---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 11/13/12: 44 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:02 AM - Re: composite cooling eyebrows (TOM STINEMETZE) 2. 06:33 AM - 3 Piece wing spars (Pietflyer1977) 3. 07:31 AM - Re: 3 Piece wing spars (Kenneth Howe) 4. 07:53 AM - Re: 3 Piece wing spars (Greg Bacon) 5. 07:55 AM - Re: Dihedral and washout (kevinpurtee) 6. 08:01 AM - Re: No Title (kevinpurtee) 7. 08:09 AM - Re: Re: No Title (Greg Bacon) 8. 10:22 AM - Re: 3 Piece wing spars (C N Campbell) 9. 10:42 AM - Re: 3 Piece wing spars (K5YAC) 10. 10:46 AM - Re: composite cooling eyebrows (K5YAC) 11. 11:37 AM - Re: Re: 3 Piece wing spars (C N Campbell) 12. 12:01 PM - Re: Re: 3 Piece wing spars (C N Campbell) 13. 12:17 PM - Headsets (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 14. 12:32 PM - Re: a little slow on reporting (FandS_Piet) 15. 12:56 PM - Re: a little slow on reporting (Don Emch) 16. 01:03 PM - Re: a little slow on reporting (Don Emch) 17. 01:19 PM - Re: Re: a little slow on reporting (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 18. 01:51 PM - Ohio Piets--don't forget about... (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 19. 01:58 PM - The gift of wood! (Scott Knowlton) 20. 02:02 PM - Flottorp Prop (Gerry Holland) 21. 02:11 PM - Re: 3 Piece wing spars (K5YAC) 22. 02:45 PM - Re: The gift of wood! (Jim Markle) 23. 02:49 PM - Re: 3 Piece wing spars (Bill Church) 24. 02:54 PM - Re: Ohio Piets--don't forget about... (Don Emch) 25. 03:23 PM - Re: Re: Ohio Piets--don't forget about... (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 26. 03:27 PM - Re: Headsets (Jim Boyer) 27. 03:44 PM - Re: Flottorp Prop (tools) 28. 04:03 PM - Re: Headsets (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]) 29. 05:03 PM - Re: 3 Piece wing spars (Pietflyer1977) 30. 05:24 PM - Building a Steel fuselage (Pietflyer1977) 31. 05:58 PM - Re: Re: Ohio Piets--don't forget about... (shad bell) 32. 06:00 PM - Re: Re: a little slow on reporting (shad bell) 33. 06:01 PM - Re: 3 Piece wing spars (Bill Church) 34. 06:11 PM - Re: Building a Steel fuselage (tools) 35. 06:15 PM - Re: Ohio Piets--don't forget about... (Dan Yocum) 36. 06:17 PM - Re: Ohio Piets--don't forget about... (Dan Yocum) 37. 07:12 PM - Re: 3 Piece wing spars (K5YAC) 38. 07:25 PM - Re: Re: 3 Piece wing spars (gboothe5@comcast.net) 39. 07:45 PM - Re: Ohio Piets--don't forget about... (Don Emch) 40. 08:15 PM - Re: Headsets (Jim Boyer) 41. 08:26 PM - Re: Re: Dihedral and washout (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB) 42. 09:05 PM - Re: Headsets (taildrags) 43. 09:30 PM - Re: 3 Piece wing spars (taildrags) 44. 09:45 PM - Re: Building a Steel fuselage (aerocarjake) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:26 AM PST US From: "TOM STINEMETZE" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: composite cooling eyebrows Tommie, eh! Oh, I am going to give you such a hit. 8^) MOM, Gene is pickin' on me. Tom do not archive >>> Gene Rambo 11/12/2012 4:57 PM >>> ever heard of sarcasm, Tommie?? ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:26 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3 Piece wing spars From: "Pietflyer1977" Could someone tell me the correct spar length on the Pietenpol 3 piece wing. My drawings are saying the on the 3 piece each wing spar is 12' and the center section is 29"? Is the 12' a misprint? The one piece wing is 14'5" each half for total of 28'10" wing span vs 26'5" for the 3 piece? So just make the total 28' 10" with a 29" center section correct? And dis-guard the 12' measurement? Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387759#387759 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:31:10 AM PST US From: Kenneth Howe Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3 Piece wing spars I just checked the copy of the plans that I keep on my computer (you never know when you'll need to refer to 'em. The 'blue-line' version I have here is a bit of photoshop so they'll look better as desktop wallpaper.) The outer spars are 13' 2 1/2", and the center section is 29". That'll add up to 28'10". Ken On Nov 13, 2012, at 6:33 AM, Pietflyer1977 wrote: > > Could someone tell me the correct spar length on the Pietenpol 3 piece wing. My drawings are saying the on the 3 piece each wing spar is 12' and the center section is 29"? Is the 12' a misprint? The one piece wing is 14'5" each half for total of 28'10" wing span vs 26'5" for the 3 piece? So just make the total 28' 10" with a 29" center section correct? And dis-guard the 12' measurement? > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387759#387759 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:29 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3 Piece wing spars From: Greg Bacon Ken, You are correct at 28'10". That's what the 3 piece wing plans show. If you are considering a flop or cutout to help with ingress and egress, I recommend widening the center section to 3 feet. Bill Rewey has a drawing of this. this makes the wingspan 29'5". Performance gain is probably negligible, but the extra headroom is key, in my humble opinion. Greg Bacon On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 9:30 AM, Kenneth Howe wrote: > I just checked the copy of the plans that I keep on my computer (you never > know when you'll need to refer to 'em. The 'blue-line' version I have here > is a bit of photoshop so they'll look better as desktop wallpaper.) The > outer spars are 13' 2 1/2", and the center section is 29". That'll add up > to 28'10". > > Ken > > > On Nov 13, 2012, at 6:33 AM, Pietflyer1977 wrote: > > > Could someone tell me the correct spar length on the Pietenpol 3 piece > wing. My drawings are saying the on the 3 piece each wing spar is 12' and > the center section is 29"? Is the 12' a misprint? The one piece wing is > 14'5" each half for total of 28'10" wing span vs 26'5" for the 3 piece? So > just make the total 28' 10" with a 29" center section correct? And > dis-guard the 12' measurement? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387759#387759 > > > (And Get Some AWESOME FREE -Matt Dralle, > List ======================= > > -- Greg Bacon ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:23 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Dihedral and washout From: "kevinpurtee" If you're looking for a pure 1930s experience then leave the credit card and cell phone home, too. May as well skip the tracking devices we talked about last week, too. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387763#387763 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:01:36 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: No Title From: "kevinpurtee" Those pictures made me smile, Douwe. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387764#387764 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:09:28 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: No Title From: Greg Bacon Me too. Thanks for sharing Douwe. On Tue, Nov 13, 2012 at 10:01 AM, kevinpurtee wrote: > kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> > > Those pictures made me smile, Douwe. > > -------- > Kevin "Axel" Purtee > NX899KP > Austin/San Marcos, TX > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387764#387764 > > -- Greg Bacon ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:22:22 AM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: 3 Piece wing spars My 3-piece wing plan shows each spar to be 13 ft 2 1/2 inches. That's 158 1/2 inches. The center section spar is 29 inches. That gives a total of 346 inches for the entire wing. That's 28 ft 10 inches total. This is from the 3-piece wing supplement dated Jan 10, 1975. Don't understand why your plans would show different dimentions. C ----- Original Message ----- From: "Pietflyer1977" Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 9:33 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: 3 Piece wing spars > > Could someone tell me the correct spar length on the Pietenpol 3 piece > wing. My drawings are saying the on the 3 piece each wing spar is 12' and > the center section is 29"? Is the 12' a misprint? The one piece wing is > 14'5" each half for total of 28'10" wing span vs 26'5" for the 3 piece? So > just make the total 28' 10" with a 29" center section correct? And > dis-guard the 12' measurement? > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387759#387759 > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:42:14 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 3 Piece wing spars From: "K5YAC" Keep studying the dimensions and you will likely discover that 13' 5" makes more sense than 13' 2.5". If you add all the bay dimensions, to include the 4.5" tip and the 0.5" inboard stub that butts against the center section, you will come up with 162.42"OAL, or 13' 5". I conferred with a few other builders that came to the same conclusion. A minor change, I know... but it appeared to make sense at the time and that is how I cut and spaced mine. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387769#387769 ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:46:21 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: composite cooling eyebrows From: "K5YAC" In other words, Douwe... you are going to catch hell no matter WHAT you choose to do! Gotta love it. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387770#387770 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:37 AM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 3 Piece wing spars My plans show 13' 2 1/2" and that's what I made them. So your wing is 5 inches longer than mine. Bet you can't tell the difference with the planes parked side-by-side. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "K5YAC" Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:41 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 3 Piece wing spars > > Keep studying the dimensions and you will likely discover that 13' 5" > makes more sense than 13' 2.5". If you add all the bay dimensions, to > include the 4.5" tip and the 0.5" inboard stub that butts against the > center section, you will come up with 162.42"OAL, or 13' 5". I conferred > with a few other builders that came to the same conclusion. > > A minor change, I know... but it appeared to make sense at the time and > that is how I cut and spaced mine. > > -------- > Mark Chouinard > Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on > Landing Gear > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387769#387769 > > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 12:01:46 PM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 3 Piece wing spars #2. The "center section" of the 1-piece wing (the plan which gives the rib spacing) is 25 inches versus the 29 inches of the 3-piece wing. If you take that 4 inches (2 on each wing panel) out of two of the bays the total length of the wing comes out to be 346 inches in each case. Your wing is just wider than the original. TSK TSK such unwarranted departure from the plans :>) Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: "K5YAC" Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 1:41 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 3 Piece wing spars > > Keep studying the dimensions and you will likely discover that 13' 5" > makes more sense than 13' 2.5". If you add all the bay dimensions, to > include the 4.5" tip and the 0.5" inboard stub that butts against the > center section, you will come up with 162.42"OAL, or 13' 5". I conferred > with a few other builders that came to the same conclusion. > > A minor change, I know... but it appeared to make sense at the time and > that is how I cut and spaced mine. > > -------- > Mark Chouinard > Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on > Landing Gear > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387769#387769 > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:17:21 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Headsets DQpIZWxsbyBKaW0sDQoNCkFib3V0IDMgeWVhcnMgYWdvIGF0IE9zaGtvc2ggSSB0cmllZCBvbiBw cm9iYWJseSAyNSB2YXJpb3VzIGhlYWRzZXRzIGZyb20gbWFueSBkaWZmZXJlbnQgdmVuZG9ycyBh bmQgc2V0dGxlZA0Kb24gdGhlIEd1bGZjb2FzdCBBdmlvbmljcyBDbGFzc2ljIEFOUi4gICBJIHdh cyB0cnlpbmcgdG8gc3RyaWtlIGEgYmFsYW5jZSBiZXR3ZWVuIGNvbWZvcnQsIGNsYXJpdHksIGFu ZCBrZWVwaW5nIHRoZQ0KcHJpY2UgcmVhc29uYWJsZSBhbmQgdGhpcyBvbmUgY2FtZSBvdXQgYXQg dGhlIHRvcCBvZiBteSBsaXN0LiAgICBBZnRlciB0aHJlZSB5ZWFycyBJ4oCZbSBzdGlsbCBleHRy ZW1lbHkgaGFwcHkgd2l0aCBpdCBhbmQNCnRoZSBBTlIgZmVhdHVyZSBpcyBhIGxpZmVzYXZlciBp biBjdXR0aW5nIG91dCBlbmdpbmUgbm9pc2Ugb24gY3Jvc3MtY291bnRyeSBmbGlnaHRzLg0KDQpo dHRwOi8vd3d3Lmd1bGZjb2FzdGF2aW9uaWNzLmNvbS9wcm9kdWN0cy8xNDU5LWNsYXNzaWMtYW5y LmFzcHgNCg0KDQpNaWtlIEMuDQoNCg0KDQooUFMtIEkgaGF2ZSBhbiBzaW1wbGUgOSB2b2x0IFNp Z3Ryb25pY3MgMi1wbGFjZSBpbnRlcmNvbSBib3ggdG8gdGFsayB3aXRoIHBhc3NlbmdlcnMgdGhh dCBpcyBwcm9sbHkgMjAgeWVhcnMgb2xkKQ0K ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:32:44 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: a little slow on reporting From: "FandS_Piet" John. I thank you for the kind words. I had a great time meeting you and talking over our projects. The only other builders I have had an opportunity to meet so far are Don Emch and Frank Pavliga both who's brains I have picked extensively. Frank has given me some great advice on the landing gear when I was in a mental rut about choosing deck angle, gear length ect...I have picked Don's brain on on several different subjects and he too, never fails to deliver great advice. I havent been around the Piet community very long but long enough to know it is filled with great people and great builders that I cant wait to someday meet in person. It just so happens that Brodhead falls on my anniversary every year so I am still working on the wife about that and already planted the seed about 2013. Dad and I have been making great progress but I am afraid it may be slowing down soon as my second born is due any day now. I tried for the name Piet but it got a stern NO from my wife. Oh well, I tried. Our goal is to fly the Piet Broadhead 2014. I think we have a great shot,we'll just have to see how much life gets in the way Do not Archive -------- Fred Kim Pittsburgh, Pa Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387779#387779 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:56:33 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: a little slow on reporting From: "Don Emch" John... I couldn't agree with you more. Fred and Fred are a fantastic father and son team. Great guys to hang out with. I was lucky enough to spend an afternoon with them on a couple of occasions which included a little Piet flying. They are the kind of guys that say what they are going to do then they do it without much overplanning and overthinking, which just leads to not building. They build the way a Piet should be built! I just need to get over and see their project! Fred, please just let your wife know that a trip to Brodhead would make a great anniversary trip/gift. Hey, there's a really great swimming pool in town, what else could she want!? I've managed to get my wife there several times. Nevermind the fact that she switches up the spelling now... "Bordhead"... whatever! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387780#387780 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:03:10 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: a little slow on reporting From: "Don Emch" Speaking of the Eastern Ohio/Western Pennsylvania area... I think I've successfully infected a couple guys locally. There are two additional Piet builds going on within about 3 miles of my house! Wow, between Frank's two Piets, Mike Cuy's, Shad and Gary's, Skip's, Ed's, and mine, plus more that I'm not thinking of and all the builders in the area, we could have quite a gathering. Just hard to get everybody's schedules to match. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387782#387782 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 01:19:20 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: a little slow on reporting Something I would be interested in attending, even if I have to drive to get there! John ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 01:51:59 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Piets--don't forget about... Mike Perez's Piet which is coming along to the home stretch too here in the Cleveland area. Wow...that is a LOT of Piets in one area. I remember in 2010 at the Taylo rcraft fly-in we had six Piets without even planning it thanks to Skip G. and Ed flying up from West Virginny. That is great Don that you've infected a few builders right around the bloc k from you with the Pietenpol virus! Mike C. ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 01:58:10 PM PST US From: "Scott Knowlton " Subject: Pietenpol-List: The gift of wood! Group, There is never an end to the generosity displayed by builders. My ribs, tail group, center section, fittings and control system were all built and I was preparing to order spar blanks from Aircraft Spruce to commence the winter building season. One of my fellow airline pilots and former military colleagues who had been building a piet as well advised me he was giving up on the project. In one of his many moves from base to base, his fuselage had been crushed by the movers beyond repair. Children and a home renovation entered his life and he decided to throw in the building towel. While flying together yesterday he asked me if I would take his left over spruce. Of course I said yes and after our trip, followed him to his house where he opened his garage door. There on his shelf were four 14 foot long perfect spar blanks! "There yours," he said. "I just want to see them go in to a plane that will be completed". To say I was overwhelmed is an understatement. At the same time, his generosity is nothing short of what I've seen on many occasions from this group. For me the spars are worth not just the savings in wood but also serve as a shot in the arm from a fellow piet friend to "get on with it"!!! Wing pictures and spar questions to follow. Life is very good. Scott Knowlton ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 02:02:31 PM PST US From: Gerry Holland Subject: Pietenpol-List: Flottorp Prop Hi! I've just gotten a replacement aircraft after a write off crash (Not Pietenpol!). With it came a taper shaft A65-8 and a Flottorp 72 X 50 Prop. Is anyone flying such a combination or knows of that combination flying in something and has comment. It wont be flying for 2 or 3 months and then probably with a professionally rebuilt A75-8 for which that prop is probably too coarse.. The replacement aircraft is a Baby Ace of about 50 years vintage. Regards Gerry ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:11:32 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 3 Piece wing spars From: "K5YAC" My plans also state 13' 2.5", but I still don't see anywhere on the 3-piece plans that indicate the rib spacing other than the center section and root ribs. Doesn't matter so much I guess... they are built and I'm not changing them. [Laughing] -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387789#387789 ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:45:57 PM PST US From: Jim Markle Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: The gift of wood! Well said, this IS an incredible group....and I'll bet there are 10 stories of greatness we don't hear about to every one of these we do hear about... For me, stories like this make all the nonsense from the day....disappear. -----Original Message----- >From: Scott Knowlton >Sent: Nov 13, 2012 3:57 PM >To: "pietenpol-list@matronics.com " >Subject: Pietenpol-List: The gift of wood! > > >Group, > >There is never an end to the generosity displayed by builders. My ribs, tail group, center section, fittings and control system were all built and I was preparing to order spar blanks from Aircraft Spruce to commence the winter building season. >One of my fellow airline pilots and former military colleagues who had been building a piet as well advised me he was giving up on the project. In one of his many moves from base to base, his fuselage had been crushed by the movers beyond repair. Children and a home renovation entered his life and he decided to throw in the building towel. >While flying together yesterday he asked me if I would take his left over spruce. Of course I said yes and after our trip, followed him to his house where he opened his garage door. There on his shelf were four 14 foot long perfect spar blanks! "There yours," he said. "I just want to see them go in to a plane that will be completed". >To say I was overwhelmed is an understatement. At the same time, his generosity is nothing short of what I've seen on many occasions from this group. >For me the spars are worth not just the savings in wood but also serve as a shot in the arm from a fellow piet friend to "get on with it"!!! > >Wing pictures and spar questions to follow. > >Life is very good. > >Scott Knowlton > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 02:49:39 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 3 Piece wing spars From: "Bill Church" Mark, I don't have my plans at hand, so I can't check any dimensions, but... when you wrote 162.42", did you mean 161"? I make that same mistake all the time. :) Bill C Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387790#387790 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 02:54:56 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ohio Piets--don't forget about... From: "Don Emch" Sorry Mike. Forgot about Mike P. Thanks for the picture. That was fun and really cool to have us all show up like that without planning. I think we challenged the Tcraft numbers that year. I was thinking... It might be fun to have a get together this winter. Our hangar is heated. Might be able to get a group of flyers and builders together for an afternoon to exchange stories, pictures, ideas, and any other parts pieces, etc. If weather is good I'd even give rides to anyone brave enough! Wheels or skis! Might be a nice escape from the winter blahs! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387792#387792 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:23:18 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ohio Piets--don't forget about... What a nice invitation Don and even though your hangar is heated with all of us Pietenpol guys in there I'm sure there would be plenty of hot air to spare! Myself included. Mike C. -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Don Emch Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 5:55 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ohio Piets--don't forget about... Sorry Mike. Forgot about Mike P. Thanks for the picture. That was fun and really cool to have us all show up like that without planning. I think we challenged the Tcraft numbers that year. I was thinking... It might be fun to have a get together this winter. Our hangar is heated. Might be able to get a group of flyers and builders together for an afternoon to exchange stories, pictures, ideas, and any other parts pieces, etc. If weather is good I'd even give rides to anyone brave enough! Wheels or skis! Might be a nice escape from the winter blahs! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387792#387792 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:27:32 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Headsets Hi Mike, Thank you for the information on your Headsets. I have been given a gift to use toward radio, etc for my Piet so was wondering what headsets would work. Didn't want to add significantly to the cost of the Piet with Bose 1100 dollar headsets. Hope to see you at Brodhead this coming July. Jim B. ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 03:44:29 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Flottorp Prop From: "tools" That prop is adjustable pitch, right? If so, can't imagine it won't work alright. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387795#387795 ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:03:01 PM PST US From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Headsets SSBmZWx0IGV4YWN0bHkgdGhlIHNhbWUgd2F5IEppbSBhYm91dCB0aGUgQm9zZSBoZWFkc2V0cy4g IEkgY291bGRu4oCZdCBzZWUgc3BlbmRpbmcgdGhhdCBraW5kIG9mIG1vbmV5IHVubGVzcyBtYXli ZQ0KSSBoYWQgZW5vdWdoIG1vbmV5IHRvIGJlIGZseWluZyBhIEZhbGNvbiAyMCBhbmQgaW4gYWRk aXRpb24gSSBkaWRu4oCZdCBmaW5kIHRoZW0gYW55dGhpbmcgc3VwZXItaW5jcmVkaWJsZSBidXQg dGhleQ0KYXJlIGxpZ2h0IHdlaWdodC4gICAgWW91IG1heSBjaG9vc2UgYW5vdGhlciBicmFuZCBv ciBzdHlsZSB0aGFuIEkgc2VsZWN0ZWQgYnV0IEkgcmVhbGx5IGxpa2UgdGhlIGNvbWZvcnQgYW5k IG5vaXNlDQpyZWR1Y3Rpb24gb2YgdGhlIEd1bGZjb2FzdCBBdmlvbmljcyBDbGFzc2ljIEFOUi4g IFRoZXkgbG9vayBjb29sIHRvb+KYui4NCg0KTWlrZSBDLg0KDQoNCg= ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:03:00 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 3 Piece wing spars From: "Pietflyer1977" Thanks for all the input! I will try and post a picture here of my plans if any one has a idea of why they say 12'? No big deal but just makes me wonder what else is wrong and might be a problem after alot of work is complete. These are dated 1975, as someone had said they had but the length is different? Go figure. I am just starting this project and have / will have many more questions I am sure. Any advise is appreicated. Thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387799#387799 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/mvc_005s_139.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/mvc_004s_117.jpg ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 05:24:11 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Building a Steel fuselage From: "Pietflyer1977" Hello, I am just getting started on building a Pietenpol and would like to get some feed back from you guys good or bad. I am wanting to build a Piet to look all original with a Model A engine, tall wheels, pioneer instruments, etc. 100% period correct other than a steel tubing fuselage using the steel plans from the Glider manual. I own a restoration shop and restore airplanes and cars for a living so I have all the tools, equipment and knowledge to build it. The question is why do you not see them much? Just that it's easier to build a wood one? Is there any weight and balance problems, etc.? Has anyone ever built steel tubing tail feathers? Are there any drawings for steel tail feathers? Does anyone know the weight difference compared to a wood one? Should anything else be changed with building a steel one? Engine, wing locations? The steel plans are not to detailed so I guess it's up to the builder to install stringers, bulkheads, seats, cowling as you see fit. Keeping it light as possible of course. Or are there any more detailed plans out there for a steel fuselage? I look forward to hearing all the pro's and con's. Thanks Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387801#387801 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 05:58:33 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ohio Piets--don't forget about... If I could make it without freezing to death I'd be all in.- Maybe I can borrow a champ from the local Aeronca Guy. - Shad --- On Tue, 11/13/12, Don Emch wrote: From: Don Emch Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ohio Piets--don't forget about... Sorry Mike.- Forgot about Mike P.- Thanks for the picture.- That was fun and really cool to have us all show up like that without planning.- I think we challenged the Tcraft numbers that year. I was thinking... It might be fun to have a get together this winter.- Ou r hangar is heated.- Might be able to get a group of flyers and builders together for an afternoon to exchange stories, pictures, ideas, and any oth er parts pieces, etc.- If weather is good I'd even give rides to anyone b rave enough!- Wheels or skis!- Might be a nice escape from the winter b lahs! Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387792#387792 le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 06:00:37 PM PST US From: shad bell Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: a little slow on reporting I know of another 3 piets being built here in central Ohio, one in my origi nal home town of Delaware, OH, one in Mount Vernon, and 1 more being starte d by a guy in the local EAA chapter.- One could be flying this next summe r. - Shad --- On Tue, 11/13/12, Don Emch wrote: From: Don Emch Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: a little slow on reporting Speaking of the Eastern Ohio/Western Pennsylvania area... I think I've succ essfully infected a couple guys locally.- There are two additional Piet b uilds going on within about 3 miles of my house!- Wow, between Frank's two Piets, Mike Cuy's, Shad and Gary's, Skip's, Ed's, and mine, plus more that I'm not thinking of and all the builders in the ar ea, we could have quite a gathering.- Just hard to get everybody's schedu les to match. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387782#387782 le, List Admin. ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 06:01:37 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 3 Piece wing spars From: "Bill Church" Very strange. The location of the lift strut attachment isn't changed (79"), but the length of the spar definitely is shorter. Seems like some kind of clipped wing. Almost as though someone modified the drawing. Yet, the lettering looks to be professionally done - not hand written. Your title block looks the same as my print (drawn Jan 10, 1975, and revised Mar 13, 1982). The only thing that looks different is that your print looks like a blueprint, whereas the prints that are sold today are large-format photocopies. Where did your plans come from? Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387804#387804 ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 06:11:53 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Building a Steel fuselage From: "tools" Lots of questions! There's a member here, good friend, who bought a steel tube fuse, and it's probably one of the most original to plans around. Jarheadpilot, aka Terry Hand, he'll pop in soon and is a good place to start asking questions,. Based on ALOT of reading, there's about 15 to 30 lbs to be saved with a steel tube fuse, don't know why there aren't more... Probably because of what you've already seen, not a lot of real support, which is the major advantage of a Piet. No, don't know of any steel tail feathers, though I'm sure there's quite a few. Honestly, I imagine some aluminum variant would be the way to go for weight savings, ala some pop rivet homebuilts out there. Terry is thinking of doing something like that as well., Tail weight saving is THE way to go. I have a very plans built short fuse wood plane (built by someone else who did NOT add anything aft) and it's got a fair amount of nose weight added to make things right. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387807#387807 ________________________________ Message 35 ____________________________________ Time: 06:15:13 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Piets--don't forget about... When I grow up, I want to build a Pietenpol like Don Emch. He's my hero *and* he has 4 kids. He still boggles my mind how he did it... On 11/13/2012 03:51 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote: > Mike Perez's Piet which is coming along to the home stretch too here in the Cleveland area. > > Wow...that is a LOT of Piets in one area. I remember in 2010 at the Taylorcraft fly-in we had six Piets without > even planning it thanks to Skip G. and Ed flying up from West Virginny. > > That is great Don that you've infected a few builders right around the block from you with the Pietenpol virus! > > Mike C. > ________________________________ Message 36 ____________________________________ Time: 06:17:21 PM PST US From: Dan Yocum Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Ohio Piets--don't forget about... When I grow up, I want to build a Pietenpol like Don Emch. He's my hero *and* he has 4 kids. He still boggles my mind how he did it... On 11/13/2012 03:51 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] wrote: > Mike Perez's Piet which is coming along to the home stretch too here in the Cleveland area. > > Wow...that is a LOT of Piets in one area. I remember in 2010 at the Taylorcraft fly-in we had six Piets without > even planning it thanks to Skip G. and Ed flying up from West Virginny. > > That is great Don that you've infected a few builders right around the block from you with the Pietenpol virus! > > Mike C. > ________________________________ Message 37 ____________________________________ Time: 07:12:27 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 3 Piece wing spars From: "K5YAC" Holy crap! Yes Bill, I absolutely meant 161". I wonder where the heck I came up with that? You do that all the time eh? That cracked me up. Sorry for the confusion... it's a wonder that I got my wings built at all. Bill Church wrote: > Mark, > I don't have my plans at hand, so I can't check any dimensions, but... when you wrote 162.42", did you mean 161"? > I make that same mistake all the time. :) > > Bill C -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387811#387811 ________________________________ Message 38 ____________________________________ Time: 07:25:53 PM PST US From: gboothe5@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: 3 Piece wing spars Yeah, God forbid one wing should be one cm longer than the other... ----- Original Message ----- From: "K5YAC" Sent: Tuesday, November 13, 2012 7:12:06 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 3 Piece wing spars Holy crap! Yes Bill, I absolutely meant 161". I wonder where the heck I came up with that? You do that all the time eh? That cracked me up. Sorry for the confusion... it's a wonder that I got my wings built at all. Bill Church wrote: > Mark, > I don't have my plans at hand, so I can't check any dimensions, but... when you wrote 162.42", did you mean 161"? > I make that same mistake all the time. :) > > Bill C -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387811#387811 ________________________________ Message 39 ____________________________________ Time: 07:45:31 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Ohio Piets--don't forget about... From: "Don Emch" You're a funny guy Dan. It's all about focusing on the important things... wife, kids, family, and airplane building. Next you just completely give up TV, the internet (except for tonight, ha) and sleep. Then you just put out of your mind the petty and trivial things like the somewhat broken furnace in the house, the slipping transmission in the car and the leaking sink in the kitchen. That way you can focus on more important expenses like rebuilding a magneto or doing a fresh oil change on the airplane. It's just a balancing act, that's all. Don Emch NX899DE do not archive.... maybe my wife won't see it then... Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387813#387813 ________________________________ Message 40 ____________________________________ Time: 08:15:43 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Headsets "I couldn=99t see spending that kind of money unless maybe I had enough money to be flying a Falcon 20" Mike, I like the idea of being able to get two good headsets and a handheld radio for the price of one headset. A Falcon 20 or even an old Learjet are not in my future; but they would be fun! Thanks again, Jim ________________________________ Message 41 ____________________________________ Time: 08:26:08 PM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Dihedral and washout Consider drinking the koolaide and get an iPad mini with the internal GPS. It will put your plane on a moving map with the sectional as the background. will download weather and help plan trips. It costs $400-600 (cheaper than most aviation GPSs) and can be used for other things. It will take photos, shoot video and serve as a reader. you can even use it as a phone. and watch movies like "The Great Waldo Pepper." It can be mounted flat on your panel or swivel on a mount. I will be buying one this week for use in my bonanza and other aircraft. Blue Skies, Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Phillips Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Dihedral and washout > Douwe, > > > > The macho stance is to just fly your Pietenpol with the technology > thatBernard had available - chart and compass. While it can > certainly be done > that way (I flew a J-3 Cub from Tennessee to Texas using just > that), it is > foolish to turn your back on anything that can make flying safer. > GPS is a > wonderful tool for increasing your situational awareness, and > thereforeincreasing safety. Just don't allow yourself to get too > dependent on it - > they can and do fail. > > > > I made a mount for my Garmin GPSMap 196 that attaches to the right > upperlongeron so it is out of the way and easy to see. I then use > a kneeboard > with a TripTik chart (a series of 5-1/2 x 8-1/2 portions of a > sectionalchart with my course printed on them). I can just turn > over each page as I > fly onto the next and can keep track of my progress in case the GPS > goesTango Uniform. I use Aeroplanner software to generate the > triptiks, but I > think there are several different companies out there that do the same > thing. > > > > Jack Phillips > > NX899JP > > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia > > Where I very nearly wiped out a DiamondStar DA-40 this evening when > 5 deer > ran across the runway as we were rolling out after landing. The > last one > missed the prop by less than a foot and then went UNDER the right > wingtip. > > > _____ > > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe > Blumberg > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 2:40 PM > To: pietenpolgroup > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dihedral and washout > > > > Douwe. > > > > Ps. Does anyone have a good system for using gps when flying and > yet still > keeping track of their approximate position on a chart in the case > gpspoops? > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 42 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:36 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Headsets From: "taildrags" Mikee: How do you keep that 9V battery from living a short life? I have a similar little portable deal, I think mine's a Sigtronics, but if I don't pull the 9V out of it after flight, it drains down pretty quickly. And yes, I know to turn the thing off! My headset is a Pacific Coast Electronics "David Clark look-alike", not noise reducing but pretty good nevertheless. And WAY affordable. The last couple of years we've flown Scout with old-timey WWII gear for cockpit communication. Leather flight helmets with built-in ear speakers and old carbon microphones with push buttons and coiled cords. You have to hold the mikes right up to your lips and shout into them, but it's kinda fun... "I SAY, I SAY- NAVIGATOR TO PILOT, TURN LEFT HEADING ZERO-NINER-FIVE. I REPEAT, ZERO-NINER-FIVE" ;o) I do it with a Brit accent to give it a little extra flair. The pilot has to drop the mike while flying the airplane and then fumble for it when he gets a call from the front-seater, and we are NORDO so there isn't anybody else to talk to, but it beats hand signals and yelling into the wind. I love these airplanes. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387820#387820 ________________________________ Message 43 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:14 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: 3 Piece wing spars From: "taildrags" Does anyone else find it strange that the plans that show the weird "clipped wing" 12 ft. length are dated January of 1975 and that's the month and year that the Steelers beat Minnesota (think 'Cherry Grove') in Superbowl IX? Or that the revisions to those drawings are dated March of 1982 and just a few weeks before that, Farrah Fawcett and Lee Majors were divorced? Coincidence? You decide... (honestly, I hope somebody gets to the bottom of this because I've never seen or heard of Piet wings that short). do not archive -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387821#387821 ________________________________ Message 44 ____________________________________ Time: 09:45:30 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Building a Steel fuselage From: "aerocarjake" Having a good time building a steel-tube Piet here in Seattle... You are right that the details are not in the plans - so I have to make a lot of it up - yet that is part of the gratification at times. I have posted progress in the past so if you search under my name (Jake Schultz) you should find my past postings. Four years in and maybe halfway there.... 6 & 1/2 hours in the shop tonight working on the walking beam bellcrank assy - very pleasant.... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387822#387822 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.