---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 11/01/12: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:17 AM - PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During November! (Matt Dralle) 1. 10:44 AM - Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 10/31/12 (Bruce Kirk) 2. 11:02 AM - Varnish Coats (Michael Perez) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:17:14 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: PLEASE READ - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During November! Dear Listers, Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued operation and upgrade of the Email List and Fourm Services at Matronics. It's through solely through the Contributions of List members that these Matronics Lists are possible. 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Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator RV-4/RV-6/RV-8 Builder/Rebuilder/Pilot ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:44:27 AM PST US From: Bruce Kirk Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Pietenpol-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 10/31/12 Hi everyone when varnishing spars, ribs etc. are you only putting on one coat or multip les Thanks Bruce --- On Thu, 11/1/12, Pietenpol-List Digest Server wrote: From: Pietenpol-List Digest Server Subject: Pietenpol-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 10/31/12 * ======================== ---Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ======================== Today's complete Pietenpol-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below.- The .html file includes the Digest formatted in HTML for viewing with a web browser and features Hyperlinked Indexes and Message Navigation.- The .txt file includes the plain ASCII version of the Pietenpol-List Digest and can be viewed with a generic text editor such as Notepad or with a web browser. 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No instruments up front an d no throttle. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________- Message 2- __________________________ ___________ Time: 05:06:21 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Attatching ribs to spar? I copied what Mike C. did but I used the water based spar varnish and thinn ed with water. As he did, I used a store bought, hand pumped sprayer, laid down plastic sheet in the garage and used saw horses.- I have pictures if interested. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________- Message 3- __________________________ ___________ Time: 05:10:51 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Axle pins John, the axle pins need to be long enough to allow some vertical movement for the bungee suspension.- You'll also need enough length to then pass t hrough whatever method used to hold said pin.- My pins are about 5" long measured from the bottom of the axle. I have lots of pictures, if intereste d. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com ________________________________- Message 4- __________________________ ___________ Time: 05:47:51 AM PST US From: "Douwe Blumberg" Subject: Pietenpol-List: overhead fuel gauge I bought the 6" long one, but then realized, my tank is only a bit over fou r inches deep at the back so the extra depth was a waste, especially behind the passengers head.- I'm ordering a 4.5 incher now.- Depends on what s ize your tank bung is, but you don't need more depth than the tank has. Did some research and the seals are supposedly fine for all fuels. If you want a six incher, I'll sell you mine. Douwe ________________________________- Message 5- __________________________ ___________ Time: 06:50:09 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Attatching ribs to spar? From: Greg Bacon Hi Fred, I used T88 epoxy, stainless nails, and wedges to attach ribs.- The nails were used for clamping pressure while the epoxy cured. After all the woodwork was completed, I sealed the wood with Poly Fiber's EV-400 epoxy varnish (and EV-410 epoxy varnish catalyst) thinned with E-500 epoxy reducer.- The thinned varnish did penetrate into the wood very well .. I applied three coats with a brush.- Although the results were great, it took quite a bit of time and was a tedius process.- By the way, I built a wing rotator and used it most of the time throughout the wing build process.- It was extremely helpful during the varnish process as well as covering & painting. Consider a wing varnish party!!!- Beer, brats, music, and a bunch of friends/relatives.- Drips and runs can be sanded out later. ;-) Greg On Tue, Oct 30, 2012 at 4:10 PM, FandS_Piet wrote: > > I didn't know if we are supposed to glue the ribs onto the spar or just > nail them in place as shown on the plans.- Once the fabric is shrunk th at > should be enough to hold them in place right? We are getting ready to > varnish and I'm thinking it will be lot easier to varnish the ribs before > they are on the spar but don't want to varnish the areas that will be glu ed. > Thanks > > -------- > Fred Kim > Pittsburgh, Pa > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386318#386318 > > -- Greg Bacon ________________________________- Message 6- __________________________ ___________ Time: 07:02:17 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Attatching ribs to spar? >>Consider a wing varnish party!!! Beer, brats, music, and a bunch of frien ds/relatives. Drips and runs can be sanded out later.---;-) >>Greg Greg:- Serve something besides beer and the drips probably wouldn't leave runs to sand out later.- 8^] Stinemetze do not archive ________________________________- Message 7- __________________________ ___________ Time: 07:07:02 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Attatching ribs to spar? From: Greg Bacon Good point Tom! do not archive On Wed, Oct 31, 2012 at 9:01 AM, TOM STINEMETZE wrote: > > >>Consider a wing varnish party!!! Beer, brats, music, and a bunch of > friends/relatives. Drips and runs can be sanded out later.---;-) > > >>Greg > > Greg:- Serve something besides beer and the drips probably wouldn't lea ve > runs to sand out later.- 8^] > > Stinemetze > do not archive > > -- Greg Bacon ________________________________- Message 8- __________________________ ___________ Time: 11:08:32 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Front seat controls From: "nightmare" i plan on teaching my kids how to fly up front, so ill be putting brakes, t hrottle, stick and a few instruments. Like others have said, easier to remove if you change your mind. Also it may be mandatory for a future buyer. I owned a cu b and gave loads of rides in it, simply told folks not to touch anything, and was never a problem. if its good enough for piper, its good enough for me. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=386388#386388 ________________________________- Message 9- __________________________ ___________ Time: 08:01:34 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Front seat controls Chuck=3B To answer your question directly=2C I have rarely taken passengers up wit h the intent of giving them the controls so in that respect=2C the controls d on't serve a frequent purpose.- However=2C I got my Air Camper checkout fly ing Scout from the front seat (no instruments=2C no brakes=2C no fuel s huto ff valve=2C no carb heat!) and I have checked out another pilot or two in t he airplane while I flew front seat and they were in back.- I have also f lo wn numerous flights with a buddy where I have flown navigator position in f ront with him as PIC in back=2C and had him ask me to take the controls w hi le he peeled of a jacket=2C put on a jacket=2C or made other adjustment s.- It was handy to have that capability=2C but certainly not something that ha ppens frequently.- I think it heightens the joy and wonder of a first fli gh t if you offer a passenger the opportunity to take the controls and let the m feel what it's like to control the airplane in flight. I guess it would be OK to just have a "sterile cockpit" up there=2C but p ar t of the appeal of the Air Camper to me is that it has controls up front. - Mine has rudder=2C stick=2C and throttle in front... and I learned to f ly i t with just those essentials plus sight and sound.- I like flying it from u p there=2C too.- But yes=2C you could save a couple of pounds by elim inatin g front cockpit controls. Oscar Zuniga Medford=2C OR --- -------- ------ --- - le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:02:52 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Pietenpol-List: Varnish Coats Bruce, for the interior parts you describe, you only need enough product to protect the wood. Any more than that is added weight and cost. Resist the temptation to slap on multiple heavy coats for a show room glossy look...it all gets covered up.- Consider the environment your plane will reside in , (hangar, outside...) as well as type varnish used and any thinning. I use d a single coat of water based varnish for all covered parts and two coats of un-thinned spar varnish for the cockpits. 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