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0. 12:11 AM - Make A List Contribution - It's Your Personal Squelch Button... (Matt Dralle)
1. 03:47 AM - Re: Re: spins (Michael Perez)
2. 04:20 AM - Re: Re: spins (Jack Phillips)
3. 04:55 AM - Re: Re: spins (Ryan Mueller)
4. 05:11 AM - Re: Re: spins (Michael Perez)
5. 05:31 AM - Re: spins (tools)
6. 05:36 AM - Official Pietenpol Fish Scale (Gene Rambo)
7. 05:41 AM - Re: Official Pietenpol Fish Scale (Gary Boothe)
8. 06:13 AM - Re: Re: spins (Michael Perez)
9. 06:26 AM - Re: spins (tools)
10. 06:34 AM - Re: spins (jarheadpilot82)
11. 06:35 AM - Re: Re: spins (Michael Perez)
12. 06:46 AM - Re: spins (tools)
13. 07:02 AM - Re: Official Pietenpol Fish Scale (helspersew@aol.com)
14. 07:14 AM - Re: Official Pietenpol Fish Scale (Chris Rusch)
15. 07:18 AM - Re: Re: Official Pietenpol Fish Scale (helspersew@aol.com)
16. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: spins (C N Campbell)
17. 07:28 AM - Re: Official Pietenpol Fish Scale (Chris Rusch)
18. 08:01 AM - Re: spins (jarheadpilot82)
19. 10:06 AM - real life (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
20. 10:33 AM - Re: real life (Ken Bickers)
21. 11:13 AM - Re: real life (C N Campbell)
22. 12:18 PM - Wing Rotator sketch (Chris Rusch)
23. 12:33 PM - Re: Wing Rotator sketch (John Francis)
24. 12:39 PM - Re: Wing Rotator sketch (Ken Bickers)
25. 01:52 PM - anyone nera St Paul, MN (Douwe Blumberg)
26. 07:16 PM - Re: anyone nera St Paul, MN (Dick N)
27. 08:20 PM - Re: spins (TriScout)
28. 10:37 PM - Re: real life (taildrags)
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Fully aware of these things Terry. I doubt very many here fly sims., but I
thought I would let the crew know that someone at some point went through t
he trouble to make a Pietenpol, of all things, available.- It is a fun pl
ane to fly...even is this particular sim.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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I've flown it, and found little correlation between the simulator and the
real thing. So much of flying a Pietenpol is done by feel, which the
simulator simply cannot replicate. It doesn't do a very good job of
similating the way the whole airplane vibrates and just feels "tense" when
flying at speeds above 80 mph, nor of how quiet it gets at speeds below 55,
and how the stick shudders with one or two sharp buffets just before the
stall. The one thing it does reasonably well is replicate the view from the
cockpit.
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael
Perez
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 6:47 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: spins
Fully aware of these things Terry. I doubt very many here fly sims., but I
thought I would let the crew know that someone at some point went through
the trouble to make a Pietenpol, of all things, available. It is a fun
plane to fly...even is this particular sim.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Yes, toys are fun. A Pietenpol was not provided with the stock sim program
(definitely not for Microsoft FS, or X-Plane, or any of the open source
FS's I have seen), so whatever you may find has been put together by an
enthusiast. I'm not a betting man, but I would venture to guess that most
people putting together FS models of aircraft have not flown those
aircraft, and probably are not even pilots. They use the best guess
methodology to tweak the flight characteristics of the aircraft model to
try to "feel" accurate, or just take a pre-existing model and adjust that
as best they can (let's say the J-3 in the case of a Piet). Then they spend
a majority of the time skinning the interior and exterior textures of the
model to make it look as accurate as they can.
I've played with a couple different Piet models in FSX, and yes, they are
fun little diversions. They have absolutely zero correlation to how a real
Piet performs. They are fun little toys, and that is all. Thanks for the
intel. Have a good day crew
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 5:47 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
> Fully aware of these things Terry. I doubt very many here fly sims., but I
> thought I would let the crew know that someone at some point went through
> the trouble to make a Pietenpol, of all things, available. It is a fun
> plane to fly...even is this particular sim.
>
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> Michael Perez
> Pietenpol HINT Videos
> Karetaker Aero
> www.karetakeraero.com
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" Thanks for the intel. Have a good day crew "
Now your getting it!
-Dismissed.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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I've got a BUNCH of time in a BUNCH of sims... From no motion blacked out canopies,
to "thousand points of light", to super hi techy full visual, full motion
I don't know how many millions contraptions.
For what it's worth, the Airbus flies EXACTLY like the sim... not that that's a
good thing...
Anyhoo, the best thing a sim can do for you is help to establish procedures and
a scan pattern. Obviously, the scan pattern is best for IFR instrument work,
but it can be very useful for visual stuff.
I've never flown computer based sims, can you customize the instrument panel?
If so, merely placing the instruments where you have them in YOUR piet would help
train your eyes where to go for a sneak peak, like to the airspeed indicator,
ball, VSI if you have one, etc. It would help to establish procedures like
always remembering carb heat. Help to establish your hand going automatically
for the carb heat without looking around in the event of an engine failure.
Automatically cycling the mag switch, using a primer if you have on if your
engine is stalling. Helping you quickly determine what's wrong with your engine
(if your engine is failing, the oil pressure is probably the first thing you
want to look at and you should probably be able to look at it, THEN look away
and THEN assimilate the info there like is it zero or just low...).
Whether or not it really "handles" like your piet, if it stalls as fast as a Piet
will after an engine failure, it might train you on how much you likely have
to PUSH to keep your airspeed up. The timing might be fairly close as to how
long you have airborne after a failure from various altitudes either going straight
or turning.
In the event of stall or spin recovery, or any situation you don't often do in
your Piet, it flying differently than yours doesn't matter, because you don't
know what yours feels like in that situation anyway. However, proper application
of controls is ESSENTIAL. In spin recovery, determining the direction of
the spin is CRUCIAL, and that gets messed up more than you may think. Just because
it enters going one way, doesn't mean the spin is going to establish that
way. Often times, because it falls off one way, anti spin controls are established
before the spin, which are always high speed spiral controls the other
way, etc.
Especially up north, most folks quit flying for an entire season. A simulator
might be a good way to get your scan and procedures refreshened before getting
back in the cockpit.
Just food for thought.
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| Subject: | Official Pietenpol Fish Scale |
Scale received. Not sure if I can use it as it only goes up to 300lbs. I would
hate to damage the scale by straightening out the attachment hooks. What numbers
have people been getting??
Gene Rambo
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| Subject: | Official Pietenpol Fish Scale |
300, with my first prop, unmodified, but that's a 100hp corvair.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene Rambo
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 5:36 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Official Pietenpol Fish Scale
Scale received. Not sure if I can use it as it only goes up to 300lbs. I
would hate to damage the scale by straightening out the attachment hooks.
What numbers have people been getting??
Gene Rambo
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Tools, curious, when in a full motion type sim., did you find it to induce motion
sickness more so then in an actual plane? I have heard from others that flying
does not bother them, but being in a motion sim does.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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Never known anyone to get sick in a sim or really feel all that woozy. However,
they're pretty good at inducing vertigo. For me, the worst is flying formation
at night in the clouds, or "under the bag" during the day (as shadows don't
correlate with anything and screw me up bad).
However, the most realistic "feeling" sim I was ever in didn't move AT ALL. It
was the prototype T-45 simulator, which had HUGE, REALLY realistic visuals and
a seat that would squeeze your butt. It wouldn't bother you while you were
in it, but the walk FROM the sim was flatly dangerous.
They had a bunch of falls so had it really padded up by the time I got a chance
in it. It gave you "sea legs" in an hour (after being on a ship for a few days,
you tend to sense the motion of the ship when in small rooms ashore for a
day or two afterwards).
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Mike,
In my almost 5 years of instructing in sims I never had any pilots complain of
motion sickness in the simulator. Not to say, that no pilot has ever gotten sick
in one. I just never saw it.
I found that in the 757/767 sims (especially the Class D - which simulate night
and day conditions and in which a check ride and subsequent type rating can be
completed) flew very much like the airplane, and the visual cues really made
me forget I was flying a simulator. I would not say I thought that I was flying
the actual airplane. Rather, I never thought, "Wow! This simulator flies like
the airplane." I just in my mind thought, "I am flying" as opposed to "I am
inputting by way of the flight controls, commanded movement to hydraulic servos
through software that replicate the motion of the actual aircraft." You are
too busy flying single engine or some other catastrophic failure to think that
way.
YMMV.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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I remember my "sea leg" days. We steamed home from the Gulf after the war a
nd once back on land...it felt "strange" to be on firm ground.- Driving a
gain after 8 months on a ship was odd at first as well.
Thanks Tools.
Michael Perez
=0APietenpol HINT Videos
=0AKaretaker Aero
=0Awww.karetakeraero.com
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Know what ya mean, when I came home from the Gulf in '96, I had one hundred straight
traps. My first shore based flight after that cruise, I was nervous about
rolling out a nose dragger!
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| Subject: | Re: Official Pietenpol Fish Scale |
I am low man @ 260 lbs. I think Jeff got 280?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com>
Sent: Thu, Nov 8, 2012 7:36 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Official Pietenpol Fish Scale
Scale received. Not sure if I can use it as it only goes up to 300lbs. I w
ould
hate to damage the scale by straightening out the attachment hooks. What
numbers have people been getting??
Gene Rambo
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| Subject: | Re: Official Pietenpol Fish Scale |
I got 280 lbs with a 76 x 42 prop Mitsubishi engine at 1950 rpm.
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Fully Assembled
Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
Wings to be covered next.
Mitsubishi Powered
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| Subject: | Re: Official Pietenpol Fish Scale |
Chris, What scale did you use?
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
-----Original Message-----
From: Chris Rusch <rmdinfo@rmdbenders.com>
Sent: Thu, Nov 8, 2012 9:14 am
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Official Pietenpol Fish Scale
>
I got 280 lbs with a 76 x 42 prop Mitsubishi engine at 1950 rpm.
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Fully Assembled
Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
Wings to be covered next.
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Michael, I have innumerable hours in both fixed-wing and helicopter
simulators -- ones that actually move when control pressure is applied.
I never had the slightest bit of motion sickness. The base had a bad
thunderstorm once when I was doing an instrument problem in a simulator.
The electricity was removed from the simulator building and I got a
cyclic hardover (Huey simulator). When that happens the cyclic (the
stick between your legs) goes full left or right and full back and the
hydraulics are locked in that position. No human that I know of can
move the cyclic in this situation. If it ever happened for real the
occupants of the helicopter just "bought the farm." I was so into the
problem we were working on that I forgot that I was in a simulator. I
was scared s----less until I suddenly realized I was not really flying.
But no motion sickness. C
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Perez
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 9:13 AM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: spins
Tools, curious, when in a full motion type sim., did you find it
to induce motion sickness more so then in an actual plane? I have heard
from others that flying does not bother them, but being in a motion sim
does.
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Official Pietenpol Fish Scale |
HI Dan,
It is a big fish type scale. I found it online for cheap, I dont have a picture
here at work, but i will take one tonight and post it up.
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NX321LR
Fully Assembled
Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
Wings to be covered next.
Mitsubishi Powered
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Tools is sort of right. You fly the sim somewhat differently than you do the plane.
But if you can fly the sim, you can definitely fly the plane. The sim is
harder.
Example - if you fly a VOR or LDA approach that is not aligned with the runway,
when you break out, you have to obviously align your self to the runway. In an
airplane that involves use of the ailerons and coordinated use of the rudder.
In a sim, it is a pure rudder maneuver. Simulators do not like aileron input
down low. You can quickly get yourself into what feels like a Dutch roll. The
better technique is to kick the rudder in and slew the runway picture around
to the nose. You would never do a pure rudder turn down low and slow and risk
a skidded turn stall. But all the sim software knows is that you are slowing the
picture. Just one example of what Tools is talking about.
I know that we are falling into the realm of hangar flying and out of the realm
of Pietenpol building. If anyone wants to email me or PM me about this topic,
I am happy to continue the discussion. Just not in this forum. Got to get back
to building.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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Of the several Piets I have flown, no two fly alike. Similar yes but not
the same. They don't stall quite the same either. Some give
notice, others don't before a stall. The amount of dihedral, (or none) th
e accuracy of the rigging and wing washout (or no washout), engine type, fu
selage length,
metal or wood prop, aileron gap sealing effectiveness and CG all make them
unique. Even if you go from one J-3 to another you'll find that one may fl
y and stall much more nicely than another.
It sure is nice to wind these guys up though just by asking "so you flew in
the Navy?" Bill Rewey flew in the Navy too. TBM's and F4-U Corsairs bu
t you'd have to actually corner him
for him to talk about it.
Mike C.
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I'm curious about real life experience of variations in dihedral,
washout, etc. Right now, I've dialed in a half inch of dihedral and
one degree of washout. I'm wondering if those are enough, not enough,
too much. Among those of you with experience in more than one Piet,
are there real world impressions based on these variables?
Ken
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage
Partners, LLC] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> Of the several Piets I have flown, no two fly alike. Similar yes but not
> the same. They dont stall quite the same either. Some give
>
> notice, others dont before a stall. The amount of dihedral, (or none) the
> accuracy of the rigging and wing washout (or no washout), engine type,
> fuselage length,
>
> metal or wood prop, aileron gap sealing effectiveness and CG all make them
> unique. Even if you go from one J-3 to another youll find that one may fly
> and stall much more nicely than another.
>
>
> It sure is nice to wind these guys up though just by asking so you flew in
> the Navy? Bill Rewey flew in the Navy too. TBMs and F4-U Corsairs but
> youd have to actually corner him
>
> for him to talk about it.
>
>
> Mike C.
>
>
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So did I, Mike. Flew Helldivers and subsequently Hell cats off the USS
Hancock in WW2. And I don't mind talking about it. At CC#21, John
Franklin cornered me and kept me up until almost midnight talking about
carrier flying -- The REAL straight deck carrier flying. I don't think
I would go for that bolter stuff. Man, when the LSO gave me a "cut"
that was it. You either landed safely, went into the barrier, or went
over the side. C
----- Original Message -----
From: Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 1:05 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: real life
Of the several Piets I have flown, no two fly alike. Similar yes but
not the same. They don't stall quite the same either. Some give
notice, others don't before a stall. The amount of dihedral, (or
none) the accuracy of the rigging and wing washout (or no washout),
engine type, fuselage length,
metal or wood prop, aileron gap sealing effectiveness and CG all make
them unique. Even if you go from one J-3 to another you'll find that
one may fly and stall much more nicely than another.
It sure is nice to wind these guys up though just by asking "so you
flew in the Navy?" Bill Rewey flew in the Navy too. TBM's and F4-U
Corsairs but you'd have to actually corner him
for him to talk about it.
Mike C.
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| Subject: | Wing Rotator sketch |
I been asked offline to supply plans for my wing rotator, so here is a drawing
for the stands.
I will get together a sketch for the mount that attaches the inboard mount to the
rotator.....
For the outboard side, i drilled a 9/32 hole In the center of the end bow. The
rotator part is a 3/8-16 bolt 2.5" long with a 1/4-20 hole tapped in the head.
There i screwed in a 1/4-20 bolt about 3" long with the head cut off. I screwed
it into the tapped hole until bottomed out then cut the head off. this stud
will then go into the end bow hole and just freely rotate. be careful to check
every now and then that the wing is not slipping off the stud. This is not my
design, it was shown by someone on the forum a couple years ago.....
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NX321LR
Fully Assembled
Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
Wings to be covered next.
Mitsubishi Powered
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Rotator sketch |
Chris,
Could you post some close up photos of the assembly? A picture goes a long way
with me.
John
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John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: Wing Rotator sketch |
Chris, great timing. I just started building a wing rotator this past
weekend. One thing I'm doing that might be useful. I'm designing
mine so that the bolt that goes through the wing bow has an eyelet on
the inboard side, with a strong string attached. That way when I'm
done, I can pull the bolt out of the wing, after which I'll plug the
hole with a wooden dowel and cover with a fabric patch. Ken
On Thu, Nov 8, 2012 at 1:17 PM, Chris Rusch <rmdinfo@rmdbenders.com> wrote:
>
> I been asked offline to supply plans for my wing rotator, so here is a drawing
for the stands.
> I will get together a sketch for the mount that attaches the inboard mount to
the rotator.....
> For the outboard side, i drilled a 9/32 hole In the center of the end bow. The
rotator part is a 3/8-16 bolt 2.5" long with a 1/4-20 hole tapped in the head.
There i screwed in a 1/4-20 bolt about 3" long with the head cut off. I screwed
it into the tapped hole until bottomed out then cut the head off. this stud
will then go into the end bow hole and just freely rotate. be careful to check
every now and then that the wing is not slipping off the stud. This is not
my design, it was shown by someone on the forum a couple years ago.....
>
> --------
> NX321LR
> Fully Assembled
> Tail assembly and ailerons covered and painted.
> Wings to be covered next.
> Mitsubishi Powered
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387324#387324
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> http://forums.matronics.com//files/wing_rotator_132.pdf
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| Subject: | anyone nera St Paul, MN |
Brought RE-PIET back to our home base today, so it's now only a 15 minute
drive to fly rather than a 1.5 hr drive, yeah!!
I have a very good friend and fellow builder up in Canada who is moving to
the states and wants to purchase a set of tailwheel conversion parts for a
150 which are located near St. Paul, MN. He would like to find someone who
might be willing to make sure all the parts are there, do the deal in person
and ship them to him as he just got burned on another deal. I told him I
knew a few of you guys were up there and someone might be willing to help.
He is willing to pay for gas and time
Douwe
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| Subject: | Re: anyone nera St Paul, MN |
Hi Douwe
I can do that for him , have him call me at 612-805-1742
Dick N.
----- Original Message -----
From: Douwe Blumberg
To: pietenpolgroup
Sent: Thursday, November 08, 2012 3:53 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: anyone nera St Paul, MN
Brought RE-PIET back to our home base today, so it's now only a 15
minute drive to fly rather than a 1.5 hr drive, yeah!!
I have a very good friend and fellow builder up in Canada who is
moving to the states and wants to purchase a set of tailwheel conversion
parts for a 150 which are located near St. Paul, MN. He would like to
find someone who might be willing to make sure all the parts are there,
do the deal in person and ship them to him as he just got burned on
another deal. I told him I knew a few of you guys were up there and
someone might be willing to help. He is willing to pay for gas and time
Douwe
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Very interesting topic. I think we all need to go out and spin our Pietenpol's
and GN-1's ASAP....so we can all compare notes...
p.s. I got high during an emergency in the DC-10 sim back in '95 ... sideslipped
it in, like you would in a Stearman or an Aeronca. I was half expecting the
instructor to say something, but he seemed to accept it, given the fact that we
were on fire. Not so realistic on the visuals in that old machine, but it got
the job done. I agree that simulators are not quite like the real machine. They
are really "procedures trainers".
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Ken: the numbers that you've quoted will work just fine. There are Piets flying
with essentially NO washout or dihedral (dead-flat, dead-straight wing). There
are others that are rigged as the Pietenpol family's notes suggest (if you
don't have the Pietenpol family's plans and notes, buy them), and there are others
that are rigged somewhere inbetween or beyond. I have only flown one Piet
-Scout- so I can't offer comparisons. Scout has a dihedral of roughly 3" from
wing root to wing tip and essentially NO washout.
About the dihedral, classical aerodynamics textbooks will tell you that a little
dihedral goes a long way towards providing stability in roll. Since I've never
flown a Piet with zero dihedral, I can't confirm the validity of that statement,
but if you search the archives you'll find that people have said that they
don't find that zero dihedral leads to instability or divergence in roll.
I think my airplane has a bit too much, but that's based on aesthetics... I prefer
the look of a straight line leading edge from wingtip to wingtip.
About the washout, the intent is to have the wing stall progressively from root
to tip so that the airplane doesn't fall off on a wing in a stall. My airplane
has no apparent washout and it doesn't ever seem to want to fall off to one
side or the other in a stall. Still, it is quite easy to dial in washout on
a Piet wing if it's set up with conventional threaded forks on the lower ends
of the lift struts. If you pick a consistent spot on the wing to check the angle
of incidence and then use a standard "angle finder" mounted to a lath or piece
of wood that you hold up to the bottom of the wing between the spars, you
can set whatever amount of washout you want by screwing the strut attachment
forks in or out as desired. Set the angle finder at the wing root, then out at
the last rib, and the difference is your washout angle. Easier with two or
three people and some patience ;o) Oh, and make sure the wing strut X-brace wires
are loose or slack when you're doing this... they only get tightened after
you're done monkeying around with the adjustments.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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