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2. 11:02 AM - Varnish Coats (Michael Perez)
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| Subject: | Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 10/31/12 |
Hi everyone
when varnishing spars, ribs etc. are you only putting on one coat or multip
les
Thanks Bruce
--- On Thu, 11/1/12, Pietenpol-List Digest Server <pietenpol-list@matronics
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From: Pietenpol-List Digest Server <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 10/31/12
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Today's Message Index:
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- ---1. 05:03 AM - Re: Front seat controls- (Michael Perez)
- ---2. 05:06 AM - Re: Attatching ribs to spar?- (Michael Perez)
- ---3. 05:10 AM - Re: Axle pins- (Michael Perez)
- ---4. 05:47 AM - overhead fuel gauge- (Douwe Blumberg)
- ---5. 06:50 AM - Re: Attatching ribs to spar?- (Greg Bacon)
- ---6. 07:02 AM - Re: Attatching ribs to spar?- (TOM STINEMETZE)
- ---7. 07:07 AM - Re: Attatching ribs to spar?- (Greg Bacon)
- ---8. 11:08 AM - Re: Front seat controls- (nightmare)
- ---9. 08:01 PM - Front seat controls- (Oscar Zuniga)
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Time: 05:03:29 AM PST US
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Front seat controls
Chuck, I have the front control stick removable. No instruments up front an
d no
throttle.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Time: 05:06:21 AM PST US
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Attatching ribs to spar?
I copied what Mike C. did but I used the water based spar varnish and thinn
ed with water. As he did, I used a store bought, hand pumped sprayer, laid
down plastic sheet in the garage and used saw horses.- I have pictures if
interested.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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Time: 05:10:51 AM PST US
From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Axle pins
John, the axle pins need to be long enough to allow some vertical movement
for the bungee suspension.- You'll also need enough length to then pass t
hrough whatever method used to hold said pin.- My pins are about 5" long
measured from the bottom of the axle. I have lots of pictures, if intereste
d.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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Time: 05:47:51 AM PST US
From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: overhead fuel gauge
I bought the 6" long one, but then realized, my tank is only a bit over fou
r
inches deep at the back so the extra depth was a waste, especially behind
the passengers head.- I'm ordering a 4.5 incher now.- Depends on what s
ize
your tank bung is, but you don't need more depth than the tank has.
Did some research and the seals are supposedly fine for all fuels. If you
want a six incher, I'll sell you mine.
Douwe
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Time: 06:50:09 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Attatching ribs to spar?
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67@gmail.com>
Hi Fred,
I used T88 epoxy, stainless nails, and wedges to attach ribs.- The nails
were used for clamping pressure while the epoxy cured.
After all the woodwork was completed, I sealed the wood with Poly Fiber's
EV-400 epoxy varnish (and EV-410 epoxy varnish catalyst) thinned with E-500
epoxy reducer.- The thinned varnish did penetrate into the wood very well
.
I applied three coats with a brush.- Although the results were great, it
took quite a bit of time and was a tedius process.- By the way, I built a
wing rotator and used it most of the time throughout the wing build
process.- It was extremely helpful during the varnish process as well as
covering & painting.
Consider a wing varnish party!!!- Beer, brats, music, and a bunch of
friends/relatives.- Drips and runs can be sanded out later.
;-)
Greg
On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 4:10 PM, FandS_Piet <fkim79@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I didn't know if we are supposed to glue the ribs onto the spar or just
> nail them in place as shown on the plans.- Once the fabric is shrunk th
at
> should be enough to hold them in place right? We are getting ready to
> varnish and I'm thinking it will be lot easier to varnish the ribs before
> they are on the spar but don't want to varnish the areas that will be glu
ed.
> Thanks
>
> --------
> Fred Kim
> Pittsburgh, Pa
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386318#386318
>
>
--
Greg Bacon
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Time: 07:02:17 AM PST US
From: "TOM STINEMETZE" <TOMS@mcpcity.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Attatching ribs to spar?
>>Consider a wing varnish party!!! Beer, brats, music, and a bunch of frien
ds/relatives.
Drips and runs can be sanded out later.---;-)
>>Greg
Greg:- Serve something besides beer and the drips probably wouldn't leave
runs
to sand out later.- 8^]
Stinemetze
do not archive
________________________________- Message 7- __________________________
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Time: 07:07:02 AM PST US
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Attatching ribs to spar?
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67@gmail.com>
Good point Tom!
do not archive
On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 9:01 AM, TOM STINEMETZE <TOMS@mcpcity.com> wrote:
>
> >>Consider a wing varnish party!!! Beer, brats, music, and a bunch of
> friends/relatives. Drips and runs can be sanded out later.---;-)
>
> >>Greg
>
> Greg:- Serve something besides beer and the drips probably wouldn't lea
ve
> runs to sand out later.- 8^]
>
> Stinemetze
> do not archive
>
>
--
Greg Bacon
________________________________- Message 8- __________________________
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Time: 11:08:32 AM PST US
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Front seat controls
From: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
i plan on teaching my kids how to fly up front, so ill be putting brakes, t
hrottle,
stick and a few instruments. Like others have said, easier to remove if you
change your mind. Also it may be mandatory for a future buyer. I owned a cu
b
and gave loads of rides in it, simply told folks not to touch anything, and
was never a problem. if its good enough for piper, its good enough for me.
--------
Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
do not archive
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386388#386388
________________________________- Message 9- __________________________
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Time: 08:01:34 PM PST US
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Front seat controls
Chuck=3B
To answer your question directly=2C I have rarely taken passengers up wit
h
the intent of giving them the controls so in that respect=2C the controls
d
on't serve a frequent purpose.- However=2C I got my Air Camper checkout
fly
ing Scout from the front seat (no instruments=2C no brakes=2C no fuel s
huto
ff valve=2C no carb heat!) and I have checked out another pilot or two in
t
he airplane while I flew front seat and they were in back.- I have also f
lo
wn numerous flights with a buddy where I have flown navigator position in f
ront with him as PIC in back=2C and had him ask me to take the controls w
hi
le he peeled of a jacket=2C put on a jacket=2C or made other adjustment
s.-
It was handy to have that capability=2C but certainly not something that
ha
ppens frequently.- I think it heightens the joy and wonder of a first fli
gh
t if you offer a passenger the opportunity to take the controls and let the
m feel what it's like to control the airplane in flight.
I guess it would be OK to just have a "sterile cockpit" up there=2C but p
ar
t of the appeal of the Air Camper to me is that it has controls up front.
-
Mine has rudder=2C stick=2C and throttle in front... and I learned to f
ly i
t with just those essentials plus sight and sound.- I like flying it from
u
p there=2C too.- But yes=2C you could save a couple of pounds by elim
inatin
g front cockpit controls.
Oscar Zuniga
Medford=2C OR
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Bruce, for the interior parts you describe, you only need enough product to
protect the wood. Any more than that is added weight and cost. Resist the
temptation to slap on multiple heavy coats for a show room glossy look...it
all gets covered up.- Consider the environment your plane will reside in
, (hangar, outside...) as well as type varnish used and any thinning. I use
d a single coat of water based varnish for all covered parts and two coats
of un-thinned spar varnish for the cockpits.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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