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0. 12:12 AM - Some Nice Comments... (Matt Dralle)
1. 05:18 AM - Re: moving Scout (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
2. 05:49 AM - Re: moving Scout (AircamperN11MS)
3. 07:15 AM - Gauges (John Francis)
4. 07:29 AM - Re: Gauges (TOM STINEMETZE)
5. 07:37 AM - Re: Gauges (John Francis)
6. 08:02 AM - Re: Re: moving Scout (Bkemike)
7. 08:22 AM - Throttle Cable Routing for Stromberg on A65 (John Egan)
8. 08:25 AM - Re: Gauges (Michael Perez)
9. 08:52 AM - Re: Gauges (TOM STINEMETZE)
10. 09:49 AM - Re: Throttle Cable Routing for Stromberg on A65 (taildrags)
11. 10:02 AM - Re: Gauges (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
12. 10:18 AM - Aerovee Engine (Harvey Plummer)
13. 10:38 AM - Re: Aerovee Engine (taildrags)
14. 11:14 AM - $7,000 for an Aerovee from Sonex (assembly required) (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
15. 12:19 PM - Re: $7,000 for an Aerovee from Sonex (assembly required) (Gmail)
16. 02:14 PM - Re: $7,000 for an Aerovee from Sonex (assembly required) (Harvey Plummer)
17. 02:26 PM - Re: Re: $7,000 for an Aerovee from Sonex (assembly required) (C N Campbell)
18. 02:28 PM - Re: $7,000 for an Aerovee from Sonex (assembly required) (Don Emch)
19. 02:57 PM - Re: Re: Aerovee Engine (Andre Abreu)
20. 05:17 PM - Re: Re: Aerovee Engine (Ryan M)
21. 05:27 PM - Re: Aerovee Engine (nightmare)
22. 05:56 PM - Re: Re: Aerovee Engine (Michael Conkling)
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| Subject: | Some Nice Comments... |
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| Subject: | Re: moving Scout |
Glad You arrived safely with no damage to Scout. Sure would have been a fun cross
country flight, but you would have needed to be able to take a long time for
weather. I am sure that Scout will love the cooler temps up North.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: moving Scout
>
> I just arrived home in Medford a while ago, safe and sound (Scout,
> too). A very nice journey, but it sure was windy up in N.
> California today!!! Good thing it was from the south... I had a
> tailwind all day. Total distance traveled, 2051 miles so cutting
> across the Nevada desert saved me about 150 miles and truthfully,
> I enjoy the drive out that way. I got to see some live-fire
> bombing practice by jets out of Fallon and the other military
> sites out there are always intriguing anyway. Now to get the
> plane unloaded and safely hangared. Oh, and in reply to Chuck's
> questions about the van, see below.
>
> -Oscar
>
>
>
>
>
> >What size van did you use?
>
> It's a 26 ft. Penske moving van. The 22 footer rents for the same
> as a 26 footer, so I opted for the larger one but that's because I
> had other stuff to move in there. The wing panels are only 13 ft.
> long and the fuselage will fit in a 22 ft. van, although snug.
> For a 75 mile move, I wouldn't even consider it... find a 16 ft.
> flatbed trailer and load it up. Fits perfectly; I've done it
> before; see last picture here:
>
> http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/incident/incident.html
>
>
> >I assume you rented it. If so, from whom? Would I have access to
> the same
>
> company in North Carolina?
>
> Penske. Yes, you should have access to the same outfit. I opted
> for Penske for several reasons... their vans are turbo diesels,
> while the UHauls are all gasoline. In the mountains, it makes a
> difference and for long runs out West, it makes a big difference.
> But again, you needn't rent a moving van just to move 75 miles...
> it's way too expensive.
>
> >Did you have to fasten the wheel chocks to the
> floor of the van? If so how?
>
> I didn't have to, but it was recommended to me that I did, and I
> am VERY glad that I did! Every time I go over a bridge at highway
> speeds, or wrinkles in the pavement, the rig jumps around and if
> things weren't secured, it would not have held the airplane in
> place. We secured the chocks and straps to the oak floor of the
> van with deck screws, and I'll bet that the screw holes will not
> be noticeable when I remove the screws and smooth things down.
> It's a moving van, and the floor gets a lot of wear and tear. I
> don't intend to leave it rough though.
>
> >If you screwed or nailed them down, do you
> think the people who own the van would object to holes in the floor?
>
> I'll let them inspect it when I'm done and go from there. They
> don't provide D-rings or tie-downs on the floor of the van and
> it's a shame because we could really have used them to keep the
> plane from moving fore and aft that way. Our field adaptation
> worked perfectly though.
>
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| Subject: | Re: moving Scout |
Congratulation on the safe move.
HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL.
Cheers,
--------
Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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I'm way ahead of myself here but a friend gave me this panel. Are these gauges
the size, voltage, etc. that I could use in my Pietenpol? If so would it be
best to have them looked at by a rebuild shop to verify that they work? Just
asking.....
John
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John Francis
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John:
The clock and the altimeter, at least, should be usable if they work. You can
beg a ride with someone and take the altimeter along with you to confirm that
it agrees with the one in the plane. If it does not then a trip to the instrument
shop is in order. That doesn't come cheap but a lot cheaper than buying
a new one. A lot of the other stuff on that panel would just look silly on a
Piet panel anyway. 8^).
Just my 2 cents (Probably only worth about 1 cent these days.)
Tom Stinemetze
>>> "John Francis" <Mrkringles@msn.com> 11/21/2012 9:15 AM >>>
I'm way ahead of myself here but a friend gave me this panel. Are these gauges
the size, voltage, etc. that I could use in my Pietenpol? If so would it be
best to have them looked at by a rebuild shop to verify that they work? Just
asking.....
John
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John Francis
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Thanks, Tom. Do you think the other gauges have any value?
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John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: moving Scout |
Oscar, are you going to give Corky a chance to revive his ping-pong ball flo
tation scheme? The short route to Peru crosses some bodies of water.
Sent from an Apple iThingie.
On Nov 20, 2012, at 5:59 AM, Isablcorky@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 11/20/2012 12:21:54 A.M. Central Standard Time, taildra
gs@hotmail.com writes:
>
> Corky: I'm sorry I didn't mention that I wanted the plane moved. Next tim
e, I will. Oh, by the way: my wife has been telling me that she would like t
o see the Inca ruins at Machu Picchu. When can you have the airplane down t
here so I can fly her over the ruins?
>
> ;o)
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
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> I'll try
>
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| Subject: | Throttle Cable Routing for Stromberg on A65 |
Piet Builders,
I would like to learn what is the traditional method to route a throttle
control cable to a Stromberg NA-S3A1 carb on an A65 Continental, and what
type of cable is typically used. I assume something like a "A-920 Push
Pull Cable" may be a preferred cable? My understanding is that the cable
typically gets routed on the right side of the carb, above the oil tank,
and down at about a 45 degree angle. I am unsure of the type of cable, and
how to fix the cable in place prior to the carb (firewall foward). I didn't
find any details from Uncle Tony...
I apprecitae any help, and any photos of this area.
Thanks in advance,
John E.
Greenville, Wisconsin
All varnished, figuring out the cockpit controls, hope to complete some
fabric work next summer
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John, As you may already know, the Pietenpol instrument panel sits very clo
se to the pilot and is-somewhat small.-In my opinion, the large gauges,
such as the ones you have shown, just look too large and crowded on the Pi
et. panel. Some use a combination of both small and large,-which helps. S
ome of those more modern looking gauges may also look out of place in a "vi
ntage" aircraft...again, more so if they are large.- I am sure you can se
ll what you do not use, especially if you can validate they work properly.
Those funds can be used to purchase exactly what you want.
-
If you plan on having no electrical system, those gauges usually cost less
then the electric gauges. I am running full mechanical gauges, all small, (
2" range)- the panel layout and wiring-were very easy.
-
Michael Perez
Pietenpol HINT Videos
Karetaker Aero
www.karetakeraero.com
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John:
It all depends on whether or not the gauges work properly and if you can find a
poor schmuck willing to buy them from you. I, personally, bought several gauges
on eBay that were "in working order when removed from the panel for an upgrade."
Every one of them turned out to be usable for nothing except desk ornaments.
An instrument shop will check them out and yellow tag them which makes
them worth more to a prospective buyer - but - you may not get back out of them
what you have to invest to get them checked out and repaired.
That's another 1 cent worth.
Tom Stinemetze
>>> "John Francis" <Mrkringles@msn.com> 11/21/2012 9:37 AM >>>
Thanks, Tom. Do you think the other gauges have any value?
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John Francis
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| Subject: | Re: Throttle Cable Routing for Stromberg on A65 |
John: take a look at the last two photos here:
http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/A75.html
This is how Scout is rigged, and the way you describe the routing is precisely
the way I have it. I'm sorry that the photos don't show where or how the cable
is secured along the way, but I know that it is secured in at least one place
and I used the double Adel clamp method that is shown in Tony's book. One clamp
is on one of the tubes of the engine mount, and then a second clamp (bolted
to the first) clamps the throttle cable.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Just an observation. Your VSI looks pegged at a high rate of climb. Might be fixable
but it might only be depressing to see your slow rate of climb.
The best instruments there for your low and slow plane are (In my Humble opinion):
Altimeter (Pitot operated)
and needle and Ball (but it needs electricity)
with needle, Ball and airspeed you can fly instruments with a little training.
ONLY inadvertant IFR (recreational IFR.)
Among the more senior IFR Gurus, they keep repeating "Needle, Ball, Airspeed."
They might also provide some good trading items for instruments you select.
Blue Skies,
Steve D
----- Original Message -----
From: John Francis <Mrkringles@msn.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Gauges
>
> I'm way ahead of myself here but a friend gave me this panel. Are these gauges
the size, voltage, etc. that I could use in my Pietenpol? If
> so would it be best to have them looked at by a rebuild shop to
> verify that they work? Just asking.....
>
> John
>
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> John Francis
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Has anyone built and flown a Piet with a VW or more specifically an Aerovee Conversions
engine? What type prop did you use? What are your climb, cruise and approach
RPMs?
I just finished a Sonex with an Aerovee and I am thinking maybe a Pietenpol might
be the next project.
Thanks.
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Harv, 485PB
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| Subject: | Re: Aerovee Engine |
Harvey;
This has been discussed off and on here and in the print Newsletter for years,
but I don't know if any Piets have ever flown with a VW engine. A couple of years
ago there was an article in the BPA News (the print newsletter) about that
very thing, and I believe Doc Mosher wrote the article. The conclusion was,
"why not VW power?"
One issue that I see with the VW is that it is very light, and Piets already tend
to be tail-heavy. As you know, there are many, many Piets flying with the
6-cylinder Corvair engine of similar configuration as the VW but it weighs more
and puts out more power than a 4-cylinder VW. Also as you probably know, the
converse of this situation is that there are Sonexes powered by Corvairs but
they have been very carefully designed and installed to keep the engine as tight
to the firewall as possible, for CG reasons I guess. The Piet has the opposite
condition.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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| Subject: | $7,000 for an Aerovee from Sonex (assembly required) |
Harvey,
Congratulations on finishing your Sonex! What a great little go-fast airpl
ane. The Aerovee is a perfect engine for
that plane but there are better, more proven engines that have flown for ye
ars on the Pietenpol that are less costly,
and much more suitable to the speed of the airframe and passenger-carrying
desires. After seeing how expensive
a new Aerovee Conversion is I would just go out and buy a low time A-65 Con
tinental or if money is not an issue
you could probably get a pretty nice 0-200 and have all kinds of power.
Like Oscar said, there have been Piets built with VW engines but I have not
heard of any that flew, let alone given
any information that would be helpful in answering your questions.
The best way to get in the air quickly is just to purchase a flying Pietenp
ol for only a few thousand more than the Aerovee
costs.
All the best,
Mike C.
Ohio
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| Subject: | Re: $7,000 for an Aerovee from Sonex (assembly required) |
Good point Mike. And Bill Rewey's Piet is a bargain at $12K !!
Greg Bacon
Garratt Callahan
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On Nov 21, 2012, at 1:14 PM, "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, L
LC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote:
> Harvey,
>
> Congratulations on finishing your Sonex! What a great little go-fast airp
lane. The Aerovee is a perfect engine for
> that plane but there are better, more proven engines that have flown for y
ears on the Pietenpol that are less costly,
> and much more suitable to the speed of the airframe and passenger-carrying
desires. After seeing how expensive
> a new Aerovee Conversion is I would just go out and buy a low time A-65 Co
ntinental or if money is not an issue
> you could probably get a pretty nice 0-200 and have all kinds of power.
>
> Like Oscar said, there have been Piets built with VW engines but I have no
t heard of any that flew, let alone given
> any information that would be helpful in answering your questions.
>
> The best way to get in the air quickly is just to purchase a flying Pieten
pol for only a few thousand more than the Aerovee
> costs.
>
> All the best,
> Mike C.
> Ohio
> <image001.png>
> 1994 Pietenpol by Bill Rewey
> <image002.png>
> 1994 PIETENPOL BY BILL REWEY =A2 $12,000 =A2 FOR SALE BY BUILD
ER =A2 550TT, A65 with electric start 608-833-5839 For photos, search w
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| Subject: | Re: $7,000 for an Aerovee from Sonex (assembly required) |
Mike, thanks for the input. However, I am still interested in the posibility of
building a Piet with an Aerovee engine.
If I wanted a quick way to fly I would either climb in my Sonex or my C172 and
go flying. I am looking for the fun of building and then flying an open cockpit,
slow plane like the Pietenpol. I also enjoyed the "assembly required" part
of the Aerovee. And, if cost becomes an issue I'll take the engine out of the
Sonex and put it in the Piet.
I'd still like to find someone flying a piet with a VW.
Thanks again. I understand where you are coming from.
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| Subject: | Re: $7,000 for an Aerovee from Sonex (assembly required) |
You might be Numero Uno!!!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Harvey Plummer" <plummerharvey@yahoo.com>
Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2012 5:14 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: $7,000 for an Aerovee from Sonex (assembly
required)
> <plummerharvey@yahoo.com>
>
> Mike, thanks for the input. However, I am still interested in the
> posibility of building a Piet with an Aerovee engine.
>
> If I wanted a quick way to fly I would either climb in my Sonex or my C172
> and go flying. I am looking for the fun of building and then flying an
> open cockpit, slow plane like the Pietenpol. I also enjoyed the "assembly
> required" part of the Aerovee. And, if cost becomes an issue I'll take the
> engine out of the Sonex and put it in the Piet.
>
> I'd still like to find someone flying a piet with a VW.
>
> Thanks again. I understand where you are coming from.
>
> --------
> Harv, 485PB
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| Subject: | Re: $7,000 for an Aerovee from Sonex (assembly required) |
Harvey,
I'm definitely no expert... but for a short and quick explanation, the Piet needs
quite a bit of thrust to overcome the high amount of drag. The thrust comes
from a long prop. The VW engine makes it's horsepower at a relatively high
rpm... in order to turn up it needs a small short prop. It simply can't swing
a long prop high fast enough to make the power. So with a short prop it can
develop the horsepower but it does not really gain the thrust. The reason the
Model A works so well is that the engine can swing a long prop at the low rpm
and create lots of thrust. The old OX5 engines created 90 HP at 1300-1400 and
swung an 8' prop and had lots of thrust to overcome all the weight and drag
of the old biplanes. A 90 HP VW engine swinging a 5' prop at 3000 rpm would probably
have a difficult time getting the up to much more than a fast taxi, if
that even. For the Pietenpol you really have to think thrust. Now a VW engine
with a Valley Engineering reduction unit would become a whole different combination
and would probably work well. But there just isn't much out there that
can beat the simple thrust of the Model A and the small Continentals.... okay...
maybe the Corvair too... :-)
Don Emch
NX899DE
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| Subject: | Re: Aerovee Engine |
Here is my 2 cents.
A65 is a great engine.
Andy Abreu
6186L
--- On Wed, 11/21/12, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
From: taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com>
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aerovee Engine
Harvey;
This has been discussed off and on here and in the print Newsletter for yea
rs, but I don't know if any Piets have ever flown with a VW engine.- A co
uple of years ago there was an article in the BPA News (the print newslette
r) about that very thing, and I believe Doc Mosher wrote the article.- Th
e conclusion was, "why not VW power?"
One issue that I see with the VW is that it is very light, and Piets alread
y tend to be tail-heavy.- As you know, there are many, many Piets flying
with the 6-cylinder Corvair engine of similar configuration as the VW but i
t weighs more and puts out more power than a 4-cylinder VW.- Also as you
probably know, the converse of this situation is that there are Sonexes pow
ered by Corvairs but they have been very carefully designed and installed t
o keep the engine as tight to the firewall as possible, for CG reasons I gu
ess.- The Piet has the opposite condition.
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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le, List Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: Aerovee Engine |
Well said!=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Andre Abreu <a
ndre_abreu_2000@yahoo.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Wedn
esday, November 21, 2012 5:56 PM=0ASubject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Aerovee
Engine=0A =0A=0AHere is my 2 cents.=0AA65 is a great engine.=0A=0AAndy Abr
eu=0A6186L=0A=0A=0A=0A--- On Wed, 11/21/12, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.co
m> wrote:=0A=0A=0A>From: taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com>=0A>Subject: Piet
enpol-List: Re: Aerovee Engine=0A>To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com=0A>Date:
Wednesday, November 21, 2012, 1:38 PM=0A>=0A>=0A>--> Pietenpol-List messag
e posted by: "taildrags" <taildrags@hotmail.com>=0A>=0A>Harvey;=0A>=0A>This
has been discussed off and on here and in the print Newsletter for years,
but I don't know if any Piets have ever flown with a VW engine.- A couple
of years ago there was an article in=0A the BPA News (the print newsletter
) about that very thing, and I believe Doc Mosher wrote the article.- The
conclusion was, "why not VW power?"=0A>=0A>One issue that I see with the V
W is that it is very light, and Piets already tend to be tail-heavy.- As
you know, there are many, many Piets flying with the 6-cylinder Corvair eng
ine of similar configuration as the VW but it weighs more and puts out more
power than a 4-cylinder VW.- Also as you probably know, the converse of
this situation is that there are Sonexes powered by Corvairs but they have
been very carefully designed and installed to keep the engine as tight to t
he firewall as possible, for CG reasons I guess.- The Piet has the opposi
te condition.=0A>=0A>--------=0A>Oscar Zuniga=0A>Medford, OR=0A>Air Camper
NX41CC "Scout"=0A>A75 power=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>Read this topic on
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| Subject: | Re: Aerovee Engine |
Harvey; great to hear of your sonex success. i would have to agree with the others
, with the additional recommendation of the corvair engine. you may get the
aero v engine to work with the reduction drive that i believe they now offer.
that will give you the torque to turn a larger prop, still would probably have
w&b issues though. im sorry , but i dont think anyone has done it. Paul
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Paul Donahue
Started 8-3-12
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| Subject: | Re: Aerovee Engine |
Hey Harvey,
I guess if you must dream of a VW powered Piet, you might consider the
Lacey M-10C with it's (2) VW engines...
Positive side....
1.) (2) VW engines weight about the same as a Model "A"...
2.) (2) 54" VW props sweep a bit more area than a Model A prop...
3.) You get to fly a Piet and keep your Multi-engine rating current...
Negative side...
1.) You will want to start the R.H. engine first -- VW engines turn the
other way...
2.) If you lose an engine, the other engine will most likely extend your
flight to the scene of the crash...
Mike C.
Pretty Prairie, KS
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 12:38 PM, taildrags <taildrags@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Harvey;
>
> This has been discussed off and on here and in the print Newsletter for
> years, but I don't know if any Piets have ever flown with a VW engine. A
> couple of years ago there was an article in the BPA News (the print
> newsletter) about that very thing, and I believe Doc Mosher wrote the
> article. The conclusion was, "why not VW power?"
>
> One issue that I see with the VW is that it is very light, and Piets
> already tend to be tail-heavy. As you know, there are many, many Piets
> flying with the 6-cylinder Corvair engine of similar configuration as the
> VW but it weighs more and puts out more power than a 4-cylinder VW. Also
> as you probably know, the converse of this situation is that there are
> Sonexes powered by Corvairs but they have been very carefully designed and
> installed to keep the engine as tight to the firewall as possible, for CG
> reasons I guess. The Piet has the opposite condition.
>
> --------
> Oscar Zuniga
> Medford, OR
> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
> A75 power
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388542#388542
>
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