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1. 03:30 AM - Re: Think Ahead Builders (helspersew@aol.com)
2. 03:35 AM - Re: Think Ahead Builders (Jack)
3. 07:15 AM - Re: Think Ahead Builders (kevinpurtee)
4. 07:39 AM - Re: Airlion flies again (Dan Yocum)
5. 07:57 AM - buying a hangar (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
6. 08:34 AM - Re: buying a hangar (Gary Boothe)
7. 08:55 AM - Re: buying a hangar (Ken Bickers)
8. 10:31 AM - Re: buying a hangar (Hans van der Voort)
9. 10:32 AM - Re: buying a hangar (Pilot78)
10. 10:36 AM - Wing border near the center section(covering question) (giacummo)
11. 10:50 AM - Re: buying a hangar (dgaldrich)
12. 10:50 AM - Re: buying a hangar (jarheadpilot82)
13. 11:02 AM - Re: buying a hangar (Jack Phillips)
14. 11:16 AM - Re: buying a hangar (dgaldrich)
15. 12:18 PM - Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) (AircamperN11MS)
16. 03:18 PM - Re: Re: buying a hangar (helspersew@aol.com)
17. 03:55 PM - Re: Re: buying a hangar (Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB)
18. 04:13 PM - Re: Re: buying a hangar (Gene Rambo)
19. 04:17 PM - Re: Re: buying a hangar (Andrew Eldredge)
20. 05:40 PM - Re: Think Ahead Builders (taildrags)
21. 05:51 PM - Re: buying a hangar (taildrags)
22. 06:01 PM - forming u shaped brackets (TOM MICHELLE BRANT)
23. 07:09 PM - Re: Re: buying a hangar (Brett Phillips)
24. 07:15 PM - Re: forming u shaped brackets (Greg Cardinal)
25. 10:05 PM - Re: forming u shaped brackets (Chris)
26. 11:16 PM - Re: forming u shaped brackets (shad bell)
27. 11:31 PM - Re: Jeopardy (Clif Dawson)
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Subject: | Re: Think Ahead Builders |
That's why I have two water temp. gauges. The first one I installed on the
"cold" side of the radiator. Duh. I left it there cause it was cool looking
. Now I tell everybody I have two so's I can see the beta of the water temp
. :O)
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: Jack <jack@textors.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 5, 2012 7:35 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Think Ahead Builders
Just a reminder, don't rush, measure, think ahead, plan. Just redid my fuel
selector. Was proud of the install until I realized after drawing out my fu
el
system it was on the wrong side. Moved to the port side and all is good. So
many
interesting details at this stage of the build.
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
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Subject: | Think Ahead Builders |
Well here I go again... Jerry Grogan let me use his big oven to powder coat
my gear legs, thanks Jerry! Just realized I still need to weld the mounts
for brakes!
Jack Textor
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[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2012 7:34 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Think Ahead Builders
Just a reminder, don't rush, measure, think ahead, plan. Just redid my fuel
selector. Was proud of the install until I realized after drawing out my
fuel system it was on the wrong side. Moved to the port side and all is
good. So many interesting details at this stage of the build.
Sent from my iPad
Jack Textor
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Subject: | Re: Think Ahead Builders |
You're the only one who's made that mistake, Jack...
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Kevin "Axel" Purtee
NX899KP
Austin/San Marcos, TX
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Subject: | Re: Airlion flies again |
Good on you, Gardiner!
And, I'll be honest - I think this one looks better'n the last one!
do not archive
On 12/04/2012 04:46 PM, Gardiner Mason wrote:
> Today I flew the Airlion after a year and a half of rebuilding. It flies
> great and now I can paint a smiley face back on the nose. Also I am now
> a member of the UFO (the United Flying Octogenarians (www.ufopilots.org
> <http://www.ufopilots.org>) for old geezers who have flown as a PIC
> after their 80th birthday.
>
> -Gardiner Mason
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Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of hangars
that will be constructed this spring.
It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar. It will
have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it. We are
working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that.
I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane.
Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors, etc?
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Congratulations, Steve! I do have some advice...
Make sure your hangar is built on high ground, thereby discouraging water
from running thru the middle of it, 1" deep, soaking all your carpets and
making your favorite, comfortable chair smell like a wet mattress, meanwhile
the condensation dripping from the roof and your wings, causing you to find
a hangar on dry ground and having to move that entire wet mess, hoping that,
somehow, it'll all dry out before Spring. That would be my advice.
Gary Boothe
NX308MB
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch,
Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:57 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
--> <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of
hangars that will be constructed this spring.
It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar. It
will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it.
We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that.
I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane.
Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors,
etc?
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
Steve, I bought and had built a new hangar about four years ago. It
was the best thing to happen for my Pietenpol project in a long, long
time. A couple of things I figured out after I had mine built.
Lights and electrical outlets. You can't have too much light or too
many outlets.
Also, I don't recall where you live, but that may influence your
decisions. We are in a part of the country that can get quite a lot of
snow (though not this year). The snow seems to melt away much more
quickly on the east-facing side of the hangar, which fortunately is
the side with my door. Also as the snow melts, it tends to slough off
the roof and refreeze into a berm on the ground alongside the
west-side of the hangar. That berm acts as a dam, such that any
snowmelt dripping off the roof has only one place to go -- under the
hangar wall and across the hangar floor. The solution has been a
gutter on the west side of the hangar and religious attention to the
removal of the snow berm as it begins to form.
Finally, a heater and insulation. I haven't insulated my hangar yet.
In retrospect, I wish I had done that before I started filling the
hangar with all kinds of stuff. I do have installed a 220 volt barn
heater that can raise the temperature about 20 degrees above the
outside temperature in the portion of the hangar that serves as my
work area. With insulation, the heater would no doubt be far more
effective. As it is, I'm wasting heat and not getting as much as I'd
like.
Best of luck with yours and congratulations, Ken
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 9:34 AM, Gary Boothe <gboothe5@comcast.net> wrote:
>
> Congratulations, Steve! I do have some advice...
>
> Make sure your hangar is built on high ground, thereby discouraging water
> from running thru the middle of it, 1" deep, soaking all your carpets and
> making your favorite, comfortable chair smell like a wet mattress, meanwhile
> the condensation dripping from the roof and your wings, causing you to find
> a hangar on dry ground and having to move that entire wet mess, hoping that,
> somehow, it'll all dry out before Spring. That would be my advice.
>
> Gary Boothe
> NX308MB
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch,
> Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:57 AM
> To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
>
> --> <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
>
>
> Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of
> hangars that will be constructed this spring.
> It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar. It
> will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it.
> We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that.
>
> I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane.
>
> Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors,
> etc?
>
> Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>
>
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Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
Having a hangar in Texas the best feature is proper insultation to keep the
summer heat out.=0ASecondly door or windows oposing the main hangar door t
o get cross flow cooling by opening them up.=0AFans as back up, I use small
portable fans, but planning to build a large ceiling fan.=0A-=0ASeal the
doors-to keep critters and snakes out.=0A-=0AThe rest depends on-wha
t you use your hangar for, storing aircraft or building one.=0A-=0AIf you
build one, -you never have enough power outlets, have 4 on each wall and
still not enough.=0ACompressed air system with proper 220V Compressor=0AMo
re Lights, specially above work space.=0A-=0AOther must haves:=0AChairs t
o sit on=0AFridge to keep the Beer cool=0ABBQ to burn some meat=0A-=0AHav
e fun=0A-=0AHans=0ANX15KV- =0A=0A________________________________=0A Fr
om: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>=0ATo:
pietenpol-list@matronics.com =0ASent: Thursday, December 6, 2012 9:57 AM=0A
Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar=0A =0A--> Pietenpol-List message
posted by: "Dortch, Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB" <steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
=0A=0A=0ACould I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new se
t of hangars that will be constructed this spring. =0AIt will be 40 x 32 wi
th side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar. It will have one elect
box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it. We are working on a
septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that. =0A=0AI will be like many guys.
My hangar will be worth more than my plane. =0A=0AAny advice on what to do?
IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors, etc? =0A=0ABlue Skies,=0A
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Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
Steve,
You will definitely want more outlets, you can never have enough. Also good lighting
and some sort of heat for the winters, and fans for the summer. When I
purchase my hangar it was insulated, had good HO lighting, natural gas heat, and
a bathroom. I added many more outlets, along with pull-downs from the ceiling.
I also did epoxy floor coating and added a Town-home style apartment on the
back side of the hangar. I love living at the airport and the wife does too.
My next hangar improvement will be air-conditioning for the work area of the
shop.. Today its cold and rainy with snow on the way, I can kick on the heat,
turn on the big lights and work till midnight in a t-shirt, then go in take
a shower, go up stairs turn on the TV, kiss the wife and then go to bed. Life
is good.
Brian
SLC-UT
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Subject: | Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
I want to know how do you finish the wing border (3 piece wing) aside the center
section. If you have any photos .. best. I think close it with plywood, but
it is necesary?.. I am thinking in how to cover or not this side.
thank you
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Mario Giacummo
http://vgmk1.blogspot.com
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Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
Second the motion about the lights and outlets. Never have too many. I put a
double box (2 normal house type outlets, 4 plugs total) about every 6 feet and
that is almost not enough in some places. Don't forget the 220 outlets for things
like welders, compressors, etc and the fact that the heater, if you have
one, will need its own dedicated circuit. My hangar in Maine has the tubing
in the concrete floor for radiant heat. Haven't hooked it up yet but the guys
that did the same, LOVE it. The incremental cost of the tubing was very small
in comparison to the ease of operation and efficiency.
I think current electrical code requires vapor-tight lights and they ain't cheap.
Check with your local electrician. I put 12 of the 2 tube 4 foot fixtures
in my hangar (same size as yours) and it's about right. Also have a couple cheapos
on plug in cords over the work bench. That IS enough.
Dave
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Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
You guys are making me jealous. A friend of mine asked me to do some checking to
find out what it would take to put a grass strip and hangar on land in my county.
County ordinance requires-
-50 acre minimum
-no more than one hangar and 3 airplanes - ever
-a grass strip including lateral clear space 200 feet on each side of centerline
(400 feet wide) by 2500 feet long with 400 feet of over run and underrun (at
each end) totalling 3300 linear feet. I will do the math for you- that is 30
ACRES OF RUNWAY AREA! Unbelievable for a guy wanting to put a Piet in his backyard!
And that doesn't count the restrictions from other homes. Again - unbelievable!
You guys are lucky indeed to have a hangar. I know it may not be where you live
(except Brian), but you are lucky (blessed) nonetheless to have your own hangar.
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Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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There's no such thing as too much light or too many electrical outlets. As
long as you have water and septic, might as well put in a toilet, and maybe
even a shower. You never know when the wife might turn "Loreena Bobbitt" on
you and you'll need a place to stay
Jack Phillips
NX899JP
Smith Mountain Lake, Virginia
Where for the next several months we are actually living in our hangar
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From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dortch,
Steven D MAJ MIL USA NGB
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 10:57 AM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: buying a hangar
<steven.d.dortch@us.army.mil>
Could I get some hangar advice? I have bought a hangar in a new set of
hangars that will be constructed this spring.
It will be 40 x 32 with side folding doors. Nothing fancy, just a hangar. It
will have one elect box and one plugin, It will also have water run to it.
We are working on a septic plan. Pipes will be laid for that.
I will be like many guys. My hangar will be worth more than my plane.
Any advice on what to do? IE fans, work space, electricity, sealing doors,
etc?
Blue Skies,
Steve D
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Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
One more thing.... Before you move all your crap in, paint the floor with the
good 2 part stuff. I've used Sherwin Williams on a garage and the hangar and
the only way to get it off is with a chisel. I've spilled every liquid you can
buy at Home Depot or AutoZone (MEK, dot 3 brake fluid, oil, gasoline, acetone,
toluene, etc) and nothing touches it. The trick is to get the good stuff and
it isn't cheap. I think the new name for it is Armor Seal Floorthane T-1000
or something similar. It's in the industrial catalog so you'll need to corral
the one guy who knows where to find it. Runs $100+ a gallon but you only do
it once. Prep according to the instructions or you WILL do it twice. Been
on the floor of my garage for 10 years looks as good as when I put it down.
I hope you enjoy all of us kibitzers. We do mean well....
Dave
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Subject: | Re: Wing border near the center section(covering question) |
most guys will install metal farings that can be removed for inspection purposes
or wing removal. I chose to just cover mine with fabric and call it a day.
I figure that if I ever need to remove the wings, I will just cut the fabric and
replace it later. Perhaps there are pics on the west coast Piet site. There
is a lot to see there.
Good luck,
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Scott Liefeld
Flying N11MS since March 1972
Steel Tube
C-85-12
Wire Wheels
Brodhead in 1996
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Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
Boys,
There are huge advantages to living in the "backwoods" of N.W. Tennessee. W
e do what we want with our own property. No restrictions whatsoever on putt
ing a grass strip on your own property. NO building permits required for an
ything under 5000 sq. ft. A funny story was related to me by a member of o
ur local EAA chapter. He was living in CA and wanted to move here. He calle
d the State of TN Department of Aviation with a question. "What does one ha
ve to do to put in a grass strip on his own property"?. The boy on the othe
r end said "Well,....usually they start off with a bulldozer....."
Love it here!
Dan Helsper
Puryear, TN
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From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
Sent: Thu, Dec 6, 2012 12:50 pm
Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: buying a hangar
ail.com>
You guys are making me jealous. A friend of mine asked me to do some checki
ng to
find out what it would take to put a grass strip and hangar on land in my
county. County ordinance requires-
-50 acre minimum
-no more than one hangar and 3 airplanes - ever
-a grass strip including lateral clear space 200 feet on each side of cente
rline
(400 feet wide) by 2500 feet long with 400 feet of over run and underrun (a
t
each end) totalling 3300 linear feet. I will do the math for you- that is 3
0
ACRES OF RUNWAY AREA! Unbelievable for a guy wanting to put a Piet in his
backyard!
And that doesn't count the restrictions from other homes. Again - unbelieva
ble!
You guys are lucky indeed to have a hangar. I know it may not be where you
live
(except Brian), but you are lucky (blessed) nonetheless to have your own ha
ngar.
--------
Semper Fi,
Terry Hand
Athens, GA
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Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
In nonurban Texas. 10 acres is required for a runway for my vtail. 100 ft wide
by a half mile long.
ok if it is in west Texas you can cut the width inhalf so 5 acres. but no one wants
to sell me a 50 ft wide strip of land.
----- Original Message -----
From: helspersew@aol.com
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: buying a hangar
>
> Boys,
>
> There are huge advantages to living in the "backwoods" of N.W.
> Tennessee. We do what we want with our own property. No
> restrictions whatsoever on putting a grass strip on your own
> property. NO building permits required for anything under 5000 sq.
> ft. A funny story was related to me by a member of our local EAA
> chapter. He was living in CA and wanted to move here. He called the
> State of TN Department of Aviation with a question. "What does one
> have to do to put in a grass strip on his own property"?. The boy
> on the other end said "Well,....usually they start off with a
> bulldozer....."
> Love it here!
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jarheadpilot82 <
> To: pietenpol-list <
> Sent: Thu, Dec 6, 2012 12:50 pm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: buying a hangar
>
>
>
> You guys are making me jealous. A friend of mine asked me to do some checking
to
> find out what it would take to put a grass strip and hangar on land in my
> county. County ordinance requires-
>
> -50 acre minimum
> -no more than one hangar and 3 airplanes - ever
> -a grass strip including lateral clear space 200 feet on each side of centerline
> (400 feet wide) by 2500 feet long with 400 feet of over run and underrun (at
> each end) totalling 3300 linear feet. I will do the math for you- that is 30
> ACRES OF RUNWAY AREA! Unbelievable for a guy wanting to put a Piet in his
> backyard!
>
> And that doesn't count the restrictions from other homes. Again - unbelievable!
>
> You guys are lucky indeed to have a hangar. I know it may not be where you live
> (except Brian), but you are lucky (blessed) nonetheless to have your own hangar.
>
> --------
> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=389969#389969
>
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Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
That is classic!! That is what I grew up with in Georgia. In Virginia, t
he way you start is "NO"...
Gene
On Dec 6, 2012, at 6:18 PM, helspersew@aol.com wrote:
> Boys,
>
> There are huge advantages to living in the "backwoods" of N.W. Tennessee. W
e do what we want with our own property. No restrictions whatsoever on putti
ng a grass strip on your own property. NO building permits required for anyt
hing under 5000 sq. ft. A funny story was related to me by a member of our l
ocal EAA chapter. He was living in CA and wanted to move here. He called the
State of TN Department of Aviation with a question. "What does one have to d
o to put in a grass strip on his own property"?. The boy on the other end sa
id "Well,....usually they start off with a bulldozer....."
>
> Love it here!
>
> Dan Helsper
> Puryear, TN
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jarheadpilot82 <jarheadpilot82@hotmail.com>
> To: pietenpol-list <pietenpol-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thu, Dec 6, 2012 12:50 pm
> Subject: Pietenpol-List: Re: buying a hangar
>
mail.com>
>
> You guys are making me jealous. A friend of mine asked me to do some check
ing to
> find out what it would take to put a grass strip and hangar on land in my
> county. County ordinance requires-
>
> -50 acre minimum
> -no more than one hangar and 3 airplanes - ever
> -a grass strip including lateral clear space 200 feet on each side of cent
erline
> (400 feet wide) by 2500 feet long with 400 feet of over run and underrun (
at
> each end) totalling 3300 linear feet. I will do the math for you- that is 3
0
> ACRES OF RUNWAY AREA! Unbelievable for a guy wanting to put a Piet in his
> backyard!
>
> And that doesn't count the restrictions from other homes. Again - unbeliev
able!
>
> You guys are lucky indeed to have a hangar. I know it may not be where you
live
> (except Brian), but you are lucky (blessed) nonetheless to have your own h
angar.
>
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> Semper Fi,
>
> Terry Hand
> Athens, GA
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Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
I am nearly overcome with a sudden urge to move to Tennessee.
Andrew Eldredge
Provo, UT
On Thu, Dec 6, 2012 at 5:12 PM, Gene Rambo <generambo@msn.com> wrote:
> g in the "backwoods" of N.W. Tennessee. We do what we want with our own
> property. No restrictions whatsoever on putting a grass strip on your own
> property. NO building permits required for anything under 5000 sq. ft. A
> funny story was related to me by a member of our local EAA chapter. He was
> living in CA and wanted to move here.
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Subject: | Re: Think Ahead Builders |
Hey, Dan- don't you mean the *delta* of the water temp, or is the fish scale thrust
directly proportional to the *beta* of the water temp on water-cooled engines?
do not archive
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
Steve;
You saw what Randy, Craig, and I had at 8T8. I echo most of the sentiments from
the others, and emphasize the following, if you'll only be there during fun
times and not spending whole days at a time:
-we always got grass clippings, dust, and driving rain in under the hangar doors
until we installed some hanging-down carpet strips on the bottom of the doors.
We kept some long boards handy, "weather boards", to anchor the strips to
the floor when driving storms were expected from the direction of the hangar doors.
You don't want water in your hangar.
-the hangars that adjoined ours didn't have any protection from driving rain in
under the doors of their hangars, so if it got into their hangars, it got into
ours. Good insurance to find discarded pallets to stack stuff on in case water
gets in. Water is not good for most things that we keep in hangars.
-you will never have enough plugs. I had a 25 ft. cord reel that I never installed
but it would have been very, very handy. You always need power around the
hangar.
-go vertical with stuff. Most hangars have high walls and ceilings, so go vertical
or you'll waste all the volume in the upper reaches of your hangar.
-Randy applied a nice garage floor coating on the hangar floor when he got it,
and it is great to always have a durable, clean, attractive floor. The Lowe's
type stuff goes on pretty easy. If the floor is handsome, you'll tend to keep
the place cleaner.
-you can never have too much light in a hangar, but it will never be in the right
place ;o)
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Oscar Zuniga
Medford, OR
Air Camper NX41CC "Scout"
A75 power
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Subject: | forming u shaped brackets |
I've experienced some frustration tonight in forming the u shaped brackets
which hold the center section. I cannot get enough bend in the second bend
to make it work - the jaws of my bender only give me about a 10 deg bend a
fter the first 90 deg part is formed (hope that makes sense). I tried plac
ing the remainder in a vice with radiused jaws and pounding it over but as
close as I get=2C I'm not happy with the result. The bend is just too loos
e. Any suggestions?
Tom B.
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Subject: | Re: buying a hangar |
To the original poster: Whatever you do, don=99t buy the whole
field. Just buy the hangar if you want to have time to build and fly.
If you end up with the whole field, you may find that you become less an
aviator, and more an agriculturalist. Be careful, I speak from
experience.
Gene: That=99s because you live on the wrong side of the
mountain! Out here in the Shenandoah Valley, we still have a few
freedoms (at least until the city folks find out).
Brett Phillips
Working on a model A in Strasburg, VA, about 15 miles east of West By
God Virginia.
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Gene
Rambo
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 7:13 PM
Subject: Re: Pietenpol-List: Re: buying a hangar
That is classic!! That is what I grew up with in Georgia. In
Virginia, the way you start is "NO"...
Gene
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Subject: | Re: forming u shaped brackets |
Steel bar stock is your friend.
Bar stock, a little clamping creativity and a soft-faced, dead blow
hammer is a low cost way bend metal.
Greg Cardinal
----- Original Message -----
From: TOM MICHELLE BRANT
To: pietenpol-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 8:00 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: forming u shaped brackets
I've experienced some frustration tonight in forming the u shaped
brackets which hold the center section. I cannot get enough bend in the
second bend to make it work - the jaws of my bender only give me about a
10 deg bend after the first 90 deg part is formed (hope that makes
sense). I tried placing the remainder in a vice with radiused jaws and
pounding it over but as close as I get, I'm not happy with the result.
The bend is just too loose. Any suggestions?
Tom B.
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Subject: | forming u shaped brackets |
Tom
Like Greg said, find two pieces of bar stock . I used some 1/4 inch x 1.5
inch x 6 inch bar scrap I found at a local metal dealer (much cheaper than
Home Depot Aircraft Supply). Clamp one end in the vice and use big C clamp
on the other end to clamp the piece between them. Then bend the steel
fitting. It might twist while beating so just reset it in the vice. I
didn't have a soft hammer so I used a block of hardwood between the hammer
and the steel.
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
_____
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM MICHELLE
BRANT
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 6:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: forming u shaped brackets
I've experienced some frustration tonight in forming the u shaped brackets
which hold the center section. I cannot get enough bend in the second bend
to make it work - the jaws of my bender only give me about a 10 deg bend
after the first 90 deg part is formed (hope that makes sense). I tried
placing the remainder in a vice with radiused jaws and pounding it over but
as close as I get, I'm not happy with the result. The bend is just too
loose. Any suggestions?
Tom B.
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Subject: | forming u shaped brackets |
I had to make some "U" bends in .090 4130 for some aileron hinges on the Ju
ngster 1 I am building, and they were a pain in the butt.- They were made
out of 2 in strips, and the short leg was only 1 inch, and long leg about
2.5 in deep.- I went to the hardware store and bought 1 inch keystock, I
radiused the corners and used the key stock as a male die.- I cut the bla
nks a little long, and pressed with my bottle jack press, the key stock bet
ween a female die made of oak boards.- This was a pretty good way of bend
ing the steel, it was bent cold.- I still had to do a little bit of finis
hing with a hammer and vise to get the bottom of the "U" flat.- I did hav
e 2 or 3 oh $h1T moments when the key stock flew across the shop at mach 2
when it slipped out of the press under 20 tons of force, but luckily it did
not hit me or the airplane.- It might be easier just to heat the steel a
nd bend it, but I think I read some where that bending while red hot can
fracture the grain of the metal.- Hope this helps, even if only an exsam
ple of what can happen.
-
Shad
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Tom
-
Like Greg said, find two pieces of bar stock .--- I used some 1/4 inc
h x-1.5 inch x 6 inch bar scrap I found at a local metal dealer (much che
aper than Home Depot Aircraft Supply).- Clamp one end in the vice and use
big C clamp on the other end-to clamp the piece between them. Then bend
the steel fitting. It might twist while beating so just reset it in the vic
e.- I didn't have a soft hammer so I used-a block of hardwood between t
he hammer and the steel.
-
Chris
Sacramento, Ca
Westcoastpiet.com
From: owner-pietenpol-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-pietenpol-lis
t-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of TOM MICHELLE BRANT
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2012 6:01 PM
Subject: Pietenpol-List: forming u shaped brackets
I've experienced some frustration tonight in forming the u shaped brackets
which hold the center section.- I cannot get enough bend in the second be
nd to make it work - the jaws of my bender only give me about a 10 deg bend
after the first 90 deg part is formed (hope that makes sense).- I tried
placing the remainder in a vice with radiused jaws and pounding it over but
as close as I get, I'm not happy with the result.- The bend is just too
loose.- Any suggestions?
Tom B.
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Damp n' plaster! Cheese and crackers got
all muddy!
Try that really fast and watch for reactions. :-)
My Mom's favourite. Now it falls to me to
carry on the Family Tradition. :-)
My daughters grew up with more than enough sailor
style invective to fill a dictionary. They're 36 and
27 now and have never repeated a single word of
any of it. It's all just words to them. Words have
only the power you invest in them or convince
others they have.
Clif
Against the assaultof laughter nothing
can stand. Mark Twain
> I do not curse in the house, Never have. I try to save cursing for a time
> when it is appropriate, IE when I slam my finger in a door. Or when I am
> commenting on another drivers parentage.
>
She said "ignore it and maybe he will forget it." Sure enough he is now 12
and we have not heard it since. At least he does not say it around us.
Blue Skies,
> Steve D
>> The proper application of language by children is an important milestone
>> in the developmental skills of social development.
>> Well done
>> John
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