan, I don't think that is legal, I think it states that any new installati on must be a 406 MHZ.- I will check the reg I could be mistaken.- Loop holes are usually there or at least open to interpretation.- Experimental s usually slide by easier than certified aircraft, because the builder can sign off the ann. cond. inspection, where as in a Cert. A/C an I.A. has to sign and be liable for what was installed in the A/C. - Shad --- On Sat, 10/27/12, helspersew@aol.com wrote: From: helspersew@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT? Does this FAA reg actually say I have to put a 406MHZ ELT in my Piet at som e point in the future? I was thinking I would just switch back and forth my existing $100 121.5 ELT that I have in the Aeronca. - - Dan Helsper Puryear, TN - -----Original Message----- From: shad bell Sent: Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:57 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT? the cost went up when they switched to the 406MHZ elt from the old 121.5 el t's. - Shad --- On Fri, 10/26/12, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote: From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT? artners, LLC]" Hmmmm....I never did install an ELT.---My inspector never said anythi ng about it and I never spent the money on it.--- $588 for an ELT from Aircraft Spruce?---Wow am I out of touch.- hre f="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"; target=_blank hr ef="http://forums.matronics.com/"; target=_blank>http://forums.matronbs p; - - - ---- List Contribution Web Site - " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:58:57 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers Sorry, Tom, I now see that you are looking for strut attach points, not "spar attach points." The attached picture again shows 1/8" doublers under the fittings, making the I.D. of the fitting 1". Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM MICHELLE BRANT Sent: Saturday, October 27, 2012 6:28 AM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers Chuck, I'm actually talking about the spot where the struts attach to the outer wing panel. There's a "u-shaped" strap that bolts to the spar over some ply doublers. The plans (not the CC plans) call for 1/8" but this was based on a 1" routed spar, thus making a 1 1/4" thick section at that point. If you're using a 3/4 spar and adding only the 1/8" doublers, you'd have a 1" section at this point. I understand the CC dimensions are different and call for 3/32" doublers. Tom B. _____ From: cncampbell@windstream.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers Tom, I think you are reading your 3-piece wing plans incorrectly. My plans show the 3/32-thick centersection fittings bolted directly to the spar. The wing fittings fit outside the CS fitting. Thus the thickness of the material under the wing fitting is 3/32 inch to match the thickness of the CS fitting. OK? The fittings where the struts attach do not reallly matter, I guess. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT Sent: Friday, October 26, 2012 7:29 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3/4 inch spar ply doublers for those who have a 3/4 spar, did you go with the plans and use 1/8" ply doublers at the spar attach points or did you go to 1/4" since the original plans show the 1/8" doublers on a 1" spar - making it 1 1/4" thick rather than 1" Tom B. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matronic s.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:12 AM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT? Now PLB Options I have a 4 year old "new" 121.5 ELT in my old bonanza. I just could not pop for a 406 at the time. 121.5 is no longer activly monitored and so is of less use. I would suggest getting one that uses common D Batteries, not special batteries. A little more up front cost that saves in the long run. My old ELT cost up to $50 just for the special battery pack. My "new" one requires off the shelf "Coppertop" batteries, I buy new ones, pull the old ones for my flashlights and keep moving. Easy and affordable. Based on disucssions with my fellow Vtail flyers I will buy a Personal Locator Beacon (PLB). It sends your location to a sattelite every couple of minutes. I will probably get a SPOT based one. I may also look at other ones such as Spidertrack, inreach, or TracMe . They may require telling someone to check their email. Here is a description from wikipaedia. SPOT SPOT does not use the 406 MHz signal nor the system of satellites. Instead, it depends on the GlobalStar satellite system. It has richer features (for instance, can send many non-emergency signals) but it does not work in as many places as 406 MHz PLBs for instance under dense forest canopy or steep canyons.[34] When a user presses the "911" button on a SPOT device an emergency message containing the unit's identification and GPS location is transmitted to the GEOS International Emergency Response Center who then notifies the appropriate emergency agency for the region after first calling the user to ensure the transmission is not accidental.[35][36] SPOT additionally has the ability to provide non-emergency web based tracking information. This allows family or friends at home to track the holder's progress. The tracking operates by sending a tracking signal to the GlobalStar network every 10 minutes. This feature can additionally be useful to provide location of an individual even if the individual is unable to activate the emergency '911' button.[37] Typical costs are $169 plus a $99/year service fee for basic services or $150/yr for basic services and tracking services, as compared to around $250 for a 406-MHz PLB with no service fee. Blue Skies, Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: bender Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELT? > > Hey Dan > The 121.5 is legal...I got lucky and found one of those ebc 102 elt's..really small and light > > jeff > Louisville ky > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386106#386106 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:51 AM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT? Hi Dan, I don't believe the 406 is required yet. I just had to replace the one in my Cub and was still able to get the old one from ACS for about $160. Like Mikee, I don't have on in 503R either. -john- John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Oct 27, 2012, at 7:05 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: > Does this FAA reg actually say I have to put a 406MHZ ELT in my Piet at some point in the future? I was thinking I would just switch back and forth my existing $100 121.5 ELT that I have in the Aeronca. > > > Dan Helsper > Puryear, TN > > -----Original Message----- > From: shad bell > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:57 pm > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT? > > the cost went up when they switched to the 406MHZ elt from the old 121.5 elt's. > > Shad > > --- On Fri, 10/26/12, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote: > > From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] > Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT? > To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com" > Date: Friday, October 26, 2012, 11:41 AM > (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" > > Hmmmm....I never did install an ELT. My inspector never said anything about it and I never spent > the money on it. > > $588 for an ELT from Aircraft Spruce? Wow am I out of touch. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"; target=_blank href="http://forums.matronics.com/"; target=_blank>http://forums.matronbsp; - List Contribution Web Site - > > > > > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:20 AM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT? Just looked it up either is acceptable to domesic ops inside the USA.- Me xico, and Canada both require 406MHZ.- Any aircraft with more than 1 seat requires an elt, unless it remains inside a 50 NM radius of where the flig ht originated from........moving 50 mile radius hmmm.........is each leg a new point of origin?- 50 mile legs are short even for a piet.- Now for reality, if you can get away with it well then, go with it. - Shad --- On Sat, 10/27/12, John Hofmann wrote: From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT? Hi Dan, I don't believe the 406 is required yet. I just had to replace the one in m y Cub and was still able to get the old one from ACS for about $160. Like M ikee, I don't have on in 503R either. -john- John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email:-jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Oct 27, 2012, at 7:05 AM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: Does this FAA reg actually say I have to put a 406MHZ ELT in my Piet at som e point in the future? I was thinking I would just switch back and forth my existing $100 121.5 ELT that I have in the Aeronca. - - Dan Helsper Puryear, TN - -----Original Message----- From: shad bell Sent: Fri, Oct 26, 2012 9:57 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: ELT? the cost went up when they switched to the 406MHZ elt from the old 121.5 el t's. - Shad --- On Fri, 10/26/12, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote: From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] Subject: Pietenpol-List: ELT? artners, LLC]" Hmmmm....I never did install an ELT.---My inspector never said anythi ng about it and I never spent the money on it.--- $588 for an ELT from Aircraft Spruce?---Wow am I out of touch.- hre f="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List"; target=_blank hr ef="http://forums.matronics.com/"; target=_blank>http://forums.matronbs p; - - - ---- List Contribution Web Site - " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List">http://www.matro nics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List href="http://forums.matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/con tribution ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:43 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: ELT? From: "TriScout" The way I understand it, the basic 121.5 model is fine..The nice thing about the 406 model, is you have the option of also wiring in your gps antenna....even with a small older handheld model like I have...so that it can pinpoint you when you crash... larry http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksmpLpkGsic&feature=plcp Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386121#386121 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:12:09 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: End of an Era From: "pineymb" This is somewhat off topic but because it is the last flying example on its last flight to the museum, I thought it might be of interest to some. I apologize for the low quality of the filming, complete with wind noise but I happen to be only person other than the local media to take footage. To the best of my knowledge, this is one of the first if not the first airplane purchased by Canadian Airways (now known as Air Canada) in 1937 for regular passenger service between Vancouver and Seattle. Also as we all know, this was the aircraft type flown by Amelia Earhart in her ill fated attempt around the globe. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BFOVguFcVs Do not archive -------- Adrian M Winnipeg, MB Canada Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386123#386123 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 06:09:19 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: RE-PIET flying characteristics From: "taildrags" Douwe: If I were a betting man, I would bet that you're bringing Re-Piet down final at about 63-65 MPH and that's why it's floating on down the runway. When you get your GPS (or a REAL airspeed indicator), try flying final at 60, then at 57-58, then when you're comfortable with that, fly final at 54-55... but only if it's not gusty. What a difference a few MPH makes-! At 55 MPH, Scout feels like it's coming down on rails that are sloping at 45 degrees down to the threshold. If I'm high or fast on final, I can throw the airplane into a slip and get it down so fast that the ground almost swallows me up. I used to have to do that to land it on the grass ahead of the paved runway at 8T8, because there was a row of trees on the final approach path and I would kick it into a hard slip over the trees, kick it out down close to the grass, then roll out as pretty as you please before getting to the paved threshold and let the grass do all the braking. 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