---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 11/23/12: 13 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:08 AM - "Black Friday" For List Fund Raiser...? (Matt Dralle) 1. 08:23 AM - Wire (Jack) 2. 08:25 AM - Progress (Oscar Zuniga) 3. 08:53 AM - Re: Progress (Gary Boothe) 4. 09:01 AM - Re: Wire (Gary Boothe) 5. 11:36 AM - Re: Progress (Jim Boyer) 6. 01:09 PM - Re: Progress (Bill Church) 7. 02:20 PM - Re: Re: Throttle Cable Routing for Stromberg on A65 (John Egan) 8. 02:26 PM - Re: Progress (kevinpurtee) 9. 02:43 PM - Re: Throttle Cable Routing for Stromberg on A65 (John Egan) 10. 05:37 PM - Re: Throttle Cable Routing for Stromberg on A65 (taildrags) 11. 05:54 PM - Re: moving Scout (taildrags) 12. 06:47 PM - Model A engine Tach (Pietflyer1977) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:08:22 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: "Black Friday" For List Fund Raiser...? Dear Listers, The number of List subscriptions are up by a fair amount this year, but support during this year's Fund Raiser is substantially behind last year, and there's only about a week left until the end of the Fund Raiser. I have always preferred a non-commercial List experience as many, many members have also expressed that they do as well. However, if the yearly fund raiser cannot generate sufficient funds to keep the bills paid, other sources of income might be required including some sort of advertising. Please don't let that happen! Your personal Contribution of $20 or $30 goes a long ways to keeping this operation a float. Please make sure your name is on this year's List of Contributors! The List Contribution site is secure, quick, and easy: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 Thank you in advance for your support! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List and Forum Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:23:30 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wire From: Jack Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving! I know Tony recommends aircraft cable when wiring, which I most likely will. Anyone use auto stranded type wire? Ducking for cover... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:25:49 AM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Progress Kevin=3B Nice work on the center section! Flying it inverted=2C I see =3Bo) Questi on: do you intend to put fuel in the center section=2C or will it just be a baggage locker? Oscar ZunigaAir Camper NX41CC "Scout"A75 PowerMedford=2C OR hangar T6 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:53:49 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Progress You (and Shelley) are testimony to perseverance! BTW...I had no idea if my advice would work...just the first thought that popped into my head. Gary Boothe (Pietenpol X-wing) NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of kevinpurtee Sent: Thursday, November 22, 2012 12:57 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Progress --> What a great way to spend Thanksgiving. BTW: the one piece wing was much less complicated, though a bear to handle. Thanks to Gary Boothe for his advice on how to make the thing square. Thanks to the very kind individual who gave me the ribs. We ran the engine two weeks ago at Corvair College 24, hosted by PF Beck and crew in South Carolina. Another kind and exceptionally generous individual gave me huge chunks of an engine to make that event possible. Thanks to William Wynne & crew for their efforts prior to the college. Shelley & I are blessed. -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388623#388623 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/center_section_small_145.jpg ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:01:29 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Wire Jack, I did not use auto type, but... Assuming that you are not concerned about the fire resistance of the insulation on A/C wire...and, assuming that you are not concerned that the wire you are purchasing is coming from a low bidder in China (in other words, no quality control)... My recommendation would be to at least use the A/C connectors, which will provide better support of the insulation at the connection, where most failure is likely to occur. Happy Thanksgiving Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Friday, November 23, 2012 8:23 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Wire Hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving! I know Tony recommends aircraft cable when wiring, which I most likely will. Anyone use auto stranded type wire? Ducking for cover... Sent from my iPad Jack Textor ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:36:45 AM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Progress HI Kevin, Glad to see you have the center section well in hand. I hope to have Gary give me his wing advice here before long too. Have you got the fuselage and tail surfaces done already? Happy Thanksgiving Jim and Arlene ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:09:17 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Progress From: "Bill Church" Nice progress. Are you planning to put some padding around the bricks, so your passengers don't hurt their head? Or maybe you just like keeping a couple of bricks handy, to throw at people who ask dumb questions. BC Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388755#388755 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:20:24 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Throttle Cable Routing for Stromberg on A65 From: John Egan <1smilingmoon@gmail.com> Thanks Oscar, I did look at your web site prior to posting my question as you have some good information for us builders. I looked at the engine on the motor mount today, and it appears to me that I could use the double Adel clamp method you describe, as my "X" brace tubing for the motor mount crosses the path of the throttle cable in about the correct place. I'll plan on fixing the cable at the tubing in this location. Thank you, john e. On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 11:49 AM, taildrags wrote: > > John: take a look at the last two photos here: > > http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/A75.html > > This is how Scout is rigged, and the way you describe the routing is > precisely the way I have it. I'm sorry that the photos don't show where or > how the cable is secured along the way, but I know that it is secured in at > least one place and I used the double Adel clamp method that is shown in > Tony's book. One clamp is on one of the tubes of the engine mount, and > then a second clamp (bolted to the first) clamps the throttle cable. > > -------- > Oscar Zuniga > Medford, OR > Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" > A75 power > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388535#388535 > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:26:00 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Progress From: "kevinpurtee" Hi Oscar - Fuel. I'll do the Gary Boothe treatment on the tank so I can fly longer than 1:35 before flameout. Hi Jim - I was able to repair the tail surfaces so they exist. I have not started the fuselage. Hi Bill - -------- Kevin "Axel" Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388761#388761 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:43:08 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Throttle Cable Routing for Stromberg on A65 From: John Egan <1smilingmoon@gmail.com> O.k., so a bowden cable is stiff enough not to kink or flex when actuated if it's attached some distance away from the carb lever. Sounds good. It's quite a distance (9 inches maybe) from the carb to above the oil tank. I'd hate to push on the throtlle lever in the cockpit, and get little response at the carb... The engine I bought has a "B' nut on the carb lever, so a bowden cable was used here. My throttle lever inside the cockpit is a simple pivoting lever like so many Piets have on them, where another "B' nut can be attached. By the way builders, the local hardware stores that often have hardware for sale in those stacks of plastic boxes in trays (True Value, Ace Hardware) often carry the "B" nuts in one of those trays. Thanks Michael, john On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 8:26 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > John, I used a simple bowden cable with machined "B" nuts I made myself. > (You can also purchase them from ACS.) I made my own throttle lever > (cockpit control),I can adjust the friction on it to prevent the throttle > from "creeping" in flight. The cable is attached with said B-nut. The > cable runs down the left side, exits the firewall and crosses over to the > right side. The outer casing of the cable is clamped to the engine mount. > The inner cable passes over the oil tank then down to the carb. throttle > lever, attached with another B-nut. > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:37:47 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Throttle Cable Routing for Stromberg on A65 From: "taildrags" John; The throttle bell crank on my Stromberg requires very, very little effort to swing the butterfly in the throat of the carb. The inner wire of the Bowden should be plenty stiff to operate the butterfly. *BUT*- that's under normal circumstances. Thinking about abnormal conditions (or maybe "normal" for Strombergs a lot of the time), if you have carb ice in the venturi, it may pose significant resistance to movement of the butterfly in the throat of the carb and if you tried to operate the throttle against that resistance, your inner wire would buckle. The outer jacket of my Bowden cable is secured much closer to the carb than 9"; I believe it's clamped to one of the carb screws using a fabricated tab. Let me look at it on Saturday and maybe get you a picture. I think you need to run the outer jacket longer, clamp it closer to the carb, and only have a couple of inches of inner wire outside the outer jacket. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388772#388772 ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:54:29 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: moving Scout From: "taildrags" Just one last shot on this thread and I'll move on. Here's a picture of Scout in the new hangar. Actually, only one hangar door is open in this shot (the Zenith project is behind the other door). LOTS of Texas hangar dust on the tops of the wings! I have the new cooling eyebrows to install, a little bit of maintenance to do here and there before annual condition inspection, and one thing that I'm going to fix for good is the front seat support. My rudder bar stops have dislodged the vertical front seat support plywood twice now, breaking glue joints, so I'm going to put down a crosspiece to secure the bottom of the support to the plywood floor, glued and screwed. When wearing bulky shoes or boots while flying, it is almost impossible to fully deflect the rudder bar without pushing the front seat upright plywood forward. Anybody else ever had to reattach the lower edge of the front seat plywood? -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388775#388775 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/img_1609_150.jpg ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:47:21 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Model A engine Tach From: "Pietflyer1977" Could anyone tell me what kind of Tach is needed for use with a Model A engine. Will it need to work clockwise or counter clockwise? 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