Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Tue 10/30/12


Total Messages Posted: 38



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 03:29 AM - Re: Re: Tank cap (Jack)
     2. 04:19 AM - Re: Tank cap (Jerry Dotson)
     3. 04:23 AM - Re: Last Flight (Jim Markle)
     4. 05:30 AM - Re: Last Flight (helspersew@aol.com)
     5. 06:07 AM - Piet Fuse Extension (Mark Wiencek)
     6. 06:19 AM - fuel proof float (Douwe Blumberg)
     7. 06:35 AM - Re: fuel proof float (Hans van der Voort)
     8. 06:36 AM - Re: fuel proof float (steve@wotelectronics.com)
     9. 06:57 AM - Re: ELTs (kevinpurtee)
    10. 07:06 AM - Re: ELTs (Luke W.)
    11. 07:16 AM - Re: Last Flight (AircamperN11MS)
    12. 07:41 AM - Re: ELTs (TriScout)
    13. 07:50 AM - Re: fuel proof float (Jerry Dotson)
    14. 07:53 AM - Front seat controls (C N Campbell)
    15. 08:28 AM - Re: Last Flight (Michael Groah)
    16. 08:28 AM - Re: Re: fuel proof float (gboothe5@comcast.net)
    17. 09:13 AM - Re: Front seat controls (kevinpurtee)
    18. 09:48 AM - Re: Piet Fuse Extension (skipgadd@earthlink.net)
    19. 10:07 AM - Re: Front seat controls (tools)
    20. 11:25 AM - Re: Front seat controls (gcardinal@comcast.net)
    21. 11:25 AM - Official Fish Scale (Gene Rambo)
    22. 11:39 AM - Re: Official Fish Scale (helspersew@aol.com)
    23. 11:44 AM - Re: Front seat controls (helspersew@aol.com)
    24. 12:41 PM - Re: Last Flight (Jim Boyer)
    25. 02:11 PM - Attatching ribs to spar? (FandS_Piet)
    26. 02:25 PM - Re: Attatching ribs to spar? (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
    27. 02:27 PM - new to the forum (Jeffery Hammer)
    28. 02:31 PM - Re: Attatching ribs to spar? (Mario Giacummo)
    29. 02:45 PM - Re: new to the forum (Gary Boothe)
    30. 02:46 PM - Re: Attatching ribs to spar? (Gary Boothe)
    31. 02:57 PM - Re: Attatching ribs to spar? (tools)
    32. 03:51 PM - Re: new to the forum (Jeffery Hammer)
    33. 03:51 PM - cool fuel gauge (Douwe Blumberg)
    34. 04:04 PM - Re: Attatching ribs to spar? (Don Emch)
    35. 04:27 PM - Re: Attatching ribs to spar? (John Francis)
    36. 04:36 PM - Re: Attatching ribs to spar? (FandS_Piet)
    37. 05:57 PM - Axle pins (John Greenlee)
    38. 06:02 PM - Re: cool fuel gauge (nightmare)
 
 
 


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    Time: 03:29:49 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tank cap
    From: Jack <jack@textors.com>
    Oscar I'm inclined to believe your guru. Have been searching the web for caps and or necks that will fill the need. Thanks all for the help Sent from my iPad Jack Textor Do not archive On Oct 29, 2012, at 9:53 PM, "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Jack; > > My J-3 guru says that the stock Cub setup is for a quarter-turn locking cap, not threaded. You have some kind of hermaphrodite tank with a threaded neck, or else it was used in something else that required a neck extension to get the cap up to the cowl (the more likely possibility). > > FWIW, my cheapie tap & die set has a little feeler-gauge type thing where each blade has teeth cut into it with its corresponding thread pitch. You just put the teeth of each blade up to your threaded part till you find one that fits, then read the thread pitch off the blade and voila. At any rate, you may need to fabricate something that threads onto your tank neck. Quarter-turn filler necks and caps are easy to come by... I got one from Summit Racing to build the aluminum smoke oil tank that I have for Scout (still not installed). It uses a spring-loaded and gasketed radiator type cap on it. They sell all the parts needed to fabricate your own fuel or oil tank and there are several filler necks and caps available. Or, you can cut the threaded part off your neck and weld on a new piece that has the quarter-turn lock on the top end. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC &quot;Scout&quot; > A75 power > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386250#386250 > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 04:19:49 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Tank cap
    From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net>
    Jack it looks like maybe 1 1/2" pipe threads. The link below has all the specs on pipe threads. A trip to the hardware store can confirm my thought. A hardware store pipe cap may not be very pretty but at least you will know for sure if it fits. http://www.engineersedge.com/hardware/taper-pipe-threads.htm -------- Jerry Dotson First flight June 16,2012 Started building July, 2009 Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386265#386265


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    Time: 04:23:49 AM PST US
    From: Jim Markle <jim_markle@mindspring.com>
    Subject: Re: Last Flight
    Gary! GREAT pictures....thanks!!! -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: Oct 29, 2012 5:24 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Last Flight Unless Mike Groah or Scott Liefield speak up, Im claiming Last Flight for the week (one advantage of living on the Left Coast). A beautiful 75 deg Fall evening, just before sunset, yesterday! Gary Boothe NX308MB


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    Time: 05:30:11 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Last Flight
    From: helspersew@aol.com
    Gary, You are livin he dream man! Just go for it. Take it all in....savor..... Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> Sent: Mon, Oct 29, 2012 5:26 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Last Flight Unless Mike Groah or Scott Liefield speak up, I=99m claiming Last Fli ght for the week (one advantage of living on the Left Coast). A beautiful 7 5 deg Fall evening, just before sunset, yesterday! Gary Boothe NX308MB


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    Time: 06:07:43 AM PST US
    From: "Mark Wiencek" <mscca@comcast.net>
    Subject: Piet Fuse Extension
    All, I would like any comments on my proposed Piet fuselage modifications. I plan to build a steel tube fuse version using the GN-1 layout, but modified to provide more pilot room and considerations to CG and tail feather location. The planned pilot weight is 210 pound. Planned engine is a Corvair. Note I plan to widen and deepen the fuselage at the pilot, but my primary concern is the additional length and where I have added it. Please see the attached .jpeg and see the revised measurements on the upper layout showing the new measurement and the amount in inches of what I added to that bay, i.e. +3, +1, etc. The resultant overall fuselage length is 178.5" I would greatly appreciate any constructive comments on my proposed length mods. Thanks, Mark Lake City, FL


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    Time: 06:19:08 AM PST US
    From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
    Subject: fuel proof float
    Hey, If I need to make a float for a fuel gauge, what materials can I use? Can I just use cork or does it need to be coated with something? And if it needs to be coated, what with? Is there something besides cork that works? Douwe


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    Time: 06:35:02 AM PST US
    From: Hans van der Voort <nx15kv@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: fuel proof float
    I used a fuel float from a 1965 Mustang, its a brass float small enough to fit through most fuel filler necks.=0A-=0Ahttp://www.mustangsunlimited.co m/itemdy01.asp?T1=240075+01&Category=Air%2FFuel&subCategory=Fuel+Rela ted&SubSubCategory=Fuel+Sending+Units&CatKey=EMUSTANG=0AFollow the link =0A-=0AHans=0A-=0ANX 15KV=0AWaller, TX=0A =0A=0A_______________________ _________=0A From: Douwe Blumberg <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>=0ATo: piete npolgroup <pietenpol-list@matronics.com> =0ASent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 8:18 AM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: fuel proof float=0A =0A=0A =0AHey, =0A - =0AIf I need to make a float for a fuel gauge, what materials=0Acan I u se?- Can I just use cork or does it need to be coated with something?- And=0Aif it needs to be coated, what with?- Is there something besides co ====


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    Time: 06:36:37 AM PST US
    From: steve@wotelectronics.com
    Subject: Re: fuel proof float
    I coated my cork with T-88, it has been working great for about 7 years, continuously immersed. Shellac didn't work well for me at all, it would bubble and peel in a week. Steve Ruse Norman, OK On 2012-10-30 08:18, Douwe Blumberg wrote: > Hey, > > If I need to make a float for a fuel gauge, what materials can I use? Can I just use cork or does it need to be coated with something? And if it needs to be coated, what with? Is there something besides cork that works? > > Douwe > > HTTP://WWW.MATRONICS.COM/CONTRIBUTION


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    Time: 06:57:41 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: ELTs
    From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
    @Larry - We should be worried deeply about not being found. Had I flown another 3 minutes before my engine quit and had a bad arrival in the middle of a huge cornfield, the SPOT would've been the only way to find me. Time was critical in getting me help after my incident, BTW. The ELT would have allowed them to find my body. @Ken - Excellent point about pressing the "HELP" button on the way down, if you have time. There's nothing like experience. -------- Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386275#386275


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    Time: 07:06:14 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: ELTs
    From: "Luke W." <luke.wuest@centurytel.net>
    Hi Gang, We use Spidertracks at work in our single engine cessna 180s. They work similair to SPOT, but are aviation dedicated, Where SPOT is being marketed to hiker, hunters and aviation. It depends what you are willing to pay, they have a feature that will automatically send the S&R if the unit sense lose of power and stops moving. It is not g-activated, like an ELT, but should provide similar protection, this feature is by subscription only. Basic service is just like SPOT, it leaves a breadcrumb trail every two minutes and with loss of power/accident should get the CAP close, but will not call out the troops if you do not press the emergency button. We have added this to our emegrncy checklist. Luke Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386276#386276


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    Time: 07:16:04 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Last Flight
    From: "AircamperN11MS" <Scott.liefeld@lacity.org>
    Gary, I flew yesterday, 10-30-12. Got about a little more than an hour in hopping a ride then some goofing off. Beautiful day out. Was finished about 2pm. perhaps you were out later than that. Gotta love the left coast. Year around flying for us. -------- Scott Liefeld Flying N11MS since March 1972 Steel Tube C-85-12 Wire Wheels Brodhead in 1996 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386282#386282


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    Time: 07:41:36 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: ELTs
    From: "TriScout" <apfelcyber@yahoo.com>
    Good point. Maybe I should have my gps wired into the new 406 after all. There's an extra hookup for that. I just have to do some splicing and soldering. The instructions for that are included. Larry Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386286#386286


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    Time: 07:50:25 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: fuel proof float
    From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net>
    Douwe I used this thing from MAC's Antique Auto Parts. part#A9312FLM http://macsautoparts.com/model-a-ford-gas-gauge-float-modern-neoprene-improved-compound-a9312flm/camid/MDA/cp/JS0R3CHL1120838/year/0/make// It has a 1/16" hole through it. I easily pushed a 3/32" brass brazing rod through it. I am using 10% methanol gas in it. Working fine. -------- Jerry Dotson First flight June 16,2012 Started building July, 2009 Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386288#386288


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    Time: 07:53:53 AM PST US
    From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net>
    Subject: Front seat controls
    I am currently in the throes of deciding whether to put controls in the front cockpit. I am at the point of HAVING TO MAKE A DECISION! I would like to know from those having front seat controls -- "How often do you fly passengers who actually take over the controls from you?" I can only think of one person who I would actually give over controls to and I just wonder how often he/she would fly with me. Please give me some guidance. Chuck


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    Time: 08:28:28 AM PST US
    From: Michael Groah <dskogrover@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Last Flight
    Well Gary... I did fly Sunday afternoon but looking at the angle of the sun in your pics I'd guess you were up after I was and get the award for he wh o flew last.=C2- I did get 1.9 hours in which put me at 20.8 hours flight time in the Pietenpol so I'm plugging away at my phase one test period.=C2 -=0A=0AI'm looking forward to our West Coast Piet Gathering so we can par k together at Frazier Lake.=0A=0AMike Groah=0A414MV=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_________ _______________________=0A From: Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net>=0ATo: p ietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, October 29, 2012 3:24 PM=0ASub ject: Pietenpol-List: Last Flight=0A =0A=0AUnless Mike Groah or Scott Liefi eld speak up, I=99m claiming Last Flight for the week (one advantage of living on the Left Coast). A beautiful 75 deg Fall evening, just before sunset, yesterday!=0A=C2-=0A=0A=0A=C2-=0AGary Boothe=0ANX308MB


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    Time: 08:28:28 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: fuel proof float
    From: gboothe5@comcast.net
    It's the right vintage, too! Gary NX 308MB ------Original Message------ From: Jerry Dotson Sender: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com ReplyTo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: fuel proof float Sent: Oct 30, 2012 7:50 AM Douwe I used this thing from MAC's Antique Auto Parts. part#A9312FLM http://macsautoparts.com/model-a-ford-gas-gauge-float-modern-neoprene-improved-compound-a9312flm/camid/MDA/cp/JS0R3CHL1120838/year/0/make// It has a 1/16" hole through it. I easily pushed a 3/32" brass brazing rod through it. I am using 10% methanol gas in it. Working fine. -------- Jerry Dotson First flight June 16,2012 Started building July, 2009 Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386288#386288 Sent on the Sprint Now Network from my BlackBerry


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    Time: 09:13:04 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Front seat controls
    From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
    Hi Chuck - Some guys build the controls so that you can take out the front stick and un-hook the pedals. That's an option. With the exception of a couple of people wanting to see how the airplane flies, I could have gone forever without controls in the front seat. Makes it easier to store stuff up there. -------- Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386297#386297


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    Time: 09:48:05 AM PST US
    From: "skipgadd@earthlink.net" <skipgadd@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Piet Fuse Extension
    Mark, I like the idea of adding to the pilot pit, the Grega back pit is really small. I might add 3" to it and only 2" to the front bay, you can add an inch or more to the engine mount. You may want to make a mock-up of the pilot pit area, I am somewhat smaller than you and my Grega pit is non too big. If you found the pit too small even with the 2" or 3" added you could move the diagonal at the top of the seat aft to get more room. Also, unless you plan to use a J3 landing gear, you could eliminate the 9 1/2" bay and run the aft gear leg back to the same place the aft lift strut hits the lower longeron, like Piet plans. Skip ----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Wiencek Sent: 10/30/2012 9:10:07 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Piet Fuse Extension All, I would like any comments on my proposed Piet fuselage modifications. I plan to build a steel tube fuse version using the GN-1 layout, but modified to provide more pilot room and considerations to CG and tail feather location. The planned pilot weight is 210 pound. Planned engine is a Corvair. Note I plan to widen and deepen the fuselage at the pilot, but my primary concern is the additional length and where I have added it. Please see the attached .jpeg and see the revised measurements on the upper layout showing the new measurement and the amount in inches of what I added to that bay, i.e. +3, +1, etc. The resultant overall fuselage length is 178.5 I would greatly appreciate any constructive comments on my proposed length mods. Thanks, Mark Lake City, FL


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    Time: 10:07:27 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Front seat controls
    From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
    NX2RN came with front seat controls minus a throttle. So we rigged one up and my son learned to fly from the front seat of a Piet. No instruments at all. I think a slip indicator and airspeed would be nice though. There are good arguments both ways. Easier to remove them than add them later. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386300#386300


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    Time: 11:25:13 AM PST US
    From: gcardinal@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: Front seat controls
    NX18235 was built with front seat controls that were easy to remove. The fr ont seat controls were removed in 2006 and never re-installed. Haven't missed them. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:54:00 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Front seat controls I am currently in the throes of deciding whether to put controls in the fro nt cockpit.=C2- I am at the point of=C2-=C2-HAVING TO MAKE A DECISION !=C2- I would like to know from those having front seat controls -- "How often do you fly passengers who actually take over the controls from you?" =C2- I can only think of one person who I would actually give over contro ls to and I just wonder how often he/she would fly with me.=C2- Please gi ===================== ==


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    Time: 11:25:13 AM PST US
    Subject: Official Fish Scale
    From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
    Helsper......send it! Gene Rambo


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    Time: 11:39:15 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Official Fish Scale
    From: helspersew@aol.com
    Gene, Can it wait till 11/6? I am just now fixin' to get on a plane for a week's travel. Send me your address off-list!! Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> Sent: Tue, Oct 30, 2012 1:25 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Official Fish Scale Helsper......send it! Gene Rambo


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    Time: 11:44:24 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Front seat controls
    From: helspersew@aol.com
    Mine are removable. Used this feature once at Brodhead last year. Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: gcardinal <gcardinal@comcast.net> Sent: Tue, Oct 30, 2012 1:25 pm Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Front seat controls NX18235 was built with front seat controls that were easy to remove. The fr ont seat controls were removed in 2006 and never re-installed. Haven't missed them. Greg Cardinal From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net> Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 9:54:00 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Front seat controls I am currently in the throes of deciding whether to put controls in the fro nt cockpit. I am at the point of HAVING TO MAKE A DECISION! I would like to know from those having front seat controls -- "How often do you fly pas sengers who actually take over the controls from you?" I can only think of one person who I would actually give over controls to and I just wonder ho w often he/she would fly with me. Please give me some guidance. Chuck 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D


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    Time: 12:41:06 PM PST US
    From: Jim Boyer <boyerjrb@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Last Flight
    Okay Gary, I did it and I think I'm seeing the airport. Would be nice to have so much flat country near for first few hours; too many big hills over here. Thanks, Jim


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    Time: 02:11:04 PM PST US
    Subject: Attatching ribs to spar?
    From: "FandS_Piet" <fkim79@gmail.com>
    I didn't know if we are supposed to glue the ribs onto the spar or just nail them in place as shown on the plans. Once the fabric is shrunk that should be enough to hold them in place right? We are getting ready to varnish and I'm thinking it will be lot easier to varnish the ribs before they are on the spar but don't want to varnish the areas that will be glued. Thanks -------- Fred Kim Pittsburgh, Pa Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386318#386318


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    Time: 02:25:09 PM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: Attatching ribs to spar?
    Fred-- there are lots of ways to do this but I preferred to glue and nail the ribs to my spars---not required but it gave me assurance that they weren't going to move around. Technically after you tighten your drag and anti-drag cables the ribs should not be able to move anywhere and some guys have done it like this without glue or nails but for me I just wanted a dab of glue and two nails, nothing fancy but enough to satisfy me. I know the weather in PA isn't conducive to this right now but I ended up spraying my wing with diluted spar varnish (mineral spirits to thin) on a set of sawhorses on a limestone driveway back when I built my plane and that worked like a charm. I used a Hudson spray container or bug sprayer like you'd find at a garden department and I think it was a 1.5, 2.0 gallon plastic one. The varnish gets in all the nooks and cranies and you have to flip the wing over of course a time or two while drying so you minimize drips but overall it was a great, fast, and easy way to do the job. I ended up using Helmsman Quick Dry spar urethane from Lowe's or Home Depot and thinned a bit more with mineral spirits so it would spray well. It took three sessions to get the wing coated like I wanted with some finish sanding around the edges and wing rib top and bottoms where the fabric was going to lay so the little porcupine bristles of the wood fibers didn't show. Mike C. Cleveland, OH


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    Time: 02:27:50 PM PST US
    Subject: new to the forum
    From: Jeffery Hammer <jefferyhammer@gmail.com>
    Hello everyone, I have just joined the forum and reading the Piet post. I bought a project looks I believe the fuselage is a GN-1 type or at least it's steel tube. Supposedly it was assembled at one time but never flew I bought it out of a shed where it had been for the last 10 years. I'm in the process of stripping it down. The project came with a Corvair engine which I wold like to sell. Any idea what it's worth or where would be a good place to list it? Thanks, Jeff


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    Time: 02:31:11 PM PST US
    From: Mario Giacummo <mario.giacummo@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Attatching ribs to spar?
    I do not know, but I glue them with epoxy, above and under the spar, even I put a little piece of wood to fill the gap of the angle. https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/VQFQHuLQxbtIy1zs2nESH9MTjNZETYmyPJy0liipFm0?feat=directlink Mario Giacummo . -..- .. ... - .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .... . -.-. .... --- --..-- / ...- .. ...- .. .-. / . ... / ..- -. / .- .-. - . 2012/10/30 FandS_Piet <fkim79@gmail.com> > > I didn't know if we are supposed to glue the ribs onto the spar or just > nail them in place as shown on the plans. Once the fabric is shrunk that > should be enough to hold them in place right? We are getting ready to > varnish and I'm thinking it will be lot easier to varnish the ribs before > they are on the spar but don't want to varnish the areas that will be glued. > Thanks > > -------- > Fred Kim > Pittsburgh, Pa > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386318#386318 > >


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    Time: 02:45:58 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: new to the forum
    Welcome Jeff! Send some pics as soon as possible.we would all like to see your project! I have a Corvair powered Piet that's got more power than it needs. I love that engine! Curious why you want to sell yours? Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeffery Hammer Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 2:28 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: new to the forum Hello everyone, I have just joined the forum and reading the Piet post. I bought a project looks I believe the fuselage is a GN-1 type or at least it's steel tube. Supposedly it was assembled at one time but never flew I bought it out of a shed where it had been for the last 10 years. I'm in the process of stripping it down. The project came with a Corvair engine which I wold like to sell. Any idea what it's worth or where would be a good place to list it? Thanks, Jeff


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    Time: 02:46:56 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Attatching ribs to spar?
    I used wedges and nails. No glue. Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of FandS_Piet Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 2:11 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Attatching ribs to spar? I didn't know if we are supposed to glue the ribs onto the spar or just nail them in place as shown on the plans. Once the fabric is shrunk that should be enough to hold them in place right? We are getting ready to varnish and I'm thinking it will be lot easier to varnish the ribs before they are on the spar but don't want to varnish the areas that will be glued. Thanks -------- Fred Kim Pittsburgh, Pa Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386318#386318


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    Time: 02:57:22 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Attatching ribs to spar?
    From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
    I can see a nail or two, or a spot of glue, but even more so than the anti-drag wires, the rib stitching is not going to let them move ANYWHERE. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386328#386328


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    Time: 03:51:25 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: new to the forum
    From: Jeffery Hammer <jefferyhammer@gmail.com>
    Gary, You just stated my reason more power than it needs. I'm going with a 65 Con nie I was going to use the AeroVee 80 hp but it doesn't have the torque of t he 65. Speed is in the wing and 70 is fast enough for me I don't need to bu rn 7 gph when I can fly at 3.7 gph. I'll try to upload pictures later on. Thanks for your input look forward to learning all I can. Jeff Sent from my iPad On Oct 30, 2012, at 5:45 PM, "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote: > Welcome Jeff! Send some pics as soon as possiblewe would all like to see your project! I have a Corvair powered Piet that=99s got more p ower than it needs. I love that engine! Curious why you want to sell yours? > > Gary Boothe > NX308MB > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-li st-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jeffery Hammer > Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2012 2:28 PM > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Subject: Pietenpol-List: new to the forum > > Hello everyone, > > I have just joined the forum and reading the Piet post. I bought a p roject looks I believe the fuselage is a GN-1 type or at least it's steel tu be. Supposedly it was assembled at one time but never flew I bought it out o f a shed where it had been for the last 10 years. I'm in the process of str ipping it down. The project came with a Corvair engine which I wold like to sell. Any idea what it's worth or where would be a good place to list it? > > Thanks, > > Jeff > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > http://forums.matronics.com > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= >


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    Time: 03:51:25 PM PST US
    From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
    Subject: cool fuel gauge
    Hey all, I have to make a second fuel gauge that will read the last eight gallons or so, so I'm not always having to guesstimate. So for those of you making (or modifying) a wing tank and looking for a drop down fuel gauge set up, ck this out. In my search I found these brass site gauges at Mcmaster Carr (go to vented oil level indicators, then you'll see some straight ones) and they are so cool I thought I should post them. Lots of guys over the years have modified ACS versions or made their own, but these are almost ready to go and very professional looking, and not expensive. All one needs to do is plug the vent hole at the bottom, make up a little float/wire set up and you're ready to go. They come in most NPT so they'll fit fuel tank bungs. I got one and it's all shiny brass and real glass. really nice. I'm getting a shorter one and modifying the base to accept a curtis drain valve since that's where I drain water from my tank. http://www.mcmaster.com/#liquid-level-gauges/=jxl2cj Douwe


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    Time: 04:04:22 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Attatching ribs to spar?
    From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
    Fred, I say nail and glue. The wing gains a lot of stiffness when you glue those uprights to the face of the spar. Many wings use compression struts that hold the spars square vertically in relation to each other (make sense...?) The Piet uses a separate compression strut on the top and bottom of the spar. Good setup but I think it relies a little bit on the stiffness gained from the uprights that were added to the ribs a little later in the plans. The plywood leading edge adds lots of stiffness too. Probably not a big deal but just my observation. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386331#386331


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    Time: 04:27:26 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Attatching ribs to spar?
    From: "John Francis" <Mrkringles@msn.com>
    Wedges, glue and stainless steel pin nails. -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386334#386334 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/dsc07764_657.jpg


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    Time: 04:36:49 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Attatching ribs to spar?
    From: "FandS_Piet" <fkim79@gmail.com>
    Thanks for all the quick responses guy. Sounds like nail and glue it will be for me. -------- Fred Kim Pittsburgh, Pa Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386335#386335


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    Time: 05:57:10 PM PST US
    Subject: Axle pins
    From: John Greenlee <jmgreenlee@sbcglobal.net>
    Hello, I am building a straight axle with brakes a la Curmudgeon and Helspar. What is a good length for the pins that prevent the axle from rolling? Thx! JMG NX899JG will live again! Sent from my iPhone


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    Time: 06:02:24 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: cool fuel gauge
    From: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
    i was just trying to figure out my options on reading my fuel level. which one did you get? is if for the wing center tank? thats what i plan on using it for. Paul -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386340#386340




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