---------------------------------------------------------- Pietenpol-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 12/04/12: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:29 AM - AN pipe and flair fittings (Jack) 2. 04:38 AM - Re: AN pipe and flair fittings (Gene Rambo) 3. 04:52 AM - Re: AN pipe and flair fittings (Jack Phillips) 4. 05:09 AM - Re: AN pipe and flair fittings (helspersew@aol.com) 5. 09:43 AM - Re: AN pipe and flair fittings (Jack) 6. 09:43 AM - Re: Another day of welding progress on my steel-tube Piet... (aerocarjake) 7. 02:47 PM - Airlion flies again (Gardiner Mason) 8. 02:54 PM - Re: Airlion flies again (Jack Phillips) 9. 03:04 PM - Re: Airlion flies again (Robert Bush) 10. 03:16 PM - Re: Airlion flies again (Gary Boothe) 11. 04:03 PM - Re: Airlion flies again (C N Campbell) 12. 04:36 PM - Re: Airlion flies again (Jim Boyer) 13. 05:24 PM - One piece wing and fuselage hauling. (tools) 14. 05:36 PM - Re: Airlion flies again (Greg Bacon) 15. 07:13 PM - Jeopardy (Baldeagle) 16. 08:19 PM - Re: Jeopardy (John Hofmann) 17. 08:35 PM - Re: Airlion flies again (macz@peak.org) 18. 09:04 PM - Re: Airlion flies again (John Hofmann) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:29:31 AM PST US From: "Jack" Subject: Pietenpol-List: AN pipe and flair fittings Planning my fuels system (so many details-parts) is it best to use the AN aluminum or steel fittings? Thanks, Jack Jack Textor ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:38:46 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: AN pipe and flair fittings From: Gene Rambo Brass. Sent from my iPad On Dec 4, 2012, at 7:33 AM, "Jack" wrote: > Planning my fuels system (so many details-parts) is it best to use the AN a luminum or steel fittings? > > Thanks, > > Jack > > Jack Textor > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:40 AM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: AN pipe and flair fittings The fittings should be matched to the fuel line materials. If you are using aluminum tubing, use aluminum fittings. Be sure if using flared fittings that your flaring tool makes a 37=B0 aircraft flare, rather than the 45=B0 flare used in automotive applications. Flared fittings should not need any sealant. Pipe thread fittings, on the other hand, will leak without some kind of treatment of the threads. DO NOT USE Teflon or pipe dope ' they can get loose and clog your fuel system. The best stuff I=92ve found is called Seal Lube. You can get it from ACS. A can is a lifetime supply. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/sealube.php Good luck! Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 7:29 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: AN pipe and flair fittings Planning my fuels system (so many details-parts) is it best to use the AN aluminum or steel fittings? Thanks, Jack Jack Textor ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:09:11 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: AN pipe and flair fittings From: helspersew@aol.com Jack, If you choose aluminum flared fittings, these seals work great. I replace t hese every time I disconnect/reconnect. No leaks! http://www.aircraftspruce.com/search/search.php?s=flare+seal&x=0&y=0 Dan Helsper Puryear, TN -----Original Message----- From: Jack Phillips Sent: Tue, Dec 4, 2012 6:52 am Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: AN pipe and flair fittings The fittings should be matched to the fuelline materials. If you are using aluminum tubing, use aluminum fittings. Besure if using flared fittings t hat your flaring tool makes a 37=C2=B0 aircraftflare, rather than the 45=C2 =B0 flare used in automotive applications. Flaredfittings should not need any sealant. Pipe thread fittings, on the other hand,will leak without som e kind of treatment of the threads. DO NOT USE Teflon orpipe dope =93 they can get loose and clog your fuel system. The best stuffI=99 ve found is called Seal Lube. You can get it from ACS. A can is alifetime supply. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/cspages/sealube.php Good luck! Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia From:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list- server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 20127:29 AM Subject: Pietenpol-List: AN pipeand flair fittings Planningmy fuels system (so many details-parts) is it best to use the AN al uminum orsteel fittings? Thanks, Jack Jack Textor www.aeroelectric.com www.buildersbooks.com www.homebuilthelp.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Pietenpol-List http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:43:45 AM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: AN pipe and flair fittings From: Jack Thanks guys! Using 3/8 aluminum so will go with aluminum. Boy that sealant i s pricy but looks like a good option. The seals look good too. Planning a ve ry simple system, even so, lots of parts and details! Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Dec 4, 2012, at 6:29 AM, "Jack" wrote: > Planning my fuels system (so many details-parts) is it best to use the AN a luminum or steel fittings? > > Thanks, > > Jack > > Jack Textor > > > > > > Sent from my iPad Jack Textor On Dec 4, 2012, at 6:29 AM, "Jack" wrote: > Planning my fuels system (so many details-parts) is it best to use the AN a luminum or steel fittings? > > Thanks, > > Jack > > Jack Textor > > > > > > ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= ========================== ========= > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:43:53 AM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: Another day of welding progress on my steel-tube Piet... From: "aerocarjake" Thanks, I'll look up that book... I buy the hole saws at a place called Tacoma Screw. They specialize in fasteners (no aircraft) and contractor/industrial supplies.... -------- Jake Schultz - curator, Newport Way Air Museum (OK, it's just my home) Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389823#389823 ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:47:28 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airlion flies again From: Gardiner Mason Today I flew the Airlion after a year and a half of rebuilding. It flies great and now I can paint a smiley face back on the nose. Also I am now a member of the UFO (the United Flying Octogenarians (www.ufopilots.org) for old geezers who have flown as a PIC after their 80th birthday. -Gardiner Mason ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:54:16 PM PST US From: "Jack Phillips" Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Airlion flies again Outstanding, Gardiner! Looks good as ever! Will you be bringing it to Brodhead this summer? Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia _____ From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gardiner Mason Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 5:47 PM Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airlion flies again Today I flew the Airlion after a year and a half of rebuilding. It flies great and now I can paint a smiley face back on the nose. Also I am now a member of the UFO (the United Flying Octogenarians (www.ufopilots.org ) for old geezers who have flown as a PIC after their 80th birthday. -Gardiner Mason ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:04:08 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Airlion flies again From: Robert Bush Congratulations Gardiner. Glad to see you back in the air. The plane looks g reat! Randy Bush NX294RB Sent from my iPhone On Dec 4, 2012, at 4:46 PM, Gardiner Mason wrote: > Today I flew the Airlion after a year and a half of rebuilding. It flies g reat and now I can paint a smiley face back on the nose. Also I am now a mem ber of the UFO (the United Flying Octogenarians (www.ufopilots.org) for old g eezers who have flown as a PIC after their 80th birthday. > > -Gardiner Mason > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 03:16:37 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Airlion flies again From: Gary Boothe Beautiful, Gardiner! Love the colors...and the louvers! Gary Boothe NX308MB Sent from my iPhone On Dec 4, 2012, at 2:46 PM, Gardiner Mason wrote: > Today I flew the Airlion after a year and a half of rebuilding. It flies g reat and now I can paint a smiley face back on the nose. Also I am now a mem ber of the UFO (the United Flying Octogenarians (www.ufopilots.org) for old g eezers who have flown as a PIC after their 80th birthday. > > -Gardiner Mason > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:03:37 PM PST US From: "C N Campbell" Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Airlion flies again Congrats, Gardiner. I hope to be able to join the UFO this coming summer. I had a mild heart attack in 1990 and voluntarily "lost" my medical. So I have never been turned down for a medical. Haven't flown as PIC since. Piet NX10003 should be ready by summer time. I'll get a friend who owns a T-Craft and who holds his instructors rating give me a new BFR to catch me up and then I'll be ready to join the UFO. Don't have any idea how many flights and hours that will take. Just have to wait and see. Can't wait to put full power on the Corvair and go flying. Chills run up my spine just thinking of it. When people see my project they say, "Are you going to fly it?" And I reply, "Has a cat got a long tail?" I have just about everything except the covering supplies to finish up. Just a matter of time. Again, congratulations. Chuck ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Phillips To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 5:53 PM Subject: RE: Pietenpol-List: Airlion flies again Outstanding, Gardiner! Looks good as ever! Will you be bringing it to Brodhead this summer? Jack Phillips NX899JP Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gardiner Mason Sent: Tuesday, December 04, 2012 5:47 PM To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com Subject: Pietenpol-List: Airlion flies again Today I flew the Airlion after a year and a half of rebuilding. It flies great and now I can paint a smiley face back on the nose. Also I am now a member of the UFO (the United Flying Octogenarians (www.ufopilots.org) for old geezers who have flown as a PIC after their 80th birthday. -Gardiner Mason ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:36:32 PM PST US From: Jim Boyer Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Airlion flies again Hi Gardiner, Congratulations on having your Piet in the air again and also for joining the UFO's!!! Your Piet looks good; I don't see color real well but to me it looks blue with orange wings and hor.stabilizer, is that right? The way I'm going I will be a member of the UFO's before I get my PIet flying. Cheers, Jim B. ] ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:24:09 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: One piece wing and fuselage hauling. From: "tools" Finally got our Piet back home. Pondered how to move the one piece wing endlessly until we found the perfect trailer sitting in the weeds at a friend's house. It's made from a 32' bumper towed camper. I've seen similar usable units for sale bunches of times over the years for under a grand. Pretty certain if you found a total junker you could get it for $500 or less. That's more than the average scrap value of one that sized, and probably far less than you could buy the axles ($200 ea new) hubs, tires, metal and decking. The basic trailer is exactly the chord of the wing (5') and about 32' after the tongue. I designed a specialized sawhorse and method of loading not requiring any lifting equipment to get the fuselage over the wing (as the wheel spacing won't straddle it) so that tongue weight can be optimized. Since we used a one ton dually, the 600lbs of tongue weight we had wasn't a problem, so I never got around to building the sawhorse. A similar but less heavy duty sawhorse would also secure the tail, although the method we wound up using worked really really well. The rig made the 400 mile trip with nothing moving, requiring rerigging or getting damaged at all. The wing is set on several large tarps for cushioning and the ratchet straps are run diagonally which spread out the downforce very effectively. Four guys got the wing off effortlessly and set it on the trailer. We then took the trailer off the truck and and rolled the fuse on from the front of the trailer using the 3' or so extra deck space. Without tail feathers or the wing, it's about perfectly neutral on the axle. We used scrap 2x6's to bock the wheels. It took 4 guys about an hour to load it all up, then Scott and I spent another three strapping it all down (figuring the plan as we went). I imagine we could do it now in about two hours total. No lifting equipment was required at all. At normal interstate speeds, nothing shook, rattled or rolled, it all worked out really well. We just borrowed the trailer, but think we're going to be able to buy it, if anyone needs to borrow it to retrieve a plane or move a one piece wing. If the fuse were centered on the trailer (over the wing) a ANY half ton truck could move the unit easily. Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389856#389856 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:48 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Airlion flies again From: Greg Bacon Congratulations Mr. Mason!! Airlion looks great. I've got her photo as my desktop. Greg Bacon NX114D (Mountain Piet) On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 4:46 PM, Gardiner Mason wrote: > Today I flew the Airlion after a year and a half of rebuilding. It flies > great and now I can paint a smiley face back on the nose. Also I am now a > member of the UFO (the United Flying Octogenarians (www.ufopilots.org) > for old geezers who have flown as a PIC after their 80th birthday. > > -Gardiner Mason > -- Greg Bacon ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:13:22 PM PST US Subject: Pietenpol-List: Jeopardy From: "Baldeagle" OK, not Piet related, but probably one of the few places where this might be appreciated. Tonight on Jeopardy they had a category "Four" Letter Words, where each answer (yes, in question form...) had "Four" in it. One of the clues was something like "A deceptive person". I shouted out "Four-flusher!" which of course was the right answer, astonishing my girlfriend, who had never heard of such a thing, and who wanted to know how I knew what it was.... and was inspired to wiki it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_flush - -------- do not archive Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389861#389861 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 08:19:14 PM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Jeopardy Nicely done Marybeth. John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com On Dec 4, 2012, at 9:13 PM, Baldeagle wrote: > > OK, not Piet related, but probably one of the few places where this might be appreciated. Tonight on Jeopardy they had a category "Four" Letter Words, where each answer (yes, in question form...) had "Four" in it. One of the clues was something like "A deceptive person". I shouted out "Four-flusher!" which of course was the right answer, astonishing my girlfriend, who had never heard of such a thing, and who wanted to know how I knew what it was.... > > > and was inspired to wiki it: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_flush > > > - > > -------- > do not archive > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389861#389861 > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:57 PM PST US Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Airlion flies again From: macz@peak.org Gardiner-- It is great to see your plane back together again! Congratulations. --Mac in Oregon > Today I flew the Airlion after a year and a half of rebuilding. It flies > great and now I can paint a smiley face back on the nose. Also I am now a > member of the UFO (the United Flying Octogenarians > (www.ufopilots.org) > for old geezers who have flown as a PIC after their 80th birthday. > > -Gardiner Mason > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:04:38 PM PST US From: John Hofmann Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Airlion flies again Way to go Gardiner! Hope to see you at Brodhead this summer! -john- John Hofmann Vice-President, Information Technology The Rees Group, Inc. 2424 American Lane Madison, WI 53704 Phone: 608.443.2468 ext 150 Fax: 608.443.2474 Email: jhofmann@reesgroupinc.com > > > >> Today I flew the Airlion after a year and a half of rebuilding. It flies >> great and now I can paint a smiley face back on the nose. Also I am now a >> member of the UFO (the United Flying Octogenarians >> (www.ufopilots.org) >> for old geezers who have flown as a PIC after their 80th birthday. >> >> -Gardiner Mason >> > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message pietenpol-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Pietenpol-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/pietenpol-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/pietenpol-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.