---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 11/27/12: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 09:51 AM - Make Sure You're Listed! List of Contributors Coming in December! (Matt Dralle) 1. 04:33 AM - Re: Kind of OT camera question (helspersew@aol.com) 2. 04:33 AM - Re: Kind of OT camera question (Don Emch) 3. 05:07 AM - GoPro - camera mount infomation (Greg Bacon) 4. 07:15 AM - Re: A good Day (Michael Perez) 5. 07:28 AM - Re: Greg Bacon's progress (Michael Perez) 6. 07:48 AM - Re: Greg Bacon's progress (C N Campbell) 7. 08:12 AM - Re: A good Day (Frank Metcalfe) 8. 08:13 AM - Rib Stitching (Gary Boothe) 9. 08:21 AM - Re: A good Day (Jack Phillips) 10. 09:13 AM - Re: Greg Bacon's progress (Michael Perez) 11. 09:23 AM - Re: Rib Stitching (Michael Perez) 12. 10:00 AM - Re: Rib Stitching (Jack Phillips) 13. 11:00 AM - Re: Greg Bacon's progress (Gmail) 14. 11:12 AM - Re: Rib Stitching (Michael Perez) 15. 11:44 AM - Re: Re: Throttle Cable Routing for Stromberg on A65 (John Egan) 16. 03:39 PM - Greg Bacon's progress (Oscar Zuniga) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 09:51:47 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Pietenpol-List: Make Sure You're Listed! 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Don't forget to include a little comment about how the Lists have helped you! Thank you! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:33:51 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kind of OT camera question From: helspersew@aol.com The strut and nose shots were taken by a GoPro in this vid from two summers ago http://youtu.be/MiLcMV7N8r0 Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Gary Boothe Sent: Mon, Nov 26, 2012 10:52 pm Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Kind of OT camera question 5:39 - The Death Defying High Speed Pass! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Greg Cardinal Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 8:12 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Kind of OT camera question --> Mr. Bacon mentioned the GoPro. This is from Brodhead giving Ben Markle a ride: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YjSybZNfS4 It took all of 30 seconds to mount the camera on the jury strut and it was ready to go. With a little more thought and creativity with mounting locations and a little editing a person could make some decent ride videos. The newest version of the GoPro looks REALLY nice. Greg Cardinal ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Emch" Sent: Monday, November 26, 2012 9:16 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Kind of OT camera question > > I give quite a few rides and one thing I've been doing lately is holding a > camera out to the side and snapping a picture of the passenger. Been > getting pretty good at my aim. They seem to really like the pictures and > want to have a copy of it. I thought I might try to step it up a little > and try to mount a video camera out on the strut. Does anybody know what > a decent, small, and inexpensive video camera might be to recommend? > > Thanks! > Don Emch > NX899DE > > P.S. Attached is a shot of my son from our "barnstorming trip" this summe r > and a shot of my son's teacher later in the summer.... umm, I think he > liked his ride. > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389088#389088 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/ryan_barnstorming_102.jpg > http://forums.matronics.com//files/mr_louk_182.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:33:51 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Kind of OT camera question From: "Don Emch" Thanks guys! It looks like I need to check out the GoPro. Greg, I can't believe how steady the camera is throughout that video. Either your airplane has turbine smoothness or that camera just doesn't pick up the vibrations. Very nice! Yep, might need to rethink the Santa list. Don Emch NX899DE Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389104#389104 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:07:57 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: GoPro - camera mount infomation From: Greg Bacon Pieters - See the forwarded email from Robert Lees. He introduced me (and many others) to the GoPro camera. For those of you who haven't met him, Robert almost always makes the Brodhead gatherings. He has an awesome Taylorcraft that he restored. He's a super nice bloke from the UK. By the way, you can only see his youtube vids through the link below. You will not find them by youtube search. His vids are unlisted or something like that. Greg Bacon NX114D (Mountain Piet) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Robert Lees Subject: Re: Hello Robert! Cc: Greg Cardinal Hi Greg (& Greg!) Thanks for the compliment; it was a lot of work at the time, but you'll know all about that! For my wingtip camera, I have a similar set-up to what you describe. Two threaded inserts that are affixed to my wingtip bow. To these, I bolt a 6-foot long aluminium tube (about 1-1/2 inch diameter) with the bolts simply going through two holes drilled through the tube. This is the result: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLP9YUvkARM The fore-and-aft views are with the GoPro stuck to the skylight with the rubber sucker. I now use a piece of neutral density film (filter) in the lens to get rid of those awful prop artifacts. I have lots of other ideas, including an old mount that I used 15 years ago for an old still camera that put the camera about 12 inches below the wingtip, which had the following result back then: http://www.taylorcraft.org.uk/N%20Norway2.jpg and http://www.taylorcraft.org.uk/brey_final_for_hFest.jpg A lot is up to your own imagination! Good to hear from you, and no, that wasn't me in your 2004 photo, although I could see why you thought it might. Best regards, Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: Greg Bacon Sent: 10/12/12 02:13 PM Subject: Hello Robert! Hi Robert, I just visited your web site to get your email address. G-BREY looks incredible. Your restoration looks absolutely awesome. No doubt your aircraft is BETTER than new. Mtn Piet wing rebuild is going well. Since our trip to Brodhead this Summer, the girls want me to get her flying soon. As such, I've made a lot of progress. Just last night, I finished rib stitching and applied most of the rib finish tape (see photo). I would like your advice on this. I strengthened the wingtip bow to facilitate the wing rotator. The rotator is secured with 5/16 inch all-thread. I heard you say something to Greg Cardinal about mounting your GoPro camera on some kind of fixture at the end of the wing for a better camera view. This gave me the wonderful idea of using the wing rotator attach points for securing a camera mount. I'm leaving in the blind nuts and plan to fill the holes with nylon bolts. The attach points are 24 inches apart. What are your recommendations for a camera mount/fixture? What is the best location for the camera (centered and below the wing, extended forward of leading edge, etc)? Or, should I fabricate a mount with multiple camera locations. I appreciate your input and ideas. Cheers! Greg -- Greg Bacon -- Greg Bacon ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:15:17 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A good Day This time of year is my favorite for many reasons...including the time off from work and building the plane. Once again I will be- having Aero Fest; my build marathon over the Christmas holiday. The plan is to cover the win gs...maybe start painting them. The area you live in is fantastic...great place to fly. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com =0A ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:28:27 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Greg Bacon's progress I always love to see "in work" photos. Most times I see things that are different and make me consider different approaches to building. I do have a question Greg: the inspection cover shot...it appears to me that there is no plastic re-enforcement ring around where the cover sits. It looks like there was just a fabric "doubler" installed and no plastic ring. Everything looks real nice. I will be starting the covering of my wings...NOT looking forward to rib stitching! Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:27 AM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Greg Bacon's progress Michael, rib stitching is not really that bad. Just use one of your kids (or wife) to position him/her self on the other side of the wing to return the needle to you so that you don't have to either walk around to the other side or turn the wing over to complete the stitch. My wife helped me when I recovered the Piper Tripacer. I used Ceconite 102 and the whole dope routine on it. The Stewart system had not made the news at that time (possibly didn't exist). Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Perez To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 10:28 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Greg Bacon's progress I always love to see "in work" photos. Most times I see things that are different and make me consider different approaches to building. I do have a question Greg: the inspection cover shot...it appears to me that there is no plastic re-enforcement ring around where the cover sits. It looks like there was just a fabric "doubler" installed and no plastic ring. Everything looks real nice. I will be starting the covering of my wings...NOT looking forward to rib stitching! Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:12:24 AM PST US From: Frank Metcalfe Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A good Day Good video ...=C2- did you see the deer that that ran behind you when you taxi in ....=C2-=C2- Cool !! --- On Mon, 11/26/12, Jack Phillips wrote: From: Jack Phillips Subject: Pietenpol-List: A good Day Had a chance to fly both airplanes =93 my Pietenpol and my RV-4 today .=C2- 63=C2=B0 and calm winds, which is a far cry from the high of 42=C2 =B0 they are forecasting for tomorrow.=C2- This time of year I try to fly the Pietenpol every day that I can with warm temperatures.=C2- Very nice flying above Smith Mountain Lake , a beautiful lake surrounded by the Blue Ridge Mountains .=C2- Here=99s a video shot by a friend of mine as I took him and his wife flying in my plane a couple of years ago.=C2- I think I posted this a couple of years ago but some of the newer builders mi ght enjoy this as inspiration for the coming winter (prime building) months .. =C2- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5HZGq0YZ2Y =C2- Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake , Virginia ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:13:21 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Rib Stitching Rib stitching is to be rejoiced! It's a rite of passage!...and it's not all that bad. My son helped with wing #1, but the 2nd wing I did by myself.8 hrs!...a good opportunity to reflect on the slowy goodness of Pietenpols. Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 7:28 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Greg Bacon's progress I always love to see "in work" photos. Most times I see things that are different and make me consider different approaches to building. I do have a question Greg: the inspection cover shot...it appears to me that there is no plastic re-enforcement ring around where the cover sits. It looks like there was just a fabric "doubler" installed and no plastic ring. Everything looks real nice. I will be starting the covering of my wings...NOT looking forward to rib stitching! Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:21:58 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: A good Day Unfortunately, deer are very common on the airport here. A couple of weeks ago I was giving some instruction in a DiamondStar DA-40 and just as we landed 5 deer ran across the runway right in front of us. We were too fast to stop, but too slow to takeoff again. We miseed the last of the 5 by less than a foot. I now have a treestand up near the runway and spend a couple of hours a day up in that stand with a compound bow. A friend got one last week with a crossbow, but I have not gotten a shot yet. Too many houses close by to hunt with a gun. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Frank Metcalfe Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 11:12 AM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: A good Day Good video ... did you see the deer that that ran behind you when you taxi in .... Cool !! --- On Mon, 11/26/12, Jack Phillips wrote: From: Jack Phillips Subject: Pietenpol-List: A good Day Had a chance to fly both airplanes ' my Pietenpol and my RV-4 today. 63=B0 and calm winds, which is a far cry from the high of 42=B0 they are forecasting for tomorrow. This time of year I try to fly the Pietenpol every day that I can with warm temperatures. Very nice flying above Smith Mountain Lake , a beautiful lake surrounded by the Blue Ridge Mountains . Here=92s a video shot by a friend of mine as I took him and his wife flying in my plane a couple of years ago. I think I posted this a couple of years ago but some of the newer builders might enjoy this as inspiration for the coming winter (prime building) months. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5HZGq0YZ2Y Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake , Virginia ollow target=_blank>www.aeroelectric.com /" rel=nofollow target=_blank>www.buildersbooks.com ofollow target=_blank>www.homebuilthelp.com llow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution " rel=nofollow target=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List et=_blank>http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:47 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Greg Bacon's progress I guess once I get a system down and a routine, it won't be so bad.- Stil l, I'll be glad when it is done! Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com =0A ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:23:22 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Stitching When doing something for the first time, it is quite enjoyable. But I am no t a fan of repetitive work. Building my first few ribs was cool, but after rib number 4 or so, I had my fill and was ready to do something else.- Sa me with stitching the tail surfaces...after I had my first surface stitched , I was ready to move on. really wasn't in the mood to do the stitching on the others. I just envisioned the wings, with all their ribs and each rib w ith all it's stitches and knots and feeding the needle through one side and back, (alone)... If I can get a wing done by myself in 8 hrs., I will be very, very pleased! I just assumed it would take days. My plan is to start this process over my Christmas build-fest, not sure I'l l be ready by then. I am currently working on the cockpit padding/trim...I also need to cover/paint the center section... Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com =0A ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:00:10 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Rib Stitching Working by myself it took me about 12 hours per wing to rib-lace. I did the first wing in one day. On the second wing I spaced it out over 3 days. I found it very satisfying. Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Michael Perez Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2012 12:23 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Rib Stitching When doing something for the first time, it is quite enjoyable. But I am not a fan of repetitive work. Building my first few ribs was cool, but after rib number 4 or so, I had my fill and was ready to do something else. Same with stitching the tail surfaces...after I had my first surface stitched, I was ready to move on. really wasn't in the mood to do the stitching on the others. I just envisioned the wings, with all their ribs and each rib with all it's stitches and knots and feeding the needle through one side and back, (alone)... If I can get a wing done by myself in 8 hrs., I will be very, very pleased! I just assumed it would take days. My plan is to start this process over my Christmas build-fest, not sure I'll be ready by then. I am currently working on the cockpit padding/trim...I also need to cover/paint the center section... Michael Perez Pietenpol HINT Videos Karetaker Aero www.karetakeraero.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:00:50 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Greg Bacon's progress From: Gmail Mike, The plastic reinforcing ring is there. It is under the plate. And rib stitching was a source of anxiety for me before doing it. But it wa sn't that bad. In fact, it brought the whole family into the project. Greg On Nov 27, 2012, at 9:28 AM, Michael Perez wrote: > > I always love to see "in work" photos. Most times I see things that are di fferent and make me consider different approaches to building. > > I do have a question Greg: the inspection cover shot...it appears to me th at there is no plastic re-enforcement ring around where the cover sits. It l ooks like there was just a fabric "doubler" installed and no plastic ring. > > Everything looks real nice. I will be starting the covering of my wings... NOT looking forward to rib stitching! > > Michael Perez > Pietenpol HINT Videos > Karetaker Aero > www.karetakeraero.com > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 11:12:16 AM PST US From: Michael Perez Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Rib Stitching I am feeling better about it now. I know some of the other aspects of the b uild that I was not looking forward too...like the wood landing gear...actu ally ended up more satisfying then I thought and was not as big of a hassle as I had envisioned.- My other hang up is the engine cowling work...as s oon as I make the exhaust. Michael Perez =0APietenpol HINT Videos =0AKaretaker Aero =0Awww.karetakeraero.com =0A ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:44:10 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Throttle Cable Routing for Stromberg on A65 From: John Egan <1smilingmoon@gmail.com> To finish up the throttle attachment question I had - regarding a method to attach Bowden style throttle cales, I found a photo I took at Brodhead last summer of a nice engine installation on a Hatz. I beleive the blue cable clamp in the photo is a "Cable Safe No Slip Grip" Aircraft Spruce part no 05-16250 (see attached photo). They also sell a similar grip as the one shown in the photo. ACS also sells a collet style solid wire fitting to attach a threaded fork end if desired on the wire end of the cable, but I think I'll try to use a "B-Nut" on each end (not the type of b-nut that they sell in local hardware stores, but the aircraft style b-nut as it looks a little better). So I ordered a couple of these cable clamps and a b-nut today. Thanks for the input every one. John starting to get get cold in the shop in Wisconsin... On Fri, Nov 23, 2012 at 4:19 PM, John Egan <1smilingmoon@gmail.com> wrote: > Thanks Oscar, > > I did look at your web site prior to posting my question as you have some > good information for us builders. I looked at the engine on the motor > mount today, and it appears to me that I could use the double Adel clamp > method you describe, as my "X" brace tubing for the motor mount crosses the > path of the throttle cable in about the correct place. I'll plan on fixing > the cable at the tubing in this location. > > Thank you, > > john e. > > On Wed, Nov 21, 2012 at 11:49 AM, taildrags wrote: > >> >> John: take a look at the last two photos here: >> >> http://www.flysquirrel.net/piets/engine/A75.html >> >> This is how Scout is rigged, and the way you describe the routing is >> precisely the way I have it. I'm sorry that the photos don't show where or >> how the cable is secured along the way, but I know that it is secured in at >> least one place and I used the double Adel clamp method that is shown in >> Tony's book. One clamp is on one of the tubes of the engine mount, and >> then a second clamp (bolted to the first) clamps the throttle cable. >> >> -------- >> Oscar Zuniga >> Medford, OR >> Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" >> A75 power >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=388535#388535 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:39:44 PM PST US From: Oscar Zuniga Subject: Pietenpol-List: Greg Bacon's progress Greg: when I was in the rebuild of my airplane=2C I started out with a looo onnnggg list of 'to-do' items and each time I'd go out to the hangar and wo rk on it=2C another item or two got scratched off but I'd find myself addin g a new item or two that I wanted to get done. Pretty soon I would condens e and reorganize the old scratched-out list onto a clean paper=2C add new i tems that came up=2C and keep going that way. At some point=2C I decided t o go through the list and put a bullet next to items that I considered to b e essential to safety of flight. Amazing... there were only about a half-d ozen. Of those=2C only two were really essential to me firing up the engin e and ground-testing systems=2C so in another two weekends I got to hear th e engine run! I was able to check out my fuel system=2C ignition systems =2C instrument readings=2C and other items- and if I would have had access to fish scales=2C I could have even checked static thrust. Things progress ed with much more enthusiasm from then on=2C and I was able to take my time with quite a few items on the list *after* return to flight and the joys t hat it brings. The moral of the story is=2C don't push the safety envelope just so you can get flying=2C but recognize that you may be closer to testing than you thi nk. Oscar Zuniga Medford=2C Oregon hangar T6 Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.