---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 11/16/12: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:17 AM - Who is Matt Dralle & What Are The Lists? (Matt Dralle) 1. 05:27 AM - Re: Who is Matt Dralle & What Are The Lists? (aerocarjake) 2. 07:11 AM - Re: iPads, iPhones, iDunnos.... (woodflier@aol.com) 3. 07:15 AM - Re: Re: iPads, iPhones, iDunnos.... (Robert Gow) 4. 08:52 AM - Re: Re: iPads, iPhones, iDunnos.... (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB) 5. 09:11 AM - Re: iPads, iPhones, iDunnos.... (tkreiner) 6. 10:50 AM - Didn't quite straighten the hook... (Gene Rambo) 7. 10:55 AM - Re: Re: iPads, iPhones, iDunnos.... (Max Hegler) 8. 10:59 AM - Re: Didn't quite straighten the hook... (curtdm(at)gmail.com) 9. 11:58 AM - Re: Didn't quite straighten the hook... (Ryan Mueller) 10. 03:35 PM - Re: Didn't quite straighten the hook... (helspersew@aol.com) 11. 05:07 PM - Re: Didn't quite straighten the hook... (Gene Rambo) 12. 06:08 PM - Re: Re: iPads, iPhones, iDunnos.... (Doug Dever) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:17:39 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Who is Matt Dralle & What Are The Lists? Dear Listers, Who is Matt Dralle and what exactly are these Lists anyway? I've been working in the Information Technology industry for over 28 years, primarily in computer networking design and implementation and more recently as an embedded software engineer. I have also done a fair amount of work in web design and development. I started the Matronics Email Lists way back in 1990 shortly after I started building my RV-4 with about 30 fellow RV builders from around the world. 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Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:27:05 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Who is Matt Dralle & What Are The Lists? From: "aerocarjake" THANK YOU Matt - for the list making a difference in my Pietenpol project. Thanks for making my project more posssible to begin with, and for making it more of a shared experience. It is truly appreciated.... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388106#388106 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:04 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: iPads, iPhones, iDunnos.... From: woodflier@aol.com Just a question for those of you experimenting with iPads and smartphones.. I'm guessing that you have a 12-volt battery source to keep the device cha rged. I have an Android phone, and am thinking about an iPad, probably an o lder one off eBay, but wondered about the internal battery life. I know whe n I use the Android for GPS nav in the car, it kills it pretty quickly unle ss it's plugged into a car charger. That said, I navigated to Brodhead in 2011 just with trip-tics and pilotage , and it was a lot of fun. But the weather was perfect and I didn't have to deviate from the planned course line at all. This past year, with all the weather in the midwest, my track to Brodhead looked like a snake. I was gla d to have had an old Garmin 90 with me. Folded charts are a disaster in a P iet cockpit. I've had flashbacks to Jimmy Stewart in "The Spirit of St. Louis" flying lo w and yelling "Which way to Ireland???" Matt Paxton ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:15:14 AM PST US From: "Robert Gow" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: iPads, iPhones, iDunnos.... I use the iPad II in my Seneca. Lasts 8 hours. With ForeFlight I have a great moving map and all the approach plats a fella could need. From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of woodflier@aol.com Sent: November 16, 2012 10:11 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: iPads, iPhones, iDunnos.... Just a question for those of you experimenting with iPads and smartphones.. I'm guessing that you have a 12-volt battery source to keep the device charged. I have an Android phone, and am thinking about an iPad, probably an older one off eBay, but wondered about the internal battery life. I know when I use the Android for GPS nav in the car, it kills it pretty quickly unless it's plugged into a car charger. That said, I navigated to Brodhead in 2011 just with trip-tics and pilotage, and it was a lot of fun. But the weather was perfect and I didn't have to deviate from the planned course line at all. This past year, with all the weather in the midwest, my track to Brodhead looked like a snake. I was glad to have had an old Garmin 90 with me. Folded charts are a disaster in a Piet cockpit. I've had flashbacks to Jimmy Stewart in "The Spirit of St. Louis" flying low and yelling "Which way to Ireland???" Matt Paxton ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:52:51 AM PST US From: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: iPads, iPhones, iDunnos.... 3 navigation systems that I have discssed with computer and flying gurus are iPad based WingX Has a lot of features about $99 per year Foreflight easier for Luddites $70 for basic $140 per year for delux New player on the market is Anywhere map by control vision. they will sell you a complete 7inch (smaller) android based system (NOT iPad) with internal GPS antenna for $800 with a LIFETIME supply data. They also offer iPad programs. www.controlvision.com Boy that muddys the water. I am in the middle of trying to decide if I want the iPad (more applications availible.) or an Android based tablet. Blue Skies, Steve D ----- Original Message ----- From: woodflier@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: iPads, iPhones, iDunnos.... > Just a question for those of you experimenting with iPads and > smartphones.. I'm guessing that you have a 12-volt battery source > to keep the device charged. I have an Android phone, and am > thinking about an iPad, probably an older one off eBay, but > wondered about the internal battery life. I know when I use the > Android for GPS nav in the car, it kills it pretty quickly unless > it's plugged into a car charger. > > That said, I navigated to Brodhead in 2011 just with trip-tics and > pilotage, and it was a lot of fun. But the weather was perfect and > I didn't have to deviate from the planned course line at all. This > past year, with all the weather in the midwest, my track to > Brodhead looked like a snake. I was glad to have had an old Garmin > 90 with me. Folded charts are a disaster in a Piet cockpit. > > I've had flashbacks to Jimmy Stewart in "The Spirit of St. Louis" > flying low and yelling "Which way to Ireland???" > > Matt Paxton ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:11:23 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: iPads, iPhones, iDunnos.... From: "tkreiner" During the last two years, I've made numerous cross countries using the iPad with ForeFlight. I'm fact, during the free 30 day trial, a buddy and I flew in the Diamond DA20 I use, and compared ForeFlight against the Garmin 430 in the panel. Our 2 hr flight at various altitudes showed us that the variation in ground speed between the two devices was +/- 0.5kts, while course variation was +/- 1 degree. What's not to like with these numbers? Due to the arcane complexity of the Garmin, i.e., knobs, buttons, pages, etc., the Garmin is very easy to forget how to use if you make a cross country every 3 to 6 weeks. When I'm using flight following coming back into Class B airspace, ease of use and robust functionality mean a lot to me. Another consideration is that it's in the plane; not at your desk or in your hands while you're at home. You can view the online videos that ForeFlight has produced to quickly familiarize yourself with the product, without the pressure of ATC's demands and directives. Once airborne, you're very familiar with the use of the device, and how to access all of it's functions. ForeFlight, with it's intuitive method of simply touching some very easy to remember icons, of which there are only 8 or so, lets you quickly get to the item you're looking for. Not so with the Garmin. When you upgrade after the trial period, and log onto your iTunes account, an added benefit is that iTunes automatically adds ForeFlight to your iPhone. For my $75 bucks a year, I'll never buy another sectional again. Never again need to race to an FBO prior to closing to get a sectional for a 5:30 am departure... Oh, and one last item, the battery life on the iPad 2 is over 10 hours. In 10+ flights this has performed flawlessly. Just my $0.02. -------- Tom Kreiner Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388122#388122 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:50:49 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Didn't quite straighten the hook... From: Gene Rambo Ok, for everyone who has shown so much interest in my engine run, I just did my first full-power run up with the "BH Pietenpol Official Fish Scale" The results were.... It turned up 1980rpm, and the scale read 285lbs! Don't know what this tells us other than a propeller comparison with other Model A Piets. I need to get home and look up Mr Pietenpol's recommended static rpm, I can't remember the number. My prop is a Cloudcars scimitar 40 pitch, 76 diameter. Gene Rambo ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:55:07 AM PST US From: Max Hegler Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: iPads, iPhones, iDunnos.... I tried Control Vision Anywhere Map several years ago when they used a Wind ows based tablet computer. The first computer continually locked up=2C so t hey installed Windows 7. Then it only locked up about half the time. I sent it back a second time and they sent me a new computer. It would take as lo ng as 30 minutes to lock onto the GPS satellites would lose the signal if I moved it form the top of the instrument panel. Disgusted I returned it and they refunded my purchase price less a 15% restocking fee. The system cost $2195. I then bought the 1st generation IPad and WingX Pro and it has work ed flawlessly. Locks on to the satellites in about 10 seconds (I use the in ternal receiver). I have never had a need for a separate GPS receiver. The IPad and WingX Pro cost about 1/3 what the Control Vision cost at the time. I don't recommend Control Vision. Max > From: steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > Date: Fri=2C 16 Nov 2012 10:52:28 -0600 > Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: iPads=2C iPhones=2C iDunnos.... > " > > 3 navigation systems that I have discssed with computer and flying gurus are > > iPad based > WingX Has a lot of features about $99 per year > Foreflight easier for Luddites $70 for basic $140 per year for delux > > New player on the market is Anywhere map by control vision. they will sel l you a complete 7inch (smaller) android based system (NOT iPad) with inter nal GPS antenna for $800 with a LIFETIME supply data. They also offer iPad programs. www.controlvision.com > > Boy that muddys the water. > > I am in the middle of trying to decide if I want the iPad (more applicati ons availible.) or an Android based tablet. > > Blue Skies=2C > Steve D > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: woodflier@aol.com > Date: Friday=2C November 16=2C 2012 9:18 > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: iPads=2C iPhones=2C iDunnos.... > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > > > > Just a question for those of you experimenting with iPads and > > smartphones.. I'm guessing that you have a 12-volt battery source > > to keep the device charged. I have an Android phone=2C and am > > thinking about an iPad=2C probably an older one off eBay=2C but > > wondered about the internal battery life. I know when I use the > > Android for GPS nav in the car=2C it kills it pretty quickly unless > > it's plugged into a car charger. > > > > That said=2C I navigated to Brodhead in 2011 just with trip-tics and > > pilotage=2C and it was a lot of fun. But the weather was perfect and > > I didn't have to deviate from the planned course line at all. This > > past year=2C with all the weather in the midwest=2C my track to > > Brodhead looked like a snake. I was glad to have had an old Garmin > > 90 with me. Folded charts are a disaster in a Piet cockpit. > > > > I've had flashbacks to Jimmy Stewart in "The Spirit of St. Louis" > > flying low and yelling "Which way to Ireland???" > > > > Matt Paxton > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:59:28 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Didn't quite straighten the hook... From: "curtdm(at)gmail.com" That's better than a 1:1 thrust to Gene ratio! I think it will fly! -------- Curt Merdan Flower Mound, TX Do Not Archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388130#388130 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 11:58:10 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Didn't quite straighten the hook... From: Ryan Mueller Gene, Congrats! >From part I of the Model A text in the manual the family sells: "We recommend the engine to turn over at 1750 RPM on the ground and cruise at 1650 RPM in the air, although they will turn up to 1900 RPM in the air at full throttle flight. However cruising at 1650 reduces the amount of maintenance that is required for the engine." Ryan On Fri, Nov 16, 2012 at 12:50 PM, Gene Rambo wrote: > > Ok, for everyone who has shown so much interest in my engine run, I just > did my first full-power run up with the "BH Pietenpol Official Fish Scale" > > The results were.... > > It turned up 1980rpm, and the scale read 285lbs! > > Don't know what this tells us other than a propeller comparison with other > Model A Piets. I need to get home and look up Mr Pietenpol's recommended > static rpm, I can't remember the number. My prop is a Cloudcars scimitar > 40 pitch, 76 diameter. > > Gene Rambo > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:35:44 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Didn't quite straighten the hook... From: helspersew@aol.com Gene, Your airplane will take-off and fly, that is a certainty with these results . Congratulations !!!!!! -----Original Message----- From: Gene Rambo Sent: Fri, Nov 16, 2012 3:42 pm Subject: Pietenpol-List: Didn't quite straighten the hook... Ok, for everyone who has shown so much interest in my engine run, I just di d my first full-power run up with the "BH Pietenpol Official Fish Scale" The results were.... It turned up 1980rpm, and the scale read 285lbs! Don't know what this tells us other than a propeller comparison with other Model A Piets. I need to get home and look up Mr Pietenpol's recommended static rpm, I can't remember the number. My prop is a Cloudcars scimitar 40 pitch, 76 diameter. Gene Rambo ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:02 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Didn't quite straighten the hook... From: Gene Rambo Lol, wasn't worried whether it would fly, curious whether I was in line with other folks. Might be turning a little high, surprising with a 40P, we'll s ee next spring how it flys. I'll try the scale thing again after running a b it more unless someone else needs the "official" scale!! Gene Rambo On Nov 16, 2012, at 6:35 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote: > Gene, > > Your airplane will take-off and fly, that is a certainty with these result s. Congratulations !!!!!! > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Gene Rambo > To: pietenpol-list > Sent: Fri, Nov 16, 2012 3:42 pm > Subject: Pietenpol-List: Didn't quite straighten the hook... > > > Ok, for everyone who has shown so much interest in my engine run, I just d id my > first full-power run up with the "BH Pietenpol Official Fish Scale" > > The results were.... > > It turned up 1980rpm, and the scale read 285lbs! > > Don't know what this tells us other than a propeller comparison with other Model > A Piets. I need to get home and look up Mr Pietenpol's recommended static rpm, > I can't remember the number. My prop is a Cloudcars scimitar 40 pitch, 76 > diameter. > > Gene Rambo > > _blank">www.aeroelectric.com > " target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com > ="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > " target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:08:40 PM PST US From: Doug Dever Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: iPads, iPhones, iDunnos.... Try folding charts in an ultrlight! I just foled them in the direction of flight and folded one flap over and the other under as I went. Of course a t a 30kt cruise and 5gal of gas that usually wasn't far. Doug Dever In beautiful Stow Ohio Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: iPads=2C iPhones=2C iDunnos.... From: woodflier@aol.com Just a question for those of you experimenting with iPads and smartphones.. I'm guessing that you have a 12-volt battery source to keep the device cha rged. I have an Android phone=2C and am thinking about an iPad=2C probably an older one off eBay=2C but wondered about the internal battery life. I kn ow when I use the Android for GPS nav in the car=2C it kills it pretty quic kly unless it's plugged into a car charger. That said=2C I navigated to Brodhead in 2011 just with trip-tics and pilota ge=2C and it was a lot of fun. But the weather was perfect and I didn't hav e to deviate from the planned course line at all. This past year=2C with al l the weather in the midwest=2C my track to Brodhead looked like a snake. I was glad to have had an old Garmin 90 with me. Folded charts are a disaste r in a Piet cockpit. I've had flashbacks to Jimmy Stewart in "The Spirit of St. Louis" flying lo w and yelling "Which way to Ireland???" 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