Pietenpol-List Digest Archive

Mon 11/26/12


Total Messages Posted: 32



Today's Message Index:
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     0. 10:03 AM - Contributions Down By 23%... (Matt Dralle)
     1. 05:27 AM - Re: av gas in an old bike.. (Jerry Dotson)
     2. 06:04 AM - old bike (Douwe Blumberg)
     3. 06:05 AM - Re: Wing Spar help? (Michael Perez)
     4. 06:44 AM - Re: Wing Spar help? (C N Campbell)
     5. 07:38 AM - Re: Wing Spar help? (Ryan Mueller)
     6. 08:41 AM - Re: Wing Spar help? (Michael Perez)
     7. 08:41 AM - old bike (Dave Abramson)
     8. 09:53 AM - av gas in an old bike.. (Oscar Zuniga)
     9. 10:30 AM - center section question (nightmare)
    10. 11:39 AM - GN-1 with a VW engine (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
    11. 11:49 AM - Re: center section question (tools)
    12. 01:05 PM - Re: center section question (Don Emch)
    13. 01:26 PM - Re: center section question (V Groah)
    14. 01:28 PM - Re: Re: center section question (Greg Bacon)
    15. 01:52 PM - Re: Re: center section question (Ben Charvet)
    16. 02:08 PM - Re: Progress (kevinpurtee)
    17. 03:27 PM - Greg Bacon's progress (Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC])
    18. 04:11 PM - Re: center section question (nightmare)
    19. 04:19 PM - Re: Greg Bacon's progress (nightmare)
    20. 05:22 PM - A good Day (Jack Phillips)
    21. 05:47 PM - Re: Re: Progress (Andre Abreu)
    22. 05:59 PM - Re: Re: Progress (Gary Boothe)
    23. 06:20 PM - Re: Re: center section question (Rick Schreiber)
    24. 07:16 PM - Kind of OT camera question (Don Emch)
    25. 07:45 PM - Re: Kind of OT camera question (nightmare)
    26. 07:48 PM - Re: Kind of OT camera question (Greg Bacon)
    27. 08:10 PM - Re: Kind of OT camera question (Greg Cardinal)
    28. 08:52 PM - Re: Kind of OT camera question (Gary Boothe)
    29. 09:10 PM - Re: Greg Bacon's progress (Greg Bacon)
    30. 09:30 PM - Re: Re: center section question (jorge lizarraga)
    31. 10:38 PM - Re: Greg Bacon's progress (K5YAC)
 
 
 


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    Time: 10:03:37 AM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Contributions Down By 23%...
    Dear Listers, As of today, Contributions to the Matronics List Fund Raiser are lagging behind last year at this time by roughly 23%. I have a Fund Raiser each year simply to cover my operating costs for the Lists. I *do not* accept any advertising income to support the Lists and rely solely on the Contributions of members to keep the expenses paid. I run all of my own servers and they are housed here locally, and the Internet connection is a commercial-grade, dual T1 connection with public address space. I also maintain a full backup system that does nightly backups of all List-related data so that in the event of a server crash, all of the Lists and the many years of List archive data could be restored onto a new server in a matter of hours. All of this costs a fair amount of money, not to mention a significant amount of my personal time. I have a Fund Raiser each year to cover these costs and I ask that members that feel they receive a benefit from my investments make a modest Contribution each year to support the continued operation and upgrade of these services. If you enjoy the Lists, please make a Contribution today. I also offer some incentive gifts for larger Contribution levels. At the Contribution Web Site, you can use a credit card, Paypal, or personal check to show your support for the continuation of these services: http://www.matronics.com/contribution Or, drop a personal check in the mail to: Matt Dralle / Matronics 581 Jeannie Way Livermore CA 94550 Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator


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    Time: 05:27:37 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: av gas in an old bike..
    From: "Jerry Dotson" <jdotson@centurylink.net>
    I have used this STA-BIL for years in my 1997 22.5 hp Sears tractor/lawnmower with no problems at all. I use it in my chainsaw gas too. Avgas is good stuff for storing as well as for running. Way back when I worked at St Lucie airport(KFPR) and we had a 16 hp Briggs powered Yazoo that never saw auto gas. We used what was convienient....80/87 avgas. Never a problem. STA-BIL Fuel Stabilizer http://www.goldeagle.com/brands/stabil/ -------- Jerry Dotson First flight June 16,2012 Started building July, 2009 Lycoming O-235 C2C Jay Anderson CloudCars prop 76 X 44 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388955#388955


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    Time: 06:04:22 AM PST US
    From: "Douwe Blumberg" <douweblumberg@earthlink.net>
    Subject: old bike
    Thanks guys for all the good suggestions. This is a GREAT list!! D


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    Time: 06:05:49 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Wing Spar help?
    I believe there was some talk on here a while ago and if I remember correctly, those wedge spacers are not needed. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 06:44:36 AM PST US
    From: "C N Campbell" <cncampbell@windstream.net>
    Subject: Re: Wing Spar help?
    Michael, they ARE needed if he doesn['t have the vertical members in the ribs to attach to the spar. You and I were smart by putting those vertical members in -- the older plans do not show the verticals. Oh! I forgot. I used the GN-1 rib plan for my ribs. That plan has the verticals at each spar location. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Perez To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 9:05 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Wing Spar help? I believe there was some talk on here a while ago and if I remember correctly, those wedge spacers are not needed. Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 07:38:27 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Wing Spar help?
    From: Ryan Mueller <ryan@rmueller.org>
    Chuck is correct. From the manual the family sells: Note 12. Wedges. These are the wedges that are fit between the rib and the top of the spar. I've been frequently asked what value they serve. Rather than try to answer the question, I'll express to you that Mr. Pietenpol was very insistent that these wedges were installed over the spar. There is a heavy compression load at this point. As a side note, from the Q&A section: Q: Why not reshape the top of the spar to fit the shape of the rib? A: Adds weight, serves no useful purpose. It would also require that the lift strut wing fittings be redesigned. That is all crew. Ryan On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 8:05 AM, Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>wrote: > I believe there was some talk on here a while ago and if I remember > correctly, those wedge spacers are not needed. > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > * > > * > >


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    Time: 08:41:56 AM PST US
    From: Michael Perez <speedbrake@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: Wing Spar help?
    I was not aware that some forms of the rib plans do not indicate the vertical supports. (F&G manual?) I believe the full size Pietenpol rib plan does. (I did not use this plan, I built the Riblett 312, which also shows said verticals.) Interesting... Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com


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    Time: 08:41:56 AM PST US
    From: "Dave Abramson" <davea@symbolicdisplays.com>
    Subject: old bike
    Hi Douwe, I have several bikes and cars that get little use. I run them dry if they are going to sit. just turn off the gas with a petcock on the bikes. Cars have a fuel pump cutoff switch so I can run them dry aswell. No problems for many years. Love avgas!!! But still like to run them dry.... Best Regards, Dave -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Douwe Blumberg Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 6:04 AM To: pietenpolgroup Subject: Pietenpol-List: old bike Thanks guys for all the good suggestions. This is a GREAT list!! D


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    Time: 09:53:05 AM PST US
    From: Oscar Zuniga <taildrags@hotmail.com>
    Subject: av gas in an old bike..
    I run 100LL exclusively in my '66/67 Triumph Bonneville. It keeps perfectl y and I think it more closely matches the original spec for the fuel. Oscar Zuniga Medford=2C OR


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    Time: 10:30:11 AM PST US
    Subject: center section question
    From: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
    Hey Guys ; working on center section and wondering if i should keep the undersurface under camber to match the ribs. not sure if just glue would keep the fabric attached , since the plywood prevents the use of stitching it tight i didnt want it to come loose. thanks ; Paul -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389057#389057


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    Time: 11:39:44 AM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: GN-1 with a VW engine
    Here's a Grega GN-1 with a VW engine. The poster lists himself as being from Brazil. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zd0OtA9Du-k&feature=plcp If you follow what the Airdrome WWI airplane builders are using you'll noti ce they are using reduction drive units (as others have mentioned) but all of the p lanes they fly are single-seaters. My guess is that you could in fact fly a Pietenpol with a VW engine with a reduction drive but it will most likely be a single seat airplane. Also you'd better build it extremely light:) ! http://www.airdromeaeroplanes.com/torquemasterengine.html [cid:image001.jpg@01CDCBE3.CDE516D0]


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    Time: 11:49:50 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: center section question
    From: "tools" <n0kkj@yahoo.com>
    Glue alone will hold it fine. The under side has high pressure, so no aerodynamic forces pulling it away which only leaves the shrink of the fabric pulling it loose, and there's no reason to put full shrink on it. Also, it's not a matter of only having ribs to glue the fabric to, but the entire surface which gives tons of area for hold. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389065#389065


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    Time: 01:05:29 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: center section question
    From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
    You can keep a nice neat and uniform appearance if you run a capstrip in the location where a rib would be and glue it to the underside of the plywood. It adds a little stiffness to the plywood too. Then drill small holes in the plywood and stitch the fabric to the capstrip/plywood. Keeps it very neat and uniform and I always like the idea of stitching rather than glueing, even if it is on the underside. That's how I did mine... but again, there are many "correct" methods out there. :D Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389070#389070


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    Time: 01:26:20 PM PST US
    From: V Groah <vgroah@hotmail.com>
    Subject: center section question
    Ours seems to be ok so far on 414MV vic > Subject: Pietenpol-List: center section question > From: pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com > Date: Mon=2C 26 Nov 2012 10:29:55 -0800 > To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com > .com> > > Hey Guys =3B working on center section and wondering if i should keep the undersurface under camber to match the ribs. not sure if just glue would k eep the fabric attached =2C since the plywood prevents the use of stitching it tight i didnt want it to come loose. thanks =3B Paul > > -------- > Paul Donahue > Started 8-3-12 > do not archive > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389057#389057 > > > > > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > >


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    Time: 01:28:36 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: center section question
    From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67@gmail.com>
    Don's right Paul, there are many ways to cover the center section. I glued 100% of the fabric to the plywood using the Stewart System "ekobond" diluted 5% per Dan Stewart's recommendation. See attached pics. It is attached very well. Greg Bacon NX114D (Mountain Piet) On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Don Emch <EmchAir@aol.com> wrote: > > You can keep a nice neat and uniform appearance if you run a capstrip in > the location where a rib would be and glue it to the underside of the > plywood. It adds a little stiffness to the plywood too. Then drill small > holes in the plywood and stitch the fabric to the capstrip/plywood. Keeps > it very neat and uniform and I always like the idea of stitching rather > than glueing, even if it is on the underside. That's how I did mine... but > again, there are many "correct" methods out there. :D > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389070#389070 > > -- Greg Bacon


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    Time: 01:52:51 PM PST US
    From: Ben Charvet <bencharvet@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: center section question
    I did the same thing Ben Charvet 149 hours On 11/26/2012 4:28 PM, Greg Bacon wrote: > Don's right Paul, there are many ways to cover the center section. I > glued 100% of the fabric to the plywood using the Stewart System > "ekobond" diluted 5% per Dan Stewart's recommendation. See attached > pics. It is attached very well. > > Greg Bacon > NX114D (Mountain Piet) > > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 3:05 PM, Don Emch <EmchAir@aol.com > <mailto:EmchAir@aol.com>> wrote: > > <mailto:EmchAir@aol.com>> > > You can keep a nice neat and uniform appearance if you run a > capstrip in the location where a rib would be and glue it to the > underside of the plywood. It adds a little stiffness to the > plywood too. Then drill small holes in the plywood and stitch the > fabric to the capstrip/plywood. Keeps it very neat and uniform > and I always like the idea of stitching rather than glueing, even > if it is on the underside. That's how I did mine... but again, > there are many "correct" methods out there. :D > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389070#389070 > > > ========== > ="_blank">www.aeroelectric.com > ooks.com" target="_blank">www.buildersbooks.com > et="_blank">www.homebuilthelp.com > ="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > le, List Admin. > ========== > st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List > ========== > http://forums.matronics.com > ========== > > > -- > Greg Bacon > > -- Ben Charvet, PharmD Staff Pharmacist Parrish Medical center


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    Time: 02:08:40 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Progress
    From: "kevinpurtee" <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil>
    Hi Jim - We dumped 11 gallons in and then 9.5 came out during the flow test. At 6 gph that gives me 1:35 flight time. I made the tank to the plans without considering the higher fuel consumption of my engine. 16 gallons will give you more flight time than you want. -------- Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389074#389074


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    Time: 03:27:48 PM PST US
    From: "Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC]" <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov>
    Subject: Greg Bacon's progress
    Greg-you are doing some fine looking work and I like your priorities with y our basement drywalled but not completely finished-yet you're working on the Piet. You got it right :)! If you have any other progress photos I for one would be happy if you share d them with us. Perhaps you've already got a Chris Tracy Westcoast Piet web site photo bunch entered. Mike C.


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    Time: 04:11:23 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: center section question
    From: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
    great stuff, looks like more than one way to skin a center section. -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389079#389079


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    Time: 04:19:16 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Greg Bacon's progress
    From: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
    i dont see Greg's post on his progress? is this one of those phantom posts again? -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389080#389080


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    Time: 05:22:29 PM PST US
    From: "Jack Phillips" <pietflyr@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: A good Day
    Had a chance to fly both airplanes ' my Pietenpol and my RV-4 today. 63=B0 and calm winds, which is a far cry from the high of 42=B0 they are forecasting for tomorrow. This time of year I try to fly the Pietenpol every day that I can with warm temperatures. Very nice flying above Smith Mountain Lake, a beautiful lake surrounded by the Blue Ridge Mountains. Here=92s a video shot by a friend of mine as I took him and his wife flying in my plane a couple of years ago. I think I posted this a couple of years ago but some of the newer builders might enjoy this as inspiration for the coming winter (prime building) months. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5HZGq0YZ2Y Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia


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    Time: 05:47:57 PM PST US
    From: Andre Abreu <andre_abreu_2000@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Progress
    Very important point Kevin just made.- Fuel starvation is a common theme in homebuilts. Just because you got 11 gallon tank don't mean you got 11 gallons of usable fuel. We have a center section fuel tank in our Piet...- 11 gallons.. 8 gallons useable.- We go with a 4 gallon burn on our A65 which technically gives us about 1.5 hours endurance per the FARs.- As a club rule, we land with 60 minutes instead of 30 remaining in the tank.- I can only stand about a n hour anyway.- After that, I have to get out and do some yoga. Another thing... We also noticed that in an extended slip, we are easily ab le to unport the fuel pickup and starve the engine!!!- With the metal pro pellor windmilling, the A65 started right back up as soon as the slip was t erminated.- Now that I think of it, I wonder if our new wooden prop will windmill like the metal one does.- Andy Abreu 6186L --- On Mon, 11/26/12, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote: From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Progress il> Hi Jim - We dumped 11 gallons in and then 9.5 came out during the flow test .- At 6 gph that gives me 1:35 flight time.- I made the tank to the pla ns without considering the higher fuel consumption of my engine. 16 gallons will give you more flight time than you want. -------- Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389074#389074 le, List Admin.


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    Time: 05:59:00 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Progress
    "I wonder if our new wooden prop will windmill like the metal one does." You can bet it won't!! Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andre Abreu Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 5:48 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Progress Very important point Kevin just made. Fuel starvation is a common theme in homebuilts. Just because you got 11 gallon tank don't mean you got 11 gallons of usable fuel. We have a center section fuel tank in our Piet... 11 gallons.. 8 gallons useable. We go with a 4 gallon burn on our A65 which technically gives us about 1.5 hours endurance per the FARs. As a club rule, we land with 60 minutes instead of 30 remaining in the tank. I can only stand about an hour anyway. After that, I have to get out and do some yoga. Another thing... We also noticed that in an extended slip, we are easily able to unport the fuel pickup and starve the engine!!! With the metal propellor windmilling, the A65 started right back up as soon as the slip was terminated. Now that I think of it, I wonder if our new wooden prop will windmill like the metal one does. Andy Abreu 6186L --- On Mon, 11/26/12, kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> wrote: From: kevinpurtee <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Progress <kevin.purtee@us.army.mil> Hi Jim - We dumped 11 gallons in and then 9.5 came out during the flow test. At 6 gph that gives me 1:35 flight time. I made the tank to the plans without considering the higher fuel consumption of my engine. 16 gallons will give you more flight time than you want. -------- Kevin &quot;Axel&quot; Purtee NX899KP Austin/San Marcos, TX Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389074#38====================== =http://www.map; <http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389074#389074> -M= - The Pietenpol-List Email Forum - http://forums.ma===================


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    Time: 06:20:37 PM PST US
    From: Rick Schreiber <lmforge@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: center section question
    On 11/26/2012 3:05 PM, Don Emch wrote: > > You can keep a nice neat and uniform appearance if you run a capstrip in the location where a rib would be and glue it to the underside of the plywood. It adds a little stiffness to the plywood too. Then drill small holes in the plywood and stitch the fabric to the capstrip/plywood. Keeps it very neat and uniform and I always like the idea of stitching rather than glueing, even if it is on the underside. That's how I did mine... but again, there are many "correct" methods out there. :D > > Don Emch > NX899DE > > Thats exactly what I did Don. It was easy and looks great. Rick Schreiber Valparaiso, IN


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    Time: 07:16:33 PM PST US
    Subject: Kind of OT camera question
    From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com>
    I give quite a few rides and one thing I've been doing lately is holding a camera out to the side and snapping a picture of the passenger. Been getting pretty good at my aim. They seem to really like the pictures and want to have a copy of it. I thought I might try to step it up a little and try to mount a video camera out on the strut. Does anybody know what a decent, small, and inexpensive video camera might be to recommend? Thanks! Don Emch NX899DE P.S. Attached is a shot of my son from our "barnstorming trip" this summer and a shot of my son's teacher later in the summer.... umm, I think he liked his ride. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389088#389088 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/ryan_barnstorming_102.jpg http://forums.matronics.com//files/mr_louk_182.jpg


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    Time: 07:45:34 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Kind of OT camera question
    From: "nightmare" <pauldonahuepilot@yahoo.com>
    Don; thanks for previous response on center section. i would definitely get a gopro. approx 170 degree lens, high def, simple, and extremely good video quality. all my hang gliding buds use them and mount along wing to get almost the whole glider and pilot in video. even myth busters uses them very frequently (tv quality). Paul -------- Paul Donahue Started 8-3-12 do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389090#389090


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    Time: 07:48:46 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Kind of OT camera question
    From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67@gmail.com>
    Don, Have you seen what can be done with a fairly inexpensive gopro rig? It is amazing! Robert Lees put his on Greg Cardinal's piet during the Brodhead fly-in this Summer. Of course it's main function is video, but you can get incredible still pics from the video. You can give your passenger a nice little video of their piet ride. Check out gopro.com. Have you made out your Christmas list for Santa yet?? Greg Bacon On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:16 PM, Don Emch <EmchAir@aol.com> wrote: > > I give quite a few rides and one thing I've been doing lately is holding a > camera out to the side and snapping a picture of the passenger. Been > getting pretty good at my aim. They seem to really like the pictures and > want to have a copy of it. I thought I might try to step it up a little > and try to mount a video camera out on the strut. Does anybody know what a > decent, small, and inexpensive video camera might be to recommend? > > Thanks! > Don Emch > NX899DE > > P.S. Attached is a shot of my son from our "barnstorming trip" this summer > and a shot of my son's teacher later in the summer.... umm, I think he > liked his ride. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389088#389088 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/ryan_barnstorming_102.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/mr_louk_182.jpg > > -- Greg Bacon


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    Time: 08:10:56 PM PST US
    From: "Greg Cardinal" <gcardinal@comcast.net>
    Subject: Re: Kind of OT camera question
    Mr. Bacon mentioned the GoPro. This is from Brodhead giving Ben Markle a ride: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YjSybZNfS4 It took all of 30 seconds to mount the camera on the jury strut and it was ready to go. With a little more thought and creativity with mounting locations and a little editing a person could make some decent ride videos. The newest version of the GoPro looks REALLY nice. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 9:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Kind of OT camera question > > I give quite a few rides and one thing I've been doing lately is holding a > camera out to the side and snapping a picture of the passenger. Been > getting pretty good at my aim. They seem to really like the pictures and > want to have a copy of it. I thought I might try to step it up a little > and try to mount a video camera out on the strut. Does anybody know what > a decent, small, and inexpensive video camera might be to recommend? > > Thanks! > Don Emch > NX899DE > > P.S. Attached is a shot of my son from our "barnstorming trip" this summer > and a shot of my son's teacher later in the summer.... umm, I think he > liked his ride. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389088#389088 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/ryan_barnstorming_102.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/mr_louk_182.jpg > > >


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    Time: 08:52:22 PM PST US
    From: "Gary Boothe" <gboothe5@comcast.net>
    Subject: Kind of OT camera question
    5:39 - The Death Defying High Speed Pass! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Cardinal Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 8:12 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kind of OT camera question --> <gcardinal@comcast.net> Mr. Bacon mentioned the GoPro. This is from Brodhead giving Ben Markle a ride: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YjSybZNfS4 It took all of 30 seconds to mount the camera on the jury strut and it was ready to go. With a little more thought and creativity with mounting locations and a little editing a person could make some decent ride videos. The newest version of the GoPro looks REALLY nice. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Emch" <EmchAir@aol.com> Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 9:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Kind of OT camera question > > I give quite a few rides and one thing I've been doing lately is holding a > camera out to the side and snapping a picture of the passenger. Been > getting pretty good at my aim. They seem to really like the pictures and > want to have a copy of it. I thought I might try to step it up a little > and try to mount a video camera out on the strut. Does anybody know what > a decent, small, and inexpensive video camera might be to recommend? > > Thanks! > Don Emch > NX899DE > > P.S. Attached is a shot of my son from our "barnstorming trip" this summer > and a shot of my son's teacher later in the summer.... umm, I think he > liked his ride. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389088#389088 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/ryan_barnstorming_102.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/mr_louk_182.jpg > > >


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    Time: 09:10:38 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Greg Bacon's progress
    From: Greg Bacon <gbacon67@gmail.com>
    Mike, Thanks for your kind words. I appreciate it. Since you asked, I took a few pics this evening. See attached. Although progress has stalled a bit recently due to deer hunting season and Thanksgiving, I did actually move the ball forward by getting the wing struts powder coated this month. They look phenomenal, and for $12 each, it was a bargain. The wing and CS are both covered and awaiting UV and finished paint coats. The light at the end of the tunnel is in sight! I also included pics of the aileron cable penetrations, because I thought it was worth sharing. Except for widening the CS, I'm attempting to duplicate John Dilatush's work in order to have closely matching wing panels. John modified the inspection plate for the bottom aileron penetration. This is cool because it gives nice access to the pulleys and top cable. Does anyone know if this is John's idea, or have others done this? There is a fair amount of work to be done on the fuselage prior to flying; new bungees, replace gas lines, clean gas tank, fix flat tire, change oil, install new battery, and a few other tasks. I'm sure some other things will pop up to. Will keep you posted. Greg Bacon NX114D (Mountain Piet) On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 5:27 PM, Cuy, Michael D. (GRC-RXD0)[Vantage Partners, LLC] <michael.d.cuy@nasa.gov> wrote: > Greg-you are doing some fine looking work and I like your priorities with > your basement drywalled but**** > > not completely finished=97yet you=92re working on the Piet. You got it right > J! **** > > ** ** > > If you have any other progress photos I for one would be happy if you > shared them with us. Perhaps you=92ve**** > > already got a Chris Tracy Westcoast Piet web site photo bunch entered. * > *** > > ** ** > > Mike C.**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > -- Greg Bacon


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    Time: 09:30:37 PM PST US
    From: jorge lizarraga <flightwood@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: center section question
    tanks for the advice Don, just nex days stared put togheter my center secti on ,yesterday finished my last rib 30 all, one nouse and cuple section for those center section ,just tookmy 5month, 4days , 3hours, 15minuts,10secons , 2tick and one tock, but is bery relaxing make aribs and make the time fly ,tanks all you guys, all way frienly help and-talk all your coment, peop le like my need alot .bery soorry for not by so god to these site for send you pictured and chare more stuff but, raly tanks for you help and jope one those days met you for drink coffe and haved long nice talk ,frienly jorge from hanfor,;; note I whished my ducku ugly (my piet ) looks so wonderfull like your did whit your ships realy is a museum pice.=0A=0A=0AFrom: Don Em ch <EmchAir@aol.com>=0ATo: pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Monday, No vember 26, 2012 1:05 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Re: center section quest =0A=0AYou can keep a nice neat and uniform appearance if you run a capstrip in the location where a rib would be and glue it to the underside of the p lywood.- It adds a little stiffness to the plywood too.- Then drill sma ll holes in the plywood and stitch the fabric to the capstrip/plywood.- K eeps it very neat and uniform and I always like the idea of stitching rathe r than glueing, even if it is on the underside.- That's how I did mine... but again, there are many "correct" methods out there.- :D =0A=0ADon Emc h=0ANX899DE=0A=0A=0A=0A=0ARead this topic online here:=0A=0Ahttp://forums.m =


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    Time: 10:38:06 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: Greg Bacon's progress
    From: "K5YAC" <hangar10@cox.net>
    Appears to be. He apparently replied to your thread on the center section to include some photos. I don't see it either. -------- Mark Chouinard Wings, Center Section and Empannage and Fuse framed up - Working on Landing Gear Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389097#389097




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