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1. 05:27 AM - gps (Douwe Blumberg)
2. 05:47 AM - Re: gps (jarheadpilot82)
3. 06:52 AM - Re: French Valley Pietenpol Update (AircamperN11MS)
4. 07:19 AM - Re: Headsets (AircamperN11MS)
5. 10:04 AM - Re: Building a Steel fuselage (Pietflyer1977)
6. 10:05 AM - Re: Re: gps (Greg Bacon)
7. 10:37 AM - Re: Re: gps (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
8. 11:16 AM - Re: Building a Steel fuselage (aerocarjake)
9. 11:43 AM - Re: Building a Steel fuselage (Gerry Holland)
10. 02:32 PM - Re: Building a Steel fuselage (BYD)
11. 03:03 PM - Re: Re: Dihedral and washout (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
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Just for kicks, I flew the other day with my iphone maps on and it actually
kind of worked.
Douwe
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Douwe,
I have an app on my iPhone, Zephyr Charts. I have sectionals, low and high IFR
charts as well as TACs for North America. I have flown with it and it works well.
It is sort of a poor (or cheap) man's Foreflight.
The zoom resolution is not as good as the high dollar apps but it is sufficient
for a back up. Couple it with a Bad Elf GPS and you have cheap situational awareness
for $3.99. There is a Zephyr Lite version (free) that gives you limited
functionality to try it.
YMMV. Call or contact me off-line if you want more info.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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| Subject: | Re: French Valley Pietenpol Update |
Airlion,
I also think it was a cooling issue. It does have eyebrows on it. But I don't
think there is much airflow over the cylinders while it is tied down. The root
of propellers typically don't provide much airflow. You can see the eyebrows
in the pic above. I am 100 miles away from the plane so it is hard for me
to get a complete understanding of it without being there. I will certainly have
a better look at it when I get down there. I have also request they send
pics to WW for his opinion.
Thanks,
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Back in the day (1970's) we were using old vacuum cleaner hoses as Gos-port tubes.
It think I spelt that correctly. Just like the olden days. It was marginal
at best. Now I use the Sigtronics portable unit with a 9 volt battery. I change
the battery out about two times a year. I have not had any pre-mature battery
discharges with mine. It works good on the ground and fair in the air.
I squelch it all the way and and use a push to talk button with the carrier
wire disconnected. It prevents radio transmissions that way.
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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| Subject: | Re: Building a Steel fuselage |
Thanks for all the info. and input from everyone. If anyone has anymore please
keep it coming. Scott thanks for the tail drawings that was just what I was looking
for. Thanks to your buddy Mike also because he sent a PM with the drawings
also. I am going to go ahead with the steel fuselage as I was planning to and
will keep you guys updated as this moves along. Will likely not get started
on it till after the first of the year. Working on wing ribs and need to get
materials together for the fuselage. Will post photos went underway. Being in
the business doing this kind of work, once I gear up to do this I could also weld
up some more if anyone has a interest in building a Pietenpol with a steel
fuselage. The more I could build at once the cheaper I could get the price down.
Also the more materials I would buy at once the cheaper I could get them.
If there are guys out there that have a interest in having one built or also the
tail feathers in steel let me know. I have a nice paint booth and could also
include epoxy primer and or painted also. Thanks Rob
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In 2003, I flew my A65 powered Corben Jr. Ace to Brodhead. On the way
home, I had a nice 25 mph headwind. The GPS was key in finding an altitude
with more favorable winds as well as fuel management. It's a great tool
and really enhances safety, in many ways.
On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 7:47 AM, jarheadpilot82
<jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>wrote:
> jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
>
> Douwe,
>
> I have an app on my iPhone, Zephyr Charts. I have sectionals, low and high
> IFR charts as well as TACs for North America. I have flown with it and it
> works well. It is sort of a poor (or cheap) man's Foreflight.
>
> The zoom resolution is not as good as the high dollar apps but it is
> sufficient for a back up. Couple it with a Bad Elf GPS and you have cheap
> situational awareness for $3.99. There is a Zephyr Lite version (free) that
> gives you limited functionality to try it.
>
> YMMV. Call or contact me off-line if you want more info.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387952#387952
>
>
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Greg Bacon
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I used an old $110 Magellan explorist to fly my Bonanza from Enid, OK to San Antonio,
on monday. It worked fine. Slightly small screen for my old eyes, but gave
me bearing, heading, distance, GS and a moving map showing towns, water and
major highways. Newer versions have better maps. Also rugged and waterproof.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: gps
> In 2003, I flew my A65 powered Corben Jr. Ace to Brodhead. On the way
> home, I had a nice 25 mph headwind. The GPS was key in finding an
> altitudewith more favorable winds as well as fuel management.
> It's a great tool
> and really enhances safety, in many ways.
>
> On Thu, Nov 15, 2012 at 7:47 AM, jarheadpilot82
> <wrote:
>
> >
> > Douwe,
> >
> > I have an app on my iPhone, Zephyr Charts. I have sectionals, low and high
> > IFR charts as well as TACs for North America. I have flown with it and it
> > works well. It is sort of a poor (or cheap) man's Foreflight.
> >
> > The zoom resolution is not as good as the high dollar apps but it is
> > sufficient for a back up. Couple it with a Bad Elf GPS and you have cheap
> > situational awareness for $3.99. There is a Zephyr Lite version (free) that
> > gives you limited functionality to try it.
> >
> > YMMV. Call or contact me off-line if you want more info.
> >
> > --------
> > Semper Fi,
> >
> > Terry Hand
> > Athens, GA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Read this topic online here:
> >
> > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=387952#387952
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Greg Bacon
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| Subject: | Re: Building a Steel fuselage |
Great to see the exchange of information....
Terry is correct that my fuselage is two inches wider than plans, yet it may also
not be the best one to make comparisons because I have added structure to compensate
for the door cutout, "up-sized" certain additional tube sections, and
added additional cross-bracing. (I believe it still might be slightly lighter
than wood but more on the order of 10 pounds - just a guess based on weights
and data from other projects.) I chose the steel-tube mostly because I like
the mix of wood, metal, fabric, etc., and I just wanted to create mine that way.
I plan to post my weight information from time-to-time (not just the fuselage,
but hopefully at a component level) to add information, however relevant, to the
body of Pietenpol knowledge in the public domain.
One good candidate for a wood-steel comparison might be Bill Sayre's newly-completed
Pietenpol in Tacoma, WA since he has a very straightforward steel-tube Piet
with a Model A engine......
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Jake Schultz - curator,
Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home)
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| Subject: | Re: Building a Steel fuselage |
Although I don't have a Pietenpol (next project maybe?) I did have an aircraft
very much from the same era, even down to design date.
It had 4130 fuselage but with wooden turtle deck and fully timber wings. Tail feathers
were metal too.
One factor I would mention and not in a contentious way is to say how strong a
metal fuselage frame is.
Quite rightly wood does absorb shock. It can also break up and loose it's frame
based strength.
I recently had a very bad crash in my aircraft involving diving into ground and
cartwheeling. The metal fuselage did distort but held together and in combination
with full harness and cabanes above me certainly saved severe injury or worse.
The aircraft was a total write off.
All accidents are different so who can tell the result of another type of incident.
My comment is only to observe another benefit of metal albeit wood is great material
too.
So in short. I'm NOT knocking wood, just adding another factor that could be a
deciding factor on using metal as a build material.
Best wishes to all....wood or metal!
Gerry
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Building a Steel fuselage |
I wasnt going to add to this discussion because most of the important considerations
(difficulty attaching simple things like throttle quadrants) have been mentioned
and I didnt want to add to the wastewater dispersal aspect. I will mention
what persuaded me down the metal fuselage path. It was a conversation
with BHP during which he was discouraging me from using the Jenny style gear because
it weighed more than the Cub style. He quoted about a 30-pound difference
and around that time a discussion was happening on the web (might have been
before Matronix when Steve E. ran a board, Im not sure) about the difference
in weight between the metal and wood fuselages. At that time the discussion
ended with 35-pounds being the agreed upon savings for the metal version so the
logic was I could have the Jenny-style gear I really wanted and end up about
the same weight as a Cub-style gear/wooden fuselage configuration.
Around the same time the consensus seemed to be that a metal tail was heavier than
wood and I never understood why but I fabricated mine out of wood. Perhaps
those that tried it felt the wall thickness had to be such that it defeated
the purpose, I really dont know. I didnt look that far into it.
Bill
NX626E
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| Subject: | Re: Dihedral and washout |
I will not be paying for the phone service. I will use my Tmobile Android phone
as a WiFi hotspot to get on the internet and send messages. If I really like
the iPad and the coolaid is sweet enough, i may get an iPhone later. You may
also pay for weather through Sirus (music is extra.)
Two are three GPS/Instrument/Secitional services that Beech pilots talk about Foreflight
($70 to $140 per year), WingX ($99 per year)
I have not decided which to use but a buddy says "WingX has more features. ForeFlight
is easier to use if you are ADHD. I've used both. I chose ForeFlight"
There is also GarminPilot but I don't know much about it.
There is an application that you buy (I think a one time $350 fee) and get weather
put on the map with free data.
Too much to talk about.
I will call a buddy that is a computer guru and owns a flight school. He loves
his gadgets. I will ask him what he uses and I will do the same. I don't know
enough to learn the details (and I don't really care.) I am an end user and don't
want to know all about all the programs.
If y'all want I will let you know what I find out.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: airlion <airlion@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Dihedral and washout
>
> what is the monthly cost for all these great things? Airlion
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Tue, November 13, 2012 11:26:28 PM
> Subject: Re: RE: Pietenpol-List: Dihedral and washout
>
> <
>
> Consider drinking the koolaide and get an iPad mini with the internal GPS. It
> will put your plane on a moving map with the sectional as the background. will
> download weather and help plan trips. It costs $400-600 (cheaper than most
> aviation GPSs) and can be used for other things. It will take photos, shoot
> video and serve as a reader. you can even use it as a phone. and watch movies
> like "The Great Waldo Pepper."
>
>
> It can be mounted flat on your panel or swivel on a mount.
>
> I will be buying one this week for use in my bonanza and other aircraft.
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jack Phillips <
> Date: Friday, November 9, 2012 17:16
> Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Dihedral and washout
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
>
>
> > Douwe,
> >
> >
> >
> > The macho stance is to just fly your Pietenpol with the technology
> > thatBernard had available - chart and compass. While it can
> > certainly be done
> > that way (I flew a J-3 Cub from Tennessee to Texas using just
> > that), it is
> > foolish to turn your back on anything that can make flying safer.
> > GPS is a
> > wonderful tool for increasing your situational awareness, and
> > thereforeincreasing safety. Just don't allow yourself to get too
> > dependent on it -
> > they can and do fail.
> >
> >
> >
> > I made a mount for my Garmin GPSMap 196 that attaches to the right
> > upperlongeron so it is out of the way and easy to see. I then use
> > a kneeboard
> > with a TripTik chart (a series of 5-1/2 x 8-1/2 portions of a
> > sectionalchart with my course printed on them). I can just turn
> > over each page as I
> > fly onto the next and can keep track of my progress in case the GPS
> > goesTango Uniform. I use Aeroplanner software to generate the
> > triptiks, but I
> > think there are several different companies out there that do the same
> > thing.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jack Phillips
> >
> > NX899JP
> >
> > Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
> >
> > Where I very nearly wiped out a DiamondStar DA-40 this evening when
> > 5 deer
> > ran across the runway as we were rolling out after landing. The
> > last one
> > missed the prop by less than a foot and then went UNDER the right
> > wingtip.
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Douwe
> > Blumberg
> > Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 2:40 PM
> > To: pietenpolgroup
> > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Dihedral and washout
> >
> >
> >
> > Douwe.
> >
> >
> >
> > Ps. Does anyone have a good system for using gps when flying and
> > yet still
> > keeping track of their approximate position on a chart in the case
> > gpspoops?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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