---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 12/02/12: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:11 AM - New Group Member Introduction (hdr0614) 2. 07:26 AM - Re: New Group Member Introduction (Gary Boothe) 3. 07:33 AM - Re: New Group Member Introduction (echobravo4) 4. 07:34 AM - Re: New Group Member Introduction (gliderx5@comcast.net) 5. 11:43 AM - Re: Piet ski flying (taildrags) 6. 02:04 PM - Re: New Group Member Introduction (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 7. 02:43 PM - Re: New Group Member Introduction (C N Campbell) 8. 05:19 PM - Re: New Group Member Introduction (RAMPEYBOY@aol.com) 9. 05:23 PM - Airspeed Indicators (C N Campbell) 10. 05:36 PM - Re: Airspeed Indicators (Andre Abreu) 11. 05:43 PM - Re: Airspeed Indicators (John Francis) 12. 05:55 PM - Re: Re: Airspeed Indicators (Ryan Mueller) 13. 06:34 PM - Well as you know its that time of year once again, do I have to tell ya? (AMsafetyC@aol.com) 14. 06:37 PM - Worthy cause (Bill Church) 15. 07:21 PM - Re: Re: Airspeed Indicators (Andre Abreu) 16. 09:05 PM - Re: GoPro - camera mount infomation (Mark Roberts) 17. 09:20 PM - Re: Re: Airspeed Indicators (Gary Boothe) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:24 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Group Member Introduction From: "hdr0614" Good Morning: I'd like to take the time to introduce myself to the group as a new Pietenpol Air Camper, builder. I have taken on the last Piet that Len McClain, of West Chester had started; my local EAA Chapter 321, Reading had informed me of the project, and the desire of the builder to sell it to someone that would finish the project. It was through the careful, persistant direction of Paul DiMascio, I was pointed in the direction of the Piet. Paul, is a Piet owner, and very experienced builder. We have more then the Piet in common, we have also each built the Mustang designed by Bob Bushby. While my knowledge in wood and fabric is limited to helping others, I am positive with the networking skills I have, I will finish Mr. McClain's Piet as he envisioned the project. My Mustang II, N657HR, now flies in Australia; last year, I sold the plane due to my inability to hold on to my medical. Cancer and the FAA do not play well together, and it became a huge game of hoops.....the kind each of us have jumped through at one time in of life. So the LSA arena is where I will finish out my flying. Looking forward to meeting each of you at your yearly gathering in Brodhead, WI. Herb Rose Sacramento, PA -------- HD Rose Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389700#389700 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/out_to_sentimental_journey_klhv_06172010_001_663.jpg ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:55 AM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: New Group Member Introduction Herb, Welcome to this fine group! I love the idea that you are finishing a previously started project! We require pictures. Also, what are your thoughts for a powerplant, landing gear...paint scheme? I hear black & yellow is popular back east! Gary Boothe NX308MB -----Original Message----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of hdr0614 Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 7:11 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Group Member Introduction Good Morning: I'd like to take the time to introduce myself to the group as a new Pietenpol Air Camper, builder. I have taken on the last Piet that Len McClain, of West Chester had started; my local EAA Chapter 321, Reading had informed me of the project, and the desire of the builder to sell it to someone that would finish the project. It was through the careful, persistant direction of Paul DiMascio, I was pointed in the direction of the Piet. Paul, is a Piet owner, and very experienced builder. We have more then the Piet in common, we have also each built the Mustang designed by Bob Bushby. While my knowledge in wood and fabric is limited to helping others, I am positive with the networking skills I have, I will finish Mr. McClain's Piet as he envisioned the project. My Mustang II, N657HR, now flies in Australia; last year, I sold the plane due to my inability to hold on to my medical. Cancer and the FAA do not play well together, and it became a huge game of hoops.....the kind each of us have jumped through at one time in of life. So the LSA arena is where I will finish out my flying. Looking forward to meeting each of you at your yearly gathering in Brodhead, WI. Herb Rose Sacramento, PA -------- HD Rose Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389700#389700 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/out_to_sentimental_journey_klhv_06172010_ 001_663.jpg ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:06 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: New Group Member Introduction From: "echobravo4" Welcome aboard Herb! It was great to meet you yesterday- post up some picts your new project when ya get the chance Earl -------- Earl Brown I may not have gone where I intended to go, but I think I have ended up where I intended to be. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389702#389702 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:36 AM PST US From: gliderx5@comcast.net Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Group Member Introduction Herb Welcome to the group. I'm not too far away from you. I try to get to local fly-ins and such (in the Tornado since the Piet is not done yet). Perhaps I'll see you at one. Good luck with the project and keep us posted on your progress. Malcolm Morrison http://home.comcast.net/~mmorrison123/Airplanes.htm ----- Original Message ----- From: "hdr0614" Sent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 10:10:54 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Group Member Introduction Good Morning: I'd like to take the time to introduce myself to the group as a new Pietenpol Air Camper, builder. I have taken on the last Piet that Len McClain, of West Chester had started; my local EAA Chapter 321, Reading had informed me of the project, and the desire of the builder to sell it to someone that would finish the project. It was through the careful, persistant direction of Paul DiMascio, I was pointed in the direction of the Piet. Paul, is a Piet owner, and very experienced builder. We have more then the Piet in common, we have also each built the Mustang designed by Bob Bushby. While my knowledge in wood and fabric is limited to helping others, I am positive with the networking skills I have, I will finish Mr. McClain's Piet as he envisioned the project. My Mustang II, N657HR, now flies in Australia; last year, I sold the plane due to my inability to hold on to my medical. Cancer and the FAA do not play well together, and it became a huge game of hoops.....the kind each of us have jumped through at one time in of life. So the LSA arena is where I will finish out my flying. Looking forward to meeting each of you at your yearly gathering in Brodhead, WI. Herb Rose Sacramento, PA -------- HD Rose Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389700#389700 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/out_to_sentimental_journey_klhv_06172010_001_663.jpg ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:43:50 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Piet ski flying From: "taildrags" That photo is one of the best Piet pictures I've ever seen, and VERY unique! Fabulous. Ol' 626 has about as close to zero dihedral in the wings as my eyes can discern. -------- Oscar Zuniga Medford, OR Air Camper NX41CC "Scout" A75 power Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389706#389706 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:04:03 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Group Member Introduction After much coaxing, and a hangar visit this weekend we finally got Herb to say hello. I met Herb a few years ago while looking for a Tech Counselor to give my build a look a Herb drove a considerable distance to do that, and has been a help ever since. It was great seeing him lately and learning of his new project and now a member of our group. Herb is a great resource and brings a friendly attitude and high skill level with him. I am privileged to have known him for as long as I have and welcome him to the best group of aviation friends I have known. I know Herb will bring as many answers as he does questions along to the group as he continues his project. We look forward to having him at Brodhead as soon as he decides to put tail numbers, names and faces together. Welcome Herb. You re gonna love this group and the build process of your new Piet, its a different group and a different bird than the go fast guys and its not button pushing either. So welcome to the adventure! John ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:43:21 PM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Group Member Introduction Welcome aboard, Herb. I know how you feel. It wasn't too long ago that I was the "newby". I've learned a lot from the group and they have been very gentle with me -- with a few exceptions. Good to have you in the group. Chuck Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "hdr0614" Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 10:10 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: New Group Member Introduction > > Good Morning: > > I'd like to take the time to introduce myself to the group as a new > Pietenpol Air Camper, builder. I have taken on the last Piet that Len > McClain, of West Chester had started; my local EAA Chapter 321, Reading > had informed me of the project, and the desire of the builder to sell it > to someone that would finish the project. It was through the careful, > persistant direction of Paul DiMascio, I was pointed in the direction of > the Piet. Paul, is a Piet owner, and very experienced builder. We have > more then the Piet in common, we have also each built the Mustang designed > by Bob Bushby. > > While my knowledge in wood and fabric is limited to helping others, I am > positive with the networking skills I have, I will finish Mr. McClain's > Piet as he envisioned the project. > > My Mustang II, N657HR, now flies in Australia; last year, I sold the plane > due to my inability to hold on to my medical. Cancer and the FAA do not > play well together, and it became a huge game of hoops.....the kind each > of us have jumped through at one time in of life. So the LSA arena is > where I will finish out my flying. > > Looking forward to meeting each of you at your yearly gathering in > Brodhead, WI. > > Herb Rose > Sacramento, PA > > -------- > HD Rose > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389700#389700 > > > Attachments: > > http://forums.matronics.com//files/out_to_sentimental_journey_klhv_06172010_001_663.jpg > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:19 PM PST US From: RAMPEYBOY@aol.com Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: New Group Member Introduction Herb, you puttin a 200 horse Lyc on it? haha, I have been a long time lurker of the group, and have always fancied the idea of owning a Pietenpol. That is of course if I ever finish MY Mustang! Boyce In a message dated 12/2/2012 11:06:46 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, hdr0614@hotmail.com writes: --> Pietenpol-List message posted by: "hdr0614" Good Morning: I'd like to take the time to introduce myself to the group as a new Pietenpol Air Camper, builder. I have taken on the last Piet that Len McClain, of West Chester had started; my local EAA Chapter 321, Reading had informed me of the project, and the desire of the builder to sell it to someone that would finish the project. It was through the careful, persistant direction of Paul DiMascio, I was pointed in the direction of the Piet. Paul, is a Piet owner, and very experienced builder. We have more then the Piet in common, we have also each built the Mustang designed by Bob Bushby. While my knowledge in wood and fabric is limited to helping others, I am positive with the networking skills I have, I will finish Mr. McClain's Piet as he envisioned the project. My Mustang II, N657HR, now flies in Australia; last year, I sold the plane due to my inability to hold on to my medical. Cancer and the FAA do not play well together, and it became a huge game of hoops.....the kind each of us have jumped through at one time in of life. So the LSA arena is where I will finish out my flying. Looking forward to meeting each of you at your yearly gathering in Brodhead, WI. Herb Rose Sacramento, PA -------- HD Rose Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389700#389700 Attachments: http://forums.matronics.com//files/out_to_sentimental_journey_klhv_06172010_ 001_663.jpg ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:23:04 PM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airspeed Indicators I'm doing this at the suggestion of Ryan Mueller. I need to aquire an airspeed indicator in the 0-to-80 or 120 MPH (maximum) range. I have priced the UMA at Aircraft Spruce at $168.95, the UMA at Chief Aircraft at $162, and the Falcon at Aircraft Spruce at $158. I just wonder if anyone on the list has any knowledge of the Falcon gauge. Ryan says he doesn't know anything about it. All the gauges are available in 0-80 MPH, 0-100 MPH, and 0-120 MPH. Any of you actual Piet pilots have any comments on any of these gauges? I would appreciate any input. Chuck ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:10 PM PST US From: Andre Abreu Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Airspeed Indicators Cheap airspeed indicators I have had luck with.=0ACheap altimeters have bee n hit and miss.=0A=0AAndy Abreu=0A6816L=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A_____________________ ___________=0A From: C N Campbell =0ATo: pietenp ol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Sunday, December 2, 2012 8:22 PM=0ASubject: Pietenpol-List: Airspeed Indicators=0A =0A=0A =0AI'm doing this at the sugg estion of Ryan =0AMueller.- I need to aquire an airspeed indicator in the 0-to-80 or 120 MPH =0A(maximum) range.- I have priced the UMA at Aircraf t Spruce at $168.95, the =0AUMA at Chief Aircraft at $162, and the Falcon a t Aircraft Spruce at $158.- =0AI just wonder if anyone on the list has an y knowledge of the Falcon gauge.- =0ARyan says he doesn't know anything a bout it.- All the gauges are available =0Ain 0-80 MPH, 0-100 MPH, and 0-1 20 MPH.- Any of you actual Piet pilots have =0Aany comments on any of the ==== ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 05:43:02 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Airspeed Indicators From: "John Francis" I have the same question. Recently on William Wynne's website he said this" Be aware that low-cost instruments like Falcon have been made in China for the last 15 years and they are junk. You are far better off buying used stuff that still has OEM Cessna stickers on it, or some other marking that IDs it as a domestic product." John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389716#389716 ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:55:19 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Airspeed Indicators From: Ryan Mueller +1 for UMA, they are made in the USA: http://www.umainstruments.com/ On Sun, Dec 2, 2012 at 7:42 PM, John Francis wrote: > > I have the same question. Recently on William Wynne's website he said > this" Be aware that low-cost instruments like =93Falcon=94 have been made in > China for the last 15 years and they are junk. You are far better off > buying used stuff that still has OEM Cessna stickers on it, or some other > marking that ID=92s it as a domestic product." > > John > > -------- > John Francis > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389716#389716 > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:34:15 PM PST US From: AMsafetyC@aol.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Well as you know its that time of year once again, do I have to tell ya? It is hardly avoidable that when leaves are frozen to the ground and every piece of metal is so cold that each you touch sticks to your skin with little chance of releasing. It a similar bond to that of the West systems epoxy to wood, you pull it apart and the and the joint remains as the wood fiber remains on one side or the other. Same thing you pull the metal away and you're gonna leave some skin on the metal, funny thing about that bond the metal doesn't sacrifice without a fight and skin always looses. Now, I'm kinda tired of the winter routine of freezing my donkey off in a dark cold hangar and accomplishing nothing. The airport as you know is in the anti heat business and the last time faced with this predicament. They sent me an eviction letter. It seems that the definition of open flame escapes their technological comprehension. The thing to remember is they run the airport so my opinion and or professional expertise come in at a close last to what they think. Right or wrong they are in charge and so goes the logic or lack there of. So I've decided to take Dan Helsper and others at their word and attempt to carve my prop this winter during the famed and feared one and only annual, you guessed it, Buildapalooza!!! Dan and others swear by the process as something that anyone can do. To remedy the entire freeze your ass off part I'm moving back to my old semi subterranean shop where the heat works and no airport BS, what a concept, un bridled, un encumbered work sessions! Now comes your part. I'm looking for the best prop configuration for a Lycoming C1B 0235 powered Piet. I'm looking for dimensions and pitch numbers for best climb performance and any templates and gauges I might be able to borrow through this process. I have been considering a 72X44 but if there's a better one out there I would prefer to use that configuration Naturally I would prefer Dan build it but that's not gonna be a happening thing. So its back to the basement for warmth and prop construction as we begin this years BUILDAPALOOZA with prop making under the direction of Dan. Anyone willing to provide information, time, money , wood, adhesive to the project or just an entire prop finished and ready to go would be welcomed and because of my magnanimous personality and generosity you'll even have a chance to boast about the contribution to my slow moving project. Well here's hoping that everyone has a great December and makes great progress much sawdust and remember if its not a BUILDAPALOOZA its just not a happening thing Sorry to say the builders block has been significant this year with little progress and accomplishment. A word to the wise build with great diligence for the longer it takes the longer it takes. Be well my friends and thank you in advance for any information contributions and advice you are willing to offer. John Not safe any time anymore, just me! ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:02 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Worthy cause From: "Bill Church" Here's a promotional video, in support of fund-raising for a new home for the Canadian Air and Space Museum, which was recently evicted from its home in one of the old hangars of DeHavilland Canada, where the Chipmunk, Beaver and Otter were born (among other iconic aircraft). What does this have to do with Pietenpols, you ask? Well, this video features actress and Pietenpol owner Michelle Goodeve. There's a bit of footage of her Piet in flight as well. Give it a watch, check out the website and contribute, if you feel so inclined. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rt1mtkSrhqU&feature=player_embedded Bill C. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389719#389719 ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:21:38 PM PST US From: Andre Abreu Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Airspeed Indicators Who really needs an ASI anyway?=C2- Regs say you do, but we should all be able to fly without any dials and gauges.=C2- Good pilot has a good atti tude ... right? :) Andy Abreu N6186L --- On Sun, 12/2/12, John Francis wrote: From: John Francis Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Airspeed Indicators I have the same question.=C2- Recently on William Wynne's=C2- website h e said this" Be aware that low-cost instruments like =9CFalcon =9D have been made in China for the last 15 years and they are junk. You ar e far better off buying used stuff that still has OEM Cessna stickers on it , or some other marking that ID=99s it as a domestic product." John -------- John Francis Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389716#389716 h -- EE Gifts!) on om =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- =C2- -Matt Dralle, List Admin. t S WEB FORUMS - ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:05:43 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: GoPro - camera mount infomation From: "Mark Roberts" Regarding the goPro cameras, another option I went for (with eventual Piet videos in mind) is the Replay HD cameras. They are much smaller and in head to head comparisons, are better picture quality (in my opinion....) I bought 3 of these for a video shoot I did for a corporate video this summer, and loved them. They are super simple to mount, as they are cylinders: just snap into the mount. The output is 1080p and really crisp... I'm not a rep for them, but they don't get the name recognition as GoPro has, because they are newer to the market. Just an FYI for ya'll. Cost the same as the GoPro. Check out at: http://replayxd.com/product/replay-xd1080-video-camera-system/ Mark Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389721#389721 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 09:20:31 PM PST US From: "Gary Boothe" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Re: Airspeed Indicators That must be why everyone groups their primary flight instrumentsso they can dutifully ignore them. J Gary Boothe NX308MB From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andre Abreu Sent: Sunday, December 02, 2012 7:21 PM Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: Airspeed Indicators Who really needs an ASI anyway? Regs say you do, but we should all be able to fly without any dials and gauges. Good pilot has a good attitude ... right? :) Andy Abreu N6186L --- On Sun, 12/2/12, John Francis wrote: From: John Francis Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Airspeed Indicators I have the same question. Recently on William Wynne's website he said this" Be aware that low-cost instruments like =9CFalcon=9D have been made in China for the last 15 years and they are junk. You are far better off buying used stuff that still has OEM Cessna stickers on it, or some other marking that ID=99s it as a domestic product." 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